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02 Mar 2022 23:34:16
Ancelotti is being touted as a possible Utd manager. What are peoples thoughts about him?

Salford7

1.) 02 Mar 2022 23:39:31
He’s great.


2.) 03 Mar 2022 05:16:06
Good manager but seems unrealistic. That he’d leave Madrid. Feel like it’s just links to make it seem like we looked other than Poch.


3.) 03 Mar 2022 08:35:54
im still in shock he went everton, they had a top manager and didn't use him.

he could have with some investment and time made them a decent team.


4.) 03 Mar 2022 08:58:58
No thanks, for the job we need done he'd be completely the wrong man.


5.) 03 Mar 2022 10:16:31
Good manager, but I would put him in the same category as Zidane. Someone who is tactically flexible and is good at getting the best out of a team of talented ego's who may have lost a little drive or direction.

Not the kind of manager to perform a rebuild, develop young players, create a distinct style of play etc.


6.) 03 Mar 2022 13:08:42
agree shappy, he's a decent manager but he's a manager of 10-15 years ago

hopefully he's not one of the choices.


7.) 03 Mar 2022 16:53:30
He wasn't on the list of managers that ED002 provided us with.


8.) 04 Mar 2022 23:57:57
Shappy, Good manager, but I would put him in the same category as Zidane. Someone who is tactically flexible and is good at getting the best out of a team of talented ego's. Isn't that exactly what you need?


 

 

02 Dec 2021 22:36:29
So Carrick departs. suggests either he has a potential job offer or that the new manager wants a clean sweep.

Salford7

1.) 03 Dec 2021 02:11:10
I think it’s possible he just wanted a break. He got a ton of stick for the last few months under Ole and probably didn’t see the fans accepting him. Or maybe he was in line for assistant after Phelan and now there’s no chance of that.


2.) 03 Dec 2021 06:41:33
We should applaud Carrick, he is not waiting around to be paid off, had the courage to go before pushed. Well done Michael. If only Phelan, McKenna and co had the same conviction.

I watched Carrick and the player was quality, his way of leaving quality.


3.) 03 Dec 2021 07:39:57
Agree Red Man. Did a great job at keeping us on track once Ole was sacked, and leaves with his had held high. Fine midfielder for us too in his day and think he will be in demand when he decides to return to the dugout for a decent championship club.


4.) 03 Dec 2021 08:27:42
15 years service to the club. He will be as disappointed as any of us with the last few years but stuck around to help the club in the last 3 games. Great player and classy guy.


5.) 03 Dec 2021 08:57:22
Agree Redman. Plus not wanting a long emotional goodbye shows the class of the guy.


6.) 03 Dec 2021 09:33:13
Class act in every respect and very underrated as a player by many. How we could do with him in the team today. Seems he genuinely just wanted a break and after 15 years service nobody can begrudge him.


7.) 03 Dec 2021 09:39:30
The guy deserves a flag or maybe even a statute ?

On a serious note I think it just makes sense that he walks away while his stock is at it's highest. As a caretaker he won in Spain against Villarreal, drew at Stamford bridge against top to the table Chelsea, and beat Arsenal at home.

I mean 10 days ago we'd have snatched their hand off if we were offered those results given how we had played so far this season.

Results wise I don't think he could have done any better.

Maybe a few other sides might look at that and think he's worth a gamble.

Whereas if he stayed until the end of the season and then Rangnick and the club decided he wasn't good enough and he was sacked, it'd make getting his next job much harder.

Or maybe he feels his friend and former boss was unfairly sacked and is simply walking away on principal.

Who knows, but he was a fantastic player for us, and he has no doubt tried his best as a coach. It's hard to tell how good he is as the whole set up just wasn't working. Maybe he's a better coach than many give him credit for, or maybe he isn't good enough for the highest level.

I do wish him the best of luck in his future endeavours and he will always be welcomed back at Old Trafford.


8.) 03 Dec 2021 10:13:27
How embarrassing it was to read so many continually slagging him off as a player. You know who you are. Good luck Michael. Thank you.


9.) 03 Dec 2021 10:48:42
i doubt he's got any jobs in line.

dont forget him and the others that were with ole are just as to blame for the poor season so far. why mkenna is still there and phelan i do not know.


10.) 03 Dec 2021 11:02:42
Bolger,

We literally have no idea what jobs the staff were doing or whether Ole was listening to them or delegating or just making all the big decisions himself. McKenna is highly rated and working with the right manager will hopefully so well at the club. I’m not sure phelan will last too much longer.

Carrick has done a good job in the last couple of weeks, it can’t have been easy and he’s managed to steady what was very much a sinking ship at Watford, so fair play. It gives Ralf something to work with straight away and a bit of confidence going into Sunday. He will then have a week on the training ground with the players, hopefully he plays kids against Young Boys and sees if any of them are ready, Fernandez, Amad, Hannibal, Mengi, Elanga perhaps, just to take a look at them and give the first team a week of coaching in his new system before the mad Christmas run.


11.) 03 Dec 2021 12:11:08
i have respect for Carrick for his handling of the last couple of weeks and his playing career especially.

Am just a little disappointed he didn't decide to learn from Rangnick for 6 months and then take his break.

It would have been completely different philosophy and training ideas compared to Jose and Ole and he could have benefited from that immensely.

On the other hand I can understand why he feels it is the right time to leave.
Probably a huge learning curve involved and thus even less time for his family and probably would still have had to endure the stick from the fans.

All the best, let's hope he does evolve into a more expansive style of play before he comes back to the club as manager.


12.) 03 Dec 2021 13:12:01
Jonny, I think that's a really great point. Many of the world's top managers have learned a lot from Rangnick. Carrick may have just passed up the learning opportunity of a life time.


13.) 03 Dec 2021 19:13:19
Classy player and even more of a classy man. He leaves with his held high to spend some quality time with his family. i wish him the best in whatever the future holds for him.


14.) 04 Dec 2021 09:32:18
Ralf wanted to keep him but sometimes you just need a break from the intensity of it all I guess. Who knows after a 6 month sabbatical the new manager may want to bring him back on board.
Personally I think if he does want to pursue a career in coaching it would do him no harm to search for a role abroad in Spain, Germany or Italy and learn away from the spotlight.


15.) 07 Dec 2021 05:36:51
Every post about MC is spot on but to be honest I think he also feels responsible for the slump and decided a clean break and fresh start for everyone was best.


 

 

22 Nov 2020 23:43:25
If there are any legs in the press stories about Juve wanting Pogba and Inter wanting to swap Fred with Ericsson I would be up for that. Then I would go all out to get Declan Rice to be the new Matic.

Salford7

{Ed002's Note - (a) They might be interested at the right price. (b) Inter want Eriksen moved on as soon as possible, preferably in January. If Manchester United were interested it would be as a Bruno Fernandes replacement.}


1.) 23 Nov 2020 10:19:05
Last year I was hoping United would sign Eriksen as we need an attacking midfielder. However, Bruno is our best player by a mile and VDB (while not getting much game time so far) is a great replacement for him as well as others in our midfield.

I'd much rather see us sign a defensive midfielder who is an improvement on Fred and Matic. The issue is we have too many players already so adding to that would be a problem.


2.) 23 Nov 2020 10:27:36
What happened with Eriksen Ed? Seems to have lost his way?

{Ed002's Note - It has not worked out and he is not a natural fit in the side and has asked to leave.}


3.) 23 Nov 2020 11:24:25
I like Eriksson. But now with bruno they fill the same role essentially so no need to go for him now.
Although there could all be clubs in for bruno soon enough and he may well get tempted to leave so maybe not a futile link.


4.) 23 Nov 2020 11:31:24
Not to sound too cryptic Ed but do we need to be looking at Bruno Fernandes replacements?

{Ed002's Note - It is not a position Manchester United are looking to add to right now as far as I understand.}


5.) 23 Nov 2020 11:34:44
Ed002 that is probably the second or third time you have mentioned a player being a Bruno Fernandes replacement. Is something going on with Bruno behind the scenes with him may be leaving the club soon?

{Ed002's Note - People keep asking about AM players who would be first choice - the only way that would work is if BF were moving on.}


6.) 23 Nov 2020 12:00:09
Ah ok, understood. Thanks Ed.


7.) 23 Nov 2020 12:39:45
Grass isn't always greener Eric79.


8.) 23 Nov 2020 21:06:54
I’d Eriksen for Pogba.


9.) 24 Nov 2020 00:46:36
Thanks Ed 02 for your reply. Could not Bruno and Ericsson work together a bit like De Bruyne and Silva did for City?

{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely.}


10.) 26 Nov 2020 11:26:56
He’s even slower than Matic. Finished as a decent player years ago.


 

 

13 May 2020 00:01:31
There are rumours that Angel Gomez migjt snub Utds offers and sign for Chelsea. I would be really upset to see such a talented young player leave. He needs a run in the team to prove himself. How can we afford to lose talent like his?

Salford7

1.) 13 May 2020 00:20:29
Umm probably because he won't sign a contract.

We just signed bruno who everyone is rightly raving about, there are strong links with grealish.

Also for half of the season we had lingard and pereira being chosen ahead of him for every game.

I am not surprised if he wants out and i wish him all the best.


2.) 13 May 2020 04:05:58
All the best to him. Although I don't see him getting much game time at Chelsea either. They have twice the amount of midfielders than we do all around his age looking to break into the first team.


3.) 13 May 2020 08:07:56
The concerns amongst the training staff are about his ability to cope with the EPL physically. Now while superior ability can beat physicality, the player needs to be clever enough to know how to do so. While our coaching staff can see what Gomes is capable of against EPL players every day in training.

This season his competition for places was probably as weak as he will ever have while playing for a top side. An ageing Mata, an out of form Lingard and Andreas Pereira who isn't good enough.

Since the the club have signed Bruno Fernandes and are looking at players like Grealish who would further push Gomes down the peaking order.

He is a clearly talented lad, but he needs to play a season or two of "mens" football either in the championship or in a league such as the Dutch or Portuguese league to develop his understanding and ability to cope physically with a much more demanding style of football.

To that end maybe a move to a club like Chelsea who will invariably loan him out for a year or two might be a good move. Or he will sign a new deal with us and hopefully follow a similar path.


4.) 13 May 2020 09:34:16
Invariably loan him out? Sorry Shappy, but Lampard will give him a chance if he's good enough.


5.) 13 May 2020 09:56:48
RJ28P as would ole but simple fact of the matter is he’s shown nothing when given a chance to warrant more starts.


6.) 13 May 2020 11:00:04
Gomes is very talented, but if anyone has watched him in the u23s especially this season, he’s not warranted a promotion to the first team on those performances. If he goes to Chelsea, good luck to him.

Also you have to ask where he fits in the team? Better player than Andreas and lingard potentially but he’s not really shown much yet. Bruno is top quality so he doesn’t get in there either. I don’t think he’s in the same class as Greenwood either.

A talent, but not sure if he’s going to be as big of a loss as many say.


7.) 13 May 2020 11:52:30
RJ28P, Well that's my point, if he was putting in the performances at United in training then he would be given a chance in the first team.

At United he only had Lingard, Mata and Andreas Pereira to get past before we signed Bruno.

He can play either on the wing or in the No.10 position. Chelsea tend to play either 433 or 4231, so Gomes would be competing for a wide role in a 433 or in any of the three positions between the midfield and the striker in a 4231. So he will be competing with Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Barkley, Pedro and Pulisic. Plus any other players Chelsea sign this summer.

Chelsea have an extensive history of signing young players and loaning them out. Gomes needs games every week, and currently he isn't consistent enough to do that at the top end of the EPL. So he needs a loan wherever he plays next season.


8.) 13 May 2020 13:00:49
RJ Lampard will give him a chance at the expense of whom?


9.) 13 May 2020 14:26:56
Pedro, Willian and Barkley will all likely be gone next season. And with respect, the reason why he isn't playing is because he is running his contract down, like Sancho did at City.
I've watched Gomes a lot (being fortunate enough to have access to a lot of youth games) and he's a talent on par with Hudson-Odoi and Saka if given the consistent minutes.
That said, it seems like the relationship at Utd has soured and it is right for the player to move on.


10.) 13 May 2020 14:48:12
Your right red whisky that goal in pre season against spurs didn’t show any promise. Haha. how many opportunities did he get in the number 10 position with the rest of the 1st 11 also playing.


11.) 13 May 2020 16:32:52
RJ, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume you are right about the three you mentioned. You think Gomes will slot into their MF ahead of Kante, Mount, Pulisic, Loftus, Kovacic, Gilmour, Odoi, Jorgino or Ziyach?


12.) 13 May 2020 17:51:31
Sorry pogthedog he scored one goal in a pre season match. I presume you have unlimited access to the training sessions to say he deserves a chance? Like shappy said if you don’t show enough in training to usurp the likes of pereira and Lingard then there must be a reason why he’s not playing. Ole has been a huge advocate of playing the youth and giving chances. Chong got minutes whilst refusing to sign so I find the idea he’s not playing because of refusing to sign irrelevant.


13.) 13 May 2020 19:32:41
He can certainly play wide in rotation with Odoi, Pulisic and Ziyech. As for pure no. 10s, the only one we have is Ziyech, Mount is better when allowed to sit a little deeper.


14.) 14 May 2020 00:55:21
I like gomes but the lad has reportedly been offered 30k.
Football can be simple, greenwood produced gomes hasn't. 30k and what else should we offer him?


15.) 14 May 2020 00:56:06
My worry is that if teams like Chelsea and Barcelona want to take him what is it that they feel they can get out of him that Ole cannot.

I understand all the points raised by you guys. On one hand if he was performing at a very high level then you would think that he would get a chance to shine in the first team. He is obviously not pulling up any trees but he is young and it must be terribly frustrating if you feel that you do not have rhe managers full confidence and are not going to get a run of games to settle in and prove how good you are.

We are all very happy and surprised at how well an established international £60m player like Bruno has done in such a short time. Yet he has lots of experience and is older than Gomez. Why then do people ezpect a younger player to come into the first team and immediately perform to a high level? Also on the rare times Gomez got a game it was when the team were still struggling. I really do feel he should be given the chance to make it at Utd. I know he is not quite the same player as Grealish but I think he has more natural talent.

For me the way to go would be to give him a decent contract and send him on loan for a season. He would get the games he needs, toughen up physically, and he might appreciate how special it is to have the facilities of and play for Utd. Beckham was loaned out and it didn't hurt his prospects.


16.) 14 May 2020 07:50:19
Salford, the issue is that he clearly hasn't done enough in training to convince he should start ahead of anyone else.

Under other managers you could say that maybe they don't give youth a chance. But Ole has given more than given youth a chance. People also forget that Gomes was given three starts in the Europa League, often against weaker opposition than we play most weeks in the EPL. How did Gomes do in those games? Occasional glimpses of talent, but drifted in and out of the game far too much.

If he can't do it against the likes of Astana then he will struggle against the Everton's, Spurs, Burnley's and Sheffield United's of the EPL.

He is a hugely talented player, but he isn't ready to play at the level we play at. He needs a loan or two in order to develop.

Unfortunately his contact is about to run out and he doesn't want to sign a new deal. Maybe making his debut at 16 has made him inpatient, maybe he has been told he will get more elsewhere.

Who knows. His size will hold him back in the EPL until he learns how to mitigate his lack of physicality. In youth football if you're quick you can avoid physical battles to an extent, but men's football is played at a faster pace, and quick feet alone will not get you out of trouble. You need to read the game well and position yourself in the right areas and be two steps ahead of the opposition.

It's not a case of him just bulking up, although he does look like he could be tackled by a stiff breeze. He needs to learn how to play in the men's game. He is best off doing that on loan as he will need to play 20-30 games a season to start to learn that. He can't get that here with him playing as he has done. So a loan is the solution.

If he signs for Chelsea he will almost certainly leave on loan at some point. As they are in the same boat as us.
If he signs for Barcelona I don't see him getting a huge amount of game time. They don't tend to play with a No.10 so he would be competing for one of the wide forward roles, against Messi, Dembele, Griezmann, Fati and Braithwaite, plus whoever else the club sign this summer. With Neymar being a key target.

He needs a season in the Championship, or to move to a more technical league in Europe on loan. Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium could all be good options.

I hope he makes it, whether that's with us or somewhere else. But it's a long road yet, and he needs to realise that if he is going to make the most of his potential.


17.) 14 May 2020 10:57:20
Sadly for me, Greenwood and Williams aside this is a very underwhelming crop of youngsters, referring to those of the age where they would expect to be getting chances in the first team and making an impression. I've seen Chong the most and he has shown nothing but a haircut I'm afraid. I don't buy the fact that Gomes' size is a problem either but neither has he done enough to suggest that he is any better than the thousands of other kids clubs of this magnitude scout every season. If the tens of thousands he wants every week aren't sufficient let him go, I'm sure we'll resign him for £50m in a few years!


18.) 14 May 2020 15:32:34
Spenno, most young players don't really start to have a regular impact until they are 21/ 22 years old after a season or two as squad players.

In that respect the likes of Rashford and McTominay are starting to reach that level of impact. While Henderson could when he returns from his loan, as could Tuanzebe if he can stay injury free.

However, the likes of Greenwood and Williams are ahead of where they would normally expect for players of their ages. While the likes of Laird, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Chong and Gomes still have huge potential, but are probably a year or two away from making a serious impact in the first team beyond a few games.

That's 12 young players in total who have a chance to make a telling impact in our first team within the next few years. That's insane and at levels not really seen outside of Ajax or Barcelona.

While we have also signed AWB and Shaw who were two of the best young players in the league when we signed them. Dan James from the Championship. While we are chasing players such as Rice, Rodon, Sancho, Bellingham, Grealish etc some of the best young British talent around.

I would say we have two great groups of young players in our squad. The older group of players between the ages of 21-24 including; Henderson, Tuanzebe, AWB, Shaw, McTominay, Rashford, James and Martial.

With a younger group between 17-20 including; Larid, Williams, Dalot, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Mejbri, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood.

Giving us 18 EIGHTEEN! players at our club who have a good chance of making it as at least good squad players, with some of them having genuine world class potential.


 

 

 

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10 Feb 2024 23:15:22
I think Toney is exactly the type of player we need. Experienced strong can bring others into play and doesn't miss many chances. Would be a big help to Hoijlund.

Salford7

1.) 11 Feb 2024 02:34:39
Ideally like city or Madrid you want 2 very good players for each position.
The problem we have is that we probably have when all are fully fit only 5 or 6 top class players (potentially) to fill the 1st 11.
2 of them are teenagers and one is 21. Which is why I say potentially top class.
We then have a few that are playing 1st 11 that imo ideally would be 2nd choice. The rest imo are vulnerable to sale.
If we are going to play with 1 dedicated striker we need 2 top class options in a 60 game season so it's likely both will start enough games each and will play weekly from bench when not starting more often than not.
Toney has good attributes for sure but I'm not sure he is mobile enough and imo lacks a lot technically. So if you play him or rasmus then the whole team has to play differently. I think they will look for a more like for like type player.
Behind the 2 chosen strikers you need a youth and possibly someone in the wide areas that can step in if required in emergency. Like rashford has done.
Imo in the summer we need a new starting keeper.
A new starting rb
A new starting cb
Anew starting no6
A new starting cf
Hard to see all that happening.
I've no idea who the club are interested in but I do know for a fact that they hold a strong interest in Ferguson from Brighton and I think he would be the ideal foil for rasmus. With enough football for both of them even assuming they are both fit every week. If you look at the stats not too many cf start more than 30 games a season. So no issue having 2 top options in that position in fact it's a must.
Gk may have to wait given the investment made last season but onana needs to do a whole lot better.
If awb goes then we need to buy a starter to compete with dalot.
If martinez can stay fit we need to buy a starter to play beside him.
We need a dedicated no6 imo. As a priority. I think cas will be sold mctom is a good candidate to be sold too assuming vdb and hannibal leave it would leave only Bruno mount and mainoo as recognised midfielders in the squad. So how they are going to sort that mess out on a limited budget is going to be interesting.
Getting cl football would make things a little easier.
I'm really looking forward to the summer. There are so many changes afoot that none of us have a clue what's going to happen.
Will we have a new coach?
Who will leave from the playing squad?
Will we see a couple of players leave that we didn't expect or want to leave? Bruno? Rashford? Shaw?
Will eth stay and sign fdj?
Who will be our dof?
Should be great craic?.


2.) 11 Feb 2024 04:54:16
Good post.


3.) 11 Feb 2024 11:04:18
Might be better to avoid any European football for a season; easier with a smaller squad and easier to move on players wanting European football.


4.) 11 Feb 2024 23:22:02
We cannot afford to miss out on europe. don't think people understand how bad our finances are after so much wasteful spending in the past 5 years or so. Huge fees with no sell on potential, crazy wages for players who are not good enough. When we do move a player on we have to give them away because no other team will meet their wage demands. We need UCL. Missing out on Europa would be terrible.


 

 

29 Jan 2024 04:16:04
Even though he has only led Liverpool to one league trophy would you have wanted Klopp as our manager?

I would because for me he shoots from the hip and I think he is an honest up front guy and his teams play attacking football. He has in general bought well whilst also given youth its chance to flourish.

Salford7

1.) 29 Jan 2024 06:13:26
In a heartbeat. One of the best managers of all time.


2.) 29 Jan 2024 07:34:03
Yes because he’s a good manager who plays good football, despite a lack of trophies and the annoying excuses he makes about grass and wind.

He hasn’t bought well himself has he. The club buys the players. They perhaps got a tad lucky with how Salah turned out with him supposedly not being first choice. Liverpool have equally signed some stinkers for big money during Klopp’s time, but again that’s largely down to the club to agree a transfer fee, not the manager.

You can’t dispute the PL and CL trophies he’s added to their cabinet, and he’d have more if it weren’t for team 115. A bit like our team of the 2008-2012 era, who coincidentally also didn’t win as much as they could due to a Pep team.


3.) 29 Jan 2024 08:00:02
Unless you use winning as a criteria redseven.


4.) 29 Jan 2024 10:28:53
Absolutely, I don't see any reason why we would not have wanted him especially when you consider how our time has been whilst he has been at the scousers.
Could he have been more successful, yes. Has he galvanised the club, fans, yes.
Would he have been able to overcome the Glazers, maybe. I think he has the personality to have overcome some of the problems in the same way that Sir Alex did. Our recruitment may have still been poor as I think the collective at Liverpool is more involved in bringing players in.
Not sure what his next move will be but expect that he will be successful.


5.) 29 Jan 2024 12:15:53
Wazza. I’d argue that they’ve bought extremely well. Allison, Van Dick, Salah…. you don’t buy better spines than that. The old boys he’s bought in have largely been successful too. Yes, he’s had a few flops, but which club doesn’t. Gakpo hasn’t really hit the heights yet, but he was a far better option to me than Antony. By and large I’d say Klopp’s business has been extremely successful.


6.) 29 Jan 2024 12:43:29
Yeah he's done really well I think fireman c and wazza.
While he has not brought the amount of trophies in that he possibly could have and should have.
He woke the club up and brought a new style of play.
He is a man of the people a players manager and a fans manager. The media loved him too.
I don't buy into he was lucky with salah. You don't get that good with luck. Sure not every signing hits the great heights but Allison vvd Robertson fabhino Diaz mane too name a few have been outstanding.
He has spent 1.3 billion I believe not an insignificant sum over 9 years.
Huge respect for how he has turned the club around again and has them competing at the very top but he has not turned them into serial winners. Perhaps his final season will improve his record significantly. Or perhaps it won't and he won't go down as a legend in the stats book.
I think united have won more trophies during his tenure than Liverpool did. Notwithstanding he bagged 2 bigger ones.
Wenger won 3 titles when injured were at their peak Jose won 2. So Liverpool only winning one when city were at their peak is not the best return.
Pep is a monster coach. Imo probably the best of all time.
Let's hope we get the next young bright coach who is innovative successful and inspiring as pep.


7.) 29 Jan 2024 13:24:04
Yes, but one of the best of all time? I'm not seeing that. In the EPL era alone we have SAF, Jose, Benger, Pep, all well ahead of him.


8.) 29 Jan 2024 13:24:55
Ken, I simply mean luck in that he wasn't first choice, he was supposedly third choice.

I very much believe that you make your own luck. Had they got their first or second choice, things might have been different. Salah has been their best player and it's reasonable to say only Ronaldo or Messi would've had the same or a bigger impact.


9.) 29 Jan 2024 13:54:48
KLOPP.
"After 9 years and 4 trophies I have run out of (energy) excuses".

SAF.
"After 27 years and 38 trophies I was fine son". ??.


10.) 29 Jan 2024 15:55:23
It would be Pep that would have taken a sabbatical again if Klopp was at Utd with the correct conditions. Klopp with Utd’s finacial muscle would have been unbeatable.


11.) 29 Jan 2024 16:05:28
Brilliant post Fizz.


12.) 29 Jan 2024 17:07:46
Yes, but clearly Klopp knew which was the better run cub, as did Pep.


13.) 29 Jan 2024 19:08:59
If he hadn't come up against one of the best teams ever seen in English football, he'd probably be up there.


14.) 29 Jan 2024 20:31:57
He seems like a great guy, but he wouldn't have won anything at United. He's had phenomenal support from a very well run club behind him at Liverpool which has allowed him to focus on what he's good at.

At United he'd have been burned out within 18 months having to constantly put out fires. He'd have been another one chucked out as a flop, told he's not good enough when in truth every manager has been set up to fail at United for the last decade.


15.) 29 Jan 2024 22:30:15
Shappy, why wouldn’t Klopp have won “anything” at United, but other managers have?


16.) 30 Jan 2024 16:10:13
Redseven

How could he be one of the best off all time. He has won very little. I agree one of the best in the last 10 years but never in the all time discussion. Zidane won atreble cl trophies and a bubch of domestic stuff. Is he he all time great?


17.) 30 Jan 2024 18:03:43
Wazza, Klopp saw pretty much the ENTIRE squad changed by the end of his third summer transfer window. Only Gomez, Milner, Henderson, Firmino and Origi were still at the club 3 summers on from the 25 man squad that Klopp took over. The other 20 players sold, booted out, shown the door and replaced with players who suited how Klopp wanted his side to play.

Jose wanted rid of Martial, Ole sent him on loan to Sevilla, Rangnick told the club that Martial should be let go, and finally it looks like nine years after signing him and after at least three managers have tried to move him on he will leave this summer when his contract elapses.

Do you really think our club with the players we had, and how we've been ran would have been able to build the kind of squad Klopp would need to be successful?

No chance, and we saw with Klopp that he NEEDED to build a side to make them successful. He joined Liverpool in October 2015, and won his first trophy with Liverpool in June 2018.

Two and a half years and having bought 13 players.

I'm not saying Klopp hasn't been a great manager for Liverpool. What I'm saying is he wouldn't have been given the tool to succeed at United like he has been at Liverpool. As such he would almost certainly have performed worse with our club and would likely have been sacked before the end of his third season after he has been given 6 or 7 singings, most not his choice or his 3rd or 4th choices. At which point he'd have failed to get our lazy players to do the work his high energy style demands. Which would have led to him getting sacked.

The simple fact is United have not been a club where success has really been an option due to how terribly we've been ran.


18.) 30 Jan 2024 18:56:40
Shappy, the side he would’ve taken over at United was better than Liverpool at the time.

You can’t talk in definites about something that is impossible to prove.


19.) 30 Jan 2024 22:08:03
Oh yes he can.


 

 

09 Jan 2024 19:48:22
Brighton signing a talented boca left sided player for small money. Hats off to them.

Salford7

1.) 09 Jan 2024 21:03:03
Yep.
Valentin Barco might well be the signing of the window, I'm so jealous I could ****.


2.) 10 Jan 2024 09:42:01
Guess this is a player who'll be moving for a top team for approaching £100m in a few seasons :D.


3.) 10 Jan 2024 13:05:43
Talented, and “signing off the window”. We NEED this guy.

Why are our scouts so incompetent that they can’t even read an internet forum to identify such obvious signings? ?.

{Ed002's Note - You are embarrassing yourselves - Manchester United have never had any interest in the player.}


4.) 10 Jan 2024 13:58:26
Dont worry Wazza i understood your sarcasm.


5.) 10 Jan 2024 14:46:32
I'm always gutted when we miss out on a player I've never heard of!


6.) 10 Jan 2024 17:17:39
Brighton tend to do well when scouting these lesser known players, or at least ones that aren't regulars in the print media rumour columns.

A combination of good scouting with a clear focus on what they are looking for. The also benefits from the advantage of being considered a smaller club, so they tend to be able to negotiate fair or even really good deals for these players.

While for the players it gives them a chance to play EPL football for a side that plays good football. Getting regular game time at a club that has a growing reputation for developing players.

For Brighton its a great model, in that they buy 4 or 5 players for 2-15m typically. While they've managed to regularly turn 2-3 of those signings into top players, the likes of which they wouldn't be able t sign if they were at another EPL side. Then sell one or two of them and actually make a profit over all. Look at the fees they've received for the likes of Caicedo (105m), Mac Allister (38m), Robert Sanchez (22m), Cucurella (60m), Trossard (20m), Bissouma (27m) and Ben White (55m) .

That's 327m worth of sales in the last three summers for players they have bought for a combined fee of around 55m with White and Sanchez coming through their youth system.

That's a phenomenal profit. While they still currently have the likes of Mitoma who they paid 3m for, Evan Ferguson who they paid 600k for, Enciso who they bought for 9m, Adingra who they paid 6m for, Buonanotte who they bought for 5m, Lamptey who they bought for 1m and Estupinan who they paid 15m for all still in their squad, and now Barco for a reported 8m.

47.6m paid for those 8 players, which is pretty much what we paid for Bruno alone.

How much would those players sell for now?

Mitoma 50-70m for probably the best winger not at a top four club.

Ferguson probably 100m there or there abouts.

Estupinan is probably the best LB in the league, another 60m at least surely, and with Barco now signing they have their replacement already in the bag.

Lamptey would easily sell for 30m, probably more if he can get bac fully fit.

That's another 240-300m from those four players.

While Enciso, Buonanotte and Adingra are all developing nicely and look ready to break out of the shadows of players like Mitoma when he moves on. Would anyone really be surprised to see each of them eventually leave for 50m plus each? Another 120-200m for those three maybe.

In a few years time Brighton might be sitting on 800-900m worth of player sales from players they bought for less than 100m in total.

That's one hell of a business model, while its also enabled them to have their most successful times on the pitch as well.

Obviously we can't match that as we don't get the chances to sign players like Mitoma for 3m, it'd be at least 5 or 6 times that much the moment we declared an interest. But it does go to show that if you run your club well and scout properly then you can get so much more value out of the transfer market than we have got over the past decade or more.


7.) 10 Jan 2024 22:31:15
I am surprised amount has seen him, he is pretty damn good on FM24 though.

If we building a team through FM we need to buy Fresneda at RB, kid becomes awesome.


8.) 11 Jan 2024 12:24:48
Thanks DSG, I’m lost on those across the pond ?.


 

 

13 Dec 2023 00:16:58
Just want to say that I only watched the first half fully tonight but I do think Bruno was one of the few players to really put in a shift.

Salford7

1.) 13 Dec 2023 05:55:06
Is that because he has the weekend off?


2.) 13 Dec 2023 08:17:53
As good as he is, he still can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo.


3.) 13 Dec 2023 09:00:04
Why are we praising professional athletes for “putting a shift in? ” Is that how bad we are now? I go to work every day and do the same. I go to the gym 4 times a week and “put a shift in” there too.

The team and club stinks. I can’t imagine the atmosphere there right now.


4.) 13 Dec 2023 10:44:20
He always puts a shift in. His desire and determination and work rate is incredible, unfortunately he's in a team that's struggling so he's trying to do everything which in turn is detrimental to his game.

A lot of you posters on here have memories of gold fishes. Every month there's a new player in the firing line. Bruno is a player that you build around. Surround him with better players and watch him excel.

He creates opportunities for his team mates but most of them have a hard time scoring.

De Gea got similar treatment. People just wanted him gone for a shiny new keeper to come in and look how that's gone. Onana diving to his left yesterday before the ball was even hit, absolutely woeful.

McTominay and Maguire should have been sold and still should be sold but you have posters talking about how Maguire is the real captain and McTominay should play up front.

Flip flopping every so often because someone has a decent few games.

Make a list of players that should be gone from that squad. If Bruno is in your top 10, then you need to give your head a wobble.

There would be new contracts to Maguire, McTominay and Martial if some of you had your way.


5.) 13 Dec 2023 11:10:59
I don’t think many on here thinks we should keep Maguire and McTominay Mumbles. We should sell for decent cash in the summer. Trouble is there are at least 10 that should be moved on - but never are.


6.) 13 Dec 2023 13:09:55
The bar is set so low Eric that players like McTominay can score a few goals and that's enough to buy some fans support for the next year.

Lingard dined out on a purple patch for 2 years and had his defenders.

I know we can't make wholesale changes every year and we would probably agree that the majority of the squad aren't good enough, but the speed in which some of these fans flip flop between players is phenomenal.


7.) 13 Dec 2023 17:17:28
“ As good as he is, he still can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo. ”

?. Not that good then is he?


 

 

19 Sep 2023 21:55:55
Contrast Doku for City who is direct has pace goes for the jugular but then in the very last minute is back defending his own goal line to Utds Sancho and Anthony. And Doku cost a fraction of their prices. On a nutshell rhas why City are so far ahead.

Salford7

1.) 19 Sep 2023 22:35:44
With city its the people they have in charge. They got the right people in a year before pep took over. With the transfers, they get it right 9/10 and never pay stupid money. I'm sure there are some shady deals going on over there, but they know what they are doing.

Us on the otherside seem to have no idea except splashing cash. We need to get the brighton guys in. They find the rough diamonds and polish them up.

Hopefully, we get new owners in, and they get proper people to run the club.


2.) 20 Sep 2023 00:57:15
115 of them.


3.) 20 Sep 2023 03:14:12
Liverpool fan here but I just wanted to wade in on the topic of City getting 9/ 10 transfers right. Personally, I don't think this is the case. The only reason why it seems so is because they are so rich that they can easily write-off wrong transfers and go out into the market and get a new player.

Just look at how many defenders they bought to replace Kompany before they finally landed on Dias. Or how they bout Jesus to replace Aguero but ended up still playing the Aguero because of how poor Jesus was. Or how they bought multiple keepers to replace Hart before getting Ederson. There are plenty of other examples too if you look through their transfer history.

Don't get it wrong, they have splashed the cash but unlike other clubs, they are not affected by the mistakes they make in the market.


4.) 20 Sep 2023 06:20:35
Jesus was not poor.
I remember a few fair times he came off the bench and scored.

{Ed001's Note - oh he was poor. So poor Pep didn't even play him as a striker after giving up on him there because he didn't score enough. And now he has gone to Arsenal and still failing to score enough.}


5.) 20 Sep 2023 10:25:21
Duku cost 60 mill I believe so not cheap.

City have the luxury of bringing in players into a great squad and allowing them time to settle in and don't have the media spotlight or toxic fan base that writes players off after a handful of games. They get some wrong but get many right.

They are in such a good place that no individual signing is looked at as a savior. if it turns out to be a mistakes they move them on eventually without missing a beat.


6.) 20 Sep 2023 11:28:03
Doku is still a raw talent but he has physical qualities which can not be taught which is why city have picked him out. Pep will back himself to coach Doku and refine his game technically.

Contrast that with Antony and Sancho who are good technically but don't have the physical qualities for the league which you can not really teach in my opinion. I don't recall Antony or Sancho beating their full back 1 vs 1 as much as Doku has and I've only seen him play 2 games lol.


7.) 20 Sep 2023 12:12:34
You mention Antony, who also scored on his debut, and also put a massive shift in defensively. What point are you trying to make?

Let’s give Doku a full season to see how he turns out. I’m sure he’ll be fine under Pep, but this seems like bashing our players for the sake of it.


8.) 20 Sep 2023 13:12:34
I made the point, Antony can not physically hack this league, confirmed by the point i have never seen him beat his full back 1 vs 1 because he doesn't have the explosive pace to do it.


9.) 20 Sep 2023 14:47:28
The same city who got it spot on with Gvardiol Kovacic, Rodri, KDB and Silva Dracred lol? You are talking about players that were signed ten years ago. Kompany and Aguero retired ten years ago.
They don't make many mistakes these days and if i am not wrong they are one of the highest selling club across the top 6 clubs.


10.) 20 Sep 2023 15:38:30
LFIP, are you Harry from the Liverpool page? because the misinformation you spouted is very reminiscent of his. And your love-in with Kovacic, who has done absolutely nothing this season with City, is like his as well.

Kompany left City in 2019, Aguero in 2021. A simple Google search would have given you that answer. And last I checked, 2019 and 2021 aren't 10 years ago. They make plenty of mistakes in transfers but it's easy for them to cover up since they have the money to just go out and buy a new replacement player each window.


11.) 20 Sep 2023 15:44:21
DSG my comment was not aimed at you but the OP.

It appears to be putting Doku’s debut on a pedestal while bashing Anthony, but Anthony had an almost identical debut.


 

 

 

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05 Feb 2024 22:20:54
Bet he doesn't figure again this season and we don't have anyone anywhere near as good as cover.

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30 Dec 2023 18:08:23
I would love mckenna to be given a chance. His youth teams played good football and he knows the club but it may be a bit early in his career.

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18 Nov 2023 21:05:43
I really really don't get the short term lack of patience with ETH. He has been fighting fires since he arrived and with one hand tied behind his back because of the inadequacy of those in charge of the club.

He has inherited a poor squad. Got rid of dead wood where he could and generally his signings have been good (Anthony is the only one who so far has flopped in my opinion)

He has not had a settled defence and that is the bedrock of any successful team.

Give him time at least another two years if he is backed properly and then judge.

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02 Oct 2023 12:17:59
I can't believe people want ETH out already. He is clearly a talented coach. Has not has a settled defence since he started. Suffered significant squad injuries. Unable to get rid of players he clearly does not want due to previous management errors and hamstrung by FFP rules.

Give the guy time to rebuild the squad to how he wants and also have a full squad to pick from.

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01 Sep 2023 18:37:57
We need another striker. Can really only rely on Rash as Hoijlund is unproven and if one of those two is out for a while we have no one to come in.

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02 Mar 2024 22:19:36
With goal difference possibly being an important factor in who wins the league I expect City to go all out against us. If they get an early goal I can see us being thrashed six or seven again. Our midfield is so weak and with no left back City must be licking their lips.

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25 Feb 2024 19:17:42
I think he is just disenchanted with the way the team has declined around him. He doesn't get decent service. The midfield and defence are regularly second best. He will thrive in a good team. Even Pep rates him.

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No chance of making it.

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11 Feb 2024 21:13:04
Yes a definite improvement but let's be realistic West ham and villa are not at the level they were earlier in the season and we are still moles off the top three.

We still give away too many chances and don't kill off games when we should. Still lack a dominant centre forward ans midfielder and clearly miss Martinezwhem he is unable to play.

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25 Jan 2024 22:05:18
Biggest shame is that he is definitely talented but chosen to waste it. I wonder I years to come if he will realise just how much he personally lost out by not fulfilling his potential.

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