Manchester United Discussion

08 Oct 2025 22:26:32
Opinions on SJR intervoew in the Times dismissing the hyperbole around Amorim and making clear he needs 3 years to get the team at a club like United in the right shape and squad and play?

I think the content was great but he could have gone further stating that every great Man Utd manager was someone the club had faith and backing of long term belief of the leadership.

I was pleased to see he mocked the press for their knee jerk expectations and that it showed a lack of understanding of the size of the task.

This for me was important that the players will hear that loud and clear. Its the manager and his plan we believe in, get with the plan or get your coat. Its you that needs to perform for the manager or we replace you and not him.

Timing wise it is also clever, internation break so light on sports news so it gets maximum airtime and coverage to set our stall out well and truly.

Shows those inside the club in the eight positions are all aligned amd on the same page, a club united in its name and also its belief in the project. No matter waht others think.

Thoughts?

09 Oct 2025 08:19:26
Personally, I think it's excellent news, but it will bring the angst and pain to others here who constantly preach for his instant removal. To the naysayers, I suggest you suck it up and support the club, manager and players. GGMU.

09 Oct 2025 10:18:02
As obvious as it sounds as long as he wins he will get the time. If it carries on this way there is no amount of backing from Ratcliffe that will stop the pressure to sack.

Also he is just trying to shut people up. He knows Amorim won’t be here in 3 months never mind 3 years if it doesn’t improve.

09 Oct 2025 13:00:49
It doesn't bring me any angst Fizz, but 1 solid win does not change my mind. I'm happy to be proved wrong, and it sounds like RA will get the time to do that, but I've seen nothing yet to convince me this will end well.

07 Oct 2025 10:13:52
What's everyone's thinking about Gary Neville's comments about middle aged white men.
Personal I think he should keep his opinion to himself.

07 Oct 2025 11:31:09
Why should he do that?

Is this not a vital factor of Free Speech that's overlooked by most of those who chirp about it?

He's entitled to his opinion and in my opinion he's absolutely nailed it.

07 Oct 2025 11:38:01
Personally, and unusually, I think he's right.

07 Oct 2025 12:20:39
I like Gary nev.
Keefy I agree free speech is not what it was. The cancel culture is alive and well sadly.
He is entitled to his opinion due to his media exposure he needs to be responsible in airing his opinions as we are living in the viral world full of extremist people where things grow legs for no reason.
He is in a worse position attacking coaches where he is nothing but a catastrophic failure himself.

07 Oct 2025 13:29:51
Sorry I meant ork.

07 Oct 2025 13:26:05
Ken

Without wishing to get too political, this 'cancel culture' waffle is, imo, one of the most eroding factors in modern-day interpretation of one's freedom of opinion.

I mean, the driving factors of 'cancel culture' are not too dissimilar to the social movements that led to laws bringing better rights in the UK to women and non-white people, but nowadays there's a buzz-term that's bandied about with little respect paid to the underlying principles that have helped our society progress.

The same with 'woke', it's now just become a bat of a word, again something that's bandied about so much by people who don't actually respect the merit of it's worth.

Not being funny mate, but if this is cancel culture, then what on earth is the roundabout molesting and hotel intimidation?

07 Oct 2025 17:20:55
I think you misunderstood or I didn't put my point across well Ork.
My point is devilled should be allowed voice his opinion without the fear of being cancelled.
But nowadays its a risk he takes due to his exposure.
My views are that there is too much judging on people opinions. We've seen several high profile people cancelled just for having an opinion.
Its crazy. imo.

07 Oct 2025 20:07:27
Sancho unchained,

Well done by letting us know your gender and age with one post. Bet you have a flag in your X profile.

Neville is spot on and the people complaining are the exact people he’s talking about, many of which I would never want to spend any time with.

{Ed007's Note - Spot on mate 👍 And seeing it's his first ever post the guy's obviously just a knobhead troll looking to cause bother and look for support from other idiots. I'm 51 and recently only found out what an incel is, I bet he's one of them 😂

07 Oct 2025 20:36:49
Ken

I probably did misunderstand to an extent, but again it's the 'cancel' word that doesn't fit for me.

The premise of free speech cannot function without consequence (other people's opinions and reactions) .

For example, Jim Davidson wasn't cancelled, he was merely the gullible victim of consequence - it is free speech that bit his botty.

JK Rowling, whether one might agree with her or not, is perfectly entitled to her opinion, but when she gets a reaction it's all of a sudden cancel culture.
Someone used to buy the books, but decides to burn them, suddenly that's cancelling her.
No, it's consequence borne of the equal rights of others.

Neville knows he'll get a reaction and I firmly believe he's already toned down his true feelings, but should profile and platform create nodding dogs?

We could all debate this further, but it's not the right place (sorry Eds), I'll get my coat.

08 Oct 2025 05:06:41
Nothing to do with opinions or airing them it’s stupidness of mentioning a group that are doing it everyone with an ounce of brain will know it’s aimed at Farage like the rest of Labour are obsessed with him they should more worry about themselves on awful jobs they are doing.
Did he not see the amount of woman protesting in pink T shirts and union jacks does he not know or seen any people of non white description that were born in this country putting up flags and having the same opinion like middle aged white men because I know plenty.
Neville done this for reasons and to spark reaction and news columns with the timing because the conservative conference in Manchester 2 his mate Andy Burnham and 3 obsession Labour got with Farage.
Let’s be fair does anyone take any notice of the jumped up little ****K but he thinks its done what he and Labour wanted but probably will just back fire on him and Labour.

08 Oct 2025 07:56:56
Oh he’s back with a new name, and no surprise this is his opinion.

08 Oct 2025 08:00:40
Can a block not be put on this guys IP Eds? Does he not need a different email address to sign up or something? At least the people who voted for the new name in the poll were correct. Now being allowed to spread this vitriol with his ‘1st post’. Of course he’s Farage loving and abusive. For God sake.

{Ed001's Note - I wish we could just do that, but these days they change constantly.}

08 Oct 2025 08:53:07
GDS2, and describing himself adequately with asterisks. 😂.

08 Oct 2025 01:58:57
Ed007,

The problem is that social media gives them a platform and a chance to live in a bubble and echo chamber where they start to believe that everyone thinks like them as they only ever see people that agree with what they say.

If you go out in the real world most people are just nice people who want the best for everyone and will do anything for anyone.

Funny how the OP probably thought like on X he would get everyone agreeing with his nonsense but I’d like to hope that fortunately the people on here (odd little family that we are) are a little more open minded than that.

{Ed007's Note - Spot on mate 👍🏼👍🏼

08 Oct 2025 08:48:50
Ed007. You just educated me on a new word too, and I think you're correct 😂😂😂.

{Ed007's Note - 😂😂👍🏼👍🏼

08 Oct 2025 15:02:22
IMO it was a very stupid thing to say, but he has a right to his opinion. The same people calling for his head were probably the same outraged that Charlie Kirk was gunned down for his opinions.

It was a disgrace what happened but calling for the head of someone else exercising free speech isn't the answer.

08 Oct 2025 19:13:24
Like everything it gets twisted and pulled out of context.

Like everyone else he is entitled to his opinion and personally I don't think he said much I disagree with.

The problem is that a lot of people who fall into that category of middle aged white man have immediately got defensive and outraged. Yet they've done so without actually giving this comments any thought. Let's not forget Gary is himself a middle aged white man.


As a man in his late 30's I'm probably included in that middle aged white man category despite my protestations that I'm not middle aged yet. Certainly my students think I'm an old man 😂


His comment wasn't "ALL" middle aged white men are the problem, he said that there are people who are driving division within our society, and that most of them are middle aged white men who ought to know better.

He hasn't even said that all of the people creating the division are middle aged white men.

The chief culprit is Nigel Farage, and when you see all the people who are saying similar things to him in the media it's hard not to agree that they are mostly men of a certain age and ethnicity.

Rather than get angry about it because you fall into the same category, how about speaking out against them.

Anyone who is trying to blame the issues in society on specific minority groups is only doing so to drive division and create tension amongst our society. It's the oldest trick in the book, divide and conquer. Look at Nigel Farage for example, as the country has become more divided his political position has got stronger, giving him more power and influence.

They are trying to manipulate you, and sadly are succeeding in a lot of cases. The saddest thing is that we have seen this all before, this was exactly the same things that were said and done during the 1920's and early 1930's in Germany. They didn't vote for the person party because they were evil people, the voted for them because they had been divided and made to believe that it was the Jews that were causing all the problems in their country.

Now it's immigrants, particularly Muslim ones. At least the Germans didn't have an example to understand the folly of their ways. If we go down the same route it'll be much worse and we will be far stupider for doing so as we do have an example to heed caution from. We will have no excuse.

08 Oct 2025 19:18:01
Imo peoples grievances are more to do with the state of the country and the politicians allowing it to get this way with power to the few. Them same few manage to be able to infiltrate every way possible and cause the division whilst they stand on the podium watching and laughing as the next dystopian policy goes there way.

If life was good and everybody had money/ got along, nobody would bat an eye lid. One day it will all explode and it will be chaos and the end of how we see it today.

Gary Neville is telling people to stop doing the same thing he is doing which is voicing his opinion. Flag or not people are annoyed and are taking it out on the folk that get every seemingly for free.

08 Oct 2025 20:27:33
Steve Hughes a very clever Aussie comedian does a great sketch on being offended.

And I quote:

“Being offended is subjective
It has everything to do with
you as an individual or collective or
group or society or community
Your moral conditioning
Your religious beliefs
What offends me
May not offend you
And you want to make laws about this?
I’m offended when I see boy bands
for God sake! ”

Well worth a watch on you tube.

08 Oct 2025 21:13:47
Or maybe Gary Neville is just starting his move into politics and his play for being the next mayor of Manchester if that role were to become vacant?

{Ed007's Note - The late great Alfred Sidney Roberts, OBE has never been adequately replaced.}

08 Oct 2025 21:39:42
You didn't post my 1st one ed? I was careful in writing it trying to give a little balance, this is not a page for politics though but not sure how it would be offensive?

{Ed033's Note - Is this (below) your post? [Remember this is a football site not a political site, looke like you were 'careful'.]

08 Oct 2025 20:36:52
If this thread touches on politics and just naming Nigel Farage as decisive. I'd like to point out that all politicians are like this including Kier Starmer, he is just as bad adopting Refrom policies which won't work but subtly calling potential Reform supporters racist. The media and police are also directed by the government in their in their policies now regarding terminology and sentencing based on a person's "background".

The information about the attacker for instance was that he was "Syrian". Around 90% of Syria is Muslim. The Police were careful around their profile release.
There is a difference in the release of information as opposed to what the facts are which then gives more fuel to some sections on the spin. There are other terms of dumbing down that governments are trying to filter through but I'm not prepared to go into it as it's not right.

09 Oct 2025 15:47:55
Supa,

Dread to think what your opinion is when you’re not careful.

01 Oct 2025 06:52:34
Amorim in. He deserves the midfield his system needs. He’s identified the players we all wanted rid of and done it. He’s trying to improve player culture.

Whilst history doesn’t always repeat itself, the older fan base will remember the benefits of standing by a manager.

I’m staggered we’re letting players demolish a good manager - one that I remember Ed002 recommending for the position.

If you seriously believe 3-4-3 is the problem rather than the ability of the players than frankly, you deserve the lack of success we’re getting.

01 Oct 2025 08:29:44
Well said BRD.

01 Oct 2025 10:58:57
I don't think its the system that's the problem, but when everyone can see that its not working during a game, and the refusal to change, I think this is a big problem that he has.

01 Oct 2025 11:01:52
I know I'm in the majority Fizz. But of the managers we've had since Sir Alex, Amorim is the one I have the most respect for (as a manager) .

We complain managers have no plan or philosophy. He does.

We complain managers aren't tough enough with players. He is.

I don't believe the formation is the issue at all. I just can't believe the short memories in here. Stick the usual suspects (Shaw, Cass, Ugarte, Dalot, Maguire etc. ) in any formation and they're unreliably crap!

01 Oct 2025 11:49:54
Here here BRD.
Let's band together and form a group of Amorim IN posters. Any time there is a negative post, just post endless positive posts to drop them down into the abyss, where they belong!

01 Oct 2025 11:53:25
BRD,

The problem is that the results just aren’t good enough, it’s as simple as that really. We can’t afford to just let the season drift, nobody here has any confidence that we will beat Sunderland at home, we are a mid table side that looks like they could at any point get dragged into a relegation battle if a few results go against us. We will win the odd game but he’s been unable to use any wins to create momentum, we’ve yet to win 2 in a row, we’ve not won an away game since Leicester in March and we have scraped through a couple of home games.

I like him, I want him to succeed, I want to blame the players and say he’s a great manager and needs time but he had to start this season well and we’ve been horrendous so far, performances started better but now we just look the same as last season.

I’m never one to just say ‘get rid’ and I like to try and give a balanced view rather than some posters who just come on here spouting their opinion as fact and saying people need to ‘wake up’ but it does feel like the results just haven’t been good enough and he will leave in November once the one year is up.

01 Oct 2025 11:54:26
Play these players in a system they are more accustomed to and I think you will see the results will come.

01 Oct 2025 12:18:30
ne99il

So we've spent over £200million on players in the summer that will only work in certain systems. give me a break!

01 Oct 2025 12:47:26
Agree BRD.

01 Oct 2025 13:36:14
BRD, you speak too much sense for this place.

01 Oct 2025 14:01:31
This is nothing to do with the front 3 we bought, but if you play Bruno in his natural position and the defence in a system they are used to, yes I think you will see better results.

01 Oct 2025 15:16:10
So move Bruno forward and who replaces him? Every option is inadequate. Bruno is the best option out of a truly poor bunch. Which feeds back to my OP which is Amorim needs better midfielders!

I just don't get this 'sack Amorim' when we are potentially just two players away from the beginning of his ideal system. When he has the players for 'his' system, then judge - and if necessary after a reasonable period replace him. But not until then!

Sacking him now is flawed, short-sighted thinking. I just hope INEOS have the balls to give him the January window and get him a shiny new midfielder (Anderson or Baleba, not Wharton) . They've got enough thick skin to make unpopular redundancies, so hopefully this too.

Because, and here's the issue. 442, 433, 352 -o your midfield will always be too weak until we invest in it. So why change manager? The same problem will still be there and the new manager will then face the same flack. It would also be cruel to sack Amorim when we forced him to come mid-season against his wishes.

People are crying for 4231, that's what ETH was doing? How was that any better?

Jeez. It's infuriating.

01 Oct 2025 17:54:41
I feel your pain BRD.

01 Oct 2025 18:37:59
Indeed Fizz. I just prey that if an average match going supporter like me can see the problem that Wilcox and co can.

01 Oct 2025 20:01:21
Van Gaal was better than Amorim and he had a plan, philosophy and was hard on the players. You’re just plain wrong, Amorims a terrible manager in the English league. He isn’t willing to change which is exactly what he needs to do.

01 Oct 2025 21:24:06
Forced to join against his wishes. You make it sound like he was smuggled away from Sporting in the middle of the night.

The argument against his system isn’t the formation, it’s the inability to coach it into these players after a year. It’s also his total lack of having a plan B during matches. It’s embarrassing. We finish games with a complete mish mash of players because we are chasing the game, like mason Mount at wing back.

The Grimsby game, we finished with 5 number 10’s on the pitch.

I kind of admire his integrity and the way he has gotten rid of some players but the bottom line is he's been absolutely s**t in coaching this team on the pitch.

01 Oct 2025 21:43:11
If the players are as s**t as many say what do you expect? Utterly ludicrous arguments to expect coaching to make any difference with Maguire, Shaw, Dalot, Ugarte and even Bruno who’s been a headless chicken under every coach.

Yet more United supporters with no patience in a manager that’s barely been at the club. Yes it’s bad. I’m not arguing. But I do not agree he’s a bad manager.

The sample size is not big enough. Pep had longer. Klopp had longer. Arteta has had much longer.

01 Oct 2025 21:43:59
Amorim in or out, I don't really care at the moment.

Regardless of any arguments, these are professional players and should be able to adapt to any system, if not perfectly, then at the very least to a minimum level required. If not then there is something intrinsically wrong. Not necessarily with United but with the modern player and coaching systems across the board.

Whilst I openly admit that I have drifted towards the negative with RA I do feel he needs to change something to get a few wins under his belt and then slowly return to his preferred system.

For his own mental and physical health if nothing else. He is a looking like a broken man and no job should do that to you. I hope the club support for him is genuine and he comes through this with flying colours.

01 Oct 2025 22:17:55
I don't know a Uniyed fan that thinks he is right for us. Without exception they think a change is needed.

01 Oct 2025 23:19:33
Amorim picks those 5 players nearly every game. No one has a gun to his head to make him pick them. Heaven, Yoro, mainoo could all play and at least u could say he’s reshaping the squad for the future. Instead he’s picking these others that we all know are poor and playing Bruno out of position where he’s a massive liability to the team. 4 of those 5 are also part of the leadership team chosen by RA himself. Doesn’t sound like a manager basing decisions on the future but rather the here and now.

02 Oct 2025 09:06:32
And that’s the point Tim. Stop playing these players, or play another system/ formation to get the best out of them. that's what a head coach is there to do. And in that regard, Amorim has failed miserably.

Regardless his crap we think a lot of this lot are, they’re better than relegation fodder.

02 Oct 2025 14:39:07
We are just 2 players away?

How about he just gets the best out of the players that are there.

With RA, for those that are for him, you all use hypotheticals, 'if this and if that'.

How about we actually judge upon what actually is? What is staring us in the face? 17 losses in 33 league games, 9 wins. That's his record, that's it. Players regressing, playing in positions that aren't suited to them.

We are 2 players away from the BEGINNING of his system. I mean, it's just not true is it? It's a hypothetical. The reality is staring us in the face. Not good enough, end of.

02 Oct 2025 14:44:07
Systems, formations, tactics etc etc. He has done his bomb squad thing, he's signed Dorgu, Sesko, Mbuemo, Lemmens, Cunha and none of the new signings have even been able to do whatever he is asking.

He was unable to make last year's players better and we were told on here that we were very close to a great squad and all we needed to do was sack Erik Ten Hag, he was the problem.

It was there for us to see, he couldn't get the players that were already there to play better, in fact they all went backwards and now the new signings also look like that they're about to go backwards too.

Is this how far we have fallen as a club that this level of crap has become acceptable.

02 Oct 2025 15:50:39
I do not believe it is acceptable. However, I do believe Amorim will get there given the same amount of time that others were afforded.

02 Oct 2025 17:53:34
BRD, I love the optimism, I applaud it.

But time afforded to others was because they should us something in various periods. RA has been abysmal and has not shown anything to warrant time. Completely different to others.

Like I.

02 Oct 2025 22:29:04
He’s done a terrible job.

And it’s time to say goodbye. Sadly, because I quite like his style.

03 Oct 2025 07:37:46
Eric79

Give a chef predominantly sh*t ingredients, and they will serve you a sh*t meal

No midfield.
Shaw. Maguire.
Atrocious goalkeepers (Lemmens the unknown)

Inconsistent performances from the remainder.

Those are sh*t ingredients!

03 Oct 2025 08:49:04
Its all good saying give him time if he was getting results. The fact is we have 13 games in the league between now and January, and if the average of 1 point per game continues, that gives us 20 points going into January, and that could realistically lead us into a relegation battle!

29 Sep 2025 11:35:52
I coach qn u14s side. we play 11v11 and when we started that last season I decided to try 3 at the back with 2 wingbacks to have more going forward.
It works great for us but think the reason is 1 WB was a winger and tge was a striker. Now them 2 between them are top scorers.
It works but only if they are attack minded. Dorgu and Dalot are not!
Dorgu as good strength and speed but I don't think I've seen a player with a final ball as bad as hes.

30 Sep 2025 23:11:44
Dorgu has been very poor and dalot is not going to improve and should be sold. Would rather maz as a lwb and either amad or mbeumo at rwb and push Bruno into a 10 role
We are all critical of certain players not being good enough yet some posters criticise the manager not doing better. A lot of players are just not good enough. The formation isn’t the problem the players are and until that’s addressed we won’t go from 17th to top 4 and we all need to realistic and stop listening to the outside noise finishing anything above 8th should be acknowledged as improvement not a reason to sack the manager anyone who thinks different is deluded.

27 Sep 2025 21:11:38
The famous definition of madness is after failure to keep doing the same thing expecting a different result. I say it as I see it, always said that on here.

Pre game I found it hard to believe the team selection but also the negative attitude. By playing Maguire it was clear RA was concerned about defending their long balls, crosses, long throws. By doing that it showed what he was thinking about. It likely explains the start where we looked like we were making sure, or trying to make sure, we didn't get caught out, instead of being United, taking the game to them. Amorim was thinking how to block Brentford, it is a trait I felt Moyes had. The players were uncertain about what was happening behind them.

Why was Altir in goal, why? Make it make sense. We ship Onana out, yet instead of playing a new GK chomping at the bit, we play the one who was not good enough to be number two a few weeks ago. Stupid. He wasn't much at fault but did palm the ball out.

Maguire, negative thinking, or too much thinking. Then Shaw, why? We have mobile tall quick defenders on the bench, Yoro and Heaven. Cannot be saving them when we only have one game a week.

Then I come to the main issue, midfield. Continuing to play Bruno in CM is criminal and terrible thoughtless management. Not being able to see that he was awful, not pulling his weight, nowhere near captaincy material, by half time is very poor. However, then not taking him off, when playing badly, is desperate amateur management. I cannot defend that.

Team selection, in game management awful, favouritism over Bruno appalling. I do wonder if team morale is now affected by the managers inability to see reality on Bruno, Shaw etc, and over team selection.

Frankly, Amorims position is or has to be hanging by a thread after that today and it isn't formations, it's self inflicted poor management. He won't change, he told everyone, he flaunted it to the owners, but this cannot carry on. Something now has to give. Bruno in CM is a resignation letter for me.

27 Sep 2025 23:07:10
Bruno, name checked 4 times with negative connotations.

Play Bruno in his best position. It is not his fault that he is being played there. And yes, he is captain material, you just don't like him red man we get it.

You have been championing RA for a year now, and he is so unfit to be managing this club, it's beyond a joke. Desperate to get rid of ETH to be replaced by this. Embarrassing.

28 Sep 2025 05:24:45
Angel

People in glass houses…

Your achillies heel is that you cannot get past idolising Bruno no matter what, you can’t see all his mistakes, giving the ball away in key areas, his lack of everything about being a Captain on the pitch. Bruno in Central Midfield is a major problem, so is his phlegmatic personality, he disappeared in big games for us too often, no matter what position he was played in. You refuse to see it, just like RA. Poor Bruno it’s not his fault, the poor thing is out of position. Bless.

Yes, I have been onside with RA but there are points when you can’t defend the indefensible and yesterday was that point. One day you might reach it with Bruno. As to ETH, Leverkuesen saw him for what he was, yet last summer the idiots gave him a new contract and let him buy more players. The club has responsibility for some of this mess, they have not bought the CM they should have done. They don’t do team selection but that yesterday was appalling all ways round by RA and I won’t shy away from saying it, nor will I shy away from supporting someone when I feel he deserves it, he is head coach but I find it hard to see the club put up with that yesterday much longer. Note I haven’t called for him to be sacked like some of you vultures, but do think he is asking for it by his own actions.

28 Sep 2025 09:51:28
It's not that at all. It's your absolute fascination with a player that has been nothing short of incredible. Criticising and saying he's had a poor game is fine, but overall he is still and has shown he is way above anyone else in our squad, the numbers don't lie. And you have this obsession with him.

RA was the man according to you, he was the great white hope, a proper coach. But you can't see the wood from the trees when you're locked in like you were with ETH and Bruno.

And vultures? The man is out of his depth, nearly a year in now, I think we are well within our rights to call it out for what it is. Shambolic. Imagine this was ETH with 17 losses in 33 games, 9 of them wins. You'd want him walking the plank, hung from the gallows 😂

As for Leverkusen seeing Ten Hag for what he is. Complete nonsense, 2 games in a brand new rebuild. How anyone sees someone for what they are in that time period is beyond me, near impossible actually.

3rd and 8th with 2 trophies in 2 seasons, what a joke he was 😂.

28 Sep 2025 10:28:48
Angel

No fascination, just watch the game. Lies, damn lies and statistics, Bruno had very good periods in previous years but you clearly can’t see the decline, the being out of position, losing runners, giving the ball away because of your Bruno specs. Bruno specs that mean you can’t see how awful he is as a captain. No doubt you couldn’t see how he should have been subbed yesterday either.

I like RA and yes I think he is a very good coach but I think he has got it wrong right now. I think he may pay the price for yesterday and his inability to, like you to see the Bruno problem.

Don’t make me laugh with your defence of ETH, the main reason we are in a mess, hundreds of millions on poor players that we could hardly give away.

28 Sep 2025 11:29:43
Excellent posts Red Man.

28 Sep 2025 11:52:36
Red man, you've got the bone between your mouth, and you won't let go.

Of course Bruno declines, like every player but even in his decline, and being consistently played out of position, he still manages to be one of the better players.

It's absolutely an obsession.

And ETH is why we are in this mess? Don't make me laugh. The club has been in free fall for years and your laying all the blame of this mess on ETH. You're a funny man 😂

I didn't realise that ETH was still in charge and is at fault for 17 losses in 33 games 😂.

28 Sep 2025 12:51:38
I think he might be playing Bruno in midfield and regularly picking Maguire, Dalot and Shaw to show the club just how abject its ’senior Leadership’ team actually is and what he has to work with. Also Pretty sure that Bruno is the least effective ‘world class player’ in world football. Lot of show very little go. Not sure Amorims style will work in the prem, started watching old games of his time in Portugal and even though it’s working most of the games I saw looked pretty chaotic, but he’s no chance with what he’s up against. Starting to think the Bruno sitch is like Martial where the club likes him more than the manager.

28 Sep 2025 16:33:52
One third

It did cross my mind that like Martial, a Glazer likes Bruno, he must play and cannot be sold. I don’t think RA is doing it to show what he has to work with, far too risky, his job has to be in jeopardy right now.

Angel
Head in sand, ETH caused huge issues that the club is still trying to rectify. Useless.
Try watching games objectively, without Bruno specs, it’s what I do, you might get to see the real issue.

28 Sep 2025 19:23:49
Angel

The point being missed is that Bruno being selected as an 8 is just not the way - his natural game is a 10.

As an 8, the flaws to his game - discipline and the defensive side of things - are exacerbated badly and make our midfield weak af.

Everyone without their heads in the sand can see that the Bruno at 8 experiment has worked out so poorly that opposing teams can confidently set much of their game plan to charging through midfield, and RA has had long enough to accept that, but he can't fashion a legitimate position further forward for him now in this system that he rigidly sticks to.

Bruno does not work as an 8, it's as simple as that. He is a world-class 10, but he's being played out of position as a poor half of a poor midfield 2 and it's pathetic that he remains there.

If the 3-4-3 has any hope of working, we need an adequate 6 and a real 8. Therefore, it would have perhaps been wise to sell him when the silly money was being waved about.

RA's naivety will cost him, but only when the INEOS leash has frayed.

Here's a comparison for how stupid it is to shoehorn a natural No10 in as No8 when it so clearly does not work - Scholes being shifted out to LW for England as a way of accommodating himself, Gerrard and Lampard.

It's just daft mate, makes our midfield Fosters weak, renders us predictable, contributes to our collective defensive anxiety, badly reduces the dynamism of our attacking threat, and shows with full bells and whistles that RA should get the shoe if he isn't prepared to change or adapt.

Bruno played at 8 exposes the biggest flaw to his character because the pressure of this system rattles it out - he's a leader, but not a captain imo.

28 Sep 2025 20:01:54
Bruno is still the best player at the club by a country mile even including the 200 odd million just spent, Bruno’s stats back that up every year but of course if your stupid enough to move that player from his best position and put him in a position that really don’t suit his game, what do you expect, Bruno in a 2 man midfield will never ever work,

It’s stupid you take your best player out of his best position and put an inferior player in that position and then neutralise your best player too and weaken the midfield, that is sackable offence on its own.

I see today that out of 49 games he changed his CB 43 times!
He started that game with the 3 slowest CBs we got! And then he is surprised at the outcome!
He bought Dorgu who is never a wing back got good engine but no final ball and not getting any better.

He bought a GK who no one even seen then says you got to be a special person at United! RA is special all right!
It’s ok trying a new philosophy but you got to win in the interim at least 50% of your games, 25% don’t cut it.

I wanted him in, but I now seen the evidence that he not good enough, no shame in that, we tried it don’t work change simples…
Just hope our leaders are not just being bloody mindedness and embarrassed to make the change, I’m hoping the Glazers say to SJR share price will go through floor if this continues you need to make change and now.

I would also be packing off Wilcox too and getting Barrada for some explanations.
SJR was never going to work but that’s another story ATM he needs to act.