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24 Jul 2024 20:49:05
There was conversation on here a couple of day's ago about Joe Hugill and whether he should get a chance this season.
It would seem the issue has been resolved today as he has been withdrawn from the squad flying to U. S. A. He is on the verge of going on loan to Wigan. Hopefully an opportunity he makes the most of, he needs to start showing.
1.) 25 Jul 2024 20:35:13
He was very hit and miss at Burton, hopefully he can find some consistency at Wigan and a permanent move come the end of the season, somewhere he can build his career.
2.) 26 Jul 2024 11:20:49
Good young player who needs more mini at senior level to have any chance of kicking on.
Ultimately I doubt he'll be good enough for the level we want to be at, but he'll be a good professional at Championship/ bottom half of the EPL.
18 Jul 2024 20:32:12
Well, well, slap my thigh and call me Gladys! I never thought it would happen but the club have officially announced the signing of Leny Yoro on a deal to 2029 with the option of a further year.
They have also officially announced completion of the sale of Mason Greenwood to Marseille.
Move on to the next one now.
1.) 18 Jul 2024 20:39:49
Bugger, I missed.
Can I still call you Gladys?
Oh yeah, it seems like our club is no longer the shambles with custard it was before SJR came in.
Next one please.
2.) 18 Jul 2024 21:48:59
Rumour is we have agreed terms with Ugarte with just the fee to be agreed with PSG. That could move quickly too if true.
3.) 19 Jul 2024 07:48:31
PSG buying Neves it's rumoured so it makes a lot of sense that they will sell Ugarte.
4.) 19 Jul 2024 11:15:59
Greenwood moving on is excellent news in its own right. It allows both the player and the club to draw a line under the situation and move on. While I think the deal with Marseille is about as good a deal United could expect under the circumstances. They receive a decent fee initially, with potential for more add-ons down the line. While a large sell on percentage of any future transfer means the club will get something closer to his real valuation if he succeeds and gets a big move from Marseille.
As I've said previously, it's the out goings that are probably more important this summer. We seem to be clearing the decks fairly well so far. With the transfer of several others likely to happen over the coming weeks. I've got my fingers crossed that they can move on Sancho, clearly a talented player, but he has a very poor attitude that will only resurface at some point down the line. We need to move him on, but I appreciate that he will be the hardest player to sell of those we need to move on this summer due to his wages and the fee the club will need to sell him for. Maybe a loan with an obligation to buy next summer is the most realistic solution.
10 Jul 2024 15:53:40
It seems Mitchell van der Gaag has left the club with immediate effect, following the termination of his contract.
Ruud van Nistelrooy is 100% confirmed according to Romano.
1.) 10 Jul 2024 16:28:59
Ruud van Nistelrooy,
Tra-la-la la-la,
Ruud van Nistelrooy,
Tra-la-la-la-la-la.
Very happy Ruud is back at United in any role!
2.) 10 Jul 2024 17:22:43
Hopefully this will be the Ruud awakening that our coaching set up needs ?.
{Ed025's Note - good one that for you Shappy.. :)
3.) 10 Jul 2024 18:00:01
Only one sentence as well Ed025?.
{Ed025's Note - yeah well done Shappy mate, initially i thought you had worn your keyboard out.. :)
4.) 10 Jul 2024 18:16:25
Ed025, I've been posting on here for 15 years or more. I go through a keyboard a month??.
{Ed025's Note - i know you have Shappy its about the same time for me mate, but i thought it would be more than one a month.. :)
5.) 10 Jul 2024 18:47:07
I thought my browser was bugged and missing the rest of Shappy's post.
6.) 10 Jul 2024 20:44:02
Shame about van der Gaag. By all accounts he was quite popular among members to squad. I guess somebody has to take the fall for last season.
7.) 10 Jul 2024 22:18:54
Read the medical team has left too. Can't say I'm sad to see the backs of them.
8.) 11 Jul 2024 00:23:13
You can't get Ruuuuddd to our team because we got Ruuudd right now.
08 Jul 2024 18:08:02
It's being reported we have turned down a £30m bid from a club in europe for Amad Diallo. If true would suggest quite some faith in him.
1.) 08 Jul 2024 19:05:15
He needs a fair crack at the team next season, Antony is wack should really play him fullback because he ain’t a winger
And sancho / greenwood need to leave.
2.) 08 Jul 2024 19:10:44
He's easily our third best wide player behind Rashford and Garnacho. It'd be madness to let him go this summer with all of Sancho, Greenwood and Pellistri likely to depart.
3.) 08 Jul 2024 20:46:06
Greenwood off to Marseille it looks like, hopefully Sancho sorted next.
4.) 09 Jul 2024 08:50:03
Amad has done well on his loans, and he looked pretty good when he got chances this last season. Would ove to see him push on and oust Antony.
5.) 09 Jul 2024 08:55:03
Not an easy dig at Antny but I think Diallo looks to make things happen whenever he gets a chance - I like himand think he deserves a chance at a run in the team.
23 May 2024 19:16:15
Deal completed, Alvaro Fernandez has signed today for Benfica on a 5 year deal.
Fee about 6m euros. Not massive but all contributions to transfer fund gratefully received.
A good move all around, don't think he would of had much opportunity at O. T. Whilst he had promise, Harry Amass has well overtaken him and I think is likely to get opportunities before Alvaro would of.
We hold buy back clause, matching fee rights and sell on clause. Pretty well covers everything.
Good luck to him.
1.) 23 May 2024 20:01:00
Have . Not of ?.
2.) 23 May 2024 21:46:50
Fizz
You guesting at the cafe or something? ?.
3.) 23 May 2024 21:50:59
Great deal and keeps lines of communication open with Benfica. Neves and Silva would be great additions.
4.) 24 May 2024 11:07:41
Sounds like a good deal to me to jimbob. Good future proofing by the sounds of it.
5.) 26 May 2024 08:20:37
Good luck to him. Good move.
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14 Jul 2024 16:55:44
The club have officially announced the signing of Joshua Zirkzee.
The things we do to sell all those Z's lying around in the shirt name printing shop!
Let's hope for a long and productive stay at the club, can see him and Rasmus playing together at times as they have different skill sets which should compliment each other.
1.) 14 Jul 2024 17:20:37
Still struggling to understand us signing another forward with potential. We needed a Kane, and we signed Hojlund. I realise money is tight, and I guess we gave to cut our cloth accordingly, but our need hasn't changed.
2.) 14 Jul 2024 18:04:40
AJH
I agree, hard to understand another inexperienced centre forward. I can only hope the scouting is spot on.
3.) 14 Jul 2024 18:13:56
With grace and a fair wind, and Ruud's coaching, perhaps they will develop into the next Yorke and Cole.
4.) 14 Jul 2024 18:38:43
I have no shame in admitting that two weeks ago I'd never heard of this guy so am a little cautious. But I'd never heard of Kanchelskis, Solksjaer either, who became two of my favourite players. He looks the part and seems to have a unique skillset to complement what we have. Nice opening signing.
5.) 14 Jul 2024 19:13:57
I don't think they need to sign experience right now. INEOS want to build for the future and they see this as the best way forward. No player signing is going to guarantee success and is a 3/ 4 window project by which time the club how Zirkzee and Hojlund are more than capable.
Another thing, can we name any experienced striker out there that is attainable?
6.) 14 Jul 2024 19:32:29
Hear what you say, think it needs to be remembered though, that even if you have god almighty playing centre forward if he never get's the ball he won't score.
Also, transfer fees and wages for a 4 year period for Kane would still be more than Hojlund and Zirkzee together and I think that was a big part of the thinking and of course there is potentially a much longer time period of them playing for us.
The delivery to a striker MUST dramatically improve this coming season.
We will find out the answers soon enough.
7.) 14 Jul 2024 22:48:17
We need to build a whole new squad with no money. This is a good signing and we are sticking with hoylund who has been excellent in his first year and will improve. Zirkzee offers a different player who can challenge Rasmus. We are well into a deep reset of the squad. We needed it and it is happening. We are year or two away from adding the finishing touches.
8.) 15 Jul 2024 07:52:52
Great signing. And on last nights showing we dodged a real bullet with Kane.
9.) 15 Jul 2024 09:39:08
Kane is a great player, but would have cost over 100m for us to sign, been on massive wages and would potentially soon start declining.
I completely get the argument that we need someone with more experience. The problem is that we are not competing at the highest level, and we are unlikely to for 2 to 3 years. Which does not make us an attractive prospective new club to the very few elite strikers who we could sign.
Possibly the best available striker we could have got last summer would have been Ivan Toney, although he'd have cost us upwards of 60-70m and would have been banned until February.
He's a very good striker, but is a step below the elite level strikers.
10.) 15 Jul 2024 09:47:32
Catch 22.
11.) 15 Jul 2024 10:46:05
I could definitely see us challenging for bigger things next season, assuming we get 3-4 top starters this season and continue to strengthen. We've seen what we can do when we're on it. If we have a much better season re: injuries and get a couple in, we can have a positive season and push for top 4 and a cup this time round. Surely that's the aim.
13 Jul 2024 17:15:36
I see Omar Berrada has started work today, all the pieces seem to have fallen into place.
Amadou Onana on the verge of leaving Everton and signing for Villa for a fee of £50m. That will be the end of any deal for Branthwaite if it goes through.
Will be sad to see Willy go but a possible 11m euros plus buy back and big sell on clause seems a good deal, he is a huge Man Utd fan so probably difficult for him also. One issue that did concern me was his injury record, in 4 years with us he only played a total of 10 games.
Talking of stats, which no one is! a very interesting one on Kobbie, prior to the last eng game Kobbie had the highest pass completion rate of ANY midfielder in the entirety of the European Championships since records began in 1980. He could be pretty good when he grows up.
1.) 13 Jul 2024 18:33:55
Kobie's trajectory has been incredible. Joins the first team becomes a regular, is likely to start the Euros final. He has taken it all in his stride, he has been awesome. for both club and country. And yet 18 months ago, who had heard of him?
Surely we have a few more.
2.) 13 Jul 2024 19:18:24
Waiting for shea lacey.
3.) 13 Jul 2024 21:04:00
Yeah, there are a few more potential jewels in the academy system, but it's not just what they have in their feet that will decide their fate, but what they have by way of mentality. I think that will be the deciding factor for many of them.
The obvious ones for next season are Harry Amass, I mentioned him some months back and Toby Collyer a defensive midfielder, we signed him from Brighton 2 years ago. (He has just signed a new contract) he also has that 'thing' about him that makes him look different to others around him.
Although only 17 I would not be surprised at all to see Shea Lacey get some opportunities next season.
There is also Amir Ibragimov, he is younger at just 16 so still a bit to go, but a very gifted multi position forward. He really does seem a bit of a mentality monster, the joke around him being that he chews barbed wire for breakfast! he is very focussed! His elder brother is an MMA fighter and his 2 younger brothers are both at the academy as well. I am really looking forward to seeing how he develops, long way to go but finger's crossed for him.
I think most of us take more pleasure from seeing one of the academy lad's coming through and making it, like Kobbie has done, as he really has that 'he's special' look about him.
4.) 13 Jul 2024 21:31:41
Just as importantly, he seems to be a grounded, level-headed young fella. Hopefully no dramas to come with him!
5.) 13 Jul 2024 22:26:48
Toby Collyer is the next one.
6.) 13 Jul 2024 23:45:46
Why does it mean no Branthwaite?
7.) 14 Jul 2024 10:16:16
It doesn't mean no to brainthwaite. It just makes Evertons resolve a little bit more. They have a valuation, we have to get to their valuation or move on. That's as simple as it is.
8.) 14 Jul 2024 15:17:28
Better value in the market, move on surely angel?
9.) 14 Jul 2024 16:35:32
GDS, I think because of the improved financial position Everton now find themselves in, we would probably have to pay in excess of £70m to get a deal.
Given all that has been said by the new regime about not overpaying for players and this being their first transfer window, I do not expect an offer of that size to be made.
11 Jul 2024 18:52:01
Damn, don't know what happened there but to continue, and also Rene Hake have started work as first team assistant manager's.
1.) 11 Jul 2024 22:24:14
Interesting that he allegedly quit his previous role because players were unhappy with his methods.
Hopefully the primadonnas at Utd do not get too precious and get on board with the revival of fortunes.
03 Jun 2024 20:43:38
Six weeks tonight, first pre season friendly of new season, away to Rosenborg. Can't wait!
1.) 04 Jun 2024 22:53:17
Speaking of Europa league level opposition, does anyone else feel like it's a dead cert that United end up playing against Nice next season?
2.) 05 Jun 2024 08:56:43
Are there any stipulations around that scenario Shappy? Maybe they can't face eachother if drawn together or something? Although they could meet eventually the longer it goes on.
02 Jun 2024 15:36:55
Well, well, who could of seen that coming, Kylian Mbappe has signed a contract with Real Madrid for 4 years.
Seemingly, a 150m euro signing on fee, how is the poor boy ever going to manage!
1.) 02 Jun 2024 15:43:37
Let’s save our transfer kitty and get free signings! Yeah right. Wonder if Tosin will ask for a few quid from Chelsea.
2.) 02 Jun 2024 16:14:30
Ridiculous really, but fair play to Mbappe and his team.
3.) 02 Jun 2024 16:17:26
Exactly spenno, a false economy.
I believe Tosin is at his local hardware store right now, buying a couple of wheelbarrows to shift a great wad of cash. Can't blame him though.
4.) 02 Jun 2024 17:07:39
Dangerous precedence to set by Real. Players effectively receiving the transfer fee could be a disaster for many clubs. In a sense this is the logical extension of the Bosman ruling but it's taken until now to get invoked in this way.
{Ed002's Note - not a precedent - nothing to do with Real Madrid.}
5.) 02 Jun 2024 18:18:04
I'm a little confused why Real would give him this much money to sign on.
Surely they are in the box seat, if you want to play for us, you should be paying us €150 million, we won La Liga and CL without you.
6.) 02 Jun 2024 20:49:45
Plus which other club could come close to paying him such a big fee?
Madrid had no competition.
7.) 02 Jun 2024 21:18:20
We are going to see lots more of this.
Players will run their contacts down a lot more I believe.
8.) 02 Jun 2024 23:09:44
Ken, I reckon clubs will become more aware and if player's won't sign new deals there will be a readiness to sell rather than wait and hope.
9.) 03 Jun 2024 00:24:18
Madrid are financially astute and will make a lot back from the commercial opportunities that Mbappe open to them.
Let's be honest if we could have signed Mbappe for a massive amount no one would be complaining.
Madrid are replacing their older players with top quality youngsters. They are an excellently run club
That's what Utd have to aspire to.
10.) 03 Jun 2024 00:45:21
There have been a number of high profile free transfer switches I can think of and this is the biggest. The only surprise is that there hasn't been more of it.
11.) 03 Jun 2024 09:10:11
It is a precedent Ed002 to spend that amount. Clearly that's what I was referring to. Ofc there have been signing on fees before.
{Ed002's Note - You would be surprised how many players have been persuaded to run down their contracts and recieved a significant fee. PSG also had a contract with huge bonuses in with him. Ronaldo earns more than that per season.}
12.) 03 Jun 2024 09:31:41
The system in the NBA and NFL may not be something to replicate (draft, players with almost no choice on where they get traded to etc) but how trade compensation and contract amounts is agreed regardless of contract status is better. Currently there seems to be very few controls in football over either transfer fees or signing on fees.
13.) 03 Jun 2024 13:23:52
Iwotb.
Players cannot be sold unless they agree.
14.) 03 Jun 2024 16:23:16
I am well aware of that Ken, that is when negotiation would have to come into play.
You will have to try something as otherwise the lunatics will completely take over the asylum!
15.) 03 Jun 2024 17:29:35
Security will be prioritised by some players nobody wants to find themselves with a cruttiate ligament injury and no contract I feel a lot of the real high profile ones will be rare enough due to the numbers involved, but if I was Bruno foe example I'd stay at united and leave on a free in 2 years and pick up huge money if we are not competitive.
But there are risks to that strategy and a lot of players are being advised against their best interests at times simply because its in somebody else's best interests.
16.) 03 Jun 2024 20:58:58
Well there is a lot of layers to this if you have a few years left on x per year and then the club doesn't want to sell you but offers you a new contract on x times 2 3 or 4 I can see why you take it.
Given that if a player later really wants to leave many clubs will let them although obviously for a few.
Running down your contract may seem too far away for some compared to rewards now or going now to the club or manager who they really want to be at now may be to big to resist.
I don't begrudge any player earning whatever they can or going where they want for whatever reason they want.
17.) 04 Jun 2024 11:45:22
Exactly oakbark.
I can't understand the need to comment on their earnings. They have a right to maximise their incomes and to develop their wealth.
18.) 05 Jun 2024 02:40:57
The €150m signing on fee is so high to offset the near 50% pay cut Mbappe has taken to sign for Real. There’s been plenty high signing on fees and agent fees in the past. Pretty sure Neymar’s parents got something like €50m from Barca? Think Haaland got something similar from City. Granted it’s a 1/ 3rd of what Mbappe’s got but they got pay rises on top of it.
19.) 05 Jun 2024 08:12:31
DONRED - plenty of NFL clubs still have players they are paying who stopped playing 3-5 seasons ago as their contracts are so big the clubs have to keep asking the individuals to defer well into retirement as they have to balance their books - that's no way to go.
I Want Our Trophy Back's rumour replies
20 Jul 2024 00:58:49
Don't think a deal has been agreed yet, it is expected he will make a decision in the next few days.
He does seem to be a hell of a prospect, last season he scored 10 goals in an U16s game for Arsenal v Liverpool in a 14-3 win.
He is Danish, so if he does come hopefully Rasmus can help him settle.
15 Jul 2024 21:07:21
It's being reported nowhere yet.
05 Jun 2024 19:28:34
Underbidding? None of us know the fact's, so can only go on rumour.
It is reported that Lille value Yoro at approx 60m euros and we have reportedly offered 60m euros!
That does not seem anything other than a very fair offer to me, indeed more than you would expect from a first offer, and if true show's the seriousness of our interest. Supposedly, Madrid are only prepared to pay 40m euros.
If any of the foregoing is true it would suggest a very different approach from the previous regime.
{Ed002's Note - Lille are not selling Yoro for €60M.}
17 May 2024 19:46:19
Part of a deal for Olise would be good.
19 Apr 2024 19:36:54
It's very good news, thought it was close when they let Murtough go.
Need Ashworth sorted as soon as, then get on with proper planning for the future.
I Want Our Trophy Back's banter replies
25 Jul 2024 19:01:28
Not sure I agree with that Ken, think it does matter to plenty.
25 Jul 2024 15:03:14
Don't know if he said that Wazza, but would be slightly surprised as he is absolutely obsessed with Ronaldo (it's why he signed for us, wanting to follow his footstep's) so would of thought No7 would be his wish.
Would imagine Mount (current holder of No7 shirt) is pretty much on trial this coming season, he will have to perform or could be on his way. So tell Alejandro if he keeps his performance levels improving he is in with a good shout of being the No7. Hopefully this will incentivise him on.
21 Jul 2024 19:52:05
The issue with Hugill is that he is exclusively a goal scorer, albeit a very good one, he does not really get involved with any other aspects of the game. If you are creating plenty of opportunities it's fine, but given our service to the striker he might need to expand his game somewhat.
Having said that no reason why he should not get a chance to show what he can do, he is almost 21 so something needs to start happening for him.
21 Jul 2024 00:00:50
Totally agree Dodgy, his goal to chance record was second only to Haaland. Even with a supposedly proven goalscorer, how are are they going to score more goals unless the service dramatically improves.
If the service to a striker dramatically improves, given the high conversion rate of Rasmus, then by definition Rasmus will become a proven goalscorer!
It's not a proven goalscorer we need, it's just someone who can get the ball, consistently and accurately, into the striker.
17 Jul 2024 15:52:15
Ed001 the only way Maguire get's up to top speed is if he is launched from an aircraft carrier by the firing mechanism!
Thanks for the analysis, I really think he looks the business. Have to say will only believe it is happening when the club officially announce it. It's the hope that will kill you!
{Ed001's Note - he looks like he will be a great signing, if it goes through ok. The big worry with a youngster like that is that they can have a tendency to think they have made it and slacken off a bit. But he dreams of Madrid, so he has to keep knuckling down and working to get them to want him.}