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13 Sep 2024 19:20:09
Question, we did sign Lusale and Obi Martin from premier league club academies over the summer. However I only see Lusale has been registered to play this season. Anyone know what's up with Obi Martin? Did the deal fall through or still in the works? And if so, would he still be eligible to play this season?
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13 Sep 2024 21:14:00
We are still waiting for the extensive Premier League checks to be completed. They are very detailed for players of that age moving between category 1 clubs.
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13 Sep 2024 22:00:12
I've just seen on Twitter, there's a lad called AcademyScoop who always seems to have info on the academy. He says it's only a matter of time so I guess everything is on track.
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13 Sep 2024 22:50:40
Unruly, the checks started about a month ago, seemingly that is about the expected time scale, so yeh, hopefully we will be hearing positive news soon.
I think we still need to finalise compensation with Arsenal though.
I recently watched the 10 goals he scored against Liverpool, in a match last season, he is a pretty impressive specimen so looking forward to seeing him play. Of course as he play's against older players that physical domination he now enjoys will subsidise so he will have to learn to adapt.
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14 Sep 2024 07:30:40
I did watch the goals too. He's kind of similar to Isak of Newcastle in playing style.
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14 Sep 2024 10:27:52
It takes time, a young player chelsea agreed terms with last april i think just got formally announced. It takes 3/ 4 months. Lusale is finalized and he is eligible for U18 squad. Also don't believe you need to register players who are under a certain age and part of your academy to be able to play them in the Pl later in the season.
Last year, the young kid from arsenal and NC had one too, both 16/ 17 I think who got minutes towards one of the PL games were not registered in their PL squads.
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13 Sep 2024 09:51:38
One thing I think we should all learn to accept this that everyone is a "true" United fan. Regardless of their opinions, or their actions.
My opinion is that United fans should show support and cheer the club on. Yet it's just an opinion and it doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's opinion.
So those fans who think it's acceptable or even a good idea to boo the manager or the players are entitled to that opinion.
I think when we start analysing eachother rather than the football, the club or those things around the club we are moving away from what is important.
I support the manager and feel that he should be given a fair crack this session with a proper support structure around him.
If at the end of the day with that new structure around him he fails then he will be rightly and fairly replaced.
However, I don't think we can analyse anything 3 games into the season. We probably won't be able to reflect on anything until around Christmas time at the earliest.
We also need to remember that our opinion of what constitutes success might not be the same as the club's. We might feel that top 4 is the minimum requirement, the club might have a different view. We also need to accept that.
International breaks are always an odd time for fans. If you're clubs been doing well everything is great, if not then we tend to overanalyse everything and ruminate over every tiny detail.
Hopefully we see a good performance and result against Southampton, then the feeling will start to change.
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13 Sep 2024 13:03:47
Been told I am not a true fan many times and I suspect you have told me more than once. It is therefore welcome news you think that fans can support the team and the club whilst being sceptical of the manager.
Only three games indeed but it’s the nature of them that is disturbing, same traits as last year even when adding players, getting tactically caught with our trousers down by Liverpool was appalling. Losing two out of three when the top teams lose 3 or 4 all season is a very bad start. There has to be an improvement now. Scrambling and losing tomorrow has to be very dangerous for the manager. He has to start winning and look like an organised side. He hasn’t managed to make us look organised except in the FA Cup Final, it has to change, starting tomorrow.
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13 Sep 2024 13:33:16
Says the man who gave an analysis on our pre season games. Do me a favour shappy and stop contradicting yourself every day or every other day.
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13 Sep 2024 13:34:59
Well said, that man.
As someone who has found himself questioning the suitability of ten Hag, I can respectfully concede that he does indeed deserve a crack with the support of a decent, sporting, structure.
As yet, he's not delivered the results, but we are very early into the season and the injury concerns are still impacting.
For anyone who still thinks the injury issue is a lazy excuse, we have 7 players out with injury - that's slightly more than a quarter of our senior squad and 2 of them could reasonably expect to be considered first choice for their respective positions.
I would say he should get until the turn of the year, by which time (hopefully) Shaw and Hojlund will have returned well enough for long enough to properly judge Erik on the basis of how he coaches/ manages/ whatever with what is essentially his best 11 on paper.
If by the turn of the year we're not 6th or above, then we're maybe already too far away from the presumed target of top 4 and he has proven himself to be inadequate.
As for the, presumed, fallout concerning Garnacho, let's just wait and see. I'm sure that Erik himself learned a lot from the situations involving Ronaldo and Sancho, that's part of management.
If any of you has entered a management position at any stage of life and believed you had nothing to learn, then you entered that position as a crap manager - that's just how it is.
Tomorrow might be the start of a resurgence, but there's reason enough to suspect that a distinct upturn might not materialise until mid-October, and guess what guys, that wouldn't be solely Erik's fault either.
Opinions aside, top 4, for the club, will be the objective, not the expected bare minimum - we all need to accept that we'll likely be competing with Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle and Villa for 4th place, are we really so arrogant to think it should be such a given?
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12 Sep 2024 19:53:05
The manager bashing is crazy, when players make individual mistakes all the time there is no chance of consistency.
How many more managers we need to go through before someone gets more than 3 years to re shape the club
Because klopp had Arteta had plenty before any success.
And Arteta has less trophies than ten hag.
When the club eventually sticks by a manager for more than 3 seasons we will see some actual planning pay off.
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12 Sep 2024 21:02:21
I'm not sure this site accurately reflects the fans' feelings V, the feeling in the ground is generally supportive.
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13 Sep 2024 03:31:48
AJJ, did you hear the boos at OT last weekend? didn't sound like a very supportive cheer that.
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13 Sep 2024 06:15:42
I spoke to 5 long standing reds and none of them thought ETH was right. I spoke to another last week who was ok but unsure. Not spoken to a red yet who is very positive about the manager.
The Stretford End booed the manager because of a decision he made to take Garnacho off whilst leaving Rashford on. That’s frustration with the manager.
The crowd is interesting, my experience is they individually don’t like to rock the boat whilst there, want to be seen as supportive. I had a good chat with the person sat next to me at a game last season and he was not supportive of the manager, had notable doubts. United fans want to be seen as loyal at the game, get them to talk and they are more honest. I don’t believe many truly believe ETH is the ultimate answer. He is there, the club have kept him but he has to perform. No more Liverpool charades. We must see a pattern and wins. The crowd is slow to turn against a manager, but if ETH keeps making poor decisions, boos will become louder and longer. He must stand up now. No more excuses.
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13 Sep 2024 08:06:43
Thought you were not going to games anymore ajh. Have you been to ot this season?
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13 Sep 2024 10:10:13
Only a few in the last seasons, but I know many season ticket holders. Everyone is frustrated but accepts the club has been a mess. Changing the Manager again is not seen as the magic answer.
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13 Sep 2024 13:34:02
I think it's very 50/ 50.
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13 Sep 2024 13:39:13
So we all have to be nice to him and pat him on the head and say well done my little cherub for serving up more dross, but that’s ok, it’s 2024 and we all have to be nice!
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13 Sep 2024 16:06:26
Red Man
Honestly mate, enough of this garbage about views of 'Long standing' fans, positioning them as more valid than those of fans with less time spent in the stands - it's utterly disrespectful and, frankly, BS.
I've spoken to plenty of 'Long standing' fans over the years - including one who insisted there was valid justification for Cantona's kung-fu fu numptiness, and another who thought Denis Irwin was overrated, then there are still some of Blaney's numbskulls around flapping gums and projecting - so let's not pretend that age always brings wisdom or greater merit because some of the 'Old hats' are just plain fkin stupid.
We fans are just fans. Some know their stuff, some don't, but age has fk all bearing on their capacity to understand the game - to think otherwise is as daft as Rodney Trotter.
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{Ed025's Note - anyone who does not think Denis Irwin was a great player should be shot with a ball of their own shoite Ork..
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13 Sep 2024 16:40:57
Couldn't agree more Ed.
Honestly, I was astounded by the pillock. The worst thing about it is that he's my cousin. 😱.
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13 Sep 2024 18:04:14
Oh for an Irwin in our team now.
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09 Sep 2024 10:51:57
Ed002 do you see Ten Hag lasting next few weeks/ months with how performances and results are going and could get worse. Are we looking at any managers? Coud van nistelroy take over?
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{Ed002's Note - He should have gone in the summer.
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09 Sep 2024 15:34:13
Yes he should and now that decision will look even more perplexing if they sack him in the next few weeks.
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09 Sep 2024 16:13:51
Ed002 I very much agree with you.
In your opinion went did they not replace him?
Too costly?
Couldn't get the replacement they wanted?
Imo the new management team have made some good progress on other issues but their u turn on eth looks like a big blot on their copy book. I just can't understand.
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{Ed002's Note - it was a new structure, he had been there a short time but knew many of the players.}
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10 Sep 2024 13:09:51
The Times's Martin Hardy predicted that by the end of September United would have lost more games than they had won, like last season, and that after a scare in the Carabao Cup, ETH would be replaced temporarily by RVN, who would then be appointed interim manager, would deliver a cup, and would be one of 4 managers in the hat for next season as another internal review was undertaken.
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10 Sep 2024 16:07:16
Did he give the lotto numbers too?
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10 Sep 2024 23:07:02
Is he anything to Jeff and Matt?
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09 Sep 2024 10:07:20
Hi Eds,
Hope you are all well.
A question for Ed001, Ed002 and the other Eds.
If you were the decision maker at United, who would be your choice of manager after Erik ten Hag?
Thanks.
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{Ed002's Note - Massimiliano Allegri is available and would work well - but it won't be him.}
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09 Sep 2024 10:45:58
That is a name that I didn't think of. But I am aware you have mentioned him in the past Ed. Thanks again.
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09 Sep 2024 15:21:58
Ed, you may not want to answer this, but is Southgate top of any potential list?
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{Ed002's Note - There has always been interest in Southgate and Pochettino.}
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10 Sep 2024 23:07:27
You love yourself a bit of allegri ed 😂.
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11 Sep 2024 14:13:48
I'd much rather Southgate to the incumbent.
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05 Sep 2024 12:38:28
I don't recall much about Angel Gomes, other than he wouldn't sign a contract and has disappeared for a while only to flourish in a different league. Naturally the media angle is that it was another mistake by United letting this player go. Anyone seen much of him at Lille? Can't say he seemed very 'Rodri-esque' to me.
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05 Sep 2024 12:51:03
He was given a few chances and didn't really take them, he looked very lightweight. The French League may he less physical, or he may have bulked up, but whilst he was clearly skillful, he was easily bullied.
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05 Sep 2024 13:05:44
He was a winger/ forward here as a teen and there was quite a bit of talk about him coming through.
He never made it He is very diminutive and as a 18yo probably would have got kicked around in the epl and he would have struggled was the opinion.
He has since moved into a more central midfield role and had a year in Portugal and a couple of years at lille.
He is technically good and now that he is older is a lot stronger and more developed.
Luke a lot of young lads he wanted game time in the epl before he was ready for it. So took the chance and moved. He has done well. Part of carsleys successful un21 team so got the nod.
Talented lad not built for the epl imo.
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05 Sep 2024 19:42:27
He's looked very good for England U21s in the games I've watched, playing as a 6. Glad to see him doing well.
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05 Sep 2024 21:28:51
A lovely tidy little player. It was a good choice for him to go abroad. He will come back, hopefully, a much better player. I think he would be absolutely fine in the EPL.
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06 Sep 2024 00:00:33
Not one person would be talking about him if Carsley didn't pick him for England, I’d be surprised if most people even knew he was playing for Lille.
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05 Sep 2024 21:24:31
I seem to remember ED002 saying that a few youngsters became disillusioned about how the club had no clear route to first team for those youngsters at the time. There was no plan for them, so they refused to sign new contracts and moved on. Largie Ramazanie was another player who left aswell because of this.
Maybe ED002 elaborate?
Thanks.
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{Ed002's Note - Elaborate on what. That is the case but the regime has changed.}
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05 Sep 2024 12:15:40
We as fans need to get behind the team, the players and the manager. Our negativity and our complete overreaction to these first 3 games, coupled with the endless rampant speculation in the press cannot be helping. All it does is ramps up the pressure on the players, many of whom are young and/ or new to the club, making it even harder to break out of the cycle of fear which has been building for a very long time now, and must impact their play at vital moments. The team is creating chances. We have the lowest conversion rate. Why?
When and if the psychology changes, we will do better. It's our job, and it's in our interests, to help that process along. Stop adding to the pressure.
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05 Sep 2024 12:32:55
Firstly we don't have a 'job' it's a hobby and we don't have to do anything.
You've no idea how the players feel.
Each fan follows the club their way and does it for their reasons.
I don't have to support this manager he is a transient employee nothing more.
I don't like the way he varies himself I don't trust him and I don't have any faith in him.
I don't want him fired right now as he has been given the chance. But I'll voice my opinions good bad or I different.
Not all your posts are 100%supportive so wond your neck in and practise what you preach and don't lecture others or term then what they must do.
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05 Sep 2024 12:45:00
Shawthing- unless he changes his system and tactics then we will continue to see repeated results. None of the criticism is based over 3 games. It’s based around 12 months now of ridiculous football, that I think we can all agree is not going to work in this league. He either must change his ways, or he will be out of a job sooner rather than later.
I don’t think any of the criticism is an overreaction.
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05 Sep 2024 12:52:39
Ken is going to voice his opinions, who'd have thought?
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05 Sep 2024 13:13:06
shawthing we are behind the team
eg- in my case £1500 a season ticket
extra tickets for cup games
costs to travel almost 300 mile return each home game
300 a year parking
god knows on merchandise
even more on crappy catering on offer at robbery prices
and on and on
lost earnings with fixture changes every month (seems like it)
its my and my sons choice and we do it with a simple expectation: that the jumped up never come down multi millionaires get off their designer friggin arses and try.
not win everything in sight but try.
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05 Sep 2024 13:36:18
A bit like yourself ajh. Or do you not voice yours.
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05 Sep 2024 15:13:40
Good point funky. I agree we are very earlyin the season but the lack of energy and apparent effort from one or two is noticeable.
The slowness of play out from the back is partly due to the complete lack of movement in front of them.
And I'd love to see some analysis of Rashford's effort, he seems to meander about for most of the game. I saw a video of his highlights from a few years ago, what on earth has happened to him.
Players may be out of form sometimes, but effort and energy are minimum requirements.
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05 Sep 2024 16:31:04
Of course the play and results must show a marked improvement. I'm not saying ETH should have an unlimited amount of time. I didn't even mention his name. I agree: if we continue in this manner in the period up to Xmas then I'm sure he will be quite rightly be replaced. I've said this before. But the weight of being a Man Utd player or manager will still be there. The press will be still be looking to exploit our failures. So whoever the manager and players are, we fans don't need to be piling the pressure on. It hasn't worked yet, and it probably won't going forward. The atmosphere is about as toxic now as it's ever been. We're 3 games in to a totally new era. Give it a break. For heaven's sake. Relax. Be positive, and things will turn out fine.
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05 Sep 2024 17:28:20
I'm very relaxed shawthing. I don't care 1 bit what any of the press or media say I've no interest. Don't read it is the solution to that.
I have every faith that ineos will turn things around but won't stop commenting on the journey.
At this point its crap and getting worse. It's OK to say that. Patience is required no doubt but saying its crap now doesn't mean I'm impatient just saying things as I see them at this point in time.
I don't think they should sack the manager bloke at the moment. They made a decision so they imo need to persevere with it and give him some time. But he needs to change a lot and I don't see any signs of any positive change so its probably only a matter of time before the manager makes his own position completely untenable.
Any comments on here will have zero impact on that.
Do you think you have put pressure on Anthony with your scathing remarks about him or do you think that's different?
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05 Sep 2024 17:39:10
Erm, nah, don't think so, not having that.
When I and my family and/ or mates graft our collective arse off to watch football, the very least we expect is effort and honesty.
If I see Rashford (and I mean visibly see him in the flesh) take the p*** out of me and every other fan, then I'll have my opinion and I've damn well earned the right to voice it.
All this chat about how we should 'consider his age' and how he 'needs to feel loved' - get to fk. He's 27 next month - an adult. I'm not going to debase myself by blowing kisses to someone who keeps flipping the bird in return.
When EtH insults my intelligence with some of the garbage that flows from his head, I have every right to criticise that too. I know he's trying to manage and massage egos at the same time, but I (paying fan of many years) am more Manchester United than any manager or player and therefore deserve better than to read or hear BS that completely contradicts the reality I've just witnessed a matter of feet away from me.
I'm no player, nor am I a coach, but I damn well know the game and fully respect the values which underpin it's place in our consciousness, just as I know when someone is showing no regard for me.
When Rashford loses the ball and decides against tracking back when we're being countered, or when he blatantly bottles a 50-50 with Konate, he's not putting the work in and is therefore showing a level of disregard towards fans who work their arses off to attend that simply cannot be sensibly mitigated by hollow sentiment.
When Erik talks s*** about a game I've just seen with my own eyes, then dismisses criticism of Rashford from a proper striker like Shearer as 'stupid', then no, he's also not getting the slack of gullibility from me.
In short, I pay for the privilege of watching my team and I damn well expect them to:
A, put the effort in, and
B, be honest.
I expect that of my staff and I give it back - that's simply called real-world values that should always be the minimum criteria for anything in life.
I'm afraid the 'pampered-footballers' and 'living in a bubble' BS doesn't wash with me - fix up or do one, it's that simple.
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06 Sep 2024 08:40:19
Ken; "Not all your posts are 100%supportive so wond (wind? ) your neck in and practise what you preach and don't lecture others or term then (tell them? ) what they must do. "
Strong in you oh the irony is. Hrmmm.
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06 Sep 2024 08:50:41
Ifizz that was my point thanks for the help. It's OK not to make supportive posts when you don't support or agree with things.
It's not our 'job' to sit there and say yes all is good and agree with with everything blindly.
Well done and thank you ifizz.
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06 Sep 2024 08:52:05
Hey fizzy what do you mean by strong in you oh the irony is. Not sure about that grammar 🤣🤣🤣.
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06 Sep 2024 14:06:50
Yoda speak.
The irony is you have berated people earlier and then suggested somebody wind their neck in.
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06 Sep 2024 14:36:51
I've not berated anybody. Yoda is he real or a puppet type thing? I didn't get that at all. Did he speak backwards or something. I know he is star wars but I never saw it.
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04 Sep 2024 17:35:23
Just thinking about the potentials to follow Antony going out on loan, if indeed it does happen.
It would leave us with a trio of wingers in Rashford, Garnacho and Amad.
I wonder, could this mean opportunities for one of the 5 U21 wingers looking to crash through?
Would it present a greater opportunity to see Fernandes placed out wide with one of Mount, Casemiro, Eriksen, Collyer or Gore selected in a 3 with Ugarte and Mainoo?
Or could it simply be that United are still actively seeking to rid themselves (even temporarily) of players who trigger such irritation amongst the fanbase?
Personally, irrespective of Bruno, I'd rather see Rashford out on loan than Antony because at least the latter can be bothered to graft - but let's please have no more of this 'high-intensity sprints' waffle again, it's embarrassing.
Tbf though, one winger or the other, room needs to be made ASAP to provide the academy prospects with opportunities because, as we all know, every transfer window is an opportunity for a well-run club (we seem to be transitioning back into one) to sell assets for decent fees with decent clauses - the more the club produces, the more it can underpin value with traction.
I know Rashford won't be going anywhere anytime soon though so, yes please, let's see comes next after Antony leaves on loan.
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04 Sep 2024 19:26:58
Ork.
We have about 55 plus games ahead of us this season. So it's going to be difficult.
Gore has played maybe 2 snr games in his life and not kicked a ball in anger for a year.
Collyer has got really good ability but is a long way off but will get good opportunities you'd imagine this season.
Ericksen, Mount and casimero will get the lions share of injury cover and rotation opportunities this season assuming 1st choices will be ugarte mainoo and Bruno.
Out wide you have 2 places and I agree amad rashford and garnacho when available will get the nod I think Anthony will get a fair amount of time. If he stays I don't see our manager bypassing him to select an u21 .
I hope Anthony leaves and casimero stays. If cas does leave we need a replacement and I'm not sure anybody is available on a free that is better or cheaper.
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04 Sep 2024 21:35:18
As it stands, I'd also prefer Casemiro to stay now that our window has closed and McTominay's gone, and yeah, I don't think there's really a much better option.
I like Rabiot. I think he'd be better as a fit for the system, but his mother represents baggage with baggage kicking baggage buns into the pond - I'd prefer the club employed her to break balls just for the craic. His mother makes him hard work.
After him, there's a monumental drop in quality available so I'd probably stick.
I reckon there must be a little part of Casemiro that is absolutely furious with himself - furious that, for whatever reasons, he has started the season looking overcooked and limited. He's not a limited player, we all know that, but he just looks so out of place and, unless he has the game to compensate for his legs going, it will continue as a poor conclusion to a hugely successful career.
It's a shame because he seems a decent character, but football's a brutal world and he currently looks like a passenger - he needs the slipper.
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05 Sep 2024 15:20:09
Ork rhodri would struggle with the current tactics in our team playing the role as per ieth's instructions.
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04 Sep 2024 06:02:15
I haven't seen anyone talk about Biancheri, a young lad we brought in from Cardiff a couple of years ago with a bit of fanfare. It went quiet yet am hearing he is developing quickly and catching the eye of Wilcox. Quick forward who has started season well with goals. Anyone had a good look at him?
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04 Sep 2024 11:12:41
Not seen anything of him redman.
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04 Sep 2024 12:10:26
He scored off the bench for the under 21s on Friday night and then played against Liverpool for the under 17s on Saturday and scored again. His movement looks good, seems to be a player that can get into good positions but not going to pretend I’ve seen enough of him yet to do a full profile.
The others that stand out in the under 18s are Mantata who is a direct right winger and always impresses every time I see him and Sam Mather who’s extremely tidy on the ball. The Fletcher brothers are also worth a mention, a lot of quality there and hopefully the attitude of their dad.
The interesting thing about how the under 18s play is that it feels like it’s the dominant possession based build up that ETH wants from the first team but doesn’t seem to quite be able to implement.
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04 Sep 2024 21:33:23
Bang him on the bench for a few games this season, see how he performs in games we have put to bed.
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05 Sep 2024 06:05:23
Jimbored we have to learn how to put games to bed first before we can throw on a few youngsters for experience.
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05 Sep 2024 06:57:14
Jimbo
We don’t score enough goals, didn’t last season either. Still lack a goal scoring CF. Even so When we were 3 nil up against Coventry we nearly blew it.
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05 Sep 2024 12:46:26
He seems to be playing more central now Red Man. He was out wide at times last year, looks a good finisher and certainly has talent.
Based on early season performances I think Jack Fletcher could be the one to keep an eye on.
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03 Sep 2024 12:48:17
One thing I don't really understand about Casemiro is that he clearly had this urge to play expansive passes at Real Madrid but toned it down and played it safe because he had Kroos and Modric alongside him in midfield. So he focused on protecting the back 4 and playing safe passes.
Now we very obviously don't have the quality of player like modric and kross in midfield but mainoo and bruno are not exactly amateurs.
Surely eth could have got him to tone it down a bit and not give the ball away 100 times a game.
I mean if this is ETHs plan to take so many risks in our own half, its never going to work.
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03 Sep 2024 16:25:23
As much as I dislike ETH and his coaching, you can’t pin that on him DSG.
It was poor individual mistakes from a very experienced player.
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03 Sep 2024 16:49:34
He gave the ball away 13 times before being hooked at half time.
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03 Sep 2024 20:40:33
Is it a case of overthinking, trying to make up for the earlier mistakes, taking bigger risks none of which were on.
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03 Sep 2024 23:44:14
Against Liverpool playing a press with their team waiting to step up to intercept the pass then the ball was always long into the corners attacking the high full backs.
Just because Cirry play out from the back doesn't mean everyone has too. You have Rashy behind Trent then play him into space, use what you have not what you want in dreamland to be.
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{Ed001's Note - but Liverpool didn't use high full backs. There was no space to lump the ball into as 3 players always stayed back. That was the difference between the defending, United allowed both full backs to go High, and too early as well, leaving acres of space to be exploited. The centre backs couldn't spread wide due to Jota.}
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