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14 Aug 2025 11:54:01
Looks like collyer going on loan to West brom
Good for him hope he does well.
1.) 14 Aug 2025 14:11:45
Best idea for him at hopefully a top championship club. Will either mean he comes back ready to compete or we are able to sell on.
Good luck to him.
2.) 14 Aug 2025 15:30:34
Even more depleted in central midfield then. Surely there has to be another coming in.
3.) 14 Aug 2025 16:13:37
If you believe Cameroonian media outlets, then there is ballons!
4.) 14 Aug 2025 16:42:32
Even before Collyer we were light in midfield, maybe not from a numbers point of view, but certainly in terms of the quality needed in that area.
We would have Casemiro, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno in his likely new role and then from youth we would have Kone when he recovers. All for 2 spots. Bruno is a guarantee starter, so it’s one more needed. Unfortunately none of the others have the skills or talent required. So a new player is definitely needed.
I would say there is 0.1% chance of Baleba happening due to the £100m+ valuation.
Seen Wharton mentioned recently, but I’d imagine Palace will have a similar valuation. So probably another with zero chance.
Guess it’s down to whether the club want to go with a player way down their list of targets or wait it out until next season.
I’m hoping they break the bank for Baleba, but I’m not hopeful.
5.) 14 Aug 2025 18:54:08
Why zero chance fall guy have you been listening to the back of fag packet know it alls on here about we have no money!
6.) 14 Aug 2025 20:19:21
While I'd like to think that Collyer going on loan must mean we are signing a midfielder I sadly expect that it was always the case that one of Collyer or Kone would go out on loan to get game time this season.
We play with a midfield pivot, meaning there will only be two places up for grabs. Which without European games reduces the amount of rotation we need to make.
We have Casemiro, Ugarte, Bruno and Mainoo nailed down as the four senior options. Really we need one youth option who will play under 23's most weeks but can come into the first team squad for some games to cover for injuries.
They seem to have made the decision to keep Kone with the squad and develop him in house this season. They seemed to come to this conclusion while on tour, which makes sense that a couple of weeks after we've got back we are hearing about loan deals being lined up for Collyer.
That said I still think we will sign Baleba. I just think that one of Collyer or Kone was always going to go out on loan regardless this season to get the senior game time they need.
7.) 14 Aug 2025 20:54:14
Didn’t say zero chance. Almost zero though.
It’s been widely reported that Brighton will want north of £100m. Although this is unconfirmed it’s likely fairly true based on what Chelsea paid for Caicedo.
They don’t have to sell so are unlikely to reduce the price.
United aren’t going out spending that kind of money this window.
21 Jul 2025 17:36:44
Looks like vietek and Harrison are both leaving on loan again. Really important for young keepers to get experience.
There was some suggestions on here that they play a part of our 1st team squad this season. I for one am glad that's not happening i hope they both get good game time and start learning their trade. Its the one position that we rarely young kids get experience in the epl.
1.) 21 Jul 2025 17:50:05
It was clear they both need loan time, no way we can stick a rookie in goal, Chido needs to go loan too, he not ready to be our number 9 1st or 2nd choice.
I know some think pick the kids, but really probably only 1 maybe 2 might be good enough.
They need the experience I would say the same with Leon too, he is not Roberto Carlos like he thinks, quit yet.
2.) 21 Jul 2025 19:49:11
Agree on obi but not Leon he had been playing mens diurnal for a year so a bit ahead. Only saw him for 45 min but he looks very aggressive and maturity in his play beyond his age.
Wide areas are also easier for younger players in a lot of cases.
3.) 22 Jul 2025 00:40:50
Are you already suggesting Leon has an attitude issue? Why does he think he’s roberto Carlos?
4.) 22 Jul 2025 09:44:14
I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting that the academy keepers be first choice, just given a run out in pre-season to see if they could be a squad option if needed.
Although I fully agree that they are much better placed having a loan for a season and playing mens football regularly.
Chido in an ideal world would also be better off with a loan, but with a dearth of options at the club then he will probably get more chances here this season then he probably should at this stage.
Diego Leon has been playing senior football for a while and is far more ready than the others mentioned. Like Ken said playing wide is also easier for young players with less pressure. It might have only been 45 minutes but he does look more ready to play at this level than Amass does. So I can understand why the club are looking to loan Amass and keep Leon.
Ultimately all youngsters will have rough edges to their game that needs rounding out, and they will make mistakes. How they learn from them ultimately determines the player they become.
We have a lot of talented young players in our first team squad, players like Yoro, Heaven, Fredricson, Dorgu, Leon, Mainoo, Collyer, Kone, Amad, Chido and Højlund.
Not all will make it at the highest level, even the ones that ultimately do, will make mistakes along the way.
We need to get behind them and support them rather than tear them down, I can assure you they will do that enough by themselves. We forget what it was like to be a young man trying to find his place in the world, second guessing ourselves, and repeatedly going over our mistakes. Even the ones who portray confidence bordering on arrogance are internally questioning themselves.
I also think that this modern world of social media only amplifies the negatives around people and their actions. Which given the way the younger generations are glued to their phones probably makes it that much harder for young footballers who will likely see a lot of the negative options on them that float around social media.
I do know of a couple of young EPL footballers whose management team around them ban the player from all social media for 3 days after they play any senior game to protect them both from the negatives and the hype that tends to follow. To give them space to reflect on their performance themselves and with they're coaches to form their opinions before they get influenced by the views on social media.
As fans as supposed "supporters" we probably should think before we type in frustration. Will our anger and negativity have a positive effect if the young player reads it? Probably not, in reality it'll probably have a negative impact. Especially if it is one of thousands saying the same thing.
Players in their mid-twenties with over 200 professional games under their belt should have the emotional maturity and experience to handle criticism and to be able to put it in context. Teenagers or lads just entering their twenties will likely not yet have that emotional maturity or experience.
Maybe imagine that if the player was your son, how would you want thousands of people to react, and what would you want them to say about a poor performance from him? Then maybe respond like that.
The best advice I ever received was "a wise man stays silent when angry" as words said in anger cannot be taken back, and often cause irreparable damage.
5.) 22 Jul 2025 21:34:23
German how do you know what Leon thinks?
6.) 23 Jul 2025 06:32:00
Ken the same way you seem to know how we all think!
7.) 23 Jul 2025 21:40:53
Great to see you can read and write Shappy :-)
I was one of those who suggested lifting some youth to the first team, and also supplementing with a Lammens or Garcia - with the view that both Onana and Bayendir were being shipped out - that isn't the case now it seems.
For those who can't read - try to read between the lines and you may be less obtrusive in your responses.
8.) 24 Jul 2025 10:37:40
Jimbo, I think at the end of the season there was a lot of unknowns around our keepers.
Heaton was out of contract, Bayindir showed himself to not being up to challenging Onana. While Onana continued to struggle (although I do feel that it is being overstated/ hyped about how much he has struggled) .
Under such circumstances where we could have lost all three first team keepers it made perfect sense to bring in two new keepers and promote an academy keeper to be third choice. However, that isn't what has happened.
While I don't think Onana is anywhere near as bad as he is being made out, he will need replacing. The trouble is that we won't be able to move him on this year. Partially because of his high wages and the fee we paid for him means we need a significant fee for him. But also because the hype in the press and on social media about how poor he's been will have put off any potential buyers.
That's something we don't consider enough as fans, but what we say about our players online does reverberate across the football landscape more so than a lot of other fan bases. We are partially responsible for creating the narrative around our players and that narrative will impact potential buyers for our players.
This was definitely the case when it came to selling Mason Greenwood. The noise out fans made around him and the whole situation only added fuel to the fire which definitely impacted other clubs who were looking at him. We helped create the negativity around him that made fans of other clubs not want him to sign for their club which definitely put some teams off as they didn't want the public backlash from their fans.
Look at Nicolas Jackson for example, he's a very good player, but one who struggles with one aspect as a striker. Yet the majority of the negativity around him online doesn't actually come from Chelsea fans. As such they will still be able to get a good fee for him (more than they paid for him) . Now if he'd been at United for the past couple of seasons he'd probably be spoken about in a similar way to how Højlund has been. Which would make it almost impossible for us to sell him for even what we paid for him let alone a profit.
We want to sell Højlund, but can anyone hand on heart say that if they were in charge of another club and having heard what United fans say about him that they would be interested in signing him?
Ultimately some signings work out and others don't. United fans have a habit of writing off every one that doesn't as the biggest flop in history and speak about them like they aren't even Sunday league level.
Yet in reality a lot of our "flops" in recent years have gone on to be successful elsewhere.
I suspect many of Onana, Antony, Rashford, and Højlund etc will have very successful careers when they leave us.
Yet all have been spoken about by United fans as if it's a miracle that they ever managed to become professional footballers.
With Onana now unlikely to leave and with Heaton signing a new one year deal it looks like Bayindir will be the only one to leave. With us looking to sign a higher quality keeper to come in and challenge Onana for the No.1 spot. Which gives us no room in the first team squad for a young academy keeper, so it's best they leave on loan.
With a bit of luck the new keeper we sign this summer steps up and takes Onana's place and then he moves on next summer. Probably along with Heaton retiring. At which point with two keepers leaving we sign one and promote one of the lads who have hopefully had a good season on loan this year.
9.) 26 Jul 2025 05:51:04
It’s not the fans so much, but the Manager and RA in this respect as devalued his own players considerably, TBF no one pays much attention to fans ramblings when they are buying or valuing a player, but they certainly do to a fellow professional (manager) when he says they have crap attitude, not good at this or that, that certainly devalues a player, did he think he was adding millions to there value with such naive remarks!
RA not helped himself here.
18 Jul 2025 17:42:47
Amass left out of pre season tour. Either a loan or full sale incoming. Leon is impressing in training apparently.
1.) 18 Jul 2025 18:08:53
Not really a surprise.
I like Amass, but he does seem to lack that physical edge for the EPL - hopefully he just goes out on loan, maybe that could bring out that extra level.
For the sake of his career though, in light of how quickly Leon is settling and showing, he needs regular minutes.
Best of luck to him.
2.) 18 Jul 2025 19:19:22
Send him to Blackburn and toughen him up ? i like him, there's talent there.
3.) 18 Jul 2025 20:27:24
Sell him with a few clauses inserted.
4.) 18 Jul 2025 20:40:32
He's going on loan I believe.
5.) 18 Jul 2025 21:16:59
The last young left back we sold has ended up at Real Madrid….
6.) 18 Jul 2025 21:26:38
I'd imagine a loan, he's got talent, he's just a little lightweight right now. He needs to grow into his body, that'll take time.
7.) 18 Jul 2025 21:48:39
I think that’s fair Shappy. He looks too small right now. Some adult first team action elsewhere will sort that out.
8.) 19 Jul 2025 03:20:58
If I was a betting man, I would say Leon will have cemented his position as LWB by Xmas. Dorgu will be understudy. Come next summer, the conundrum will be do we stick or twist with Amass/ Dorgu. 3 into 2 doesn't work.
9.) 19 Jul 2025 10:05:35
He is not going to be sold, a loan to a Championship team is the intention.
They want him playing regularly, he needs this to happen as physicality is his issue, not ability.
He is still highly regarded at the club. Indeed one of the reasons Alvaro Carreras was allowed to leave was that the club felt that Amass had a higher potential ability ceiling. Also, it needs to be remembered that Alvaro requested a transfer and the club would not want to keep a youngster who expressed a desire to leave.
10.) 19 Jul 2025 11:02:01
That's a bold statement to make about a player you have never even seen play before jimbo.
11.) 19 Jul 2025 11:39:25
Very bold statement, whilst I agree Dorgu will only be understudy, it’s something to say that’s to a player we never ever seen play regularly in the EPL, but of course the kid talks like he is Roberto Carlos just hope he can back it up. But to imagine he will be first choice is a stretch by Christmas… hope it’s right, but I think maybe wishful thinking more than reality.
12.) 19 Jul 2025 21:27:24
Ken/ GSC, he is competing against Dorgu who looks lost at times.
They will fight it out, but he looks the part, and talks the talk.
We will see by Xmas.
13.) 20 Jul 2025 01:40:45
Dorgu was the best player today, hopefully a sign of things to come now he’s settled, the kid is a workhorse.
14.) 20 Jul 2025 09:53:04
I think some people have been very quick to right Dorgu off. He was highly rated when he signed, and he clearly has all the right qualities to be a very successful signing.
But joining a club in January makes it very hard to for a player to be instantly successful. Vidic and Evra had a pretty poor start to their United careers after joining in January. While they also had the luxury of joining a very good United side full of quality players and under arguably our best ever manager. They were also several years older than Dorgu with far more experience to lean on and help them early on in their United career. Even with all of those extra benefits they still struggled, and arguably had less of an impact in their first 5 months as United players.
Dorgu looked very good yesterday. He is now more settled at the club, he is having a pre-season with us, getting to grips with the tactical demands from the manager, settling better with his teammates and building those on field relationships.
I think he'll have a very good season with us. Obviously he'll make mistakes from time to time and his performance levels will not be consistent, as you'd expect from any 20 year old. He'll cement his place as the first choice LWB this year.
Luke Shaw looks like he'll be played at LCB, which makes the most sense for me. The wingback positions is the most physically demanding position on the pitch, and while Shaw's skillset looks well suited to the role, we know his body doesn't stand up well to the physical demands at LB let alone the more demanding wingback role. Maybe playing LCB is his best chance of actually staying fit, although I feel that might just be a fools hope.
Amass will almost certainly head out on loan, he needs to play regularly at senior level to develop his physicality. He's a little on the small side, but the real problem is he doesn't know how to use his body at this level. His small stature should give him a lower centre of gravity and make him harder to push off the ball, but he doesn't know how to use his weight correctly right now and is getting bundled off the ball far too easily. A year in the championship should do him wonders.
Diego Leon impressed yesterday in spells, but was clearly still getting to grips with the club and the increase in speed and the physical demands in Europe compared to South America. I think he'll stay as the understudy to Dorgu this season.
Next summer depending on how both Leon and Amass have done the club will have a decision to make about whether to let one leave either permanently or on loan, or maybe both and look to buy another LWB if neither show that they have what is required.
Dorgu though I'm fairly confident will have shown himself to be a very good player for us by this time next year.
15.) 20 Jul 2025 16:08:39
Why do supporters try to judge players and likeness them to another from a past era. it’s quite pathetic If Dorgu becomes half the players Evra and Vidic was it will be something and we have to be fair he not looked great so far, I seem to remember someone mentioning Shaw was world class!
I know supporters love the romance of kids breaking through, some were even saying one of them for GK and Chido for striker neither are ready yet that’s quite clear
I still say pound to a penny, Dalot will be RB number 1 choice and Dorgu was only bought for back up
We need to buy some Pace and some experience, for CB Midfield and CF, they are all necessary 100%.
16.) 20 Jul 2025 21:50:43
I been told by a relative that Preston want him on loan for the season, good club, good fans have good links to all big clubs in NE.
17.) 20 Jul 2025 23:10:53
GSC your above post implies Dorgu is backup to Dalot. they play on opposite sides of the pitch fella.
18.) 23 Jul 2025 17:42:26
You need to read up on Dorgu and his favoured position from his own words.
Dorgu can play left or right, in fact states he prefers right, but I did not imply back up to where, just he bought to be a back up…simples.
23 Jun 2025 22:10:31
BBC reporting we are in advanced talks with al nassar for casimero. No figures mentioned. Maybe a gift for ronaldo signing his contract. Selling him for 10.m +And saving 18m on wages would be a dream result.
With the new financial year kicking in i think it likely we will see some sales and income coming in from 1st July.
They in turn will help unlock some expenditure. Should be a very busy 21 days.
1.) 24 Jun 2025 02:10:56
Kinda torn on this one. His best days are clearly behind him, and his wages far exceed the value that he adds to the team, but he at least cares about winning. He tries his best week in week out, which is more than can be said for most of the players at the club.
Obviously, we take the money, but there are plenty of players I’d rather see leave than Cas.
2.) 24 Jun 2025 06:01:08
Exactly Redseven, Cass is total professional, mind you you don’t get to win what he has without being…. Plenty I like to see shown the door before him, money side of it, is no concern of mine, too many people get hung up on the £££s the club don’t have no concerns about taking ridiculous money for me to attend, travel, buy a burger buy a pint, so why should I care about there finances, they employ accountants to do that…. my concern is a winning team.
3.) 24 Jun 2025 08:43:00
Casimero has been a great professional whilst with us and offers nothing but 100% and as we saw last year still can perform. However, we need to get legs in the middle of the park to allow us to play Fernandes or Mainoo in there so I am okay with him going, get wages off and bring in another player.
Would be happy with a midfield rotation of Fernandes, Mainoo, Ugarte, New signing, supplemented by Collyer and the youth players.
4.) 24 Jun 2025 09:15:06
People are hung up on the money though German because it impacts what the club can and cannot do within the transfer window. I don't think any of us have the greatest grasp on FFP and PSR but we do know the club is not in the best position financially so any sale of a player on high wages and any bid from Saudi you hope comes in over the odds is going to help with what the club can do in the window which leads to having a winning team, hopefully.
5.) 24 Jun 2025 16:25:15
Midfield of can’t pass a ball 10 yards headless chicken Ugarte and no legs or mobility Mainoo, with Collyer back up will be awful, as seen last months of the season Cass kept them all out the team, so that would be a step backwards imo…
so missing 25% of your games is good? Oh great….
6.) 24 Jun 2025 23:23:50
Maze would you get of your cross mate. It's not just the odd post you parade negative on it's everybody's Post. I hate to read anyone's posts because I know that when a good healthy debate opens up. Your odds on to project gross negative attitude into it.
Go hustle on the LFC page cause your the biggest and darkest cloud with nothing positive
SNIYGNGTS.
7.) 25 Jun 2025 06:26:02
Red villain, sorry did not realise there was much to be positive about, please enlighten me with all the positives with United, so I can have a party!
Easy answer skip my post or you the woke brigade and people can only comment if it’s all nice and fluffy comment…. get in the real world not the fluffy woke 2025 world.
8.) 25 Jun 2025 21:37:04
2 proven PL players whos runs in the first 5 games of the season had a higher workrate than most.
A manager with a pair of steel ones that has seen what we have been saying for ages
Finally the dead wood and the badd eggs are getting the boot
That's all the positives I need to be happy
Add a GK and real CF and I'll be F. Ecstatic for the season
Ps I've just got the black jersey for a £10 And it's perfect so get in.
04 Dec 2024 13:47:10
Seeing quite a few links to clubs looking at dalot.
That would be a great result for us if we could sell him.
A very average player not suited to a wing back role at all long term imo. Really poor crosser of the ball and suffers from severe concentration lapses.
Always gives his all but so did ralph milne.
1.) 04 Dec 2024 14:06:02
Ken,
I agree with you. The club needs to raise their standards aswell. I do believer others should leave before Dalot. However, Utd could do with the money, if the PSR rumours are to be believed.
2.) 04 Dec 2024 15:26:09
Psr rules are all changing MH. I've a lot less concerns around that going forward.
3.) 04 Dec 2024 15:38:46
When he gets into high positions up the pitch, his head explodes. If we could get an upgrade, would be great.
Not unhappy if he stays as a backup though.
4.) 04 Dec 2024 16:09:20
Decent back up angel but if we can get good money for him it might pay us to sell.
5.) 04 Dec 2024 16:34:49
It's almost unbelievable so many clubs want him, given he is cr4p. Maybe they see something in him.
6.) 04 Dec 2024 16:55:48
He's not crap Tony, far from it. But I believe we need better as first choice.
7.) 04 Dec 2024 17:18:33
He is decent back up at best i'd agree so if someone wants to buy him for 20m plus I think it would be a good deal for us.
He is good back up for Portugal. He has good attributes and would do well I'm sure.
Does he possess the attributes needed to play rwb for our manager I don't think so.
All the noise could be him angling for a new contract. If the coach thinks he fits the system he will get one i'm sure. I don't see him being happy if not regular starter once the team settled down.
8.) 05 Dec 2024 11:20:17
We need Davies.
9.) 05 Dec 2024 12:06:55
Steve Davis. snooker loopy.
10.) 05 Dec 2024 15:57:43
I wonder will anyone sign rashford ajh but you think he is crap so obviously not.
11.) 05 Dec 2024 18:57:45
I don't think Rashford is crap ken, I think he has amazing ability. However, his application and effort is poor and his head seems elsewhere, he's had long enough to fix it but doesn't seem able to.
12.) 05 Dec 2024 21:39:49
I agree. He just shirks any physical contact and work.
I really think he should move for his own good. I'd like to see him excel elsewhere but I don't think he has the drive.
13.) 05 Dec 2024 21:46:56
Far more valuable and problem assets in the squad than Dalot.
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10 Oct 2025 20:05:38
I wonder will tuchel being Bellingham to the wc.
Big call to leave him out of the squad this time. i'm not sure if its because he is only playing again after injury.
This will cover many column inches between now and the wc.
1.) 11 Oct 2025 00:12:06
Tuchel came out and said Bellingham needs more match fitness as he's failed to complete 90 minutes. I think there was also a suggestion he's experimenting in case, for whatever reason, Bellingham was to be injured for the World Cup, what our alternative options are.
He is our best midfielder but has had a slow start this season. I'm glad to see Tuchel willing to drop players who aren't playing at club level. Something Southgate didn't do. But he needs to find a way to get him back in.
2.) 11 Oct 2025 00:32:38
Tuchel will be our next manager, its all set up.
3.) 11 Oct 2025 06:55:35
The rumours us Bellingham is a bit Billy Big Boots, he's the man. He's clearly a great player but Tuchel seems very focused on the team as a whole, which is commendable.
4.) 11 Oct 2025 09:33:03
Bellingham isn't fully fit, and it doesn't hurt to bring other options in and see how they do.
The problem with always calling up the same players is that it means others get very limited chances and how often has an international team had to go to a major tournament without a key player due to injury? If that happens you want to know that whoever else gets called up in their place is good enough and fits well with the rest of the team.
Maybe Bellingham has an ego, and maybe Tuchel is sending him a message. But I expect it's more to do with fitness. No point calling him up if he isn't fully fit, better for the player, his club and his national side for him to stay with his club and work on his fitness. How often do we moan when a key player gets injured that we make them play too many games.
5.) 11 Oct 2025 18:36:49
You can see that in him AJH. Hence why England didn’t do well last tournament, all the hard work southgate did to create harmony Bellingham came in a fcked it all up because he was undroppable. There was a report of a split in the camp with the likes of Kane and older members not getting on with TAA and bellingham.
6.) 11 Oct 2025 19:34:00
Then the players need to grow up Nev for the greater good.
06 Oct 2025 20:07:22
There is 1 negative which is on the horizon but from what I interpreted it is also the here and now.
Mainoo.
The body language between him and amorim was very negative from mainoo.
The only way to keep the noise down is by winning games. If we are winning when he is not picked then a lot less will be said. But every time we don't win that will be the big debate.
He could make the England squad if playing weekly so its a big year for him perhaps a loan for 6 months will materialise for him if we can get the right player in.
If he does great and has a good wc then his value will increase and if bruno moves on he can slot right in or move on himself but at more favourable terms .
Either way if he is unhappy then its best I think to find a short term solution and show Weare willing to help him realise his dreams even though he is not 1st choice here at the moment.
If ra does well enough to stay on and mainoo is not his type of player then a sale in the summer has to happen imo.
1.) 06 Oct 2025 21:58:33
He would never be able to dislodge tuchels love child henderson in the squad.
Wharton can't get in and with exception of rice he's better than all the others mainoo has no hope.
2.) 07 Oct 2025 06:35:40
On a separate note, we have had an Academy player in every squad for the last 80 years, at the weekend, that was Mainoo.
Call me sentimental, but if that record breaks this year, I wil get gutted.
3.) 07 Oct 2025 08:29:48
I wouldn't give a toss if we win the game. Lad of sentimental crap imo. I doubt the record will fall a they will stick some kid in squad to uphold it. Which is a farce its happened plenty of times over the years.
4.) 07 Oct 2025 08:42:41
Just the one negative on the horizon Ken?
Send me over some of that happy juice you’re drinking ?.
5.) 07 Oct 2025 08:56:38
Eric I didn't say there was only 1 ut i see loads more positives than negatives within the business at the moment.
6.) 07 Oct 2025 08:59:16
I love the stat of having an acadamy playing in the squad for 80 years, at the moment and over periods during that time it is a
false impression with the acadamy players not really contributing.
I would be surprised if Amorim, who feels fully aware of the club history, would allow that record to break under his tenure. We regularly have youth players stepping up into the first team squad and I would expect that to continue if Mainoo was to be injured or go on loan.
Under Amorim we have seem Tyler Fredriksom, last year Chido Obi, Harry Amass. I think he wants to get players around the first team but feels like we are not in a position to experiment.
7.) 07 Oct 2025 09:34:22
Brad. If they are incudes on merit then fair enough but its like sales people padding their numbers. If we have better options then we have to use the better options.
Keeping the record alive by putting a kid on the beech with no intention of using him is daft its happened loads of times and renders the record useless to my mind.
8.) 07 Oct 2025 11:42:11
It's part of our identity amd history, of course it's important, particularly for people from Manchester. That's not a dig, but after 80 (almost 90) years, yes, we need to ensure we always have at least 1 Academy player in every match day squad. Jeez, squads are massive now, and this is a hill I eill die on.
9.) 07 Oct 2025 12:14:02
I get sentiment and it would be great to keep the record up if a place is merited by one of the graduates. But sticking a kid in with no hope of playing instead of a better player who may be needed is daft imo.
10.) 07 Oct 2025 12:24:07
That kid who is put on the bench to keep the record won't give 2 hoots that they are on it for the record, they will be buzzing that they have had the opportunity to be a part of the senior 1st team squad and want to have many more moments with them. And they would have certainly earnt that opportunity to be the player selected to be a part of the squad.
You take that away and the Academy players will not see a pathway to the senior side, you become a club where the best talent choose not to come here because there is no pathway for them. Heaven left Arsenal for 1st team opportunities. 'The opportunities that the young players have got here in the past, '
For all the criticism the club are getting, they shouldn't throw away the 1 positive and proud achievement they still have.
11.) 07 Oct 2025 12:48:13
If you think that's the only proud record and achievement that we have then we support different clubs.
Id say they came for money. Only 3 clubs in the epl have less academy graduates in their squad than United. So they might have a better chance in the other 16 of breaking through if that was their motivation for moving. In fact arsenal have more than us in their squad.
We can claim obi even though we bought him so he might prop up the record for a while.
We have more academy graduates from united in other clubs squads than we have in or own.
Nothing wrong with that at all. But it proves as a young player your likely to get more gametime elswehere.
12.) 07 Oct 2025 13:54:24
I'll entertain you Ken as I have a quiet day. What currently do we have that gives us bragging rights over every other club? Managers under constant scrutiny, owners are under constant scrutiny, team is under constant scrutiny, we are not currently league champions or cup holders? We have a really proud history we can look back at and be proud of but currently, the clubs image from an outside perspective is not a positive one.
We do have however, have a really proud record currently that no one can take away from us which we should be very keen to maintain.
Regarding young players coming to us for money, Heaven said it was for chances you players have had in the past, that's a quote from him. So you think we need to listen to players who know better than us unless they say something you don't thinks true? Gotcha.
13.) 07 Oct 2025 14:05:27
I think with Manioo it’s a question of the player he needs to become to get back into the starting 11. For me, he’s a young lad with a lot of pieces to his game that don’t fully fit together into a unified whole. Like, he’s good at lots of things, but needs to focus on being great at a few things.
The issue is that Amorim has decided that he’s in competition with Bruno, and that makes it very difficult for Manioo. I would love to see him focusing on becoming a top quality holding player. Neither Cas or Ugarte have proven themselves fit for that role. If Manioo can work hard on breaking up play, and developing his positional awareness, there should be nothing stopping him making that position his.
14.) 07 Oct 2025 14:58:40
If you think that gives us bragging rights i think your mad. i'm not sure anybody outside our club is even remotely interested or envious.
I think 1st team to win European cup
No other club has more league wins
Stadia with biggest capacity
Most supporters worldwide etc are all more significant and relevant talking points.
To be honest imo that's all a load of boloxollogy too as imo really its only the current season that matters what's gone before is yesterday's news.
All those imo significantly more rewarding and important.
Re heaven I've yet to see any player admit they signed for the money at united and I would not expect any player to.
Perhaps you should listen to the players re vvd but of course they are only his Dutch mates. ?? so listen when you want stick your fingers in your ears when you don't want to.
The club image will not be tarnished one bit if we selected the likes of zirzee instead of obi for the last spot on a bench.
Imo your talking complete nonsense.
If that record goes it won't effect share price league position cost us a goal etc.
If you were really trying to convince an academy kid to come you can say in 999 of 1000 matches we have had a graduate in the squad. If said player won't come because its not in all matches then he will have nowhere to go.
Mountain out of molehill but gives you another reason to moan.
15.) 07 Oct 2025 15:04:12
Danny mainoo has said he doesn't want to play as a 6. So if he doesn't want to and the manager doesn't want him to then what's the point.
I like mainoo I would have him play before bruno in that position but RA picks the team.
Id have rather cunha before mount on sat but the manager knows better than me.
Mainoo has not convinced RA. That's not my fault or yours its down to the player and the manager.
If he want from the academy he would have little support for his plight.
Sometimes your face just doesn't fit and it looks to me like mainoo would rather be elsewhere.
16.) 07 Oct 2025 15:41:26
For me, a player should want to play, whatever the position.
John O’Shea didn’t see himself as a left back, but took his opportunity there when he got the chance. The reality he’s facing is that Amorim has decided that Bruno is a central midfielder. He’s the captain and is never injured. That means Manioo won’t get a lot of opportunities, for better or worse.
The other midfield role is completely up for grabs. Cas doesn’t have the legs to do it, and Ugarte looks poor. A young player like Manioo should see this as an opportunity. He has the attributes to play in a deeper role, and the only thing stopping him is his desire to play there.
I’d just prefer young players to do everything to get into the starting 11, rather than look for a transfer if they don’t get exactly what they want.
17.) 07 Oct 2025 16:27:31
I'm surprised RA hasn't tried Bruno in front of a midfield 2 and in a 10 behind say Sesko and Mbeumo. you'd 3 more naturally in midfield with say Mainoo and Casemiro/ Ugarte and still get width from Dorgu and Diallo/ Dalot. Just think it gives more balance. Bruno can lurk around the penalty area/ arrive late more often.
18.) 07 Oct 2025 17:41:04
Supa we all have our preferences but he has his way.
We have seen a few slight tweaks in some of the games. Nothing too drastic so it will be interesting to see how he stiffens up the midfield for Liverpool. Salah due a good game i'm weary of him and that side defensively but see that side also as a weak link for them defensively too. Should be a good game.
19.) 07 Oct 2025 17:53:30
Im with you there Danny. Especially a young lad with everything to prove and the world at his feet. The thick sulky head on him coming on not looking at his manager when taking instructions was not nice to see imo.
Im a big fan he seems like a good lad but is not happy with not playing. I'm sure he feels hard done by and thinks he can contribute more than he's being allowed to. I hope everybody can sit down and find the best solution whatever that may be. i'd hate to see it turn into another garnacho situation.
Being there and not playing is imo and will continue to create negative noise.
20.) 07 Oct 2025 21:21:52
Every record is eventually broken
I was absolutely gutted when we lost our european home record to Fenerbache but we moved on.
21.) 08 Oct 2025 23:52:45
Mainoo is coming off as petty and lacking in grit imo. Good player but can’t do it in 2 man midfield.
The record - even if it’s a kid who isn’t ready being on the bench, they should be on the bench.
The record isn’t about the individual but about what the club stands for. It’s easy to say let it go if they’re not good enough but the message is so important to prospective players. We give youth a chance.
06 Oct 2025 19:54:19
7 games is not a big enough sample but versus last year at the same time so after 7 games
Liverpool Chelsea city arsenal Fulham West ham Newcastle forest Brentford and Brighton all have less points year on year.
Ourselves spurs palace and Everton have improved.
This is the 1st time since God knows when that we have been as close as we are 6 points from the leaders.
7 games as I said is a short comparison so I'll post the same comparison after 12 19 and 30 to try and track the one thing all of us unanimously agreed on and that was to see improvement season on season. This time lat year we were 10 points behind so have reduced that deficit by 40%.
The halfway point in the season will be a fairer and more accurate comparison as we will have played everybody as will all others.
But for the time being let's not pretend we are worse under amorim than we were under eth last season in fact we are better in nearly every single metric in attacking play.
So the fact is we are making progress.
Its miles from perfect and a long way from consistently good but we are moving in a positive direction.
If we can hang on to the coat tails and be within 4 or 5 points of the top 4 when the window opens i hope we can get at least of of our targets in Jan.
Im not all sunshine and roses and I still think we are capable of losing 3 on the bounce or drawing from winning positions but i'm hopeful.
We have looked very vulnerable at times so we do need to take our chances and let's hope lammens turns out to be solid. Anfield will be a baptism of fire for his 1st away game.
1.) 07 Oct 2025 06:59:43
Seriously Tumbleweed. You’re using metrics and logic over raw emotion! Whatever next. Surely choice of ‘formation’ is far more important than evidence of progress.
As Alan Hansen once famously said: You never win anything with 3-4-3.
2.) 07 Oct 2025 07:47:09
Love the optimism ken.
3.) 08 Oct 2025 23:54:04
Grasping but if we can but a sustained run of good performances I could be convinced.
06 Oct 2025 16:43:03
I read a very interesting stat the other day that only 3 players in the epl have both 10 or more league goals and 5 or more assists this calendar year.
Salah mbeumo and haaland.
To be honest i thought there would be more than 3 to have that achievement.
I thought Cole palmer bruno or saka would have at least that.
Seems like 3 people is very few.
06 Oct 2025 09:22:27
Best moment of the match on Saturday for me was when Lammens went up to catch a cross. He got a cheer as load as for a goal.
When you consider that for 2 1/ 2 seasons now we have had virtually no goal keeper.
Too early to say if he is the answer but he has fit to be better than the last couple.
He will have a much tougher day at andield.
2 clean sheets on his 1st 2 games would be some start?.
1.) 06 Oct 2025 09:50:09
I agree Ken, and I also think we will see more composed defending by the defence knowing they have a GK behind them they can trust. I also liked the fact that he didn't mess about trying to play out from the back, he laced it when needed. Whether this was a deliberate tactic for Sesko to get flick ons I don't know but again it just removed unnecessary pressure on the defence. I'm gutted there's an international break now with Liverpool being out of sorts.
2.) 06 Oct 2025 10:51:47
Not only that Ken, but he was a lot more vocal than the other 2. Organising defenders and shouting instructions. Had one head loss when he came out and missed the ball but other than that he look composed. Bigger tests ahead but positive start.
3.) 06 Oct 2025 10:52:28
Bayindir or Onana could be called Dracula the amount they are scared of crosses.
Its nice to have a keeper that can come and claim one without either getting bullied or clattering into the player and conceding a penalty. Who knew watching someone do the basics right could be so exciting.
4.) 06 Oct 2025 11:05:27
Agree Ken, all basic stuff that we should not be worried about in a goalkeeper but we have had to worry about for the past few years.
Hopefully it contiunes and it will breed confidence for the defence which will help them improve.
5.) 06 Oct 2025 13:38:27
Lammens looked really composed and assured. Pretty great for a 22 year old making his debut for the world's biggest football club.
Yoro 19, Heaven 19, De Ligt 26. These 4 could be a settled back unit for many years to come.
I do think in time Yoro might move to the centre of the three and de Ligt to the right.
Also good to see Utd now have a striker who can score. Two in two games.
6.) 06 Oct 2025 14:18:04
MancMan, I really like Sesko, and I'm really glad we signed him. He clearly has all the attributes, and I reckon he will become a seriously good centre forward. But it is very early days. He has scored 2 in 2 games, but he also has 2 in 8 games. In his first season at United, once he got off the mark, Hojlund scored 6 in 6 games in the league. Interestingly, Hojlund now has 4 in 6 games for Napoli. I wonder if there is any way United can keep him next season and rotate him Sesko. I would certainly prefer Sesko plus Hojlund with a great season in Italy under his belt over Sesko and Zirkzee.
7.) 06 Oct 2025 17:21:28
Lets not forget Gilly, you say 2 in 8 games but about half those games he only appeared as a late sub. I believe his total minutes played are only about 390 so it represents just over 4 full games.
Furthermore, having missed preseason training his fitness levels were clearly below the required levels.
He will, of course, succeed or fail in his role as striker partly based on the level of service he receives from his teammates. On Saturday, particularly first half, he looked good having received a good level of service. It was quite clear that Lammens had been instructed to play the ball long and not play out to the back all the time.
I totally agree with your Hojlund comments, would like to see him return. I did post a couple of times in the summer stating I did not want to see him sold as the service he had received was dreadful and essentially non existent. I think he was totally let down and scapegoated. Two decent strikers would most certainly be beneficial.
02 Sep 2025 20:53:06
He will hand plenty of defending to do. Good experience for him. Hope he plays regularly. i'm sure he will as they are short of good players. They were big club with lots of good players at one time. I really hope they find a way out of the mess they are in.
30 Aug 2025 09:44:56
Turkey on loan or Saudi beckons if he doesn't lower his demands.
These players are taking bback control and are refusing what they don't want.
Its a real conundrum.
Easy to stay stick him in the reserves but there are unintended consequences by doing that. Such as buying a keeper or midfielder.
28 Aug 2025 01:05:52
He did OK first half hour or was all to fat for him and he was or but found his feet. To be expected not played for a while.
Awful team performance needless to say i would expect a lot better.
Keeper is a joke.
Midfield and wing backs were shocking.
21 Aug 2025 18:03:14
Eth didn't sign sancho. He inherited him. i'm no eth fan but we can't blame him on sancho.
18 Aug 2025 21:50:56
The issue is slightly different as I understand it.
He has made it clear to clubs he is willing to take a lower wage but he wants a pay off from united for the last year of his contract of up to £10m which the club don't want to give him.
He feels he is entitled to it and contractually he is.
He knows if we don't sell him we will have to loan him and cover the wages anyhow.
Both parties playing hard ball waiting on the other to blink 1st.
So in the end they will both comprise somewhat. He will get 5m as a pay off that will leave a loss on the books on his exit which we don't want or need.
Messy situation if we were under no psr restrictions and were cash rich he'd have been fine long ago with his cheque.
15 Oct 2025 21:48:18
Arnie and Danny divito.
15 Oct 2025 15:58:07
Who cares what he says?
He is paid to give his opinion amd make noise.
If you listen to any of them and take what they say to beat your mad.
Merson failed manager. Badly
Neville failed managers. Badly
Keane failed manager Badly.
I think scholes did it for a few weeks at Salford Badly.
None are in a position where they have won anything as a manager.
I would love a manager live on sky after neville has been critical to ask neville 'if you think we are doing bad can you share from your expertise on what you did to turn things around at valencia'? i'd like to see him squirming at that one live on tv.
14 Oct 2025 16:12:45
Hoping for a win. Happy enough with a draw. I think they are there for the taking. 1st goal will be crucial and we will have to withstand a big onslaught.
A real baptism of fire for lammens in his 1st away game.
They need a win and i'd expect them to raise their game so we will need to do likewise.
Looking forward to it.
11 Oct 2025 12:24:32
No definitely not.
10 Oct 2025 20:12:22
I like to see any ex player doing well as long as we are not adversely affected.
Very few players get to play for united that are not good but not everybody can be good at united.
He failed to impress and deliver here and that's not because he can't play . He just didn't play that well in our team. There are any amount of reasons for that.
Mist players that leave do well elsewhere including the ex academy guys because if you're at united you are in the elite percentile most of the time. It should be no surprise that any player that leaves does well somewhere else. They are all very good players.