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08 Mar 2021 20:50:37
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08 Mar 2021 20:47:40
A lot of talk about Pep on here lately, but here's a question for everyone. If we had got Pep rather than mourinho in 2016 do you think we would of won the league with him by now?

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08 Mar 2021 16:18:13
Chelsea V Everton tonight. A draw would be the best outcome tonight.

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08 Mar 2021 17:14:56
No doubt it would but a Chelsea win wouldn't be disastrous because we keep that 8 point gap to 5th.

To be honest we should be home and dry in terms of top 4 barring a complete capitulation.

Both Everton and Spurs need to average almost 1 point per game more than us and both have an inferior goal difference.

I'd say it's time to start planning for next season and giving a few of the youngsters a chance where possible, with Henderson seeing out the season as number 1. Not to sound complacent but I don't see such a points swing happening.

As Ken says below, yesterdays 3 points looks like a bonus. It may well have provided the cushion we needed.

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{Ed077's Note - I wouldnt mind an Everton win myself.

08 Mar 2021 17:48:43
Everton win for me.
1 I have a soft spot for Everton i'd like to see
2 I think Chelsea pose more of a threat.

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08 Mar 2021 17:50:21
Wouldn't it be better to bridge the gap to 5th considering it doesn't matter if we finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th?

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08 Mar 2021 19:02:08
I'd rather finish 2nd than 3rd or 4th. Ideally I'd like to finish 1st. For now, that is highly unlikely.

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08 Mar 2021 15:28:12
Would the editors provide an update on transfer ins and outs when they find a convenient time please?
Hope everyone remains safe and well.

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{Ed002's Note - Probably in a week or two. Thanks.}

08 Mar 2021 16:13:13
Thanks Ed002, know you’re very busy ☺️.

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08 Mar 2021 18:02:11
Thank you Ed002.
Eagerly awaiting for your updates.

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08 Mar 2021 15:47:59
A good result which could have been great had we managed to garner more points in the past couple of matches as well. Probably it was the best team performance against one of the top sides this season and although they threatened with a few dangerous crosses at times we did relatively well enough to come away with the points.

A few things to consider:

1. Henderson needs to play more ahead of DeGea for me. The defense is at much more ease and looks a lot assured. He seems to be more communicative and commands his box well - better in the air and not hesitant to come out of his line. Especially when we play a high line he looks alert and ready to sweep up anything behind the defense.

2. Fred needs to just stay back and do the defensive work instead of venturing forward as he is not good on the ball and keeps losing possession time and again. Instead McTom is more effective going forward and has already shown he can strike the ball clean and score goals as well.

3. Rashford/ Martial just try to do too much either by running through players or by holding on to the ball for too long instead of passing and moving. They need to be more efficient on the ball.

4. Again both Rashford/ Martial need to really improve their finishing skills. Either they blast straight at the keeper or try to be too smart and are complacent with their finishing. They need to be more intelligent in picking up spots while taking their shots.

Hopefully we can improve upon this and get more impressive performances and results.

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08 Mar 2021 17:06:45
I find it a bit unusual that DeGea has been given extended paternity leave. Assuming (and hoping) it wasn't down to any complications for mum or baby, then I wonder if Ole is using it as an excuse to do what he should have done by now - drop DDG and give Henderson a run of games. Footballers are lucky if they get the day off when baby is born!

Henderson did everything asked off him yesterday - easy enough saves but he commanded his area well. Couple of dodgy kicks, but his throw out for Shaw's goal was the pass of the game

Fred's workrate is exemplary but he is still prone to miscontrol and mispassing, despite some improvement. I'd rather see him lose the ball up the pitch than on the edge of our box when we insist on trying to play the ball out from the back. Although, to be clear - I'd rather he didn't lose the ball at all!

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08 Mar 2021 14:04:14
Anyone else feel a lot more confident with Henderson in goal? The big difference between him and de gea for me is that you can hear him the whole game. He's got a very good presence too and what I've noticed the last few times he's played is his willingness to come off the line and get the ball.

I really hope we get to see a lot more of him now.

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08 Mar 2021 15:02:15
I think their pretty even atm. DDG is the better shot stopper, but Henderson commands his box better. Both could do with sharpening up their distribution.

That said, DDG has been declining for a good 2-3 years, whereas Henderson should improve.

So personally I'd pick Henderson over DDG and look to find a solution (move DDG on) in the summer. I also think Henderson's skill set is more useful with our current defenders who need clear instructions and a keeper who will command his area.

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08 Mar 2021 15:13:07
I definitely feel more confident from set pieces, Henderson has made some pretty good catches which is always reassuring as De Gea is either rooted to his line or flaps at the ball which doesn't help anyone.

Still think henderson is poor on the ball and will be interested to see if we do player a higher line eventually whether he is able to sweep up effectively.

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08 Mar 2021 15:14:28
Think you've hit the nail on the head there Shappy.

I'd put Henderson in now for the remainder of the season because we can't catch City and we have a good enough gap to 5th.

Give Henderson the last 10 or so games to play with Vic and Bob and let him get used to the players in front of him for the remainder of the season.

Play De Gea in Europe where his weakness won't be overly exposed.

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08 Mar 2021 15:26:12
De Gea is on a decline and no longer first choice for Spain due to his lapses.

Henderson is probably not even at his peak yet and has a fantastic mentality to fight for his place.

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{Ed077's Note - DDG isn't suited to possession style of play. He is a good shot stopper but not too great at playing out from the back. That is why he lost the number 1 spot for Spain, not because Spain had better GKs than DDG.

08 Mar 2021 15:48:04
That's true Ed077, But De Gea let in some shockers during last Euro and he has not been the same since.

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{Ed077's Note - World Cup you mean. He has never looked great for Spain even when he was winning PoTY/PoTS awards with us. He just isn't good at passing around at the back. His long distance kicking is not bad but he seems really uncomfortable and awkward when he ball is played around, in and around the 18 yard box. He has struggled more and more as we have tried to play around the box more and more. That and the addition of Maguire, which again has meant playing at the back more

08 Mar 2021 16:02:09
Yes I was thinking this yesterday and even the CBS seem more solid and assured. It's his presence in the area which impresses me, he will come for a lot more than de gea which probably eases the defenders in not having to make a decision. De gea is happy to stay on his line which could be a reason for conceding a lot of set piece goals although there's no denying de geas shot stopping abilities.

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08 Mar 2021 16:14:17
ED077,

I agree with about DDG. Since OGS took over and wanted the team to play out from the back, it just doesn't suit DDG.

Also we don't have CBs in Maguire and LIndelof who are good enough to play out from the back.

Do you see or know if there are any truth in the DDG to PSG rumours?

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{Ed077's Note - I know nothing more than you do MH, sorry. The fact that DDG is reportedly the highest paid player in the league (basic salary) is always going to make it tough to move him on. Also dont forget that we are very likely going to lose 2 senior GKs already in the summer in the form of Romero and Grant.

08 Mar 2021 16:39:57
Ed077,

I was surprised he was made the highest paid GK given that his form was bad at the time.

It was a sign of weakness from the club to not cash in on him Instead of agreeing a new contract.

If imagine that he may be open to moving. His partner doesn't like living in the UK.

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08 Mar 2021 19:41:06
Mad Hatter, with Woodward in charge anything is possible and it isn't really surprising however, it's not as bad as some of the other contracts dished out - Jones comes to mind.

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08 Mar 2021 13:55:49
Hi Ed001 hope you are well. I know you don't watch German teams a lot but i would like your opinion on Flick of Bayern. Do you think it is a case of an average coach who is a good fit with a well run club like Bayern, or you think he is a top coach ?

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{Ed001's Note - in between the two. A good coach who is a good fit.}

08 Mar 2021 16:13:11
Thanks Ed001. I think the same too.

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{Ed001's Note - sometimes it is just as important to be lucky as it is to be good. Just ask Zidane! }

Liverpool v Fulham - A Liverpool Perspective

08 Mar 2021 12:05:59
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Fulham - A Liverpool Perspective

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08 Mar 2021 11:57:50
Yesterday I felt the manager and players got most things right against one of the best teams in Europe and the best in England by quite a distance.
A great start we could have been 2 or 3 up within 10 mins.
The dominated the next 30 mins but without really hurting us.
In the 2nd half we should have scored 3 but fluffed great chances.
We passed forward quicker and with intend running off the ball was much better.
Shaw was outstanding and awb not far behind. Martial was very good with his back to goal and brought others into play well. That was his best performance for a year and would have deserved his goal but it wasn't to be. It makes his lethargic last 12 months look hard to defend.
Ole deserves the credit for the approach yesterday. Others are improving we need to maintain the buffer built up yesterday for me was a bonus 3 points and keeps us just above what will be a dogfight for the minor but vital placings.
Can we have more of the same from now till the end of the season.? I loved hearing bruno say that. He has a winners mentality.

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08 Mar 2021 13:36:50
Ken - I’ve said it a thousand times but against the lesser teams there is definitely a significant drop off in our energy, hunger and desire.

This Utd team can press, it can play on the front foot. We did it brilliantly against City yesterday and it led to the early penalty. We did it in the first half against Chelsea and we should have had another penalty. We created some good opportunities against Chelsea and were a bit sloppy with the final pass on occasions but the opportunities were there.

I think it was Klopp who said his pressing was better than any No10 and I’d just like to see Utd do it more often. If we can press higher up the pitch and win the ball back it also negates the lack of quality in the midfield pivot. Win the ball back then play it quickly into Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood etc. They all thrive on quick ball and being able to isolate defenders and play 1v1. We are not the most assured team in possession and really struggle to keep the ball on occasions thus sustain attacks.
A high press offers a different solution to this problem allowing us to dominate the game and sustain attacks by pining the opposition in their own half.

A lack of pace at CB is a problem but if the press is effective it’s very hard to play accurate long balls over the top if there is pressure on the ball.

I think if Ole wants to take this team to the next level then this is an area we can definitely improve.

On a final note there has been some criticism of Fred and his wayward passing which I agree with but we really miss his energy and tenacity when he doesn’t play. I’ve not done the stats (maybe Shappy can help) but I bet our record is pretty impressive when Fred and Mctominay start together in the midfield pivot. If we pressed more aggressively which suits their game anyway it might just help with their lack of creativity.

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08 Mar 2021 16:17:17
DlIB,

It is true what you say, the desire isn't there against lesser teams.

Perhaps they are just far too arrogant. Under SAF, a Utd loss against a lesser usually resulted in spurring the team on and going on good run.

Against West Ham we could quite easily lose, as this team is hit and miss. Fingers crossed we can go on a good run. We have certainly failed to make the most of the teams below losing.

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