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03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.

Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.

AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.

James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.

Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.

Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.

We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.

Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.

Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.

Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.

I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.


1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.

Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.

Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.

Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.

25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.

2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,

3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?

That ship has sailed!

No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.

4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.

Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.

Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?

Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.

5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.

Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.

On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.

Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.

6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.

I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.

7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?

8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,

9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.

10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.

UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.

Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.

Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.

11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?

12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.

13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.

14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?

15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.

16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.

Also, he could just say no right now?

17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.

Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.

18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.

19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?

Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?

20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.

21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.

I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.

I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.

I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.

Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.

22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH

All sound decisions taken. 🤫.

23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.

24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.

25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.



24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.


1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.

I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.

2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.

3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.

4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .

I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.

I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.

5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,

6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?

The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.

7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.

8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.

He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.

9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.

10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".

Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.

I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.

11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.


How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.

12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.

Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.

Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.

13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.



17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.

If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.


{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}

1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.

Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.

2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?

3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.



12 Jan 2018 21:19:21
All this talk of Sanchez has masked the rumour that Vardy is also being considered. Not sure if they would sell or at what price but I think he would slot in much easier, albeit he is a like for like with Lukaku. Sanchez’s attitude worries me, the stories from Arsenal about his isolationist approach do not bode well for team spirit. Hey ho, what do I know?


1.) 12 Jan 2018 21:28:45
I hope not. Hateful diving git, Gerrard, suarez, terry, barton, keown, cattermole, Vardy. all the same to me would of hated to see any of them in a red shirt.

2.) 12 Jan 2018 23:05:33
That's one heck of a team those lot would make. Lacks some wide players tho.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 05:53:05
bfbw, there too much hate in your heart, i'd have had Keown and Suarez any day of the week. Go hug a tree man.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 08:10:14
AJH Vardy is a player Maze likes and admired over the years for his tenacity as well as his rags to riches story but to say he is a better option than Sanchez is silly, very silly.

Wake up AJH you are dreaming of poorly fabricated scenarios.



08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.

Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .

We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.

Time for more wine.


1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.

The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.

2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.




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29 Mar 2020 18:27:19
Shappy seems to be getting some serious stick lately, much of which is quite personal and unfair. Shappy, you probably post more than anyone else and I would suggest that sometimes less is more, just my view mate.

Having said that, no need for the personal stuff people. If you want to disagree then fine but surely you don’t need to resort to name calling and confrontation. Shappy has been around a long time and is usually pretty respected, not sure why it has all got so shouty. I agree with some stuff, I disagree with some stuff, but I love everyone. Stay safe.


1.) 29 Mar 2020 19:20:20
Seems a lot of posts on here end up with negative exchanges these days, unfortunately.

2.) 29 Mar 2020 19:26:20
Redman had it right. Its not the site for political religious or those type of debates.
I understand feelings are running high.
Shappy is a really top lad and never resorts to name calling himself.
Anyone can lose their cool and even misinterpret a post. I know shappy didn't mean to offend anybody.
Hope everyone is keeping well.

3.) 29 Mar 2020 19:48:34

Shappy needs to stop trying to control the masses and ensure people think what he does, thought control. This isn’t about everyone being a believer in his god like status. Express an opinion about football is one thing but to tell everyone that there is but one truth and that is the Shappy truth is very controlling. The Ed comments were right. Focus on football tactics not on politics and unless you are an eminent virologist not on what is happening.

4.) 29 Mar 2020 22:57:41
Jesus AJH, I just read his posts below. A whole load of waffle and dangerous waffle at that.

Not sure what other stick you are referring to but what he got after those posts was justified and brought onto himself.

This is a football site, best leaving the serious stuff to others.

5.) 30 Mar 2020 06:58:36
I get thay boys which is why I suggested he cools off from the excessive posting. But as ken says, he's a top lad, no reason why we can't be critical constructively.

{Ed047's Note - sadly it’s an emotive subject AJH which was why I said we’re best not posting anything we hear because then you are treading on dangerous ground.



27 Mar 2020 12:39:47
i just don't see the season being finished. The government are building field hospitals with several thousand beds in them, things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better. There is a a wave of fatalities coming, and whilst the lockdown will hopefully reduce or slow the spread, its just a temporary hiatus, as soon as movement starts again cases will rise.

The thought of any major sporting events taking place in the near future is laughable, I can't see games being completed.


1.) 27 Mar 2020 13:39:00
I said over a month ago that the season won't be finished. Not that I take will take any joy in saying I told you so. We just need to understand this is so much bigger than a game of football.

Thousands will die in this country, while hundreds of thousands will across the globe. This event will mark a generation.

Our government were slow to act and started off with an ill-advised plan. Within weeks we will see tens of thousands dead in the UK. While this will go on for much longer than a few weeks. We are likely looking at 3-4 months with isolation measures. And even when they are lifted mass events are unlikely to be allowed to happen for a month or two after that.

To be honest I doubt we will even see the start of next season start on time, and could even see games played behind closed doors until 2021.

2.) 27 Mar 2020 15:28:47
This season is done, i doubt the next season will start before september or october.

I think it is time to take the sane step and just dissolve liverpool fc. Since inception of premier league that team has come close to winning the title thrice.

1st time a up and coming coach who looked like he could join the ranks of the greats got his career tanked in a way that the poor guy could never recover.

2nd time led to a fall that made sure that one of their greatest player will always be remembered for an event he and the liverpool fans would forever want to forget.

3rd time they had no challenger who could realistically beat them to a title and lo behold we have a global pandemic that stops them from winning the title.

I shudder to think what will happen the next time they get so close, world war 3 aliens meteor strike?

3.) 27 Mar 2020 16:58:07
Shappy, let me just say this.

Stick to football, there are 3 things you've said up there that aren't even remotely true and it's contributing towards the spread of misinformation.

As someone who's lost 2 relatives in Spain and someone who's immediate family are working with the NHS it's absolutely crucial that you're saying things that are factually correct at this stage.

A lot of people have died because of misinformation, your opinions are contributing towards that.

People take your opinions on sport serious and thus some will take your opinions on what's happening around the world as fact.

I'm okay with opinions and data twisting when it comes to football arguments but when it comes to this everyone who isn't qualified should not be broadcasting an opinion.

I hope staying safe at such a difficult time.

4.) 27 Mar 2020 17:48:48
I think a lot people stopped taking Shappy serious a long time ago.

5.) 27 Mar 2020 20:09:50
Unfortunately AJH I think your right, sport has to be on the back burner as it can’t take up valuable resources.

Maybe esports have the biggest opportunity they will ever likely receive?

When this is all over we are going to get a torrent of abuse, but the right decision needs to be made for the health of people.

I think if training can’t get back underway by May with a mid May start then that’ll be that.

But if someone said before this you need to sacrifice the title to save 1000’s of lives, there really is only one choice.

6.) 27 Mar 2020 20:48:13
well said wyred.

7.) 28 Mar 2020 11:19:33
Moon, which three things have I said that are FACTUALLY untrue?

I am sorry for your loss; this illness will touch everyone in some way or another. My 86-year-old Grandad is in the ICU in Bristol with Covid-19 as we speak. My mum has got symptoms and she is in the high-risk category and has been told to go to hospital if her condition worsens.

I also have friends and family in France, Italy and Spain. Our friend in Madrid told us nearly two weeks ago that the hospitals there are turning people away as they don’t have space, they are prioritising the young and fit over the old and people with pre-existing medical conditions.

They have also turned an ice-rink into a morgue as they don’t have space. This isn’t just idle gossip or hearsay; this is first-hand from a Spaniard whose mother is a doctor in Spain.

Our government did initially get it wrong, that is why they have done an about turn on the absurd “herd immunity” plan, which was more about saving the economy than lives.

As for the information I am going off, all of it has been stated by the government. They have said thousands will likely die. The have created four emergency hospitals with 12,000 beds, while the NHS have reconfigured their hospitals to create an extra 33,000 beds.

So, between them they have created an extra 45,000 beds, they wouldn’t do that if they didn’t know they are going to need them.
Chris Witty said in his original address that as much as 80% of the population will likely contract the illness.

He then said that current figures suggest that 30% of people who get it will require hospital treatment, while he said that 5% would need intensive care. He wasn’t clear on whether that was 5% of the people who get it or 5% of the people who need hospital treatment. If it’s 5% of the total who get it and 80% of the population get it then that’s 3.2m who would need intensive care treatment, if it’s 5% of the hospitalised people who will need intensive care that is still 256,000.

China have been on lockdown for 2 months, first locking down on 23rd January. However, it is unclear how to move out from lockdown. If they just lift all restrictions, then the virus will likely spring up again and a further lockdown would be needed. Discussions are on going about how best to do it. With staged release from lockdown likely, how long that will take is anyone’s guess. But is likely to take months.

I have used clear language where my opinion is used, words and phrases such as “likely” “I doubt” clearly indicating that these are my own views.
The truth is even the experts don’t know, and many of the things they have suggested have cost lives. “Herd immunity” for one, or that the young are fairly safe which has given young people the idea that they are safe. Yet now the idea of viral load has proven that being young doesn’t necessarily protect you.

Viral load for those who want to know how it works is the idea that the amount of virus that gets into your system has a big effect. For example, if you are in a large space say a park with very few people and one of them has the virus and you breathe it in then you might only get say 6 virus organisms. They take between 4-6 hours to double, so after 6 hours you have 12, then 24 after another 6 hours, then 48 etc.

However, if you go to an enclosed space with lots of people say a supermarket, and in that space, there are 10 or 15 people shedding the virus then you might breathe in 100 virus organisms.

Then in 6 hours you would have 200, then 400, then 800. It takes a certain about of time for your body to create antibodies to fight of the infection, if you have a large dose of the virus then it multiples too quickly for your immune system to create enough antibodies to fight it off and your body becomes overwhelmed and starts shutting down. That is why a 21-year-old with no pre-existing issues has died. Because the information given out by the government allowed her to feel that she was safe from it.

Everything I have written states how big of an issue this is and why following the social distancing is so important. It was not me that kept the schools open, or the pubs. That again was the government more concerned with how much this will cost rather than what is best to save lives.

{Ed033's Note - Here is some info put out by the government:

"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK" - From Uk Gov web site

8.) 28 Mar 2020 14:32:56
I think people should stay away from Government of the Country issues, especially Shappy.

In terms of the virus, there is no vaccine, no cure and once it got out of China mass infections were always going to happen.

Our Government have to weigh up the whole position, make decisions at the right time, base it on medical opinion.

Meanwhile amateurs with no knowledge of what is happening think they know better and run the country their way whilst sat on their sofa.

No more than football clubs can be run by Jonny from Bedford because he has played FIFA 19, than can decisions on the country be made from Shappys front room.

Please keep this to football or set up a political dissident page.

9.) 28 Mar 2020 14:43:13
Shappy; “ This isn’t just idle gossip or hearsay; this is first-hand from a Spaniard whose mother is a doctor in Spain. ”. 😂😂😂. Define hearsay 😂.

10.) 28 Mar 2020 17:26:10
I’ve never encountered anybody so in need of being right (and quite frankly, full of sh*t) as you, Shappy.

It was on March 9th (feel free to check the ‘Banter 9’ page if you’re having trouble remembering) that you were telling us all how people were overreacting and that the coronavirus would be no worse than seasonal flu.

“ If every single person in the UK gets it, then around 6400 people will die at most.

This year in the UK
160k will die from Heart disease
140k will die from Cancer
62k will die from respiratory illnesses
2k will die in road traffic accidents
1500 will die as victims of crime”

For the love of god, please stick to your usual drivel of criticism Jose and praising Ole, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

11.) 29 Mar 2020 08:10:28
Well that escalated rather quickly :-)

12.) 29 Mar 2020 10:34:42
I love how the current situation has totally stopped the "Ole out brigade" from having their weekly rants about sacking the manager. So they now feel the need to take the polar opposite opinion to all the posters who would rather not sack the manager just to get their kicks🤣🤣🤣.

13.) 29 Mar 2020 12:19:13
Whereas you appear to have polar opposite opinions to. yourself.
Did the wind just change direction again? 😂.

14.) 29 Mar 2020 13:36:13
Funbt you say that shappy, my eldest is a nurse just outside of Madrid.

As per usual everything you've just said has been completely. Made up by yourself.

I can categorically say without a shadow of a doubt that Spanish Hospitals around the capital are not ignoring the elderly.

What a stupid thing to say.

If you anything about anything you'd know half of the doctors surgeries around Spain have been turned into medical centers solely for those they seem vulnerable.

You're honestly a disgraceful human being.

15.) 29 Mar 2020 14:54:14
Moon, that is totally uncalled for I might disagree with peoples views but name calling just reflects poorly on you.

I am not lying and I have not made this up. This was first hand information given to us by one of the people who is currently locked down in Madrid. This person is a dear friend and attended our wedding a couple of years ago. Her mother is a doctor and has told her what is happening in hospitals in Madrid right now.

They are not ignoring the elderly, but if they have to choose then between two patients when there is only one respirator then they are choosing the one most likely to survive. Which is more often than not the younger patient. Our friends mum works in Málaga but has friends who work in Madrid as she trained there. Our friend was asked by her mum to take specific care of her grandparents as her mother fears for them if they do catch it.

I don't think you are a bad person, and I hope you regret getting personal. In my opinion you are a good poster who always gives well thought-out opinions. I will say I'm a little disappointed by your response.

{Ed047's Note - appears to me that you bring a lot of this on yourself Shappy and you would be better off not commenting on things unless you know it first hand.

16.) 29 Mar 2020 15:08:29
Ed047, I was on the phone with someone who is in Madrid right now, someone who lives there and is Spanish and understands the language and culture. I trust them and they are well placed to know what is happening there.
Some people are just spoiling for a fight, they want to argue against some posters no matter what they say. That's fine, I accept that is all part of posting on a banter site. I just think it's a poor indictment of a person when they feel they need to resort to personal insults.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so. But your whole post smacks of ignorance and you are just spreading hearsay. I doubt if anyone you would know would be in a position to actually know what is happening there. They would need to be in a governmental position to have that sort of knowledge. As for this reply, you have literally just said what any doctor would do in any lifethreatening situation which is pick the one most likely to survive. My grandad was a paramedic (the UK's first and was the one responsible for training all the early ones) and had to make these kind of decisions on a daily basis. This is just you adding 2 and 2 together and coming up with a load of crappy unthought out bull as a consequence.

The Spanish are not deliberately ignoring the elderly, they are following standard practices when there is a shortage of either equipment or people to use it. First priority always goes to the most likely to survive. Do you think it is any different to any other emergency? Do you think if there are two people bleeding out they ignore the one who has the highest chance of survival while concentrating all their resources on the one with little to no chance? That is why working in the emergency services is so hard on people, they can be called on to make life and death decisions every single time they are at work. For you to suggest that they are deliberately choosing to let some die is a disgrace. They would save everyone if they could.}

17.) 29 Mar 2020 15:13:20
Got to agree with Ed047 who gives sound opinion and advice re your last Shappy.

18.) 29 Mar 2020 19:37:38
I do not regret getting personal when you're spreading made up lies about my country's treatment of my relatives.

To you these are just words, to me you're insulting the hard work my country is putting in to save my family just as the NHS is working hard here.

I do not care about anything you have to say.

How dare you disrespect the men and women losing their lives in this war.

19.) 29 Mar 2020 20:54:05
It's not made up, and I am not disrespecting anyone. I have a friend who is Spanish and in Madrid. Tough decisions are being made in the toughest of circumstances. My point was about expressing how bad this situation is and the consequences of not respecting the issue.

Every person who is suffering from this has my sympathy. My own Grandad has it and at 86 doesn't look likely to survive it. My mum has it and is in the high risk category.

The idea that people think we are weeks away from normal life resuming are living in a fantasy land. This will get a whole lot worse yet before it gets better. The fact that our own politicians have come out this evening and said normal life is likely to be 6 months away highlights this.

{Ed001's Note - so you think spreading lies about how the Spanish are ignoring the elderly and leaving them to die is not disrespecting anyone? I would hate to see what you consider disrespectful then.}

20.) 29 Mar 2020 21:52:53
Ed001, here is exactly what I said

"I also have friends and family in France, Italy and Spain. Our friend in Madrid told us nearly two weeks ago that the hospitals there are turning people away as they don’t have space, they are prioritising the young and fit over the old and people with pre-existing medical conditions. "

Where have I said they are ignoring the elderly? I have said they are priorising young, which is as you say best practice.

I wasn't disrespectful.

{Ed001's Note - you are spreading hearsay and rumour trying to suggest that something different was going on. Just give it a rest.}



19 Mar 2020 08:18:57
Football continues to look for a solution when there isn’t going to be one and for most sports, it’s over for probably the next 4-6 months at least. Cases and deaths jumped yesterday and schools will now close. London will be locked down imminently, probably with troops on the streets, and it may be the rest of the country follows suit. Projections are scary in terms of potential infection rate and deaths.

And yet, people continue to talk about finishing the season, the IOC appear to have their heads up their behinds, horse racing thinks it can carry on with no spectators, the reality is this situation is unprecedented in the last 100 years.

Advice has been given yet people are not taking it. Pubs and clubs remain open and some of them are very busy, some Brits on holiday think it’s a bit of a laugh, the message isn’t getting through.

I’ve just had a job offer withdrawn as recruitment has been frozen due to the virus. People are losing their jobs every day and it’s just getting started. Many many businesses will fold, this may well be more serious than anything we have seen before. It’s Mother’s Day on Sunday but I won’t be visiting my elderly Mother as it isn’t worth the risk.

Sport is my passion but right now it doesn’t matter, it is just not important. People are diyng, more will follow, tens of thousands (at least) will be sick.

I have no idea what things will look like out the other side but right now, stay safe people.


1.) 19 Mar 2020 09:52:23
Beautifully articulated and 100% right, as much as I love watching football it means nothing atm, as far as the people going pubs and clubs its indicative of how arrogant and stupid this country can be at times, people have been given the opportunity to the the sensible/ right thing and while most have there is an element that continue to embarrass and throw the work of all the people risking their own safety back in their face.

There was an army presence in Birmingham city centre last night, it's not long until our choices are made orders.

2.) 19 Mar 2020 10:12:44
Smashing post Tony and I whole heartedly agree. I’ve been working from home now for a week and honestly thought that I’d be back in the office this coming Monday. Turns out they are shutting many tube stations in London over the next few days so that’s unlikely.

I really hope everyone stays safe and that they are not effected by this current situation. This site has become a family, a crazy one, but a family nonetheless! I look forward this all dying down and then we can go back to arguing and debating football till the cows come home.

3.) 19 Mar 2020 14:42:02
Couldn't agree more, I love football as much as the rest of you. But this is life and death, and for those of us who will survive the virus our lives will be changed. We will have lost loved ones, lost jobs, lost businesses, maybe even lost our homes.

Against all that what is a game of football.

4.) 19 Mar 2020 14:46:23
Post of the year and wholeheartedly agree with you.

5.) 19 Mar 2020 15:20:22
Top post Tony!

6.) 19 Mar 2020 16:41:55
I live in Ontario. All restaurants, bars, clubs, libraries etc etc have been closed. Restaurants are doing takeout/ delivery only.

7.) 19 Mar 2020 19:42:28
Martin Samuel wrote a decent article in the Daily Fail, today. Basically saying, why are they even thinking about how to sort things out just now? In effect, do nothing. Thought that was a good idea, personally.

8.) 19 Mar 2020 20:15:37
Good post AJH.
Totally agree with everything you have said.
I know a few guys on this page and know they are going through a tough time for one reason or another with illness or looking after their parents or grandparents that are ill.
Come the end of this pandemic every single one of us will carry either emotional financial or physical scars. Maybe even all 3.
Please look out for those in need do what you can for your neighbour and follow the advice given.
The ignorance, arrogance and selfishness of some is a very sad reflection on society. But there are also some stand out beacons particularly in our health services and front line staff but also lots of do gooder stories that would fill your heart with joy. Everyone can play a part and do their bit to help curb the spread.
Take care all and don't forget to do your bit.

9.) 19 Mar 2020 21:58:01
This thread reminds me that most people are decent and have their hearts in the right place.

As Ken says by the end of 2020 all of us will be touched by this one way or another.

The football will be back on soon enough, but now is for looking after yourselves, your family, your neighbors, your friends or anyone you can help no matter how small.

10.) 21 Mar 2020 00:59:45
Really nice post AJH. And I agree with it.
Personally I’m a nurse, mental health. Mainly doing telephone consultations with a couple of home visits everyday. It’s heartbreaking the conditions I’m finding people in. This virus is bringing the very best and worst out of us. It’s not often I jump in my car and fight tears but it’s happening frequently.
Frankly we.



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1.) 16 Mar 2020 21:41:32

2.) 17 Mar 2020 21:53:31
Has anyone posted this on the Liverpool pages?



08 Mar 2020 19:05:31
So, slightly drunk so bear with me.

I was so, annoyed after 15 minutes as we were awful and I could only see one result, but then it all changed. Stats don’t lie and despite possession, we had all the chances.

Fantastic first goal, lovely free kick and marvellous finish and for most of the first half there was only one side looked like scoring. Second half was much more even in terms of chances but in the end they cracked and we finished them.

That’s 10 unbeaten with a host of clean sheets, we have threatened a run all year and hopefully we can keep this one going. Spurs are a mess so we should go there with confidence and whilst Chelsea seem to have rediscovered form, we are the ones with the tough games right now, and we are no further away than we were.

Ole is still a novice but it seems he knows what to do against the big teams, not sure he is the long term solution but he is developing the right culture and approach and the camp looks happier than it has for a long time. Bear in mind that our best player and top scorer is currently out injured and would make a huge difference.

Not convinced yet but moving in the right direction.


1.) 08 Mar 2020 19:28:22
Whoop whoop, Ole's at the wheel.

2.) 08 Mar 2020 19:32:10
You have to acknowledge improvement and its been significant since bruno and ighalo signed.
Well deserved win today. Yes it was a slightly submissive and defencive performance but we'll though it full credit to the coach's and players today.
I'm not convinced yet either still on a knife edge. Can we keep it going?
We have a better chance than before anyway so ill embrace that.

3.) 08 Mar 2020 20:02:08
I’m with you Tony. Not totally convinced Ole is the long term option but today was fantastic. For the first time in ages I actually like this United side. There is a togetherness and desire we haven’t seen since Fergie left. Ole deserves credit for this. Old Trafford was different gravy tonight. It was absolutely bouncing. I have a bit of an issue with how little possession we had but city are a superior side. Would like us to try play a bit more though. Midfield was brilliant today, Bruno is a talisman we’ve needed. Martial was excellent today and so to were fred and matic, matic in particular has a new lease of life. Beat spurs and then we have a fairly easy run in. History suggests those are the sort of teams we drop points too. Let’s hope we’ve turned a corner. Well done ole and the boys you’ve put a massive smile on my face.

4.) 08 Mar 2020 20:09:12
There has been a clear change in direction and people are starting to see the results.

5.) 08 Mar 2020 20:14:44
I think we could have kicked them a bit more 😬.

6.) 08 Mar 2020 20:42:07
You could see at the end that there's a proper connection again between the players and the fans. We appreciate commitment and hard work, and this team shows both attributes. Good to see the ethos of the team changing for the better, after the last lot of seasons.

7.) 08 Mar 2020 22:15:16
Whatever we think of OGS, the recruitment of players since he was appointed permanently has been first class.

8.) 09 Mar 2020 11:20:44
Jred, you only seem to sing when we are winning,

9.) 09 Mar 2020 13:15:16
That's got to be better than only singing when we get beat?
To be honest I don't come on much now, and never come on after a defeat or even draw. don't enjoy reading the drivel.
Mind you I think it also works the other way, seems to be a few who don't bother with the site when we win . They maybe don't enjoy it when it's not all doom and gloom .
Each to there own tho.




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16 Nov 2019 11:13:10
I’m not arrogant Danny. Whatever our current travails, we pay well, we remain one of the biggest names, we will still attract players. There have always been players who didn’t want to play for us, I’m just getting bored of the ‘step down’ jibe.




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16 Nov 2019 07:40:55
If players are choosing a club based on the cup they are in then they are welcome to go where they wish. If Sanchez thinks United is a step down from Dortmund then his head needs a wobble.


{Ed002's Note - Maybe “Sanchez” realises it is a club run by amateurs with a coach who is not up to the job?}



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13 Nov 2019 16:59:33
Sounds like sulking. They can see others getting game time and are throwing their toys out. If they were contributing then they would be playing more, like Williams, or Greenwood. Ole seems obsessed with youth so if they were showing him anything he would be getting them on the pitch, so they clearly aren’t doing enough.




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13 Nov 2019 16:57:47
Ive they to see him do anything to make me take notice. Gomes had some nice touches, Garner can find a pass, Greenwood is scoring, obviously Williams has been a revelation, but Chong has been forgettable every time I’ve seen him. They can’t all make it.




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31 Oct 2019 19:34:34
So far, only 4 teams have conceded fewer goals. Defence isn’t the problem, scoring goals has been the problem.





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30 Mar 2020 06:58:36
I get thay boys which is why I suggested he cools off from the excessive posting. But as ken says, he's a top lad, no reason why we can't be critical constructively.


{Ed047's Note - sadly it’s an emotive subject AJH which was why I said we’re best not posting anything we hear because then you are treading on dangerous ground.



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28 Mar 2020 21:55:48
Ed, I know you love a conspiracy theory but are you suggesting the death numbers are not accurate?

I don’t see the current season ending and I thing the new season is at risk of being pushed back somewhat.


{Ed033's Note - From Uk Government - "As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK" - From Uk Gov web site

We've had 20,000+ deaths from 'coronaviruses' a number of years in the past with no lockdown, so now that the UK government no longer considers COVID-19 a HCID, why the continual lockdown?

As 'coronaviruses' cause deaths worldwide, why wasn't there a worldwide lockdown every year in the past?



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16 Mar 2020 20:04:03
I think a lot of ‘hated’ players do a lot behind the scenes. Beckham and Rooney are 2 examples of players that step up with no fanfare and do their bit, I am sure there are plenty of others.




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16 Mar 2020 19:11:11
Good man, who knows where this will all end? I think it’s dawning on everyone that ‘normal’ things have gone for now and we need to shift our perspective. I think millions will lose their jobs and businesses will fail, I don’t see any way this can be avoided. We all need to step up and look after those that are most vulnerable.




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13 Mar 2020 18:48:20
CSM, quality mate, quality 😅.