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17 Feb 2025 13:35:30
As expected, with the midfield options we had, we were often overrun. Spense completely Skinned Mazraoui time and again. Despite being largely unprotected our defense conceded only one goal. We also had some periods of dominance and had many good chances. Garnacho should have scored once if not twice, and brought out 2 decent saves. There were a few other decent chances.
It's not the system, it's the personnel. We are generally too slow in midfield and defense. We have a forward line led by a CF who can't shield the ball effectively, is a poor passer, and often makes the wrong runs. When we do have chances we do not convert. We lack pace all over the field. We're simply not incisive and there's a complete lack of confidence. We do not have a leader on the field. For all his faults Maguire would be better than Bruno.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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17 Feb 2025 16:09:27
But we were never this poor under ten Hag, OGS, LVG and Jose. The league position never lies.
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17 Feb 2025 16:34:43
You can’t win much with clown of a GK
Very slow ponderous CBs
De ligt is poor mazaroui is poor Mc Guire is slow
Midfield even when Mainoo in there got no legs, Ugarte not even good enough all too slow
Garnacho awful finisher and Rasmus is diabolical as a striker as is Zirkee
So with that spine you don’t have cat in hells chance in the EPL
New GK better CBs midfield with legs and striker who can actually hold the ball up win a header once in a while, got a brain make the right run not always on his heels and can hit a barn door would be great start! That’s a hell of a lot required before you get cover for them, so going to be tough 2-3 years if we are lucky!
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17 Feb 2025 12:51:44
I see a lot of negative reactions to Yesterday's game. In my unbiased opinion that was the best United have played in a while. Many people were more positive when you were playing much worse but on another day you guys would have scored 3 or 4 Yesterday. that's was the 1st time in a while you created many chances and looked balanced, missing so many players to injury didn't help but I actually thought utd played really well overall Yesterday which is worrying! I think Amorim will eventually bring you back to where you belong if he is backed. (Liverpool fan)
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17 Feb 2025 13:31:41
I saw a couple of games at the beginning of the season where we player much better, created more, didn't finish and ETH was sacked. West Ham is a perfect example of that.
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17 Feb 2025 17:24:15
I read an article today that said eths win percentage this season was at 30% and Amorims across all comps 48%. No idea if it’s accurate but eth looked closer to the top on points purely because we had played fewer games and the players were bought specifically for his style and at huge cost. It’s not worked yet but it’s easy to forgot how quickly we were dropping under eth after a further 200m.
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17 Feb 2025 18:08:53
Sorry 43%.
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17 Feb 2025 10:16:01
3 at the back, 10 at the back, 1 up front, 4 up front. Doesn't matter.
As long as we have players on thousands of pounds a week, that can't keep hold of the ball, control it, or pass it to a team mate, tactical formations count for nothing.
Our inability to string more than three passes together, and hold on to the ball, is criminal.
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17 Feb 2025 10:49:13
totally agree Noucamp99, I was just in the middle of trying to say exactly what you have just said.
We have far too many players that are not upto the standard required for the premiership.
They may well look good in the leagues they have come from but the prem is a different level to what they have been use to.
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17 Feb 2025 10:58:42
That back 5 cost around £300 mill yet the team can't keep a clean sheet.
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17 Feb 2025 13:25:32
It's all very strange. Antony, who was dreadful in a United shirt, is smashing it in Spain. How is that possible, and why was he so bad for us? There is something very wrong at the club. The Manager isn't helping himself but then issues run very deep, good players playing poorly, a general malaise throughout the place.
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17 Feb 2025 17:32:55
We need an extra midfielder which means this wing back system has to get tweaked/ dropped as Dalot does absolutely nothing and cannot understand why he starts every game.
We are unable to move the ball in the middle of the pitch. We are 2 vs 3 mids against most teams and asking 2 mids to do a Herculian job. If you are sacrificing a mid for 2 wing backs then where is the end product of the wing backs.
Can't have it both ways I am afraid. You either have the right players to play a certain way or you don't. To play this way week in week out is criminal.
The athletic has a really good video analysis done on united by their stats guys. Good to watch and its very unbiased and just fact based.
I want to believe and hope RA can succeed but he seems unable to make any adaptations or changes. Much bigger and significantly more accomplished managers always adapt and make changes.
He will get himself sacked because of his own doing. People will blame the players, glazers, Ineos but he is the chief culprit of this set up. Teams know exactly what they will get from us and why we look poor. prepping for us must be so easy.
Make a change or slowly lose the entire fan base. Even if the owners want to show patients given barrada and wilcox picked him over Ashworth's objections but they will be forced to pull the plug.
Should have let ruud finish the season and brought RA in at the end of the season. what a mess.
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17 Feb 2025 07:39:06
{Ed's Note - Thestigno1 has posted a new article entitled, The Rangers Board Need To Give Managers More Time?
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17 Feb 2025 09:14:31
Yes give him a new contract. Doing a smashing job.
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16 Feb 2025 22:39:09
I was more disappointed that we didn’t throw a couple on sooner. 80 mins at 1 nil gives them a chance to make an impact. We either score or we concede. There’s a high chance of that happening with the 11 on the pitch anyway. After seeing the bench and being excited, it was a bit of a let down.
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17 Feb 2025 02:21:47
He says he didn't want to hinder their development. What it would do is build character.
Throw them on and see who steps up.
Absolutely nothing to lose.
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17 Feb 2025 07:34:46
Well he's killing everyone else's progress. The players are to blame, no doubt but he has done nothing to improve this team, they look miserable on the pitch, Garnacho looks like the weight of the world is on him and would have scored those chances with ease last season. I don't care what system he wants to play but he is making players worse. It looks ridiculous to watch. Amorim is a mistake and will get sacked.
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17 Feb 2025 09:11:21
He doesn't have any system in place @Banjoe. fans are pretending he has one.
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17 Feb 2025 10:05:51
To be fair we had some good chances should have got a result even if only a draw. Skying the ball from 10 yards is not down to the manager. Still think Bruno and Garnacho are serious problems we play them like their world beaters. Bruno not fit to captain my old school team headless chicken must be sole destroying for him to be your leader usually let's us down most when we need him to step up most. Garnacho plays like it’s his dad’s team. He looks like he deliberately only wants himself to look good shocking finishing not a team player with Dalot unable to cross as well. huge issue. Back 4 including keeper dear god. Couldn’t do much with midfield with all the injuries. All our weaknesses seem to be in key areas. A team that is worst as a whole than the individual parts with a distinct lack of effort. Throwing under 18s on when your captain is throwing you under the bus not a good idea.
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17 Feb 2025 11:03:47
Equalizer,
There is definitely a system, it just isn’t working.
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17 Feb 2025 12:22:42
What is that system @GDS2, Possession, counter attack, Heavy press.
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17 Feb 2025 14:25:28
Stop blaming the manager and start looking at the ownership.
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17 Feb 2025 19:07:17
It took a decade of mismanagement to create this ness, it isn't going to fixed in weeks or months,
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16 Feb 2025 21:15:02
'I have a lot of problems, my job here is so so hard, but I stick to my beliefs'.
Sticking to your beliefs when you've lost 8 from 12 games is going to get you the sack. Regardless of the squad he has inherited, he has to surely be looking at changing his system now. We're are toothless and make no mistake, his job will be very much in the line if we lose to Ipswich.
It sounds absolutely absurd to be saying this but we're worse than under Ten Hag.
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16 Feb 2025 22:23:09
It's going to stay that way for a while too. The defence concede easily, the attack can't score, the midfield doesn't exist and an idiot goalkeeper. May as well get used to it.
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16 Feb 2025 22:37:12
Looking and sounding like every other manager before him, dead man walking if this continues. Rightly or wrongly that’s where it is.
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16 Feb 2025 22:45:48
When Ralf Rangnick said we needed open heart surgery, maybe we flat lined on the operating table.
The Peter Principal is a theory that employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another.
Jim Ratcliffe has brought his business style to a football club, and so far it hasn't translated.
Brailsfords whole life was cycling. The attention to detail and incremental gains, do 1000 small things right and you'll see improvements. Again, a team sport where you are against an opponent is completely different to a cycling event.
Wilcox was the head of youth at City, sporting director at Southampton, Technical Director with us now. Again, zero improvements anywhere to be seen.
Omar Berrada, like some coaches are better being No.2s, maybe Omar isn't cut out for the top job.
Maybe Dan Ashworth was right. Keeping Ten Hag in the summer was a mistake. Signing his players was a mistake. Maybe going with Amorim who has such a specific system is a mistake.
I would have said Amorims job is safe no matter what, but the more I see us, the less confident I am that we'll pick up any more points. We're genuinely a really poor team.
We're in a difficult spot because our current manager has the players playing worse than Ten Hag, and we have little to no money to make signings in the summer. I think because Omar got him in early from Sporting that he'll stick by him, but this could get a lot uglier real fast if we don't pick up a few points to be guaranteed premier league survival.
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16 Feb 2025 23:00:46
Supporting Manchester United is hard work at the moment. I’ve always backed the manager above everything and always will. Once again I find myself reflecting on games and, whilst I agree the formation is frustrating, players are incapable of the basics. We had 2/ 3 very good chances in this game to score. Garnacho was guilty of some of these. I like the lad but he couldn’t even hit the target 1 v 1. Not acceptable. Make the GK make a save. In the last 4/ 5 mins, Zirkee had about 4 passes and they were all unacceptable for Sunday morning Pub football! We change managers, but the same lack of basics remain. ETH changed his philosophy and it, IMO cost him. I really think, as frustrating as it is, Amorim needs to stick with his beliefs and hopefully we will see the benefits. Changing now or changing the manager will only prolong this struggle. We should have stuck with ETH or pulled the trigger after the FA Cup final.
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16 Feb 2025 23:39:06
What did you expect today? He has cast casemiro aside and had to call on him today. On today's performance he was right to do so.
Fernandes is poor CM, but who else? Lindelof in CM?
The club have failed him. We needed players to come in and players to go out. So now he has to work with what he's got. I thought we played well today. Should have been 1 1 half time. Played better second half but had nothing on the bench to bring on.
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16 Feb 2025 23:50:49
He should stick to his guns, get the players including the youth versed in his system then in summer get rid of more and bring in players suited to it. Season was a write off before he was appointed, he was appointed for a reason.
What is do not want to see is him being forced to panic and change system to save his job to suit players who are going. A few extra points this season means nothing, this is going to take a few years and putting more plasters for short term gains but hindering the long term goal isn't going to help.
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17 Feb 2025 00:35:10
If our championship level forward players could actually do there jobs there paid for we score 4/ 5 today
It’s nothing to do with systems, these players bar the new kid have played in multiple systems and formations and still be garbage
The players aren't not good enough it’s as simple as that fergie wouldn’t be able to get anything out of these lot, you can’t coach composure infront of goal or coach someone to play a 5 yard pass without giving it away.
We are very lucky the bottom 3 teams are so bad.
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17 Feb 2025 06:52:30
Ralf told us we needed open heart surgery and most recognised it. Amorim needs to change the whole psyche of the club at football level. For 14 years it has gone downhill, if we don’t see through the change we will just get another manager for 18 months on repeat. RA has one new player, was given a right bunch, inconsistent in the extreme, including strikers who can’t and don’t score. The decision to keep ETH and spend £240m more in summer was the problem, incompetence and that was SJR and co.
Utter shambles. However, I believe RA will get it right. I may think he should have given a couple of the kids more time yesterday but the underlying standards he wants to drive will benefit us longer term.
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17 Feb 2025 06:56:00
This manager will get sacked. He has made us worse. When a manager makes the lads worse he is no good, don't care for all his talking. Good managers make average, poor, good teams better not worse.
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17 Feb 2025 08:13:02
Full reset lads.
They have to leave him there no matter how bad it gets. Rightly or wrongly, Ashworth in, Ashworth out, RA is here now and he has to be left alone to do whatever he sees fit. Otherwise it was all for nothing.
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17 Feb 2025 16:17:55
Most on here wanted ETH sacked because he wanted and we all wanted him to bring in his own philosophy and hisown players in to suit that, and frankly he did ok, but failed.
RA comes in, a fundamentally different coach with vastly different tactics, and we are now saying we want to dismantle the whole squad and build it according to his wishes, when we have no money in the coffers.
We have zero football identity or blueprint provided by those in charge, have a totally unprofessional and random approach to recruitment, and have nobody in charge. The whole set up is a farce. Do you all really trust the club in getting it right first time for Ruben, where every signing HAS to work? I have zero faith in these clowns.
The whole place and club stinks, and players are loving leaving our once great club and enjoying their football again.
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16 Feb 2025 19:13:19
So let me summarise the last 6-8 months. Those in charge decide to undermine ten Hag (who I quite liked) when he won the cup, then decide to keep him, buying £250m of players for him, then sack him two months later, then sack a proven DoF, then appoint an unproven coach who only plays one system that clearly never suited anybody in the squad, then give him no money to back him in his first and crucial transfer window.
Absolute clowns the lot of them at the club, as they're getting what they deserve. Sadly, it's the fans that'll suffer and pay through the nose to remedy their mistakes. Oh and Vera the tea lady etc who costs nothing all to keep in employment who'll lose her job, yet put Casemiro et al 375k a week. also says a lot for the character of all the squad that not one of them has spoken up and said don't worry we'll cover their measly salaries.
It's not our club anymore guys, and the Glazers are squeezing the lemon for one final round before it's worthless. Frankly we are super lucky the bottom 3/ 4 are so bad, as frankly we'd be down. I don't see where the goals are coming from, let alone a win.
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16 Feb 2025 19:31:09
On that Eric does anyone know if the leeches are still taking their dividends? because that alone would keep the redundancies down, not that they’ll care.
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16 Feb 2025 20:10:02
Well said Eric!
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16 Feb 2025 18:58:00
Athletic:
Man United have now lost 12 of their opening 25 premier league matches. The only time they've lost more top flight games was in 73/ 74 when they lost 13 and got relegated.
Very sobering that.
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16 Feb 2025 20:09:22
Tim don’t mention relegation. You’ll get slammed.
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16 Feb 2025 16:22:54
Result aside, I saw this online. SIX months ago. I love these stories and hope he goes far for us:
Six months ago, Sékou Koné was playing for Guidars FC back in his homeland of Mali. Today he will be in the squad for Manchester United's trip to Tottenham.
Injury crisis or not, what an unbelievable story.
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16 Feb 2025 18:46:52
Unfortunately iyr idiot of a manager didn't give him minutes despite casmerio being absolutely woeful. he's first change on the minutes is criminal. The last 10 minutes were shameful, might as well put a few youngsters on as again these players literally have no shame. St thus time I'd welcome relegation as that's what's happening next season with these players and bewildering tatics.
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16 Feb 2025 19:01:44
Nick,
Grow up pal, you want us to get relegated? Talk about throwing your toys out of the pram.
Think the manager didn’t bring them on as they are 17-18 and not ready yet, I’m sure if they were they would be already playing not just when we have a few injuries.
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16 Feb 2025 19:10:50
Amorim totally bottled that today. He should of brought a few on 10 mins into second half
Sick to death of these blaggers.
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16 Feb 2025 19:12:08
Casemiro was not the only one who was poor today. I would love someone to tell me the value of Dalot. I have been following United since the sixties and I really believe that he is one of the worst players to have worn the shirt. He cannot defend, he rarely crosses the ball, and his passes are almost always backwards and sidewards. Opposing teams create their chances on the side he is playing. As a left back, admittedly out of position, he was woeful. As a right back, he is no better.
Fernandes was also very poor today. One or two decent crosses was all he contributed. In the first half he was so indisciplined, leaving a sluggish Casemiro to try and stem the tide in midfield.
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16 Feb 2025 20:11:34
Nick, give your head a wobble! Relegation is a definite risk but to wish it to happen. Dear me 🙄.
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16 Feb 2025 20:29:31
If relegation got rid of the glazers and Qatar was back in would you take it.
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16 Feb 2025 20:48:14
Wasn't talking about this season . these lot will go down next season. Abd I don't wish it but they deserve it, I'm so past angry it's unbelievable as I'm paying £66 to watch this dross. and some are ready gds2 as they wouldn't be at the club. Open your eyes and stop thinking it will be OK. the team is dire, there's no money, and coach is a disaster. yep utd will be fine.
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16 Feb 2025 23:00:41
What do you mean they wouldn’t be at the club if they aren’t ready, they are in the academy and youth development because they have talent and may make it in the future, that doesn't mean they are ready to play men’s football in the premier league.
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16 Feb 2025 12:01:52
We have a long history of playing the youth and making it work. I hope the manager doesn’t bottle it and play experience to shield them. If they are good enough, play them. Look at Arsenal with Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly as recent examples. We’ve seen Liverpool do well when throwing in youth also. See what they’re made of.
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16 Feb 2025 15:38:23
Our bench v Spuds:
Among the Man Utd subs are Harry Amass (17), Ayden Heaven (18), Elyh Harrison (18), Tyler Fredricson (19), Jack Fletcher (17), Sekou Kone (19), Jack Moorhouse (19), Chido Obi (17).
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16 Feb 2025 15:53:39
What a bench! Let's go utd, I hope some of these players take their chance.
Zirkzee and hoyland have a point to prove, as does garnacho.
Casemiro has been written off and won't leave. He needs to step up now and show his pedigree.
Bruno, please please please show some positional disciplin, casemiro is not a one man midfield like ugarte.
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16 Feb 2025 16:01:43
if you ever watch our u!8 they are no where near good enough in my opinion. its not about bottling anything. its fantasy land stuff the fan base likes to believe. even the arsenal guy we signed is no where near good enough imo atm.
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16 Feb 2025 16:13:08
Of course ahmad, but we support them in hope. I am disgusted with our ownership, but if our history tells us anything, it is next man up. Let's go utd!
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16 Feb 2025 16:14:30
I get it Ahmad but we have a history of doing it. I’ve hardly been up for some of our matches recently but this one I am. Just brings a bit more excitement. Kone and Moorhouse for me are the ones I would really like to see. Obi, physically seems like he could handle the likes of Davies at centre back. If either of Hojlund or Zirkzee aren’t impacting the game then bring him on. I honestly don’t think it would be any worse than what we’ve seen this season so far.
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16 Feb 2025 19:25:51
I was hoping we’d see more of Obi given that our main CF hasn’t scored for 2 months. Pretty sure we’ll see more and more of him.
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