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21 Jun 2021 12:12:34
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20 Jun 2021 11:09:06
I heard from a mate who's an Everton season ticket holder that they are willing to let calvert-lewin leave this summer. Have any of the eds heard that we have shown any interest in him? I think he could be a good signing for us.

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{Ed025's Note - hes going nowhere danny mate..

20 Jun 2021 13:59:47
Imagine he's desperate to cement his place in Liverpool legend Rafa Benitez's squad.

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{Ed025's Note - now thats a different kettle of fish rosie, but i cant wait to see how that plays out mate..

20 Jun 2021 14:24:30
He's a good player and he's in the right place for his development.

He needs another season or too at Everton and who knows where they'll be if the keep hold of him.

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{Ed025's Note - hes a good prospect utd road but still a bit green around the gills, he needs to brush up on his finishing but i do believe there is a good player in there, i think your right about him being at the right club mate...well for now..

20 Jun 2021 14:42:18
Needs to become more interested in contributing when the ball is played on the grass.

Amazing aerial ability though and has a fantastic leap.

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20 Jun 2021 16:22:43
He's a good player no doubt, but I don't think he is ready for a move to a team expected to challenge for honours. I also don't think his style of play suits how we set up.

We like our strikers to be able to rotate with the wide players, and be able to play delicate link up play.

It doesn't always work but you can see the intention.

DCL plays more like a throwback CF. He backs into players and uses hi strength to hold the ball up. He isn't as mobile, but he does work hard. He'd be a useful plan B type option. But he lacks the pace, mobility and ability to pull wide that United like in their forward players.

Personally I think Ollie Watkins would be a much better fit for how United try and play.

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20 Jun 2021 17:20:07
Well no need for him to come to United then. because we definitely ain't challenging for any honours with this current setup.

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20 Jun 2021 20:29:58
No, and no thanks. besides, the lazy journalists already have him teaming up with Carlo at Real :D.

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20 Jun 2021 20:31:55
£85 million on Sancho
£25 million on Trippier
£50 million on Varane

With no departures looking likely.
After 18 months of lockdown.
It doesn't add up im afraid.

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20 Jun 2021 22:26:48
£85 MILLION
+
£25 MILLION
+
£50 MILLION
=
£160 MILLION

IT DOES ADD UP.

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20 Jun 2021 09:31:53
Good morning all.
Ed, would it be possible for you to provide an update on the clubs pursuit of Sancho and Pau Torres please? Very grateful for your time.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) The clubs are still negotiating over Sancho with Dortmund keen to resolve the situation as they are working on a replacement. (b) Torres is more likely to be heading elsewhere.}

20 Jun 2021 10:08:57
Good information. Ed002, I'm assuming that elsewhere for Pau Torres will be Real Madrid as a replacement for Ramos?

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{Ed002's Note - Or Manchester City as a replacement for Laporte.}

20 Jun 2021 10:53:22
Thanks so much Ed002.
With Torres likely heading elsewhere, United I’m assuming will now push for Varane?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, I think so.}

20 Jun 2021 11:01:33
Ed002, that's interesting. Didn't realise that Laporte could be heading elsewhere.

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{Ed002's Note - Ok.}

21 Jun 2021 11:38:52
Thanks for all info as always Ed002, very much appreciated.

Maybe reading too much into this, but guessing Torres’ potential destinations are now Real Madrid, Man City and Man United . (don’t fancy our chances here! )

Guessing also that, given as you say, that PSG want a high profile French signing, that they’re interested in Varane also. (again, not looking good for United here. )

Thus, don’t suppose you’d mind Ed002 giving an info about Torres’ and Varane’s preferred destinations and also, if United don’t sign either of these, if you think that they’ll then go for Ben White, Kounde or Nicola Milenkovic of Fiorentina?

Thanks as always for any information you can provide - know you’re probably brokering a huge deal or king making someone glamorous!

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to comment on preferred destinations but Varane has always been open to a move to England in the past. I have explained where interest otherwise rests with CBs but nothing is happening specifically right now - and probably won't until a decision is taken over Varane.}

21 Jun 2021 12:06:23
Wow that was quick - thank you! Really appreciate your info, thank you.

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19 Jun 2021 14:15:44
Eds do you know if there has been any development with regards Pogba staying (signing new contract) or leaving?
Also has there been any interest in 1899 midfielder Florian Grillitsch?

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{Ed002's Note - (a) There is nothing new as such as far as I know about Pogba. There is limited interest in him this summer. He probably needs to be patiant and bide his time until his contract runs out next summer. (b) Yes, lots but this is the Manchester United page.}

19 Jun 2021 15:07:42
Sorry I meant to add in if there was any interest shown by United in him?

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{Ed002's Note - No Leanoard - several other clubs.}

19 Jun 2021 21:14:27
No chance United will let him do a Donnarumma on us.

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19 Jun 2021 22:58:11
Grim, he's free to talk to clubs in less than 6 months. He will most definetely leave for free next year.

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21 Jun 2021 09:02:25
Ed would a pogba varane swap not make sense for both sides?

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{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt that would work.}

18 Jun 2021 18:24:36
Reports that ole is going make a definitive decision on the number 1 spot and has opted for Henderson.

Not an easy call to make and leaves the club in a tough position with DDG.

An alexis type loan deal most likely for him I assume if he wants first team football next season.

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18 Jun 2021 22:23:23
The sensible decision.

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19 Jun 2021 07:32:32
The sensible decision in what way? DDG has been a loyal servant, Henderson has had one good season at Sheff Utd and has more market value. Just because it’s the decision you’d make doesn’t make it sensible Shappy. Think i speak for many on here when I say the sooner you realise that the better.

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19 Jun 2021 07:37:47
What are the loan options, most clubs seem settled in the goalkeeping department, and then there is the matter of his £375k a week wages to cover.

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19 Jun 2021 07:57:45
Thats why its going to have to be an alexis type deal where we pay a fair chunk of the players wages while they play for their loan club.

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19 Jun 2021 09:21:28
Red Whiskey, DDG has continued to decline every year for the past 3 seasons. That is not a blip but a clear pattern of decline.

Currently Henderson and DDG although having different strengths and qualities are probably on par.

So if you have two keepers, on a similar level, but one is declining while the other is improving then surely backing the keeper who is on the up is the sensible thing to do.

DDG has been a loyal servant and he has been paid handsomely for it. He is the highest paid player in the league, yet he isn't even in the top ten best players in the league currently. He has also had a little dig at the club in a post wishing Romero the best. Saying that Romero deserves to be treated well by his next club. He might be 100% right in what he is saying. Yet to publicly back a player leaving the club over the club doesn't look great.

Personally given that it will be hard to sell DDG this summer then loaning him out seems like the best and most sensible decision.

That way both keepers understand their role and it removes the indecision that has impacted both of their performances this season.

Henderson gets a shot at proving himself without the spectre of DDG hanging over his head.

DDG gets a fresh club to play at which might give him the jolt needed to get him back to his best form.

While if Henderson flops then we still have DDG on the books to come back.

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19 Jun 2021 09:30:51
RedWhiskey

What are you on about? It looks like you have a massive soft spot for DDG. Logically thinking, DDG does not deserve to be first choice gk anymore. He has been horrible for past three years and yet is the highest paid player in the league.

Form loss usually only last for weeks or months. DDG has lost his form for 3 years now which means he is in decline. As much he has done for the club, it is time to say good bye.

It is sad to see many people slating henderson just because he is here to replace their beloved DDG. Henderson is still learning and can only be better. He is better in everthing compared to DDG except shot stopping. To be fair, DDG has never been good at anything except shot stopping and there was no one better than him.

As Shappy said, sensible thing is to go for Henderson as first choice and sell DDG. If he was at low wage then i would understand but he is at incredibly stupid wage which is not healthy for the club.

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19 Jun 2021 10:31:40
Henderson is a perfectly adequate goalkeeper, but is that what we want, adequate.

We all agree that DDG needs to be moved on, ideally he would like to go back to Madrid, but neither club there looks an option at the moment. Heard that he sounded out Barcelona as he is close friends with Aguero, but the money situation is too difficult to overcome.

The more you look at it the madder his contract looks, with three years to run and £60million still due to him. Those are big numbers for loan clubs to consider and even bigger for United for someone who might not be playing for you, dwarfs the cost of sacking Jose which cost us only £20million.

Personally I would prefer if we went for someone like Meslier, who is already ahead of Henderson in ability, yet three years younger.

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19 Jun 2021 10:50:58
Grim, he only has two years left on his contact until June 2023. I fully agree that in hindsight the length and size of his contract seems like a bad decision.

I disagree that Henderson is merely "adequate". I think he is a very talented keeper. I'm also not the only one, with teams such as Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all having had him seriously scouted and interested in signing him (although with PSG signing Donnarumma I expect their interest has gone now) .

Top sides are interested because they see the talent in him. I'd say his current level is greater than that of DDG during his first couple of season's with us.

It would be madness of the club to let him go without giving him a season as first choice to see if he can prove himself at the highest level.

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19 Jun 2021 11:40:05
For me there is no contest between them. If DDG can restore his confidence, which is the problem, then in terms of skill I haven't seen Henderson do anything in the numerous chances he was given last season to suggest he's anywhere near the same level. He's English and has come through our ranks and people like that. But he's not really done a thing as far as I'm concerned other than play well for a lesser side on loan where he was tested far more often.

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19 Jun 2021 11:56:26
Hendo for me all day long. If we lose him we will be searching for a new number 1 in a year or 2 and will struggle to find a keeper as good as him because if he's playing every week he's going to get better.

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19 Jun 2021 12:40:00
Option on the additional year Shappy, we usually extend those because we want to get a fee for a player. With the exception of the Dog Walker, have we ever let a player at DDG's level go without asking for money in return?

I agree Henderson is talented, but so is Lingard, at United he is a squad player, not a first team player.

Interesting that Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all looked at Dean. However PSG decided on Donnurumma, Dortmund went with Kobel, Spurs were actually looking at Maignan until he went to Milan, Chelsea considered Donnarumma, but now he has gone to PSG will stick with what they have and Arsenal want Onana.

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19 Jun 2021 13:52:27
The problem is, is that DDG has made mistakes for the past 3 years and until this season wasn't dropped. Romero deserved to be our number 1.

In OGS first season DDG cost us a place in the CL by making some very silly errors, which were partly down to OGS wanting to play out from the back. The club then went on to offer him a huge new contract, which he didn't deserve due to how poor his form was. Even Mourinho said on Sky Sports that is was very surprised that he got a deal like that given how poor he had been.

OGS can't make a decision. He Brough Henderson back, left Romero in the lurch and the only GK who was probably happy was Grant.

I can't wait for the club to offer pogba a new monster deal and watch him play poorly again. He clearly doesn't want to be at the club. During the Euros his comments have made it obvious.

Utd are a poorly managed club, run by amateurs.

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19 Jun 2021 14:08:12
There is no proof that Henderson will only get better and improve and there is no proof that a goalkeeper at 31 will keep declining.
The only real question is if we believe Henderson will become a top top keeper, i personally don't. So we have two options:
1) We believe in him becoming a top keeper and far better than the current ability of De Gea so we keep him.
2)We don't believe in him and believe that it is a risk so we sell him NOW because now his price is higher. After 1-2 average seasons his price will go down. Furthermore between two "average" keepers i would prefer the one with the expiration date (De Gea) . He has two year contract and we have enough time to think about his replacement if we won't renew his contract. He will also be 33 and we will have an easy desicion. With Henderson it will not be an easy desicion because of age and nationality, so if he is half decent stick with him so stick with an average keeper.
So the sensible choice is stick with De Gea and at the same time try to find his replacement after 1-2 seasons.

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19 Jun 2021 14:14:59
Hatter,

You’ve just said OGS can’t make a decision then described the decision he made. I think what you mean is he made a decision you didn’t agree with which is different.

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19 Jun 2021 14:37:30
Id sell them both and go for Oblak. You never know until you ask.

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19 Jun 2021 15:17:47
Is this a new trend over here where players are judged without being given a proper chance to prove themselves? And yet we got Ole in charge.

I agree DeGea is the more experienced and better shot stopper of the two and if possible I would have him as No.1 with Henderson as backup rotating with him and gaining experience in the process.

However, if we have to make a choice then based on the mistakes made by both I would keep Henderson as he is much younger and a better all round keeper and has time on his side to improve upon his weakness. I would give him a season to see if he can step up and if not we can always get someone better.

The problem though is with DeGea's contract right now and we somehow need to handle that.

GrimisnotDead as far as Lingard is concerned he was given more than enough chances in the first team which he failed to take. And other teams haven't come in for Hendo probably because we are not yet ready to let him go.

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19 Jun 2021 16:02:25
It's definetely the riskier of the options. Ole immediately alienated Lukaku upon his arrival in place of the local lad. After numerous options up front the situation will require major attention at the end of this season. Will history repeat itself?

I personally think it's the wrong decision but I hate the idea of rotating GKs. If he's chosen Henderson then so be it.

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19 Jun 2021 21:08:56
LPU, wasn't Lingard only behind Lukaku in the scoring stats in 17/ 18 under Jose, hardly not taking his chance. He then had his dip in form which was due to his well know off field issues. Ole initially refused to let him go on loan, its was only because Jesse forced the issue that Ole buckled, and you have to agree he took his chance at WH.

Teams haven't come in for Hendo because clubs know we aren't ready to let him go? That is not how football works, if a club was truly interested in him they would have already sounded out his agent about the possibility of a move, the fact that the majority have scouted him and moved on says alot.

But that is the beauty of football, we all have opinions, for me Henderson would be perfect for an Everton or West Ham, but not a top four team, which is what we expect to be.

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20 Jun 2021 04:47:01
GrimisnotDead, Lingard played well for a while but he was afforded a lot of chances to make the position his own which he failed to do so. So, effectively he has not taken his chance.

How do you know that other clubs haven't come in for him? And without even giving Henderson a proper chance why are you even judging him to not be good for us? Just give him a chance to prove himself before making a hasty judgement.

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20 Jun 2021 07:53:18
Grim, I don't think Lingard and Henderson's situations are comparable.

Lingard has made 133 appearances for the club over a 7 year period, under three different managers.

Henderson has made 13 appearances, in one year, under one manager, with 8 of them coming in a run of consecutive games.

Teams have come in for Henderson, they have approached his agent and they have approached the club and have been met with a flat out no.

The fact they have moved on when a top club have refused to sell them a player, only says they are well run and not stupid.

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20 Jun 2021 08:12:12
Herrera, while there might not be any definitive proof that a 24 year old goalkeeper will continue to improve. It's pretty well accepted that most players hit their peaks in their late 20's or early 30's. With keepers often hitting their peaks later and sustaining it for longer.

So while there is not proof that Henderson will improve, probably around 90% of keepers at his age will continue to improve.

Is there any definitive proof that DDG will continue to decline? No, but he has shown a steady and continuous decline over the past 3 seasons. That's more than a blip. Poor form lasts week's, maybe months, but not years.

For me the only way I see DDG rediscovering his form is if he moves and has a new challenge. Even then I doubt that will see him return to his absolute best.

For me he is a similar keeper to Casillas. Great shot stopper, average at everything else. Even at his peak DDG was weak in the air, his distribution was average, his command of his area was poor. But he made saves that no one had a right to make. His reactions were freakish.

The issue is as you age your reaction speed declines first. We saw it with Casillas and we are seeing it with DDG. His shot stopping is still way above average, but it's not anywhere near where it was when he was 26. And in my opinion it never will be again.

This has exposed DDG's lack of quality in all other goalkeeping departments. His inability to play out from the back has seen him lose his spot for the national team, first to Kepa now to Simon.

Both decent keepers but not world class.

The reality is that he is likely to continue to decline. Apparently Ole has set him with specific training to try and improve his distribution. Something I wonder why no other managers/ goalkeeping coaches have done. Over the past 8 years he should have been working to improve his weaknesses and make himself a better all round keeper, that would have mitigated his loss in reaction time as he aged and would have kept him near the top.

Currently there are maybe 4 or 5 keepers in the EPL better than him. With some young ones who over the next year or so might overtake him as well. Dean Henderson being one of them.

I expect if you went to all the top sides and offered them DDG or Henderson right now for the same price, say 30m. The majority would pick Henderson. That tells you all you need to know about who should be out No.1.

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20 Jun 2021 08:38:42
I miss van der Sar : (.

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20 Jun 2021 09:39:56
Trololo, I miss VDS, my personal favourite keeper during my lifetime.

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17 Jun 2021 14:36:08
Hi Ed002,
Went through one of your comments in the Chelsea page that one club will make a huge push for Varane.

Is it United?

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, but there is interest from elsewhere as well.}

17 Jun 2021 15:06:52
Wow. Thanks for the info Ed.

I believe Varane would hugely transform our defense similar to what Dias and VVD have done.

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17 Jun 2021 15:28:59
Surely they won't allow Varane to leave aswell as Ramos?

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17 Jun 2021 16:12:46
I hope we sign Varane. Appreciate he's had some injury problems and we don't want a player who misses games, however, he's a fantastic defender and could help turn our central defence from a weakness to a strength in our side.

Not only is he individually a very good player but he would compliment Maguire's lack of pace.

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17 Jun 2021 17:32:41
Maybe we could swap him for pogba?

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17 Jun 2021 17:37:19
Varane will be my first choice and he will be the first proper defender since the Rio and Vidic days.

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17 Jun 2021 17:45:01
Varane would add 12 points to us.

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17 Jun 2021 20:33:20
Swap for Pogba would genuinely be a brilliant deal. Gets rid of a problem for United and brings in a massive upgrade at CB.

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17 Jun 2021 20:52:34
Hey ed, does this mean that Pau Torres is someone that United aren't looking at?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

17 Jun 2021 21:09:54
Joel Glazer said the club would invest this year. Sancho and Varane alone would be huge.

If we where to get Kane or Ronaldo and DM that would be a dream

There'll be no excuses for Ole next year.

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17 Jun 2021 21:15:34
As things stand i think its either Varane or Pau Torres. If there is a chance we get both of them i would be over the moon.

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17 Jun 2021 21:31:26
Is Torres all that or do we just get sucked in by the usual names. He didn’t look like an upgrade. Varane on the other hand would be a Rolls Royce in a sidestreet banger auction. Can’t see him fancying it, Chelsea more like.

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17 Jun 2021 21:44:57
So good to see we are linked with Varane and Torres. We need both. That’s the dream though. One massively improves us though.

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17 Jun 2021 21:55:27
Imagine a defence of Varane and Torres, if only that was a reality and not a drew.

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17 Jun 2021 22:44:55
Apparently Madrid want 80m we offered 50m…for once I’ll side with us on this, no way should we pay that when he’s got 1 year left on his contract. Madrid always see us coming don’t they!

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17 Jun 2021 23:11:02
Torres is a very good reader of the game Spenno. Maybe great. He has a good left foot but he is not so strong and for his height he is not great in the air. He is a bit like our own Lindelof but taller. If he comes here he must strength his core.
He would be the ideal defender if the club didn't make the huge mistake with Maguire. He can clearly play the Maguire role much much better than him and compared with a player like Varane would make things better.

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18 Jun 2021 17:12:55
I guess it comes down to what someone wants to pay but I think 50 mill for Varane is fair opening offer.

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18 Jun 2021 18:31:18
It seems more like a closing offer boyfrom. He is 28-29, he has a year left in his contract and wants to leave. Taking all this into consideration 50 million pounds is a very bug offer.

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{Ed077's Note - What does a "very bug offer" mean??;-P

18 Jun 2021 21:59:57
Know what you are saying Herrera, but weeks ago I thought all this tabloid talk of him being available for 35-40 mill was daft. Not my money but i'd of gone to 50 mill and I think our offer of 50 mill if true plus maybe 3-4 mill linked to trophies won would be as high as we should go.

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18 Jun 2021 19:01:31
Haha Ed077. No way i mean "big" 😝.

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19 Jun 2021 07:58:10
Varane has apparently been trying to leave Madrid since 2017 and yet he is still there. Now Ramos has gone, expect Varane's contract to be extended.

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19 Jun 2021 19:22:05
There is no way Man United bid anywhere near £50 million for Varane.

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20 Jun 2021 08:00:24
Real Madrid don't let their players leave on the cheap and we either should decide to pay up or move on to alternate options and not let this drag on just like Sancho.

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16 Jun 2021 14:09:55
I've been told by someone who occasionally gets wind of information before a few others that we might be looking into a deal with Brighton for Ben White, with Axel Tuanzebe heading the other way either on loan or permanently.

Has any of the Ed's or anyone else heard this through the grapevine?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

16 Jun 2021 15:49:34
Sounds like he's just got wind Shappy.

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16 Jun 2021 16:39:19
Well that solves that then😂.

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16 Jun 2021 18:58:21
It would make sense if Ben White is off to someone else and Axel comes in as a replacement.

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16 Jun 2021 19:25:51
Thought Arsenal had bid for Ben White?

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12 Jun 2021 03:59:45
Hello Ed002. Do you have information about Martial being available for transfer this summer? If yes, what are his options?

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have shown no intention of selling him but his agent is unhappy with the situation and will see if there are options available - so nothing has changed.}

12 Jun 2021 10:44:32
A shame Martial never developed in the way I hoped after that first season. I thought there was some potential to become a very good player back then.

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12 Jun 2021 11:35:00
So much ability but no desire.

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12 Jun 2021 13:07:50
And sadly no footballing brain - If you are a defender and can match him stride for stride what else has he got? Not bad at dribbling, butnot great in the air, will he out smart you in the box, or out muscle you or press you into a mistake, pop up where you don't expect him - . no, very rarely will he do any of that, and then when you tackle him a few times and he can't get the better of you after 60 minutes his head drops . A real shame.

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12 Jun 2021 18:47:12
He had a spell at the end of last season, but for me has never looked as promising as on his debut, when I believe he scored a cracker vs Liverpool. Just never looks up for it.

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12 Jun 2021 19:13:24
Forgive me being naive but what can his agent be unhappy about? He’s really well paid in the squad, has got his No9 Shirt back and played up front all’s Eason until it was proven he want actually a very good striker?

If he or Martial have an issue then good riddance.

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12 Jun 2021 22:02:21
Real Madrid online with an option to buy seems to the rumours. probably from his agent.

A good loan to bump his value or refresh him would be good idea.

Then Viva Ronaldo for one last dance.

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13 Jun 2021 09:12:05
While I agree that Martial isn't good enough to be first choice, I'm a little surprised at how quickly everyone wants to boot him out the door.

I mean if we got rid of every player who wasn't good enough to be first choice for us then at no point in our history would we ever have had more than about 14-16 players in our first team squad at most.

Martial doesn't lack for talent, he's quick, has good feet, great technique, can dribble, can link play and is probably only behind Greenwood at our club in terms of how clinical he is in front of goal.

He only has two issues, the first is he picks up a few niggling injuries across a season which can make it hard to maintain momentum when you're in and out of the side. However, the biggest issue he has is his mentality. He doesn't cope well when under pressure for his starting spot.

All that said, there is absolutely no point throwing him out the club while he offers a good squad option.

Rashford is best played on the left, while Greenwood is developing. My gut says Greenwood will eventually move centrally, maybe sooner rather than later. Yet currently he will share his time between RW and CF. That leaves a 34 year old Cavani as our first (and best) choice centrally. Cavani however does struggle with fitness and injury and that isn't likely to improve next season.

Martial offers good coverage for Cavani up top and Rashford on the left.

If we sign Sancho (which looks likely) then what looks stronger for us next season:

Rashford, Martial, Cavani, Greenwood, Sancho.

Or

Rashford, James, Cavani, Greenwood, Sancho.

I mean if someone comes along and makes a good offer for him then sell him and move on. But let's not try and force a good if not great player out the door for little reason.

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14 Jun 2021 09:21:15
When Tony was bought I had hoped for a Thierry Henry type in the making. he's been only good in spots but and he's no talisman and we need a leader up front too. This isn't a knee jerk reaction. Four or five years these questions have been asked. His on field body language is in stark contrast to Cavani - which is the standard he's aiming for. For me he doesn't even tick the box of "impact sub" because he's just not the bustling, harrying type to come on and unsettle opposition defenders. His standard at the minute is as an expensive sub - I'd hoped for so much more.

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14 Jun 2021 12:08:41
Shappy the point is he thinks he should be the first name on the team. He simply doesn’t warrant that. He’s been here long enough now but still hasn’t put together a run of form for long enough to be unstoppable. We have decent squad players as it is, we won’t miss him too much. He’s had plenty of strikers to learn from but I still see not much improvement since we bought him.

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14 Jun 2021 16:20:05
Get him and the manager out of the club.

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14 Jun 2021 17:37:44
Shappy, for me it’s about being the most saleable asset out of those who aren’t in our regular/ best XI.

I don’t think anybody would put him in our best team and I think we’d comfortably get £40m for him.

In a summer where we need a RB, CB, DM and RW, an extra £40m in the kitty will be required.

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14 Jun 2021 18:09:28
I just feel that one of the issues we have compared to City is a lack of strength in depth.

We have at least 10 players who aren't good enough even as squad players for a title winning side.

You might be able to get away with one or two at that level, but not a third of the first team squad.

People complain about the manager not making subs, but who is typically on the bench who you think could make a real difference and isn't a big downgrade on the players on the pitch?

I'd have no problem getting rid of Martial, as long as we are going to get a replacement.

If Martial leaves this summer then we will need a replacement.

We might get 40m for him, but Kane or Haaland will cost 3 to 4 times that much.

Even cheaper squad options like Andre Silva or Moussa Dembele would cost close to the 40m we would get for Martial.

I just think selling Martial this summer creates more work in terms of actually agreeing his departure and then finding and negotiating a replacement.

If we sign Sancho then our first choice front three will be: Rashford, Cavani and Sancho, with Martial and Greenwood offering cover for both wide left, wide right and through the centre.

Who do we realistically have beyond Martial and Greenwood to offer cover?

James (who sadly isn't good enough, too one dimensional), Diallo (who has had less than 200 minutes playing time for us), Pellistri, Shoretire.

Or do we keep the likes of Mata, Lingard and Andreas Pereira?

If we sell Martial then we get injuries to Cavani and Rashford then we would be left with a front three of James, Greenwood and Sancho to carry us for however long they are out for. Considering Cavani and Rashford's injury records that isn't a stretch of the imagination.

I fully agree Martial isn't good enough to be first choice, but he is arguably the best of the rest for us. Selling him and not replacing him only benefits the Glazers.

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14 Jun 2021 19:10:04
What's the strength in depth City have? If their front three is Sterling Jesus and Mahrez then they have Bernardo Torres and Foden. We have Kavani Rashford Martial Mason Mata Amad and next year Sancho, kost of them can make a job. Then they can use De Bruine up front but we can also use Pogba at Rashfords position.
We have three midfielders for the defencive job in Fred Scot Matic and three for the attacking job in Pogba Donny and Bruno. Its ridiculous how Shappy every respond say that we have not the players and its not managers fault.

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14 Jun 2021 21:49:13
Everyone forgetting about Elanga? Surely he can do the martial role shadowing rashford on the left? Amad on the right shadowing Sancho? Then sell martial and use that money to invest in the squad?

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15 Jun 2021 09:05:01
Herrera, why always bring it back to the manager. At no point in my post did I mention the manager.

This is one of the issues with the site, when a debate grows into something all consuming people are thrown into on of two camps. Then every post they make HAS to be about backing their opinion on that debate.

Forget the manager, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether it's Ole, Jose, of God himself. They won't overthrow the current City side with the squad we have.

If you can't objectively stand back and understand that City have a stronger squad than us then there is probably little point debating football with you. Which would be a shame as I think you're a good poster.

City won the league in a congested season at a canter purely because they have a much stronger and deeper squad than everyone else.

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15 Jun 2021 09:52:59
What’s the point having a player who’s probably worth a decent fee, who’s game has not improved, can barely bring a smile to his face wearing our famous red shirt, gets injured quite often and whinges that he’s not starting when there are more deserving of the start?

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15 Jun 2021 11:46:22
RedWhiskey, Long term I'd get rid of Martial. I just don't think this summer is the right time.

If we are honest we could both name a dozen players at United who need to leave and currently aren't putting in performances worthy of their wages.

Joel Pereira, Grant, Jones, Bailly, Dalot, Mata, Lingard, Andreas Pereira and Chong. None of them have contributed more than Martial last season or the season before. All should leave before Martial.

We then have players who are in the maybe camp, good players who might be worth keeping for another season to see if they can step up, but they are far from safe. Players like Tuanzebe, Williams, Fred, James, Donny and I would place Martial in this category.

So in the need to leave this summer and the might need to go next summer categories we have 15 of our first team squad.

That doesn't include players like Pogba who will either leave this summer for a fee or next on a free, Matic and Cavani who at best have one more season left in them. But fitness and availability will be an issue. While we will need to ideally sell one of Henderson of DDG as that situation is unsustainable.

Which is ideally another sale or two this summer (keeper and Pogba) and two further departures next summer.

That is a huge turn over needed in the next two windows.

10 or 11 players who need to leave this summer, with replacements sought. (not including Martial) .

2 or 3 who will definitely leave next summer, with another 6 potentially who could be following them (Martial included), again with replacements sought.

This is what I mean when I say this is not a great squad, and serious work is needed if we are to genuinely challenge for the title.

A few of those players may be able to stay in squad capacity, but not all of them. While we would still be relying on several younger players to either continue to develop or step up into the first team, on top of 5-6 really good top level signings.

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15 Jun 2021 13:04:48
Because you defend the coach for not making changes. He has no excuse.
Last year we had a front three that outscored Liverpool's, this year we brought Cavani and we still have Mata James and Diallo, a technical player, an Wales international and an Ivory Coast International . I see a lot of options there.
If the coach can only win with Brunos quality that's not my problem but his problem because we can't have a player with Brunos quality at the bench. He must find another way and find a way to use other players property and take most of them.

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15 Jun 2021 13:05:50
Shappy if sancho comes in on a top wage one of the top earners have to leave.

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15 Jun 2021 15:44:45
I agree Ken, probably best to move on our top earner. checks notes DDG😂

Herrera, come off it. Mata is past it, that much is obvious. Love him as a player, and a top guy. But if he leaves his options are mid table sides at best.

Dan James is nowhere near the quality of a title winning side. Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich, PSG etc wouldn't look twice at him, even as a squad player. He's quick and he works hard, but he lacks understanding or ability to impact a game when there isn't space to run into. Again he seems like a nice lad, but he plays football like a dog chasing a carrier bag in the wind.

Amad Diallo has huge potential, but he has played less than 200 minutes for us. Which is around twice as many minutes as he got at Atalanta. He isn't ready to play regularly, he might be soon, but not yet.

Yes last year our front three of Rashford, Martial and Greenwood outscored Salah, Mane and Firmino.

Unfortunately Rashford has struggled all season with injuries. Martial has shown that he can't perform when there is pressure for his starting spot. While Greenwood suffered the typical second season drop in form as teams start to figure him out. While he also had some off field drama to deal with, which being young himself obviously hit him hard and took time to get over.

We also had Cavani, who struggled to stay fit and was in and out of the team. While his performances when fit just highlighted just how much our other young forwards have yet to learn.

So what are your suggestions?

How do you make James a world class player?

How do you make Mata 4 years younger?

How do you make Diallo ready?

How do you make Greenwood get over the suicide of a close friend?

How do you stop Cavani and Rashford getting injuries?

How do you make Martial have the right mentality?

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15 Jun 2021 16:18:52
I almost feel sorry for Ole to have such a bad fortune and so average squad.
At the other hand Pep had injury free Aguero, the world class striker Jesus, the world class and in form Sterling. Then he had the proven and world class Torres.
Is this what you want? Let it be.

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15 Jun 2021 18:44:42
Herrera, that's my point. Pep has better a better first 11 AND better players in reserve.

Torres had a couple of months of great football. Sterling's form wasn't great but Mahrez was in the form of his life. Fernandinho didn't play as much, but Gundogan had his best season in England arguably his career. KDB was excellent, Foden had a break out season. Dias was the best CB in the league, Stones form was so good he benched the excellent Laporte. Cancelo was the best full back in the league.

Key players like Sterling, Laporte, Fernandinho, and Aguero either weren't missed or their poor form was mitigated by other top players being able to step in for them.

At United if Rashford and Bruno are out of the line up we look desperately poor, simply because the players stepping in for them don't have half the talent that they do.

Add to that the rest of the first 11 look somewhere between average or slightly above average at best then you can see the squad we have is a million miles off of City's.

Liverpool have a far better first 11, and squad players probably on par with us.

City have a far better first 11 and better squad players than us.

Chelsea have a comparable first 11, but better quality in squad depth than us.

That's three teams than on balance have a better first team squad than us. We finished above two of them which probably means we overachieved this season. I think that places is in a dangerous position as its easy to think we are better than we are, and as such have higher expectations next season.

If we don't bring in some key signings that go straight into the first 11 and improve it then I see 4th as the most likely finishing position for us.

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16 Jun 2021 17:58:33
Shappy

Pep is a far better coach and manager than Ole, gets far more out of players, who know exactly what is required. Give Ole City’s squad or Liverpool’s for that matter and he wouldn’t win the league.

You keep repeating yourself about how it is the players and squad not Ole. The old say it enough times and people will believe you stuff.

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17 Jun 2021 13:04:01
Could say exactly the same about your views on Ole redman. Everyone is entrenched at the moment.

Ole will still be here next year. He deserves to be here next year after a solid 2nd place and whilst a reasonable showing in the cups.

We will invest in some new players to freshen the squad. We will also develop more together as a team.

Everyone is keen to say we will be lucky to get top 4 again next year, but we will not be far away again, we are looking up not down.

What did Pep do in his first 2 seasons? What about Klopp? Both brought in players and freshened their squads, it is a process.

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{Ed077's Note - didnt Pep have that 100 points season in his second season??}

18 Jun 2021 06:57:40
DodgyBanter,

"a solid 2nd place and whilst a reasonable showing in the cups. " - really? We know how solid the past season was and how Ole managed to mess up in a reasonable showing in the cups.

I hope your optimism pays off and we are not in a dog fight for top 4 come the end of the season.

Why do people always need to compare with Pep/ Klopp when the discussion is about Ole? He is not at their level. When is Ole ever going to be held accountable?

I hope we do get the signings Ole wants and he has no more excuses this coming season.

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10 Jun 2021 11:15:43
Apparently we have now reached an agreement with sancho and have made an opening bid. according to various sources it's too low and won't be accepted but talks are happening. Hopefully we get this done and it doesn't end up like last year 🤦‍♂️.

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10 Jun 2021 11:36:13
Seems like it might be further than last year already to be honest, our opening bid seems reasonable for a negotiation to me, hopefully meet somewhere in the middle. He isn’t worth what we are paying but who is these days? He improves the team and that’s what matters.

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10 Jun 2021 11:51:21
Totally agree, need to get this one done and get on to improving in other areas…going to be difficult with the euros on though as we aren’t exactly efficient or swift negotiators 🤣 Quick question to the Ed’s, are we back to a normal transfer window now? Ie it ends 31st August? Thanks 👍.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

10 Jun 2021 12:25:49
Thanks for the response ed002 👍.

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10 Jun 2021 18:10:36
BBC reporting that we have made a 67.5 million bid that has been rejected. Dortkund have refused saying they want 77 million and 4.25 million on top.

Two things stroke me about this, didn't we learn Dortmund last year set a valuation and you either meet it or forego the transfer and who is briefing the press about such details. Assuming it is us, I don't really like this way of operating strikes me as pretty classless.

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10 Jun 2021 18:28:14
It's what us british are know best for we like to haggle. We will pay what they want but why not try and save a few quid in the meantime. If I'm being honest I can't see many teams bidding, I personally think he's a bit over rated and should go for raphina who would be a better option and value for money. He's a good player but the cost involved are massive. We should be looking at the guy they will replace him with as dvd seem to do well with buying and selling.

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10 Jun 2021 18:38:30
Negotiating is how business works, it’s not classless. We aren’t far away from what they want, if the story is to be believed it sounds like we will be back with another offer soon and should get it over the line finally.

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10 Jun 2021 18:39:25
Oakbark,

If you wanted to buy my car and thought it was worth £5000 but I said I’ll accept nothing less than £10,000 would you pay up or try and negotiate?

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10 Jun 2021 19:14:31
Dortmund are notorious for setting an asking price and not budging. We have offered £67 million when they wanted £77 million. Will we now waste the summer arguing over £10 million, which is the equivalent of Phil Jones medical bill.

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10 Jun 2021 18:46:18
Ed, are you able to confirm whether the situation has progressed today?

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{Ed002's Note - According to his agent, no.}

10 Jun 2021 19:37:15
Apologies I pressed send too early.

As I said my classless didn't refer too negotiations, that is part of it.

My reference was entirely to us yet again deciding to come out and post am unofficial message over the negotiations via Simon Stone of the BBC. I don't like this way of doing business I would prefer us to do our negotiations behind closed doors and not start speaking of it appease fans most likely. I just don't like this way of operating, in the past I don't remember us doing this. I don't see City or Chelsea operating in this manner.

As for the negotiations itself, Dortmund have clearly shown they set a price and we either pay it or walk away. We went through this last summer again briefing Mr Stone over the same issue. It makes us look unprofessional highlighting the exact same problem publicly again in my opinion.

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11 Jun 2021 11:28:37
still unsure on sancho money mooted after we spent on amad and pellustri as well as having greenwood?

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{Ed077's Note - even if all the clauses were met in the Diallo and Pellestri deals, we would still have a lower monetary outlay on those two than on the "additional" /agents fee in Sancho deal. I hope we don't bow down to the demands of Sancho's agents or it will set a very bad precedent IMO.

11 Jun 2021 17:59:37
ED077 - I think we have already passed that mate with other deals ie., mr pogba.

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{Ed077's Note - then we should learn from our previous experiences}

13 Jun 2021 13:06:30
Dortmund are in a strong position. They actually don't need to sell anyone . I think we would be better off going for Traore and Neves from Wolves who are also available rather than wasting another window pursuing Sancho.

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15 Jun 2021 16:54:59
Neves maybe, mate. Not Traore. A bulkier Dan James.

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