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30 May 2020 14:44:22
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By The Numbers: Liverpool

30 May 2020 13:57:20
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, By The Numbers: Liverpool

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30 May 2020 06:50:28
Hey Ed
Has there been any push back on neutral grounds?

It is a disadvantage and undermines the spirit of the league. For example Man Utd Sheff Utd is supposed to be at a neutral ground.

I’m surprised clubs have agreed.

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{Ed002's Note - If the clubs don't agree to the solution then the alternative is to end the season now. The police have identified 12 high risk games of which at least 6 or 7 will take place at a neutral venue.}

30 May 2020 06:50:28
Hey Ed
Has there been any push back on neutral grounds?

It is a disadvantage and undermines the spirit of the league. For example Man Utd Sheff Utd is supposed to be at a neutral ground.

I’m surprised clubs have agreed.

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{Ed002's Note - It is because the fans cannot be trusted.}

29 May 2020 17:58:20
Hi ed001, I can't log on to The Arsenal page.

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{Ed033's Note - Are you saying you have forgot your password?

29 May 2020 20:39:53
Switch sides mal. we're on our way back.

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29 May 2020 22:03:02
Malaga, it's for Arsenal fans not closet Spurs fans😘.

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30 May 2020 03:07:07
No Ed, I can log in, it’s just when I click on arsenal banter page it won’t load.

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{Ed033's Note - Maybe some people on here can go to the arsenal banter page and see if it works

30 May 2020 11:56:02
It's working fine for me. Clearly they don't think you have any "banter" Malaga🤣.

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30 May 2020 14:14:35
Works fine here.

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29 May 2020 09:39:30
I know there is a lot of concern about the safety of project restart but I've got to admit I am very excited to see what this full strength United can do.

I can see us bowling over the small teams we've previously struggled against now we have the creativity of Pogba and Fernandes in the team.

Just hope we can extend the deal for Ighalo so he can become a real cult hero.

Either way I'm strangley confident we will get top 4 with the run of fixtures we have.

GGMU.

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29 May 2020 12:08:14
I have several concerns, but we can only hope every precaution is being taken.

I am also excited by the prospect of seeing a full strength United side. With Pogba and Rashford back fit to play with Bruno for the first time.

I think we stand a great chance of finishing the season strongly. On paper we have the easiest run in, yet the reality is often the hardest games over the final straight in the league are often against those sides scrapping against relegation. Which incidentally is also the sides we have struggled the most with this season.

Yet I'm still confident that we can do well. We still also have a great chance in the FA cup and the Europa League.

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29 May 2020 14:35:58
Full strength squad, well rested team. If Ole doesn't secure Champions League football for next season he has to be sacked surely?

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29 May 2020 15:41:31
Ours is not the only full strength and rested squad.

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29 May 2020 15:54:34
My point being mbd, there's no excuses for not achieving our minimum goal of top 4 if the season is played out.

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29 May 2020 15:59:06
No mumbles he won't be sacked.

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29 May 2020 16:57:18
🎣. 🎣😂.

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29 May 2020 17:26:42
Go on then Mumbles, I'll bite. We are currently 5th due in part to significant parts of the season being missed by Pogba, Rashford, Matic, Fred, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Shaw, McTominay and Martial. who have all spent more than 5 weeks each out injured.

Them being fit now does not mean we can go back and get the points dropped from earlier in the season.

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29 May 2020 19:13:25
3 points behind Chelsea and 6 behind Leicester who we have to play. With 9 games left and the easiest run in in the league. If our manager can't get this squad of players to finish 4th now, he should be sacked.

I remember asking this question near the start of the season and it was a unanimous "top 4 minimum or he loses his job". It's amazing the mental gymnastics some go through to justify an average manager getting average results.

There are zero excuses going forward if the season finishes. Finish top 4 or win the Europa league or he should be sacked.

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29 May 2020 20:25:25
We can win every game left of this season but if those above us get results as well then there isn't much that could be done.

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29 May 2020 20:44:24
7 wins from 9 will get 3rd imo.

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29 May 2020 22:02:07
You're right Shappy. It's not like we've played 29 games of the season already to determine where we are placed in a table of our competitors.

Poor Ole just can't catch a break aye Shaps.

I think you're right Ken. Chelsea have some difficult games and if Leicester continue their form before the break, we should comfortably finish in the top 4.

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29 May 2020 22:04:22
I think you're probably right ken. But the fact remains that in theory we could win all our remaining games and still finish 5th.

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29 May 2020 23:52:04
And if that is what happens, then Ole should be sacked. Finishing behind a Chelsea side that had a transfer ban and lost their best player. And a Leicester side whom we took their captain.

We'll finish where we deserve to.

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect that Leicester might struggle a little.}

30 May 2020 08:20:50
So Mumbles, what your saying is that if Ole wins all of our remaining league games but other teams also get results you would expect the club to sack Ole.

Who at that point will have won his last 12 games and be unbeaten in 22 games.

I don't think it's as black and white as finish 4th keep your job finish 5th get sacked.

You mention the previous 29 games, but as I have pointed out, many of our best and key players have spent significant amounts of time out injured. Pogba is considered to be our most talented outfield player and he hasn't started a match since September 30th due to injury.

People who defend Pogba point out that he was out top scorer and assister last season. So you could argue that had he been fit we would have scored an extra 20 goals. I think that would have been enough to get us at least an extra 5 or 6 points and get us into the top four.

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28 May 2020 20:49:59
Busby is on demand with the new sky documentaries channel in case anyone is interested or hasn't seen it. 👍.

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28 May 2020 17:51:31
Read somewhere that Ethan Laird was MUFCs U16 top goal scorer from LB with 18 goals in a single season. He also got 12 assists in 31 games from RB for our U18 and U23s. If this is true then I look forward to a bright future for this lad.

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28 May 2020 22:58:24
He is a really good player. He has a job getting on at full back with awb and dalot on one side and willams and shaw on the other.
To aid his development i'd like to see him go on loan and play every week in the championship or abroad for a season. I've watched him a bit and he is very effective in the final third and aggressive in defence. Great runner off the ball. He needs to play at a higher level. Looks to have a lot of potential.
There is a district possibility dalot might move for regular action and laird could understudy awb.

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29 May 2020 14:37:40
Laird was the full back in the academy that most hope on making it in the first team was placed on.

Many people consider the injury to Shaw as being key to Brandon Williams getting his chance in the first team. Yet the injury to Laird at the same time was just as key otherwise it would have been Laird who would have been given the chance and not Williams.

Something similar happend with the Brazilian twins Rafael and Fabio. Fabio was considered the more talented player, yet due to injury it was Rafael who got the chance and seized it with both hands, while his brother continued to have injury issues. I think that is the same thing with Gary and Phil Neville where Phil was the more naturally talented footballer, but it was Gary who got the chances and grabbed them with both hands.

It just goes to show that it isn't just about having the most ability, but having the right mentality to seize those chances when they come along.

Hopefully Laird can have a year on loan next season and come back to challenge in the first team the season after.

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28 May 2020 15:44:22
I see today that the press are reporting that Real Madrid are prepared to include Martin Odegaard as part of the Pogba transfer.

I have no idea if this is true, or whether Odegaard would want to move to the club. But off all the possible players offered as a part-exchange Martin Odegaard might be the only one I would really consider.

He fits the mould of a creative player capable of playing either from the right or in the No.10 or maybe even slightly deeper.

If we aren't able to get Sancho then maybe Odegaard to play on the right wouldn't be an awful option, and actually has potential for plenty of upside.

I don't think it really makes much difference but the Norwegian link with Ole as manager might play a role.

What is everyone else's view on Martin Odegaard?

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28 May 2020 16:23:19
Looks like he’s started improving once the spotlight was taken off him. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come here. Definitely an option.

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28 May 2020 16:46:46
"creative player capable of playing either from the right or in the No.10 or maybe even slightly deeper" seems like the description about Mr. Bruno Fernandes Shappy.

Although Odegaard is one of the few players on an upward trajectory instead of downward like most of the other players rumoured to be available for a swap deal I think he might be very similar to Bruno in the positions he takes up but I must admit I haven't seen too much of him to be dismissive of him. Maybe both Odegaard and Bruno can play either side of a DM.

Maybe ed001 can help. Do we have a profile on him, they are very helpful in understanding a player.

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28 May 2020 18:01:17
Deependra, Bruno has never really played wide right, he has played through the middle, often on the right of a midfield three, but also as a No.10.

Odegaard started his career on the right wing, but at Real Sociedad has played the No.10 role regularly. It is thought that he could play deeper in a midfield three in a similar role to Modric at Real Madrid.

So in that respect I agree that the area he often drifts into might over lap with the areas Bruno likes to play in.

While in my opinion I feel we need a RW who stays wide more often than not, which isn't really how Odegaard plays when out on the right.

So he isn't a perfect fit. I'm just considering all options. In the event that we don't sign Sancho for whatever reason, and that the only way to sell Pogba is to accept a player in part exchange. Then in my opinion Odegaard might be the best option available as many of the other players offered either don't play in positions we are looking at or they are clearly on the downward trajectory of their career.
Odegaard bucks that trend somewhat in that he plays in areas on the pitch where we are looking to strengthen, and is young and on an upward trajectory so fits the sort of profile of player we seem to be targeting recently.

In a perfect world we sell Pogba for 120m+, and sign Sancho. The reality is we will need to compromise and be a little more creative this summer.

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28 May 2020 18:51:18
Fantastic to hear Odegaard may be a swap option. Be interesting to see what Real value him and Pogba at.

Don’t suppose they’d like to throw Varane in too? ;)

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28 May 2020 19:01:09
id be happy with odegaard. he has really been growing into a fantastic player. he was having a stella season. he has an eye for a pass and can dribble. i think if we can offer first team football it might encourage him to come. the main problem is who to buy to replace pogba.

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28 May 2020 19:09:53
No more round pegs in square holes.

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28 May 2020 20:29:32
I wish we’d stay away from square pegs round holes. We need a right winger by trade, plenty can fill in there when needed but we need a proper winger there.

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28 May 2020 21:55:45
If we didn't sign Bruno then I would be up for him. But why would we take a player like him to sit on the bench and not get regular first team football.

He a number 10 and we also have Mata and Andreas aswell. Also I would consider to a lesser extent Angel Gomes even though I'm not sure where his best position is yet. I wouldn't sign him as winger as then you stopping the progression of Daniel James and Taith Chong.


Regarding transfers. I honestly think it going to be Jack Grealish and a permanent signing of Ighalo. Outgoing maybe Jesse Lingard will be the biggest player leaving. Can't see Pogba going as I can't see United settling on anything but a really good offer

Sancho would be ideal but again can't see United spending 100 million on him. Maybe if Pogba goes then the club might be willing to spend

Honest opinion though I hope we give the likes of Angel Gomes, James Garner, Taith Chong, Levitt and Laird a chance next season. I rather promote within generally. Biggest question mark to address is the LW and RW this summer. Rashford is ok on the LW and its Daniel James preferred position so its not as needy as the RW.

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28 May 2020 22:46:18
Utd Road and Red Whiskey, I agree we shouldn't be looking trying to fit players into positions that they aren't comfortable in.

There was a rumour that we are looking to sign Grealish to play him on the right. Which sounds like a terrible idea.

However, Odegaard has played as many top flight games on the RW as he has at No.10, while he played the majority of his youth career out wide as well.

As far as wingers go he is more like Hazard than Bale when playing wide. In that it's his starting position but he tend to play more on the inside channel than the outside. While his dribbling is more about technical quality rather than pure pace.

So I wouldn't consider playing Odegaard wide right as putting a square peg in a round hole. All in all its probably the position he has played in most throughout his career.

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29 May 2020 09:32:58
It's ok Real Madrid offering all these players but the magic question is do they want to come and play for United? Remember the Angel Di Maria situation. He was pushed in to leaving Real and United were the only takers, basically he didn't want to be here.
I wouldn't touch any of them, i would demand cash or nothing.
We want players who are desperate to play for the club not these mercenary's that stay for 1 season and then decide they want to leave because it's to cold in Manchester. I've had enough of that crap for the last 5-6 years.

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29 May 2020 10:41:08
Simo, that's a fair point. I think in certain circumstances Odegaard is the only player from Real Madrid that they are likely to offer AND I think talent, age and playing position wise I would consider taking. But that would come with the caveat of him actually wanting the move.

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