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22 Oct 2020 06:45:51
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21 Oct 2020 20:24:57
It's not looking good for our team selection this weekend, after AWB and Axel Tuanzebe were arrested at Paris airport after being found with €300m in their pockets.

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21 Oct 2020 22:12:37
Love it.

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21 Oct 2020 22:13:33
Let's get some perspective, PSG were absolutely awful. Strange that some people on here are calling for Tuchel as a replacement for Ole. Is he more tactically aware, it didn't look like that to me. Have his players given up on him? If you earn 20 times more than the boss, do you give a ****, unless you do something worthy of a youtube reel?

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21 Oct 2020 22:28:08
Someone called the fun police?

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21 Oct 2020 22:43:02
No Nicanlee, we were very good.

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21 Oct 2020 23:03:08
Bet you’re fun at parties nican.

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21 Oct 2020 17:56:47
Still chuffed by the result yesterday. Hopefully this United will turn up again over the weekend. A question though - with Martial suspended, do we see Cavani start or will it be Greenwood? Or would Ole change the formation. I hope to see Cavani and the same formation. Chelsea struggle to keep out goals so we can get at them. But the same was true in the FA cup QF last season but we decided to stay at home that day rather than on the pitch.

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21 Oct 2020 19:06:06
Martial suspended is a blessing in disguise.

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21 Oct 2020 19:57:38
Not sure if there is an issue with Greenwood or if it is press talk, I have been told from a good source he is rather over confident, or more accurately a big time Charlie. Whatever, I’d love to see Cavani, the man is a beast if he is fit, hell Scare the pants off most teams.

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21 Oct 2020 20:44:41
I was talking to someone yesterday AJH that said greenwood has been late to training twice and been late for 2 team meetings. I've had been acting as out of line with his previous character. I hope its not true and that he remains grounded.
I agree on cavani. I hope he stays fit and scores goals. I hope he is not zlatan than bastian or more Larsson than sanchez.

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21 Oct 2020 21:33:51
Ken

We have needed something different up front and Cavani provides it.

Will be interested to see him in action.

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21 Oct 2020 22:48:38
Cavani might score a few headers, we don't have that threat from our current forwards. Pogba is a decent header of the ball too if he was to get in the box with a more forward role.

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21 Oct 2020 23:27:14
We have signed a player that can head it and a full back who can cross, fingers crossed that works. I think we will continue with 3 at the back at the weekend.

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22 Oct 2020 00:31:45
We have been playing without a cf in the box for too long imo. I hope his movement will encourage and demand more crosses. Too often we get it wide and have nobody to hit and end up turning back inside.
Playing 2 up from the 4 available looks exciting as they are all comfortable running the channel or with their back to goal. On pallet there looks to be good combinations with any of the 4 assuming ighalo goes in a few weeks time
Dare i say its the best front 4 we have had for many years.
We have 2 games every week pretty much till the end of the season so even with the odd injury ole should be able to keep them fresh. Its not easy judging the combinations and when not to disrupt a rhythm. But hopefully it will present him with good problems. It will require great patience, attitude and tolerance from the 4 knowing that there is a chance they will miss out on big games.
The same can be said for our midfield. In that 3 5 2 formation.
Any 3 from pogba bruno mata dvdb fred matic mctom. Finding the right combinations in the right games is the job he faces.
Bruno i think its fair to say will play most after that its really any 2 from 5 matic fred mctom Pogba dvdb. So again playing 2 games a week and allowing for injuries there looks too be good options for any set of circumstances if they all realise they will miss out on big games. Mata i see having a big role to play off the bench or in cup games. Jesse looks to be too far down for regular football.
Even in a 433 those midfield irons are the same. Imo oles tougher challenge is getting that blend in midfield right to make the team tick.
In this 352 ole has great options but has a couple of frailties at the back to be ideal. Awb / Williams at rwb. Telles / shaw / Williams at lwb. Those look solid options.
Any 3 cb from axel Maguire shaw lindelof bailly rojo . Shaw does well as a lcb. Harry and lindelof need competition from a fit axel and bailly. You don't want to be rotating your back 3 as often as the rest.
The frailties are delivery from rwb. This can be worked on.
And injury prone cbs. we just need to hope they stay fit.
Keepers. Its hard to believe we have an even better no 2 than we had last season.
Moving beteeen a 352 and 433 or 442 those player buckets remain pretty much the same.
Good looking squad in that 352 shape. But can easily core moving to 4 at the back. Great flexibility in it.
On paper I don't think there is any other squad in the league with as much strength in depth.
Ole has shaped a good squad in the main. Just needs to get the blend right. The potential is there to compete to win any of the trophy s in this crazy season. If ole gets the best out of this squad we will be competing to win the big prizes and that's all any of us want to see.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that shappy....sorry i mean ken.. :)

22 Oct 2020 06:12:56
I’d play the same team but have Maguire instead of Lindelof, Pogba for mctominay and Cavani for martial. Would have started greenwood but just think Telles’ crosses are perfect for Cavani and against Chelsea’s broken defence.

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{Ed025's Note - thats hardly the same team though mate..

21 Oct 2020 16:37:17
The dilemma that is FRED!
Fred had a good game against PSG.
Made some great tackles, recoveries, interceptions and tried to thread neat passes. I remember sreaming at the tv for him to release rashford on a dangerous break in the 2nd held but he held the ball till being fouled. Going forward, those are the passes Fred should be able to pick out.
All that aside, as long as Fred stops trying those shots outside the penalty box, then he has my full support. I noticed he didn't try any against PSG, stand to be corrected though. 99.8% (my out of the blue stat) appear wayward.

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21 Oct 2020 17:16:09
Fred is a player that splits opinion. The issue is that he is great at certain things, yet he isn't well rounded enough to be a top level box to box player. His passing vision and execution isn't consistent enough and his shooting is woeful. Yet not every player needs to do every job. His pressing, harrying, tackling and turning over of possession is great. While he is very mobile, and quick. As a player who's job it is to disrupt the opposition, win the ball back and lay it off to better players he is excellent. But if your expecting him to be the next Xavi you will be disappointed.

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21 Oct 2020 18:30:39
If Fred learns to play to his strengths and not try to be all things to all men then he has a bright future. And I’m his biggest critic usually.

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21 Oct 2020 19:59:05
Fred is a road sweeper. Unfussy, does all the dirty work, in some games he is exactly what is needed. Endless energy, team player, love his approach. Unfortunately, he isn’t the most skilful but if he accepts that and concentrates on the dirty work he is very valuable.

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21 Oct 2020 20:26:52
Fred would do well to stick to the basics and become a good DM. He has the stamina and can tackle, it’s when he has to be offensive that he quickly gets found out.

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21 Oct 2020 20:46:13
Fred and McTominay's dirty work makes others look good.

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21 Oct 2020 21:14:59
I mentioned yesterday that I'd drop either Fred or Mctom for VDB. Not because they didn't play well, more to do with how VDB link up play passing and movement helps to speed to our play.

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21 Oct 2020 21:36:53
Hatter, for me the best shape is either 3412 or 442 diamond with our squad. Either way the solution is clear. Play two defensive minded midfielders (Fred, McTominay or Matic) against the top teams, with one or two of Pogba, Bruno and DvdB depending on whether it's a 3 or 4 man midfield. Then against the rest play with one defensive midfielder and 2 or 3 offensive midfielders.

My ideal line up atm would be the line up from last night but with DvdB stepping in for one of Fred or McTominay, then depending on form maybe either Greenwood or Cavani stepping in for Martial.

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21 Oct 2020 22:30:36
So can Fred be the new Kante? Learn the ropes at DM and take over from Matic?

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22 Oct 2020 03:34:34
Kante isn't a DM and Fred isn't either. You can't have a player with their energy sitting in front of defence, that's not their game.
They are defencive eightees who are all over the place and break up play. Both of them are like Herrera but with better engine, so better defencively on papper, but more average than Herrera on the ball.
Both Kante and Fred wants someone to sit behind them to receive the pass from the defence and organize from deep and someone in front of them with quality on the ball.
Kante is 5-6 years at Premier League and i can't believe that people still refer to him as a defensive midfielder.

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{Ed025's Note - please dont mention fred in the same sentence as kante mate..

22 Oct 2020 06:43:01
Fred is more suited to the champs league than epl imo.

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{Ed025's Note - i was thinking championSHIP to be honest RW, but he has improved of late i must admit mate..

21 Oct 2020 13:01:01
If we take this performance and result and compare it to our last performance and result against PSG we can see clear improvement. Last night was a mature, measured and well thought out performance, which contrasts with the defend deep, smash and grab performance that ultimately changed Ole from our interim manager into our permanent manager (rightly or wrongly) last time we visited the Parc de Princes.

While much has been made of a fabulous performance and result against PSG, little has been said about our managers role in the result.

We see it here nearly every week, Ole used the wrong tactics, he doesn't know what he's doing and his subs were terrible.

Yet this game showed Ole as a manager who out thought and out manoeuvred Tuchel at every turn. We started out in a 3412/ 532 shape (whichever you prefer), he adapted that in the second half when PSG started to get a foothold in the game, to a 442 diamond shape, placing that extra man in midfield to regain some control over the match, while also allowing and enabling the side to push forward for a winner. Then a final switch to a 4231 shape to see out the game.

All the subs worked excellently, Pogba gave us a player in midfield who the ball could stick to, while he has the vision and skill to create the chance which Rashford ultimately scored the winner from. While the introduction of DvdB and James meant we kept a fresh pair of legs to hit them on the break and stop any chance of them being able to push up on us, while Donny replaced Bruno meaning we kept vision and creativity, but had a more measured player who was less likely to give the ball away.

All subs could have been met by fans with a shake of the head. Telles was having a very good game debut, while Pogba hasn't been in the best of form. Yet it worked brilliantly. James has been much maligned, while Bruno is the fans darling. All subs that had the result not gone our way would have been questioned.

An all round excellent performance from the manager. Beating last seasons UCL finalists.

While one swallow does not a summer make, maybe this highlights that Ole might know a little more than most give him credit for.

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21 Oct 2020 15:57:52
You're right shappy, one swallow does not make a summer. And I am still firmly parked with the opinion that Ole is not good enough.

But to be fair to him, he did get it right last night and it was a thoroughly enjoyable game.

I think next time around PSG won't be so lacklustre though, so we will have to press on in the meantime and hopefully the form and play will improve over the coming weeks.

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21 Oct 2020 15:57:55
Good post happy and I think you miss another point: Ole has had the b*lls to drop Pogba. I argued he was simply rested against Newcastle, but when I saw the starting XI for PSG I was pleasantly surprised. I think Ole already had is PSG XI decided before the Newcastle game, which he used to get Fred and McT up to match sharpness.

I was really impressed with the lineup as it offered hard work, energy and pace.

It's amazing how quick we get the ball from back to front when Pogba doesn't start, and I think the last two games has proved he's more suited to coming off the bench when we need extra presence in midfield. Maybe he's not the £89 midfield dynamo that we thought we were signing, but a good squad player who can offer something different from the bench.

What a huge dvrrence playing LCB makes to Shaw as well, I dare say he looked intelligent in his positioning, always on his toes and confident to step out, knowing that Telles is covering.

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21 Oct 2020 16:38:58
Credit where credits due👏 also with Shaw and Telles on the same side we were able to switch from a back 5 to a back 4 seemlessly while in possession.

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21 Oct 2020 17:08:19
We have beat psg twice in the last 3 games .
We have lost 3 league games since February and people are still waiting for our form to improve?

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21 Oct 2020 18:36:09
Jred are you a child? What point are you trying to prove? Yes we beat PSG but did we lose to Palace, did dinosaur Jose's Spurs embarass us? Till the end of last season, you were singing we were unbeaten since Feb. Now 4 games into the season we have only lost 3 games since Feb.

In the 2019-20 season we ended up with 66 points, same as 2018-19 with just one goal more scored. Chelsea finished 2019-20 season on 66 points while they finished 2018-19 at 72 points. Spurs and Arsenal finished 18-19 season with 71 and 70 points respectively while they had lesser points in 2019-20. So my question to you is that was it us who improved or was it the other teams who regressed?

Theres simply isn't any wrong or right. Its a divided group where neither group is ready to concede and its best that we all be mature and discuss things calmly and not be cynics.

I am sure Every single United fan thinks that Ole got it right yesterday but some agree that he isn't good enough to be a United manager and such results just paper over the cracks. There is the other side who think that we are making progress under Ole and see a clear path. So be it.

I for one enjoyed the last 2 games irrespective of my opinion on Ole so i don't need to be reminded everyday that we lost 3 games since Feb. I will enjoy when we win and play this way and be "moaning" as Stevie put it😂 when we dont.

Simple point is that we all know that United side is capable of playing this way but how many times do they come out trumps like this? that's the grudge with Ole.

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21 Oct 2020 18:59:13
Shan
We tend to come out trumps against
The better teams fairly often.
People yourself included keep moaning but the truth is we have been playing well since the turn of the year
Lost a couple of league since last Feb, won our last 10 away is it?
We are currently on a very good that a few seem to complete ignore .
I'm really not sure what the point your trying to make with your constant moaning.

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21 Oct 2020 19:14:53
Shappy and Shan, I think the question is whether Ole can learn from this win? My main criticism to date is that he has seemed dogmatic about his approach and doesn't adapt it to get the most out of the players he has. Last night he was more flexible and everyone looked comfortable with their roles. He also successfully changed it twice mid game and brought on the right substitutes at the right times. This is something he hasn't done well previously.

I think he is in a better position now with the options available to him. No doubt it makes it easier when he looks at his bench and doesn't see Lingard and Pereira.

Roll on Chelsea and let's hope we can stick it to Fat Frank. Chelsea look shakey in defence so I think we should press hard and Solksjaer should plan his substitutes to replace tired players and keep up the intensity.

If he plays Henderson and Tuanzebe they we can push higher up the pitch.

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21 Oct 2020 20:00:11
We payed well and I was delighted but I’m. It sure it was the master class being portrayed. They are a good team, they had chances, DDG made great saves. We matched them and took our chances, we looked good buts let not analyse it to death.

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21 Oct 2020 20:20:20
"All be mature and discuss things calmly" 😂😂😂.

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21 Oct 2020 12:38:42
My gut feeling is that Tuanzebe won’t start on Saturday as he has only just come back and Ole won’t want to risk another long term injury. If he can be managed back to full match fitness then sooner or later we will be calling for a new CB to partner him and not Maguire.
I think we will go for the back 5 again against Chelsea and I see no reason why not to. Werner will play off the left and we will have AWB to handle that threat. McTominay and Fred can track Havertz. On the attack we are fine and just need to be a bit more clinical.

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21 Oct 2020 12:49:57
Chelseas midfield is much stronger than PSGs. If we cede control to them we lose the match.

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21 Oct 2020 10:11:21
Tuanzebe was impressive last night .
After 8 month out and only back in training for 2 week it shows the faith ole has in him
Maybe why we never bought a cb 🤔.

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21 Oct 2020 10:43:51
Proper centre back performance although he was helped by the way Ole set up with a back 5, meant he had plenty of cover from AWB and lindelof.

Some of his recovery runs were really good and exactly what were crying out for at centre back.

Bailly seems to be injured again, i think its time to call time on his united career unfortunately as i don't think it will ever work out for him at the club. Maguire and lindelof have their obvious limitations.

If axel can't make it this season, he won't get a better chance.

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21 Oct 2020 11:42:03
Jred - Tuanzebe was absolutely brilliant last night! He really shouldn't have been able to play that well considering it was his first game of football in nearly a year following injury.

Without wanting to go overboard he actually looked like our star CB returning from a serious injury to bolster a much maligned and criticised defence in his absence.

I remember him pocketing Sanchez when he first broke into the first team a few years ago and last night he was just as impressive.

The kid has obviously got huge potential and if he can stay fit and clear of injury he won't have a better opportunity to force his way into the team. Delighted for him.

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21 Oct 2020 12:21:13
Knocking on the door for 2 years he just has had no luck with injury.
Let's hope he gets an injury free run so that he can stake his claim.

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21 Oct 2020 12:38:20
Ole has faith in Tuanzebe.
Always spoke highly about him and even gave him captaincy during a Europa game last season.

Perfect time for him to shine.

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21 Oct 2020 21:47:50
He was excellent. Be a shame if he is dropped for Maguire when he returns.

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21 Oct 2020 09:45:02
Anyone think the signing of telles means that we will move to the kind of system we saw last night on a more regular basis. What was great was when we were in control it changed to a 4 which kept us well protected, and allowed us to leave more players forward to sustain attacks and make it hard to counter.

It will be interesting, those corners from telles are worth the transfer fee alone. It's been a long time since we've had a decent crosser of the ball!

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21 Oct 2020 09:52:25
If anything, I think it means Maguire will probably score more goals, his corner deliveries are the best I've seen since Beckham, of course that could just be a one of.

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21 Oct 2020 10:01:47
We played well with 3 at the back and a back 4 last night . Great to have options.

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21 Oct 2020 08:14:15
Unpopular opinion. but maybe pogba's best position is as a false 9. Has strength to hold play, keep the ball and play in runners. This allows rashford and martial to start wide and cut in. Also allows us to have 3 of bruno, vdb, fred, matic and mctominay in a solid midfield 3 with bruno/ vdb playing the no.10 or higher up of the 3. We don't need to worry about Pogba tracking back or not making tackles. Would love to see it but will likely never happen, atleast not as a starting lineup.

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21 Oct 2020 09:28:13
The issue with Pogba is that he has the talent to play multiple positions. He's fast, strong, technically gifted, a good dribbler, a good crosser, a good passer and a good shooter.

However, he seems to lack drive to make one position his own. His passing range and physicality would suggest he should be an excellent CDM, yet he doesn't have the commitment to do the ugly side of the game. While also playing deep means you negate his excellent shooting.

He could play as a No.10, yet he doesn't press enough and drifts in and out of the game in that position. While that position negates his passing range. The same would be true if he played as a false 9.

He could play wide, that would make the most of his passing range, his dribbling and pace, while the lessened defensive responsibility would probably suit him. Yet this would still negate his shooting ability.

I think Pogba plays best on the left of a three man midfield. Where he can drop deep to collect the ball, then drive at teams. The freedom means he can be deeper and use his passing range, or he can move forward into positions where he can either shoot or play the final pass. While having two other midfielders alongside him means his lack of effort defensively isn't so damaging.

The issue with playing him in this position is that you need to build the entire team around him, which means when he is having a bad day the whole team will struggle.

The reality is that he doesn't want to be here and we should sell him and then he is someone else's problem to work out how to get the best out of him.

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21 Oct 2020 10:00:18
Pogba's best position is on bench. Otherwise its like we are playing with 10 men.

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21 Oct 2020 10:38:36
We looked really good and even more threatening when he came onto the pitch.

Great bit of in game management by Ole, after martials inexplicable own goal i thought PSG could go on to win if we kept sitting back.

Bringing pogba on put PSG under pressure and that eventually told when rashford scored the winner.

Long season ahead, sometimes well go with 3 at the back, 4-2-3-1 and last night showed how well a 4-4-2 diamond can work. Plenty of games for out 6 first team centre mids to play in.

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21 Oct 2020 11:31:42
As always, Pogba chooses when to play.
But yesterday when he came on, he played like he had a point to prove.
Held opposition players, showed strength and kept the ball.

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21 Oct 2020 15:30:30
His best position is at the left side of a midfield 3 or in a diamond. Yesterday althought i always criticize him he was good.

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