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25 Jul 2024 19:41:03
The various speculations last year ranging from Greenwood and Antony, to ETH's tenure and club ownership etc., along with injuries must surely have had a negative affect on the players and coaching staff. Now that those decisions are all behind us, and there is a sense of certainty and direction, to what extent do we think there'll be a feel good factor at work?
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25 Jul 2024 20:29:36
Sancho and Anthony are still at the club.
Players who can't pay to the tune of Eths style, are still at the club.
Yeah it's improved but it isn't resolved yet.
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25 Jul 2024 20:43:27
They're has to be one or there will be little improvement.
A happy camp has a far greater chance of success.
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25 Jul 2024 22:37:16
I am still largely on the fence with ETH. He has done little, at this stage, to convince me otherwise. If his style of play, which escapes me at the moment, becomes clear and he has players available and it works, then the team will hopefully come to the party. Then the feel good factor should come.
At the very least he now deserves the right to show us what he has. The powers that be have made that call and so I will respect it and get on board for now.
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26 Jul 2024 02:33:24
Keefy I've zero faith in eth but as you say they have stuck with him so all we can do is hope we are wrong and they are right.
I think the window has been awful so far.
Yoro is a big hope but other than that it's hugely underwhelming so far.
I expect to see some outgoings and a couple more signings it's still early days.
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26 Jul 2024 09:14:43
Whether we like it or not, fully expect to see Amrabat back next season if the Ugarte deal drags on. Seems Saudi interst in Cas has cooled, but he can do a very good job if not relied on week in week out.
Maguire has come out publicly today saying he’s staying, which leaves a sale of Lindelof to fund another defender purchase badly needed. No problem with him staying a rotation option - solid defender. We cannot go into the season with one semi fit LB.
Sancho, Pellestri and Mjebri need to leave too for some decent money.
Funds appear to be tight, and we may need to be pragmatic this first window.
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26 Jul 2024 11:12:47
I agree Eric its not easy to shift some of these players due to the finances involved their wages and contract security.
Sancho cas Anthony all have years to run and are being paid more than twice what they would get elsewhere.
Sancho we might sell because he has a bit to offer.
Maguire awb lindelof mctom all in last year of their contracts we have an option of another year on slabdonkeyhead and mctom so getting a decent fee is tough. It may be better for them to run their contacts down and not move from their own perspective.
Very uninspiring window so far but there is lots of time for it to improve.
We still need a starting gk rb lb cb cm lw imo so it will take a couple more windows.
If we are relying on the likes of amrabat and maguire it doesn't bode well. I'm hopeful that we see some late action.
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26 Jul 2024 12:00:19
That’s what I mean about being pragmatic Ken. Maguire can do a job, so we may need to allocate the finds to more pressing areas if we cannot sell our fringe squad. Midfield (a proper No6) and left back are urgent priorities for me, as Shaw cannot be relied upon and Malacia no closer to being fit.
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26 Jul 2024 12:13:14
Maguire can only do a bad job. We need another cb and if we go into the season with today's options we are in for another mess.
I agree on lb being a priority rb just as urgent imo.
Midfield will get the lad from psg I'd imagine
I'm happy enough for cas to stay tbh. Heavy wages but I think his experience would be helpful.
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26 Jul 2024 13:21:52
I never was and never will be a Maguire fan so am clearly very biased.
He is frankly useless and definitely not up to the level we require. The game is getting faster year on year and he is being left behind equally as quickly. Slower than an octogenarian with ankle weights.
If he stays, and it’s looking increasingly like he is, then the team on the park will be far worse off for it. He will cost us more points than he gains.
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24 Jul 2024 02:20:05
Are we still looking at bringing in 2 midfielders? Is branthwaite dead in the water or will united try for 3rd time lucky? ed025?
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{Ed025's Note - according to Everton DH Jarrad is not for sale, but i would take that with a pinch of salt mate because with our financial situation that could change if the right money is offered mate..
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25 Jul 2024 22:27:03
How bad is it Ed 025? Are Everton in danger of financial penalties being imposed?
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{Ed025's Note - with the collapse of the takeover Salford we could be looking at going into administration mate, that would mean us starting the season on minus 9 points so a solution has to be found, selling our top players may be the only solution unless things change..
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26 Jul 2024 11:51:21
Ed025, that would be a sad state of affairs. While I want United to sign Branthwaite, I'm not comfortable with the club taking advantage of Everton's current predicament.
Hopefully it doesn't come to adminstration, as that could be the end of Everton in the EPL for a while if that happens. It's not just he initial points deduction, but that the club lose control of their financial affairs to the administrators. Whose only concern is settling the debt and not the long term success or even survival of the club. They will sell players indiscriminately and for whatever fees they can get, with the money going straight to debt repayment and the squad being left with massive holes in it.
It might be a case of selling Branthwaite to United for 50m this summer, or go into administration and sell him for 35m in January.
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{Ed025's Note - its a very serious possibility Shappy, it would be a real shame if a club with our history was to fold mate but as we all know it can happen, hopefully it wont come to that and we will find a buyer who can take us forward..but im not holding my breath..
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26 Jul 2024 18:43:26
Shappy that has to be the case.
Nobody wants a great club like Everton to go into administration but debts have to be paid.
If you don't pay your mortgage you will lose your house if you don't make you care repayments you will lose your car.
Debts have to be paid I have sympathy for investors and loan facilitator's who will not get paid what they should.
Do you think they should not be paid back? What sympathy do you have for them.
Uniteds job is to get the best deal for united and evertons primary job at the moment is to get their debt paid and under control.
I really hope Everton find a way out of this mess it's not looking great for then right now but they are looking at his value tumbling if they are forced into administration or get relegated.
Business is tough and pretty cutthroat we are not taking advantage of Everton at all we just have a different valuation of the player.
I hope we do sign him and I hope its a fee that both clubs are reasonably happy with.
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21 Jul 2024 15:33:36
All ireland is on BBC. going to be a cracker, highly recommend watching it.
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18 Jul 2024 21:52:43
Romano claiming personal terms agreed witgh Ugarte (same agent as Yoro) and he is keen on the project.
If we can get this one over the line it will be a brilliant start in the right areas of the team.
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18 Jul 2024 21:19:43
After United were banned from signing Todibo sue to the Ineos ownership of both clubs City have now signed Savio from Troyes, another club in City Group. How come this was allowed?
Have they set up the ownership differently to allow this to happen?
Do UEFA/ FIFA seriously think that the player would have been sold to a competitor if City believed that he could be a top Premier League player?
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18 Jul 2024 23:54:30
It's because we will be playing in the same competition as Nice.
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19 Jul 2024 00:04:16
They aren’t in the champions league. We can’t sign Todibo because we are both in the Europa League.
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19 Jul 2024 08:34:19
So how does competing in the same tournament change things? I don't understand why it would make a difference as long as the transfer was at a fair value. Either let the transfers happen or completely ban them. It does seem a way for clubs to keep hold of young players just in case they want them in future.
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19 Jul 2024 16:43:58
The deal between ESTAC Troyes and City was agreed before UEFA’s multi-club ownership rules came into force, they won't be able to do that kind of deal now.
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18 Jul 2024 20:26:20
Looking forward toward the meltdown on here when our new signings struggle.
Trust me I hope that doesn’t happen but…….
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18 Jul 2024 20:35:57
Need a bit of positivity fizz.
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19 Jul 2024 07:09:12
Trying danny but it's a commodity in short supply in recent years. I am always hopeful.
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19 Jul 2024 15:13:35
Give it a rest for a few more weeks at least eh.
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19 Jul 2024 16:47:11
Yoro is bound to have a shaky start, 18 year old, first time in the Premier League, the media pressure of playing for United. That is why I hope we still sign De Ligt so Yoro can be introduced gradually rather than being thrown in at the deep end.
Like Mainoo, Garnacbo, Rasmus just enjoy watching them develop.
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18 Jul 2024 20:22:16
Mixed reports. has Yoro signed for us? If so, did he really want real as first choice? We've been here many times where we've landed a good player who's always had his eye on other teams.
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18 Jul 2024 20:37:38
Official now. I don't care if he wants madrid in the future, it means if he wants to achieve his goal then he has to play well, win win for us because we get a good player and a good fee if he leave.
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18 Jul 2024 21:27:52
100% agree mate. But we've had players in the past whove come to us and have looked distracted from the off. I hope he's here to play and win and make himself look amazing when he wants to move on.
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18 Jul 2024 21:34:09
Regardless of the Madrid fantasy, I believe he'll be with us 3 seasons. That'll then make him homegrown in England, which would improve his (and Madrid's sell-on) future options immensely.
With Militao, Rudiger and Alaba still at their current levels, it makes sense to play regularly and develop here. Who knows where we'll be in 2 seasons with a proper structure now in place after 2 trophies in 2 seasons.
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19 Jul 2024 07:26:37
Who cares?
Madrid is Yoro’s dream club.
United was Palmer’s.
And I’d love a date with Dua Lipa but it ain’t going to happen.
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19 Jul 2024 09:55:50
I'm not to concerned about whether Madrid was his preference or not, even if he stays for 2 years, if his development and potential is what everyone expects, Madrid will come in for him and we will make a decent profit on him, then we can invest in the next one. He may end up loving it at United if we can become successful again and give us a decade of service so either way, win win as far as I am concerned.
Unless he's rubbish!
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18 Jul 2024 10:31:28
Are we still going to push for Joao Neves or is he now PSG bound as per reports.
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17 Jul 2024 19:35:46
At the risk of being oversimplistic.
The fee for Zirkzee is covered by the Greenwood and Willy fees. Our budget has gone on Yoro, so we now need to sell to buy, depending of course on payment terms and so on. It looks like an in, out, shake it all about, kind of window.
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17 Jul 2024 21:16:47
How do you know what our budget is AJH?
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17 Jul 2024 22:24:12
Zirkzee fee is being paid over 3 years.
We've no idea of the budget but of course you are right ajh we will need to generate funds any clear space for a couple more signings.
Pellistri hannibal awb lindelof ericksen sancho casimero look favs to leave with outside chances for mctom any Antony.
Not all will go but I can't see a big hitter like Bruno or rashford leaving.
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17 Jul 2024 22:20:13
I thought it had been publicised, did i miss a memo?
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18 Jul 2024 05:26:24
AJH
Whatever you read about budgets i would ignore, not one guy out there that knows what they are talking about and its just click bait if you are reffering to 35 mill to 50 mill that is being quoted. its absolute bs imo.
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18 Jul 2024 18:59:31
The way I've worked it out is like this:
Zirkzee and Yoro both on 5 year deals so their fees are amortized at £18.5m per season (£42m + £36.5m = £78.5m total divided by 5) so impact on budget is pretty low. Their wages are reported at £110k pw and £65k pw, so that's much less that Martial who was supposedly on £250k pw.
Take Kambwala into account and they've pretty much paid for themselves FFP wise. Factor in Greenwood and I think we're in decent shape financially especially if we do Casemiro > Ugarthe and/ or Maguire / Lindelof > MDL / Branthwaite
Varane's wages off the books helps too.
i know fans shouldn't discuss finances, but. 🤷♂️😂.
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24 Jul 2024 22:50:45
Total nonsense bobbie apart from your last sentence.
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17 Jul 2024 10:34:20
Welcome to Manchester United Leny Yoro.
What a talent we have in our hands.
Perfect replacement for Varane.
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