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14 Oct 2026 18:49:37
Martinez
Who could disagree with what he said about the hierarchy? He is right, we have been lied to since the Glazers arrived, SAF didn’t help because he won and failed to build for the future. This summer was an utter disgrace and yet not everyone agreed. I bet if i go back to where I said Tielemans and Santos were not the right choice, there will be some telling me how good they were. They were bargains, bargain basement buys. No LB or CF a disgrace but now when Martinez effectively says that some players are not good enough , its great.
The team leak yesterday showed there are issues in the players confidence, confidence lost not just with Wilcox but in the team selection, the tactics.
He has certainly chucked the likes of Wilkins and even Berrada under the bus. After what happened with Amorim i have no time for Wilcox at all.
However, Martinez has also chucked other players under the bus, the message is some of you are not good enough. Yes he is right but to come out like that will cause dressing room issues. It certainly will bring things to a head between players. It probably explains why they haven’t been trying hard enough. The players don’t believe in what has been happening; they dont believe there is an aim to win the big prizes. Neither do we.
People have tried to make out it helps Carrick. It certainly doesnt. Basically it shows Martinez doesn't have a high level of respect for Carrick. He would never have dared do that with a serious manager in place. By implication he includes Carrick in the issue.
Yes Martinez is right and there will be some notable fallout. Likely he will be initially suspended and then sold. But it brings it to the fore now. Lets hope they deal with it, dont brush it under the carpet. Thing is, it is now almost open warfare now, the fans hold the same opinion as Martinez. It cannot seriously be ignored.
If Wilcox and Carrick are not gone by weekend, then its just another fudge. Berrarda can wait.
14 Oct 2026 18:59:01
Carrick will be gone before Christmas, but Wilcox won't. He has Ratcliffe's ear and has convinced him that they can get success on the cheap. INEOS have shown what they're about in France. Cutting everywhere they can, and blaming managers and players when it doesn't work.
14 Oct 2026 19:11:16
Wilcox going nowhere according to Simon stone. Carrick will be offered up in the coming weeks and the blame all shifted to him. We'll then get someone new in, make big promises but again fail to deliver. The man united cycle everyone. Unless the ownership changes we will still be here 20 years from now. It's depressing!
14 Oct 2026 19:42:13
We all know Wilcox has to go. Don't let journalists with self interest convince you that anything else will happen.
Wilcox out.
New director of football can fix the rest.
I don't trust Wilcox to make any more key decisions. Simple as that.
14 Oct 2026 19:58:31
Or maybe Carrick is happy with the outburst because it might compel the owners to actually buy him defensive reinforcements and a striker
As others including pundits have said it doesn't matter who is the manager if he has not got the right resources to use. I fully expect Wilcox to survive.
Carrick too in the short term if reinforcements are brought in because if the team fails to perform after new blood he will then be a scapegoat with no way to go but out the door
14 Oct 2026 16:37:50
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14 Oct 2026 16:13:54
Nothing will change until United fans start voting with their wallets.
Stop buying the merchandise. Give up TV subscriptions. It's a terrible ask, but consider not renewing season tickets.
This club is no longer one that deserves our support. It's not Man United any more. I'd take relegation any day if it got rid of the Glazer/Ratcliffe axis.
Loyalty is a 2 way street. Right now it's only running from our bank accounts to those of the billionaires who are raping the club.
14 Oct 2026 17:36:19
Won't make a scrap of difference unfortunately. Because give up season ticket someone else will take, there is a waiting list.
Most clubs the same nowadays, they are business first, football club last.
14 Oct 2026 18:27:52
If the club continues like this maybe there won't be a waiting list and certainly not enough to fill a100, 000 seat stadium.
14 Oct 2026 11:12:22
Funny how football is supposedly "all about the fans" whenever a pundit or ex-pro wants to give us a sentimental speech about the match going supporters.
Now Martinez has come out and said what a lot of United fans have been saying for YEARS, and suddenly he's out of order, disrespecting his teammates and should have kept it behind closed doors.
For those who haven't seen the interview, here are a few of his comments after the Atletico Madrid defeat.
"I expect more from our technical director." Calling out Jason Wilcox.
"We expect more from the top, from upstairs, to bring in more players to compete."
"You can't keep changing, changing, changing the manager. What about other areas? "
He also questioned whether the manager had been backed sufficiently and pointed out that the club's problems go beyond the coach and players.
Now, you can debate whether a player should say those things publicly, whether the timing was right, or whether Martinez has performed well enough himself. That's fair enough.
But what makes me laugh is these are EXACTLY the sorts of things a number of people on this page have been saying for months, if not years. We've questioned the hierarchy, recruitment, lack of planning and the constant tendency to make the manager the fall guy while the people above him carry on regardless.
And what happens? Criticism for not calling out managers, accusations of making excuses, and lectures about accountability.
Yet now certain individuals are praising Martinez for essentially saying the same things they've been criticising fans for saying.
Apparently, when a fan says the hierarchy is a problem, they're making excuses for the manager.
When a player says the hierarchy is a problem, he's showing passion, ambition and a desire to see the club succeed.
Same argument. Same problems. Different messenger.
And let's not forget the pundits who spent years telling us that fans should be listened to because football is for the fans. Funny how quickly that principle disappears when someone actually challenges the people running their beloved club.
Wayne Rooney reckons Martinez has gone too far, while Jamie Carragher has called the comments awful. Both are entitled to their opinions, of course. But it's interesting how quickly the focus shifts to how the message was delivered rather than whether there's some truth in what he's saying.
Welcome to the conversation, lads. Some of us have been having it for years while being told we're talking rubbish.
14 Oct 2026 11:39:28
Martinez has been reading my posts over summer.
14 Oct 2026 12:36:22
At least Martinez has shown that he has a pair. I loved his interview. It was a brutally, honest interview.
14 Oct 2026 12:49:12
I thought it was awesome.
14 Oct 2026 13:06:35
Where are the fans who wanted him out of the club after the Falklands banner incident? Where are they all now?
14 Oct 2026 13:33:48
People seem to forget Roy Keane used to do exactly this, calling out teammates and questioning the club's ambition whenever we lost a big game.
Think about it from the players' side. They worked themselves into the ground last season to finish 3rd. They were told to expect backing this summer to actually push for the title. Instead, they're watching mates at other clubs compete for the league and the Champions League year after year while we're stuck treading water.
Players who gave everything for this club last season have every right to be asking serious questions of SJR and the Glazers. Martinez saying it out loud doesn't make him wrong; it just makes him one of the few actually willing to say it how it is.
14 Oct 2026 14:11:40
I thought the criticism was rich coming from Rooney when he did the exact same thing. Calling out the club for not bringing in enough quality.
My take is that Martinez spent the summer playing in a very good Argentina side. He came back to a United side that is obviously not up to this level. This is compounded by the club talking about being on the brink of challenging for titles.
The people running things are piling pressure on the manager and players to deliver. But they're not providing the funds required to do this. I completely understand the frustration. The squad massively over performed last season in finishing third. Instead of rewarding this, the club hierarchy has hung them out to dry. Leaving Carrick with a squad incapable of doing what the club has promised to do.
The club needs to be honest. If the ambition is to win trophies, there needs to be investment to back it up. If the goal is to keep costs low and hope for champions league, say this. Don't send a mid table squad and manager out with the pretence that were a big club.
14 Oct 2026 14:12:54
There is a difference between fans saying it online or down the pub and a player saying it publicly.
What he said is a personal opinion, some people will agree others won't.
The issue is that he has publicly spoken which will cause the club problems. In any walk of life if you make a negative public comment about your employer, especially one that damages the employers reputation, then you'll be reprimanded accordingly.
It's not professional, even if you agree with him, and I certainly agree with aspects of what he is saying, it was not a smart or the right choice to say it.
14 Oct 2026 14:15:20
I wanted to sell Martinez in the summer. He has 1 year left on his contract. He was linked with a £35 million move to other clubs. Given his injury record and consequently, a lack of availability it was a no-brainer for me.
That aside, I do like Martinez, he is a fighter. His interview was fantastic. As a fan I both applaud and thank him. He could have continued to get paid and say nothing.
14 Oct 2026 14:40:56
He also said, we done well last season but have not changed and other teams get to know what your going to do that's calling out Carrick in my book
I think Martinez is useless as CB in EPL and said it for ages plus he been awful this season and I have no problem if that was his last ever game for United, he won't be a miss.
But glad he said it, it needed to come out, I expect he will trot out an apology in couple of days. emotion, lost in translation BS but hopefully made SJR ears person up a little and realise he is grinding this club into the ground with this level of penny pinching, buying inferior players and appointing inferior staff all over the club.
14 Oct 2026 14:48:09
Is it professional for the person running the club to publicly announce that the club aims to win the EPL by 2028, while knowing that the funds required to achieve are not available?
To me, there seems to be a fundamental friction between the expectations the club hierarchy is creating, and the reality the manager and players are faced with. As I've said, the players feel like they've been hung out to dry by a club that promises the moon, but delivers scraps. They've every right to be angry about this, and voicing this publicly is no less professional than the blatant lies trotted out by the higher ups every year.
14 Oct 2026 15:22:18
The biggest concern is a significant amount of posters here could foresee this season would be a disaster, but the "elite, footballing" people at the top could not. And if they were to sack him, would probably look to someone equally as useless as Howe.
Bad times ahead.
14 Oct 2026 16:06:45
If only he did complain about all these things last season when we were winning. When all metrics and running statistics went down. It could make a lot of good to the club to not think we are not on right path because of some wins, even if we played badly, terrible. But in his mind (as he said in the press) we had a fantastic season.
But everyone who follows metrics knew what we all see, was coming if we didn't improve massively. You can't expect every metric and running stat to go down and keep winning. But football fans doesn't care about that.
14 Oct 2026 16:40:16
The club is trash and its the main guys that have ruined the club by takin under the table payments from citys sheikhs and ruined the club and that's why fergie and Gill left they knew something fiajy was happening!
14 Oct 2026 09:23:50
I don't think anyone expected anything other than a Madrid win last night. Our expectations have sropped so much. The ref wasn't the best, but think their disallowed goal was a bad mistake along with the sending off. The midfield looked much stronger with Baleba in there, though Santos played very well too. I saw a glimpse of what the right 11 could do. Think its time to get a settled pairings and formation. Yoro and Martinez at CB Baleba, Mainoo and 1 of Santos or Mount in midfield 3.
l'd play Cuhuna and Mbeumo for their aggression and drive. We need passion on the pitch. Bruno looks way off it at the moment (rumours he carrying a knock) so rotate him and Tilemans. 3 workers in midfield is now required until we get a solid back 4 playing well. Thought we recovered well after conceding so early and before the sending off we were pushing for an equaliser. Huge game in the league Sunday,
14 Oct 2026 09:33:48
I can't understand why Bruno carrying a injury t and way off the pace not only starts but plays every minute of every game. Tieliemans has also started every game and also has looked tired.
14 Oct 2026 11:21:54
Shout out to heaven, he looked fine at Lb. Much rather see him than dorgu or maz there.
14 Oct 2026 14:17:09
Rohan,
Heaven played well at LB. He looked quite comfortable playing as a LB. Both him amd Yoro need more minutes to aide their development.
14 Oct 2026 14:44:57
Yes Redcon, that team would be able to battle it out for top 10
Yoro who is weak and Martinez an idiot who is also a midget at CB
Heaven left back who switches off at CB will get roasted at FB
As for Tielemans at 10 and a midfield of glass man Mount and a Chelsea squad player being our midfield
Cunha who got what this season 1 assist
Lammens who been really poor all season, we would be lucky to get 10th.
13 Oct 2026 22:48:12
No doubt they'll show how ruthless they are with Martinez now; as they were with cutting payments for ex players.
Reminds me of Berrada saying they'll be ruthless when it comes to getting rid of players who don't perform and their still all here 😂😂😂😂
Hope, but extremely unlikely, more players come forward and speak out against the vermin in charge.
14 Oct 2026 01:41:49
This will cost Martinez a few weeks wages. I doubt anybody else will be stupid enough to call out the club's hierarchy in a post-match presser.
14 Oct 2026 04:00:17
Poor CB but I admire his honesty not only calling out the board but also stating the problem when you don't change and just play same way as previous season, others managers ain't stupid and just know how you play and stop it, so here goes your season, that's on Carrick and coaches and there lack of experience .
With players they got although none are great they should be doing better. That's on Carrick.
14 Oct 2026 06:02:40
Well said Licha!
13 Oct 2026 23:02:09
Lisandro martinez 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻.
13 Oct 2026 23:08:07
I don't think I've ever heard a player call out an individual above him before. Fair play to him. Generally players and especially managers only throw grenades like this when they want to be moved on.
13 Oct 2026 23:23:03
Gone in January guaranteed. Wilcox et all won't appreciate being called out so will get rid. Might also speed up the inevitable departure of carrick need to divert the blame and douse the flames so what better way than to sacrifice someone else.
13 Oct 2026 23:28:56
Well perhaps his last game for us. Maguire will be happy because with a fit MDL he will still likely get a game. Which is woeful for us longer term
What the fans should do now is show visually and vocally that they agree with Lisandro.
13 Oct 2026 23:33:59
Oh to be a fly on the wall tomorrow!!
13 Oct 2026 23:53:26
We've gone into the champions league to just pocket the money, the owners have not created a squad to compete. They have no ambition. They do not care.
14 Oct 2026 00:03:56
A fly on the wall or a member of Amazon's camera crew 🤣🤣.
14 Oct 2026 00:54:31
He's not wrong. The irony is, though, that one of the main areas that we need to invest in is a replacement for him.
Difficult to see how he can ever play for us again after this. Even if Wilcox goes (here's hoping), I don't think you can come back from publicly calling for somebody within the club to be axed, whether that be a fellow player, a manager, or a board member.
Then again, he seems like the kind of player that Conte would like.
14 Oct 2026 04:04:38
Red listen to the interview he is virtually blaming Carrick too, Carrick sets the system not Wilcox, he said they play exactly same again this season and you need to change, we didn't that's on Carrick and coaches but he also called out the Top.
SJR will again not do nothing because he is one of the culprits
Least a poor CB won't play again so one result, but admire his honesty.
14 Oct 2026 06:55:03
Twenty
I spent all summer saying that.
Carrick and Wilcox should have their P45 in hand this morning.
13 Oct 2026 22:15:18
It's not hard to see why we are where we are our manager looks like a sub teacher, he doesn't know the curriculum, has no affinity with the pupils and is just happy to be getting paid.
And our captain resembles a stroppy 3 year old who's been told he can't get that toy he wants, moping, whining and stomping his feet. No leadership from either and it shows big time.
13 Oct 2026 22:31:42
The Martinez interview was the most entertaining part tonight. Fair play to him. He hit the nail on the head.
13 Oct 2026 22:56:13
Licha was rumoured to want to go to Barca during the summer and was turned down because Wilcox wanted to spend all the funds on midfield.
Sounds like Licha has now called him out and is forcing United hand into selling him.
Have to say he is right on Wilcox though, he should go before Carrick. Berrada can do one as well with the Glazers and the Rat. Not sure there is anybody likeable at our club anymore.
13 Oct 2026 23:58:18
I don't like what licha said in public, its not his job. The very same i said about Onana "schooling" Maguire.
Being right or wrong doesn't matter, it is simply not his job and the timing i don't think is right after a decent performance-unless you think you can go at Atleti and batter them.
You did our best and lost in details.
Players must take responsibilities for their performances instead to call others off. So Martinezs problem is that Ineos didn't bring players of his quality; What quality; He is the first to shown the door.
14 Oct 2026 00:15:31
Totally disagree
This is the best thing a United player has done for us in years.
We can't hide anymore. Someone had to call them out so something can be done.
Martinez coming out shows how much he actually cares about the club.
Why should the incompetence be hidden and if anything, it should have been carrick calling them out but the yes man is scared he'll lose his job.
My club comes first as this is the only way we can get the toxic people out of our club.
14 Oct 2026 00:23:56
I disagree that he cares so much. And i totally disagree that this is the proper way and the right timing.
Licha knew very well what he must said. Overnight he went from zero to hero. He should take care of his form because he plays like a championship level player.
14 Oct 2026 00:59:16
I agree with Heaven. This is basically just what Ronaldo did a few years ago, only from an inferior player whose presence in the squad is actively contributing to the mediocrity that he's complaining about.
14 Oct 2026 01:08:11
No it wasn't right to do it but boy it's good!. He will cop the abuse for doing it but it is perfect that he did!
14 Oct 2026 04:08:02
I think most damning part of his interview is saying that every season you have to change and play different otherwise others know exactly how to play you that's on Carrick and the Coaches, who Martinez must know just not good enough, you can't blame Wilcox for style of play,
14 Oct 2026 06:14:30
JSU
Except Wilcox told Amorim how to play which started the end of him.
14 Oct 2026 14:48:25
He may have done that to RA but as a manager just come out in an interview and say to let the supporters know I want to play this way but am being told I can't and have to play how Wilcox wants that will stop all that crap in 5 mins.
Not like the average person who can't jeopardise there job, Carrick is a multi millionaire, so if that's happening show some balls.
13 Oct 2026 22:20:43
Predictions for Leeds.
14 Oct 2026 06:06:45
Cold and depressing.
14 Oct 2026 07:34:34
It is the only winnable fixture, but even that is a stretch with CATW!! Mr 22.2%.
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