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12 Feb 2026 16:57:26
The Evolution of Old Trafford. Survived the world war š£ and all.
The Evolution of Old Trafford. Survived the world war š£ and all ā¤ļø pic.twitter.com/Iv4bAwFqas
— United & Everything Football (@UEF_Podcast) February 12, 2026
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12 Feb 2026 21:55:13
I don't think the surrounding area is right. We used to have a foundry and engineering shop on Trafford Park Road. I was there every working day for 7-8 years, albeit I'm now a senile old geyser whose memory may be shot. Something looks back to front.
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13 Feb 2026 05:07:20
I think it's AI generated, newname. So it wouldn't be accurate.
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13 Feb 2026 07:47:30
It is AI-generated.
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12 Feb 2026 15:42:18
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12 Feb 2026 14:39:34
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12 Feb 2026 09:39:36
Seems Tommy Tuchel is about to sign an extension with England so we can rule him out as next head coach.
So whoās it going to be?
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12 Feb 2026 10:04:52
Seems a bit prudent. I'd wait until after the penalties at least.
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12 Feb 2026 10:12:24
I think that come the summer the real top names will be off the table, Tuchel gone, Enrique talking with PSG about extending. Depending on how Nagelsman does with Germany he could be available but would have to wait deep into the summer which is not ideal.
Likely we will be looking at the next level of managers who all come with an element of risk.
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12 Feb 2026 11:05:24
It's going to be Carrick if he does a good job.
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12 Feb 2026 12:10:32
Yh with each manager that gets ruled out over the next couple of months, all roads will point to carrick, unless we implode this season and end up 6/7th.
Side note on Tuchel, that interview he had in 2024 must have been a car crash from the clubs side, he seems actively not interested in joining us, Ineos/British Cycling must have come across really poorly.
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12 Feb 2026 13:55:16
Come June I think ancelloti and naglesman could be off the table aswell nothing suggests there going to leave there jobs with Germany and Brazil.
Tuchel has signed a new deal so he off
Luis Enrique I can either see him staying at PSG or going to city.
Xabi Alonso is most likely going to Liverpool
I think our options could be very limited and leave a pool of
Glasner
Carrick
De zebri
Iraola
While they are all decent managers none of them inspire confidence for me
Glasner and de zebri create problems every where they go with the board and players we've sacked or last 2 managers who had these problems.
So what's that leave
Carrick and iraola maybe and outside shout for conte although he seems happy back in Italy at napoli.
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12 Feb 2026 15:51:03
Deschamp will be returning to club football as well, but I suspect Carrick will get us into the CL and will get the gig for a few years, hopefully if he does then the current coaching set up also stays.
If/ when it falls apart I think Southgate will eventually happen.
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12 Feb 2026 20:55:26
Itās a decent point Grim. Canāt discount Southgate at this stage.
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12 Feb 2026 09:31:01
Tuchel not going to be an option then if you believe todayās reports. Least it gives clarity good and early if that was the route we were heading down.
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12 Feb 2026 13:37:05
Yes it is better to know early one way or the other.
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12 Feb 2026 09:04:07
Being widely reported that Tuchel is to extend his England contract to 2028. That will disappoint those here who want him as our next manager. Personally, I'm pleased.
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12 Feb 2026 10:04:56
Im pleased too.
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12 Feb 2026 12:15:17
Yeah I am happy with that too.
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12 Feb 2026 12:18:17
What are people's thoughts on what our strategy should be for a new manager? If we look at Cuty's roadmap, they went for Mancini and Pellegrini before graduating to elite and hiring pep.
So both Mancini and Pellegrini brought a culture, play style and success and then Pep has built on that.
I personally think its a ridiculous ask to actively seek some kind of SMB and SAF characters. They're bi-generational managers.
Id prefer proven like those two pre-pep managers
My top 3 would be.
1.Ancellotti
2.Mancini (amazed this has never cropped up, he's a transformation manager)
3. Conte
They are not up and coming, they're serial winners. All match the gravitas of the club with only Conte being the outlier in being a little fiery.
Thoughts?
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12 Feb 2026 18:31:39
What about McKenna.
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11 Feb 2026 18:33:14
Just when I start to feel a bit of pride again in our club, 'ole Jim has to come out with his stupid comments. I hate that he ever came to us.
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11 Feb 2026 19:40:23
Hes a disgusting c-unit, who moved to Monaco to not pay tax, utter rat. Typical billionaire bull, look poor man, that foreigner is taking your cookie, whilst he hoards 1000's!
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11 Feb 2026 20:25:00
All those immigrants coming over scoring goals for us.
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11 Feb 2026 21:32:03
Many immigrants in Monaco?
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11 Feb 2026 22:09:58
The problems that billionaires have to cope withā¦hard times!
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11 Feb 2026 22:12:14
Heās good with figures! 58, million in 2020? Gone up 12 million in the last five years? Slightly off there Sir Jim!
I wonder what he paid off ETH and Rubin? No wonder weāre skint!
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12 Feb 2026 08:07:40
So, are you suggesting that immigration ISN'T out of control?
I've no desire to get involved in any political argument here, but I think he made a good point and that he wasn't talking about his own wealth but about the country's wealth. I believe he was pointing out that the current.
and increasing levels of benefits expenditure are unsustainable. In that, I consider he's very much correct.
That said, I have only seen a snippet of the interview and may have missed your point and be off the mark.
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{Ed001's Note - have you thought that if he actually paid his taxes, expenditure wouldn't be out of control? Rich prick points the finger at immigrants to avoid admitting it his actually his fault is what happened there. Immigration isn't out of control, it has lowered in recent years, but that doesn't suit racist rhetoric.}
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12 Feb 2026 08:58:11
Racist?! Behave! I'm talking specifically about the illegal immigrants arriving by boat across the channel. I do NOT see the vast majority of those as 'asylum seekers'. I see them very much as a Trojan Horse invasion that is going to destroy this country. Absolutely nothing racist about my attitude, but it seems easy to lob the old racist card into a discussion!
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{Ed001's Note - funny, I never said you were racist, but your reaction tells its own story.}
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12 Feb 2026 09:08:11
You can have a nuanced argument about how much immigration has taken place in the UK, most definitely. From 2020 it seems to have gone to unsustainable levels, all parties agree on that tbf.
Jims comments however come over as misinformed and hyperbolic when he uses phrases like ācolonisedā. Also once you factor in the tax point and him living, for sensible reasons in Monaco, he looks hypocritical.
Combined with the fact that Man United is supposed to be an institution in the country, would expect the supposed figurehead to speak more carefully.
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12 Feb 2026 09:17:35
Fizz,
Donāt want to get into a political debate, but please take a step back, do your own reading about why the expenditure and economy are failing. Itās such a lazy narrative to blame that on immigrants and what the rich people would love you to believe, it doesnāt take too much to step back and see itās nonsense, but most are just willing to believe what the rich people tell them. If you do your own research and come up with the same answer then thatās fine, and you may have already done that, but as the Ed says, think why the rich people want you to believe itās immigrants fault.
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12 Feb 2026 09:37:16
Just when you thought you couldnāt dislike our owners any more, Jim chimes in and says hold my beer!
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12 Feb 2026 10:12:26
I see the owner of betfred was the highest payer of personal tax in uk in2025 @330m and the 3rd biggest was the last that owns a large chunk of bet 365.
1. It shows how stupid people are to lose so much gambling
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How much tax the wealthy do pay if they are resorted for tax in the uk.
Taxation is one if the least fair responsibilities today.
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12 Feb 2026 10:14:42
Ed001. No, it doesn't tell its own 'story' at all. If you knew anything at all about me or what I'm about, you would understand that it is impossible to label me as racist. The fact that your post is directly below mine and appears to be responding to my post led me to believe you were indeed pasting that label on me. Dropping the race bomb is simply a cheap shot aimed below the belt.
GDS2. If you read my post, you will see that I'm not being led by the nose by rich folk.
I am referring specifically to the thousands of illegal immigrants crossing the channel and the ongoing expenditure of housing, feeding, health care, legal fees, etc. I also made it clear that I had not viewed the entire interview, nor did I suggest a liking or not for SJR. I have nothing to 'step back' from.
I should have trusted my first instinct and avoided this thread like the plague. I shall do that now.
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{Ed001's Note - ok mate, of course.}
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12 Feb 2026 11:06:05
Imagine living in Great Britain, the biggest colonizer of history and then having the audacity to complain about immigration. Humanity is bigger than football. Now having said that, illegal immigration, the one where people have no plans to work but scrounge is wrong and needs to be stopped.
Without immigrants, our NHS would stop in a heart beat and our taxi system would grind to a halt (to name a few) .
Ratboy lives in Monaco and has the audacity to complain about immigrants lol.
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12 Feb 2026 11:08:53
šæšæšæšæ ššš
Bloody foreigners!
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12 Feb 2026 11:18:38
Since Brexit, and us leaving the Dublin convention, the number of ā boat peopleā coming across the channel has quadrupled, because they couldnāt then be sent back. Hope you didnāt vote for that Fizz!
By the way, Iām an immigrant and I came across on a boat! And, Iāve been paying taxes for 60 years!
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12 Feb 2026 12:27:41
Net migration is likely to be in a negative by the summer. I wonder what Nigel and his cronies will have to talk about then. Labour are sorting immigration, once they do the narrative around them āshouldā change, but with our media run by the rich, itās important to get your information from a wide range of sources.
Farage has come out and backed the Ratās comments, if youāre not a billionaire and youāre thinking of voting for him this should tell you all you need to know.
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12 Feb 2026 13:31:37
Brexit - and in particular the extreme interpretation of it that has been adopted - is a far bigger drain on the UK economy than anything Jim spoke about. The worst case economic forecasts of its impacts are actually very close to what's happening. The UK clearly needs to re-establish relations with Europe. That can all be true and not imply that wanting to have more control of borders is racist. Control though is often launched on with language like "close the borders" or "invasion" or by automatically linking societal issues with immigrants.
That is racist (or more precisely it is xenophobic) unless there is evidence behind it. For instance data shows that immigrants are net contributors and proportionally commit fewer crimes. But wanting to ensure the rate of population growth is managed so that services can scale accordingly etc is all fair. I think Jim Ratcliffe has veered towards xenophobia here but as Fizz said that does not negate all his points.
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12 Feb 2026 13:42:43
The man who lives in a tax haven to avoid paying his fair dues, who has seen his individual wealth skyrocket over the past few decades, and has taken his companies out of the UK to avoid paying tax, is actually not the problem.
No, the real problem is immigrants because they are the ones responsible for lack of state revenue, the cost of living crisis, below inflation wages, and housing shortages.
This has nothing to do with the persistent concentration of wealth in a ever narrowing percentage of the global population, and everything to do with bloody immigrants.
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12 Feb 2026 14:12:31
Not a big shock this is how Brexit Jim thinks.
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12 Feb 2026 14:59:51
Hes a moron and every day i dislike him even more. He doesn't know his ancestors were romainians!
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12 Feb 2026 15:25:57
Patrick, by the way, my father is also an immigrant, and he too came across on a boat! He served this country and has been paying taxes for longer than 60 years.
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12 Feb 2026 17:44:36
Weāre all immigrants Fizz! I think you should let your father retire!
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12 Feb 2026 17:58:42
Danny, immigrants are not responsible for lack of state revenue. They, in the long term, contribute more in taxation than they do in claiming benefits.
Housing shortage? Thatcher selling off council houses anything to do with it? Successive governments not fulfilling building targets?
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12 Feb 2026 19:15:02
Patrick, tax is paid on pension.
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12 Feb 2026 19:28:45
Get the Saudis in, least they've got nothing dodgy about them.
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12 Feb 2026 20:33:36
Wow!
What a thread to walk into first thing in the morning! Calm down people.
NHS would stop in a heartbeat - gold!
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12 Feb 2026 22:02:28
Keefy- canāt tell if thatās sarcasm or you agree with my comment re:NHS.
If you agree - fair.
If you disagree youāre entitled to. However unless you work on the frontline as I do and have knowledge about the ethnicity of staff then Iād be happily engage in convo.
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13 Feb 2026 05:14:13
Don't the Rat's companies also receive handouts from the government that are being paid for by taxpayers as well? So not only does he not pay taxes, he actively takes money out for his own benefit as well.
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13 Feb 2026 08:47:22
Fizz, may your father continue to pay taxes for many more years. Did he hail from the Emerald Isle?
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13 Feb 2026 09:00:31
I was loving the NHS and heartbeat link. Calm down!
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13 Feb 2026 09:12:31
But for what itās worth I do agree.
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11 Feb 2026 11:41:02
Morning from a long way away
I managed to watch the game with no sound due to the poor coverage here. The WiFi stinks.
Slow cumbersome with little idea on how to deal with the low block. Disappointed in that and also same team selection. No freshening up. Surely they knew West Ham would sit deep so Sesko should have been more prominent in selection, either starting or coming on earlier. No real speed or fizz in our passing, didnāt move them out of position. Mainoo lost his man for their goal, Lammens and Yoro did well to give us the chance of a point. Why didnāt Amad shoot right at the end?
Right here is a thing, from memory we have had 5 extremely marginal offside decisions go against us in the last 5 games. The third goal against City was in my opinion almost criminal, there was a discrepancy in the photo and the VAR image, the body shape didnāt look the same. Last night the call against Cas looked ridiculously minute. There was an excuse given weeks ago for a Liverpool goal of a built in 5cm allowance, where has that gone? No mention of it since. Why are United not questioning the PGMOL on the consistency and accuracy of VAR? Are the images exactly matching at the exact correct moment of impact on the pass? Does the photo exactly match the body shape? VAR looks unreliable and frankly biased to me on that basis. Is there any independent technical checking of VAR? What detail is there of the 5cm allowance or did they just make that up?
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11 Feb 2026 13:43:37
The VAR problem is refs abdicating accountability. Itās easier for them to let the technology make the decision than take responsibility for it. Last night was a prime example.
The offside rule is in place to ensure fair competition between attackers and defenders. If the attacker is way in front of the defensive line, they have an unfair advantage. Casemiro was inline with the defender in every practical sense. His knee or toe being in front of the defensive line gives him no material advantage. He just got on the end of the cross ahead of the defender.
Implemented as a tool to help refs make better decisions, the VAR official would explain the specifics of the situation, and the ref could use this to determine if the attacker had a material advantage - i. e. make a decision guided by the spirit of the game. Instead, the ref is told if any fragment of the attackerās body is beyond the defensive line, and thatās the decision.
The bottom line is that the technology isnāt inherently bad, more that the level of officiating is, and refs prefer to allow VAR to make bad decisions than to use it to help them make better ones.
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11 Feb 2026 13:45:18
My issue with VAR is how itās positioned. Itās looking for any reason, however minute that is, to disallow a goal, and not why a goal should stand. Every goal we score Iām waiting for it to be chalked off. Itās not great entertainment.
As for last night, low blocks have been our issue for years. Wonāt be solved in one game.
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11 Feb 2026 13:59:37
Danny
I think the technology is not accurate enough. One or more frames can make a difference. The
City one, there was a clear difference between the photo and VAR image, clearly looked a couple of frames at least different and if they are going to have such minute decisions the technology needs to be similarly accurate and I donāt believe it is. It needs to be reviewed and Utd need to ask questions. It needs independent review of the system.
Then tell me why there was a 5cm allowance for Liverpool and no one else?
It stinks quite honestly.
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11 Feb 2026 15:24:32
My problem with the VAR offside reviews is when they deem the player that plays the pass has first made contact with the ball. It's looks like even this moment can cover the span of several frames which could be the difference between the goal scorer being onside or not.
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{Ed025's Note - thats a very fair point Peter..
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11 Feb 2026 15:32:56
Exactly that Peter, which is why it should be used as a tool and not a decision maker. The technology will never be 100% perfect or accurate. It should only be used as a visual indicator to help refs decide.
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11 Feb 2026 16:05:02
I do agree Danny. Although it I just don't see how that works on the pitch. We can't have the referee running over to the monitor for every marginal offside. It will be as stop/start as the NFL.
There's only one way to fix VAR and that's to throw it in the bin. The game is dead.
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{Ed025's Note - im with you Peter..
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11 Feb 2026 16:29:24
How many frames is the ball touching the passing foot? Who checks it is the exact match to the frame where the player is? Is it an exact match? Is the system calibrated? Is the system verified by independent experts? Are decisions further reviewed for accuracy of the equipment? Does the accuracy vary from ground to ground?
I go back to the third disallowed goal v City, the VAR player image looked different body shape to the photo as if two or three frames different.
Something is not right and the Refs are hiding behind it. Then what about this 5cm rule?
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11 Feb 2026 16:49:12
No mention of how bad Shaw was OP? He stinks, need to get rid of him, takes the piss out of us every season, plays well under a new coach or pre International tournaments, horrific.
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11 Feb 2026 17:12:29
Red man. All the questions you are putting forward are valid.
Something is definitely not right!
I disagree however with your point that referees are hiding behind it, I feel that the referees are scared of it tbh. Does anybody enjoy their job when their decisions are constantly undermined? Some of the cup games earlier in the season were probably the best games to watch as they had no VAR and I remember a commentator pointing out how happy the refs were and he was right. Massive smiles on their faces, joking with the players. They were having fun and the games were fun to watch (except the Grimsby one š¤£) .
VAR was supposed to eliminate controversy. Ironically it has caused more controversy than there ever was.
I genuinely believe that over the course of a season the game has been compromised. The big prizes (forget the trophies, I'm talking about Ā£Ā£Ā£) will go to the highest bidders if this carries on. Maybe it has already started.
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11 Feb 2026 17:56:22
I think the game last night is just another case of highlighting the limitations with our squad.
It's the first time in months where they've had to play 2 games in 4 days and the performance was flat.
Maybe we could/should have mixed up the team selection to try and freshen things up, but who exactly do we bring in and for who?
Can we drop Shaw or Dalot with Dorgu injured, and Mazraoui only just making his way back from an injury? Would Malacia and a not fully fit Mazraoui played better?
Or should we have started Yoro and/or Heaven for either Maguire or Martinez? Is it a great idea to throw young inexperienced CB's into an away game against an aggressive side like West Ham? Probably not.
So is it midfield where we try and freshen it up? Drop one of Mainoo or Maguire for who? Ugarte?
With Mount is out injured, then the only forward options to change things with the front four is Sesko and Zirkzee. In hindsight there was maybe a case for starting Sesko, but who should we have dropped? Bruno, Cunha, Mbeumo or Amad? Also Sesko has shown how he can change things from the bench, would the others offer a way to mix things up from the bench? Probably not as they offer a lot of similar things.
This squad seriously lacks quality in depth, and it certainly isn't even close to being ready to play 2 games a week for the majority of the season and maintain performances/results.
What was promising though was the never say fie attitude, the determination to fight back and not lost the game.
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11 Feb 2026 17:59:01
Scholes
Said a few times about Shaw, if you recall I was very annoyed about ETH selling Alvaro who then cost Madrid Ā£50+M.
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11 Feb 2026 18:04:58
Should have been bombed out years ago.
Imo will go down as one of our worst ever signings.
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11 Feb 2026 18:45:57
I can't remember was it was here mouthing off that this squad could have competed in the cl and come in top4 in the epl. On the neck of 2 good wins at the time.
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This is a really weak squad or 1st 11 can compete in their next days but after that there is little or nothing.
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12 Feb 2026 08:09:21
I remember who it was ken. š¤£š¤£š¤£.
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11 Feb 2026 09:02:39
What should happen in the 12-day break our team now has?
Carrington, every day working on fitness?
Reserves sitting deep and starting 11 working on breaking down a low block?
A couple of behind-closed-door friendlies?
A warm weather camp abroad?
A straightforward break for all to recharge?
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11 Feb 2026 09:15:07
Try and break the mould of Eth 2.0 would be a damn good place to start after that performance.
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11 Feb 2026 09:27:09
A point against what is now a well drilled team, in form, fighting for their lives away from home. Take your medicine and a point, learn a lot from it, and move on to a similar team who we should beat.
Loving the finish from Sesko - slow burner but yes beginning to earn to the Utd shirt now. West Ham blocked the spaces brilliantly nullifying Amad, Cunha and Mbeumo. Should have gone more directly sooner.
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11 Feb 2026 10:16:53
There rumours of a friendly against AC Milan in Saudi Arabia. But I don't think thst is happening.
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11 Feb 2026 18:09:39
I do find the concern fans have over a low block to be slightly out of proportion in my opinion.
There is a reason why poorer sides tend to use it against sides with superior players, it's effective and statistically the best chance they have of getting a result.
Only the very best sides can consistently play against a low block and beat it. Typically to beat a low block you need one of three things.
1. A mistake from the opposition, someone not tracking their runner, losing their individual battles, giving the ball away in a dangerous place, or gifting a penalty.
2. A moment of unbelievable magic and invention from a player who does something you just can't stop. Hitting a 40 yard screamer into the top corner, dribbling past 4 or 5 players with the ball glued to his foot, rising 2.5m into the air to head a ball home that no one else can reach.
3. Having a team full of world class players who can just relentlessly pummel the opposition until they break and concede.
That's it. There is no clever tactical plan to make good to average players suddenly capable of consistently beating a low block through the brilliance of their play.
I mean Arsenal have spent over a billion creating a top class squad, and even they tend to rely on starting 4 CB's to overwhelm the opposition at corners to consistently beat low blocks.
We are a long way from having a top class squad to be able to overwhelm the opposition and beat the teams that will let you have the ball and stick two banks of four in front of the ball. We will have to rely on either moments to brilliance or the opposition making a mistake. Neither of which you can consistently rely on.
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