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03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.

Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.

AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.

James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.

Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.

Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.

We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.

Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.

Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.

Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.

I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.


1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.

Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.

Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.

Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.

25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.

2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,

3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?

That ship has sailed!

No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.

4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.

Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.

Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?

Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.

5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.

Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.

On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.

Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.

6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.

I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.

7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?

8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,

9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.

10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.

UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.

Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.

Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.

11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?

12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.

13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.

14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?

15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.

16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.

Also, he could just say no right now?

17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.

Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.

18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.

19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?

Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?

20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.

21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.

I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.

I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.

I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.

Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.

22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH

All sound decisions taken. 🤫.

23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.

24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.

25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.



24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.


1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.

I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.

2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.

3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.

4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .

I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.

I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.

5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,

6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?

The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.

7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.

8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.

He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.

9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.

10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".

Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.

I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.

11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.


How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.

12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.

Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.

Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.

13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.



17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.

If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.


{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}

1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.

Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.

2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?

3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.



12 Jan 2018 21:19:21
All this talk of Sanchez has masked the rumour that Vardy is also being considered. Not sure if they would sell or at what price but I think he would slot in much easier, albeit he is a like for like with Lukaku. Sanchez’s attitude worries me, the stories from Arsenal about his isolationist approach do not bode well for team spirit. Hey ho, what do I know?


1.) 12 Jan 2018 21:28:45
I hope not. Hateful diving git, Gerrard, suarez, terry, barton, keown, cattermole, Vardy. all the same to me would of hated to see any of them in a red shirt.

2.) 12 Jan 2018 23:05:33
That's one heck of a team those lot would make. Lacks some wide players tho.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 05:53:05
bfbw, there too much hate in your heart, i'd have had Keown and Suarez any day of the week. Go hug a tree man.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 08:10:14
AJH Vardy is a player Maze likes and admired over the years for his tenacity as well as his rags to riches story but to say he is a better option than Sanchez is silly, very silly.

Wake up AJH you are dreaming of poorly fabricated scenarios.



08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.

Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .

We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.

Time for more wine.


1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.

The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.

2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.




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07 Mar 2021 12:06:42
Red Man, its lunchtime and you haven't posted any random negative quotes about Ole yet, come on man, you need to up your game.


{Ed077's Note - well at least you are here to already shut him up:)

1.) 07 Mar 2021 12:56:12
Tony, did you check over at the discussions page?

2.) 07 Mar 2021 13:28:51
😂 lads, ye are obsessed with Red man.

{Ed077's Note - Red Man is living rent free on some folks' heads

3.) 07 Mar 2021 13:37:52
We were top of the league on the 30th of January. 35 days later we're 3rd, with the possibility of going 17 points behind City.

Apologies that's not a quote.

Are we still going in the right direction?

4.) 07 Mar 2021 13:28:51
😂 lads, ye are obsessed with Red man.

5.) 07 Mar 2021 14:11:56

On the discussion page, from Paul Parker. Probably on there because of GDS complaining about posting non supportive posts about he who must not be criticised, on a banter page.

6.) 07 Mar 2021 15:01:56
Yes it’s all my fault, everyone else loves the random negative quotes 😂.

7.) 07 Mar 2021 15:32:17

Suited a few to use Ole’s mates quotes about Mourinho though didn't it? I don’t recall you saying “everyone else loves the random negatives quotes” back then or did you?

8.) 07 Mar 2021 16:31:49
Quotes from Paul Parker, Lee Sharpe and Andy cole🤔😂 great managers great opinions. O wait 🤦🏼.

9.) 07 Mar 2021 20:30:16

People used quotes from Scholes Neville Rio and co against Mourinho, were they great managers?



04 Mar 2021 10:39:24
It does feel like the wheels have come off, a knackered team lacking ideas.

It’s an intense season, game free game after game and yet Rashford has played in every game, he looks exhausted and was dreadful last night. Bruno has played almost every game and he was also awful. The Manager has to rest and rotate but our 2 best players have been worked into the ground. I was surprised at Rashford’s stats being so good but that’s because he has been poor for recently. We know how great Bruno’s stats are but again he’s been at best average overall for a while.

Mata has looked lively when he has played, doesn’t get a sniff. DVDB cost 40M and his confidence must be shot as he has hardly featured. We keep taking about Amad having huge potential and whilst I realise he is young, 30 minutes here and there would be an idea.

Matic is frisky, probably because he has hardly played, same for Greenwood. James looks much improved and his energy and pace will be useful as players in all teams are knackered, even Telles would do a job on the left, but Rashford and Bruno keep getting picked when it is clear they are done.

This is poor management. Ole keeps mentioning we have lost our spark and has talked about tiredness yet he seems to be doing nothing about it. The danger here is the wheels haven’t just fallen off, they’ve rolled away and we will miss out on everything. What is our priority? Top 4 and a trophy? Top 4 or a trophy? Which trophy? A big squad can complete on all fronts but not in a shortened season when there is a game every 3 or 4 days.

This could end very badly.


1.) 04 Mar 2021 11:09:18
He played a near full strength team in a 2nd leg we were winning 4-0. Three days before a match against one of our main rivals. Says it all really.

2.) 04 Mar 2021 11:14:58
Welcome to purgatory!

We are Club run by investment bankers with zero football knowledge or expertise. The ambition of the Club extends no further than a top 4 finish in order to secure revenue streams and sponsorship opportunities. Expectations are dampened at every opportunity and incompetence in the transfer market means we are essentially a top 4 yo yo Club. We merely exists, we have no purpose or drive to improve and the Club has stagnated. The stench of mediocrity, incompetence and decay now permeates every aspect of the Club from the players, to the manager, the CEO, the owners, even the stadium and the training facilities. A Club once renowned for excellence is now synonymous with mediocrity and apathy.

Ole’s comments after we went top of the league were ill conceived and not befitting of a manager in charge of one of the biggest Clubs in the world. He dampened expectations, possibly to take pressure away from the players but most of them need a fire igniting in their soul and must understand that inconsistency and mediocrity is not tolerated at a Club like Manchester United.

When Jose lectured us about football heritage following Champions League surrender to Seville in what was one of the most cowardly and uninspiring games ever to be played at the Theatre of Dreams the expectations of this once great Club were laid bare. Ole’s comments were equally as worrying and merely represent a Club severely lacking leadership, identity, direction and ambition.

Ole’s job will no doubt be safe if he scrapes another top 4 finish and he is already dampening expectations, preparing us for yet another summer transfer window of excruciating incompetence as the investment bankers saunter around Europe on urgent transfer business in their cheap suits and economic degree from Bristol University. At least this year they’ll have an excuse for their incompetence, C.V. but we’re not fooled we’ve seen it all before.

Sadly Ole is toeing the party line, dampening expectations and preparing us for yet more mediocrity. He’s become another representation of the Club, believing a top 4 finish is good enough, kicking the good fight down the road. Regardless of league position, performances such as Sheffield United, WBA and Crystal Palace should not be accepted and do not represent progression. Champions League capitulation is not acceptable and a top 4 finish should be no hiding place for mediocrity. Sadly Ed Woodward and Co think differently and will only act when precious revenue and sponsorship opportunities are at risk.

Welcome to purgatory!

3.) 04 Mar 2021 11:27:07
I didn't post back a couple of weeks ago, that IGS needed to get his priorities right when it come s to the EL and fighting for second place.

He is costing him now by not playing DVB, Tuanzebe, Mata and Bailly enough.

Lindelof and Maguire are shocking. We won't win the league with those 2 as our CB pairing.

4.) 04 Mar 2021 11:33:38
Spot on Tony.

I keep saying that Ole playing his favourites will cost him his job - because his favourites look knackered and as a result are underperforming. God forbid Bruno or Rashford get a serious injury. That will leave us at serious risk of freefall.

Last night was the ideal fixture to play VDB as part of the 2.
It's Crystal Palace for crying out loud. They concede for fun.
Play your possession players and let them dictate the tempo.
Matic has been impressive with his range of passing, he's neat and tidy like VDB, I think the two of them would've controlled things last night.

I'm not picking on Fred but he kept misplacing simple passes out wide and it meant we couldn't get a rhythm going.

5.) 04 Mar 2021 11:50:39
I agree with Ed077 down the page.
Ole is burning out Bruno and Rashy.

Last season Rashford suffered stress fracture on his back due to overplaying him. I feel he is thinking only for the short-term.

6.) 04 Mar 2021 17:14:34
I was thinking the same last night Wazza.
Give Matic and VDB a go together.

Did any one else think with Matic most of the game dropping in alongside Maguire and Bailly that our options to pass out from the back became incredibly limited?!

Very congested space in the centre for Fred and Bruno so the only option was to pass it out wide to AWB or Shaw.

Very frustrating to watch.



01 Mar 2021 17:11:53
Dazw, you called me out for not answering one of your posts, I didn’t answer because you were calling Ole a clown and it felt like it was just going to result in an argument. Anyway, here goes.

There are some on here who will argue black is white, and some that white is black. It seems debate is out the window as people become entrenched in their views and seek to justify their position. For the rest of us that’s just tedious but I guess we can all choose to read or scroll past.

Will we win something with Ole? I don’t know but I think its perfectly possible we will win a cup, City are currently a class apart in the league. Is Ole a tactical genius who improved, inspires and motivates? Probably not and I don’t think he’s a long-term solution. Has he improved us and have we made progress? Yes.

Here’s my view. Ole seems to have created a happy camp with a strong spirit, after the Grumpy one that was very welcome. We have shown great resilience to come back from a goal down on so many occasions so the team clearly has some fight. However, it does sometimes feel that he sends a team out hoping that they play well, and too often this year it’s been a hard watch and we’ve won games with small periods of dominance. The inconsistency in our play is shocking and there were a couple of games earlier in the season when we didn’t look like we wanted to be there, although that seems to have passed now.

Too many of our players are not playing well, or not playing well often enough and Ole has to take some responsibility for that. Rashford is very up and down but he gets picked for every game. Lindelof is far from convincing yet continues to be first pick. As for Martial, well where do we start? His stats are shocking but up to yesterday he kept getting picked. With a game every 3 or 4 days we need to be rotating more than we have to give some players a rest and give others game time, Ole had failed here. I have no idea why we signed DVDB as clearly Ole doesn’t rate or trust him. It’s also down to the Manager to improve players, something we can see Pep and Klopp regularly do, and other Managers to a lesser extent. Last year it seemed he had done that, Rash, Martial, Greenwood were on fire and this year Shaw and Scott have shone, but it seems inconsistent again.

However, the name calling Ole gets is unwarranted. Yes we need to be more attacking and adventurous, yes we need to freshen things up, and yes we need to show some balls, but we are unbeaten away for over a year, top scorers, and currently second in the league, so whilst he probably isn’t the right man, demanding he goes now seems churlish.

Woody spoke to Klopp who didn’t like what he heard, we’ll never know whether Pep was approached. Allegri was lined up but Woody sacked LVG a year early and knee jerked to Mourinho so ultimately whilst Ole isn’t the right man, the leadership above him has been woeful, and let’s be honest, does anyone have any faith that Woody will make sensible decisions in the next 12 months?

I think the constant sniping and negativity is tiresome, he isn’t going any time soon so we may as well just hunker down and enjoy the ride.


{Ed077's Note - I think Ole has done as much as he could and Man Utd need an upgrade in the managerial role. I wonder what/where his next job will be when he leave Utd whenever that might be. I struggle to see any "big" club coming for him.

But you have a point AJH, there has been no prior instance to fill anybody with confidence over the ability of the club to attract the right person to take over whenever OGS goes.}

1.) 01 Mar 2021 17:45:51
That's a good post AJH. I watch football to be entertained and I want to see United win trophies. They are not mutually exclusive though, trophies will paper over pragmatic football everyday. I want to see a plan. I want to see the foundations in place. I want to see the players working on improving. But that doesn't really seem evident over the last 3 seasons.

I honestly think the only difference to us now and when Ole took over is Bruno. The man is simply carrying us. Now that's obviously subjective. I don't see a defensive unit, in fact I see the defense getting worse after a considerable chunk of change being spent.

I have seen posters who back Ole saying "he won't win us the league but he'll leave us in a better position". Is that acceptable? Should we have a manager that isn't good enough to win a league? When do you decide to upgrade?

You talk about Jose being the grumpy one. The man was a winner managing a group of pretenders. Ole is probably popular because everyone gets to go for ice-cream and pizza after a 0-0 draw.

I guess it comes down to what do want to see from Man Utd? I want to see us winning major trophies. I think you could give Ole a 10 year contract and he wouldn't win the league. He hasn't got the coaching ability to improve players drastically. And he hasn't got the bottle to go toe to toe with teams.

We should be in top 2/ 3. That's not an achievement, that's par for the course. The bar is rising even though Ole is doing everything in his power to lower it.

2.) 01 Mar 2021 18:59:21
Good balanced post AJH.

Some try to pinpoint the blame onto one person, usually Ole, and they’re absolutely spot on in saying he’s under qualified for the job. But it’s not right to land everything at his door while there is so much wrong from the top.

Ole is the most public senior figure at the club so he’s bound to get the brunt of it. Comes with the territory. But i’d say he’s doing a better job in his role than those above him are doing in theirs. We have too many under qualified, inexperienced people in powerful positions and that’s why we see bad signings, poor style of play and so much inconsistency.

Changes need to be made for sure and I think a wider view is needed than just focusing on the manager.

Start with a proper DOF, restructure, and we’ll see the benefits in 3-5 years.
Or keep as we are and go through the same motions with every manager we have.

3.) 01 Mar 2021 19:39:15

Hopefully the club are looking at an OGS replacement, given that he has 18 months left on his contract.

Given that we had a slight lead over City at one point, to them being 12 points ahead should shoe Ed and co that OGS isn't the man that can lead the club to titles.

That said, he did want Martial to be sold but was told he wouldn't be allowed to sell him. The problem the club has, is that a manager at the club will never be able to say, sell him etc as the club appear to sell players based on their commerciability.

I do think that OGS reluctance tonpkay Bailly and give Henderson a run in the team will come back to haunt him. A team look to their manager. OgS has dropped players for less than those who he has given numerous chances and still continue to make errors week in/ out.

Defensively this is the worse Utd team I've seen in a long time. There are questions to ask whether a) the players understand what is being asked b) are they bright enough to be able to organise themselves on the pitch and workout where they have gone wrong?

I find it frustrating that Tuanzebe and VDB have had very little game time. I'd love a CB partnership consisting of Bailly and Tuanzebe. It would allow the team to play more expressive football and focus on attacking.

4.) 01 Mar 2021 20:00:56
There’s all sorts of rumours about Ole wanting certain players he didn’t get, and wanting to offload ones he’s told he has to keep. He’s a company man though so he is just going to suck it up and not rock the boat. Some will give him stick for that but not sure what sounding off publicly achieves.

Given he is a novice with a poor cv, he’s done remarkably well and whilst I’m not convinced by him, it’s fine lines sometimes. Look at the players Liverpool signed and how they seemed to integrate and gel. We’ve seen the abruno effect, if we could find a CB and CM and or a CF who could have the same effect then who knows where we could be.

5.) 01 Mar 2021 21:33:42

You make sense with that post. Perhaps the best way to looks at Oles reign, is that he has started to build a team to try and challenge. He has certainly got rid a lot of deadwood.

I think a DOF woukd make a difference.

6.) 01 Mar 2021 22:49:28
If we can bring three players with Bruno effect i don't mind a poster from here being the coach. I mean we would win most matches even without a manager.
This year we lost mainly Sancho. Had Sancho came we all know that the money involved are so much that there is no budget for another big money sighning. Would Sancho make such a big difference? I don't even know if he would be better than Mason overall, certainly not world class. As we have seen with Kagawa Miki Werner Haverz its a lot easier to have good numpers in Germany but Premier is a different animal. Then there is De Bruine but no player coming from Germany is average and i have seen nothing from Sancho to suggest that he is the exception. Usually it takes time if the transfer is from Germany to Premier and in a lot of cases time doesn't help either. But people like making excuses, like Sancho would have solved so many of our problems.
Its like the excuses we kept hearing about the board not backing Mourinho with Maguire. The excuses were all over the place at internet at the time and it was like we lost on Messi. Ofcourse only for Maguire to come a year later and prove how average (crap for me) is.
I think Pep has already lost on Sanchez Fred Jorginho Maguire and this summer on his first choices center back Koylibali and Kounde. Or at least lost some of them. Klopp lost his first choices in a lot of cases. But it seems that's a problem only for us because we want to make excuses and defend the manager.

7.) 01 Mar 2021 23:42:27
C'mon then AJH, let's hear the rumours. This is a rumour site!



23 Feb 2021 19:21:32
United games have had more goals in them than any other PL team this season, Leeds are right behind us. We are top scorers but also slightly dodgy in defence so no surprise I guess.


{Ed077's Note - Don't forget the penalty schtick as well Tony

1.) 23 Feb 2021 19:41:16
Slightly inflated by 2/ 25 games having 16 goals in them

Spurs 6-1 and southampton 9-0.

But i agree with your conclusions ajh, definitely dodgy in defence, thankfully rashford and bruno are carrying the team in attack.

2.) 23 Feb 2021 21:59:33
Dsg if united have scored more goals than any other team in the epl does that say more than "rash and bruno are carrying us "
Dies every team not rely on certain players?

3.) 24 Feb 2021 06:02:33
Jred, not particuarly if you consider rashford has got 9 goals and 6 assists this season, bruno 15 goals and 10 assists. Fair enough there will be some crossover where they've assisted each other but that's still over 50% of our goals coming from 2 individuals.

Of course certain teams rely on certain players but the extent of that reliance is important. Look at spurs as an example, they are so reliant on kane and son the rest of the team is basically redundant when it comes to attacking.

Dont have the statistics to hand but id hazard a guess the top teams in europe spread their goals around a bit more than us.

4.) 24 Feb 2021 11:03:07
Dsg we are top goal scores in the league and rash has only scored 9 league goals .
If you look at england Italy Spain and Germany only inter and Munich have scored more . Yet there are a lot of teams that have players who have scored more so maybe the goals aren't spread out as much as you think 🤔.



21 Feb 2021 21:35:59
A game of 2 halves, an ugly first 45 and a much more assured second 45.

Not much to say about that game, Rashford looked livelier, as did Dan James and Martial once against n added very little other than 1 shot.

I’m looking forward to the bigger games coming up, we seem to struggle more against smaller teams, if we can beat Chelsea I think top 4 will look very likely. Most teams are dropping points, Leicester are on a good run, City are on fire, and whilst West Ham are currently 4th I don’t see them sustaining it.

Arsenal and Spurs are too far behind, as are Liverpool probably, not necessarily for top 4 but to catch us. Everton are the outside bet but I see City, us, Chelsea and Leicester taking the top 4 spots.


1.) 21 Feb 2021 21:53:23
Don't rule out Liverpool just yet, its only 9 points.

2.) 21 Feb 2021 21:55:33
Fairplay to james, thought he had a poor first half but made up for it with the goal. If him playing on the right means we can keep rashford in his best position on the left, ill take that.

Pogba and cavani will be back soon hopefully for the run in.

I think liverpool will still find a way to get into the top 4 probably at the expense of chelsea.

3.) 21 Feb 2021 22:04:58
Big gap now to both Chelsea and Liverpool. We need to lose 3 more games than them. Big game next week. Lose and we are in danger of being sucked into a fight. Win and we look strong faves to secure top 4 imo.
Like you ajh I enjoyed the 2nd half.
A bit more pace in our play. Magic although his legs are going drives the team forward and passes forward better than fred or mctom from that defensive midfield role.
Martial with goals I could sort of put up with but martial minus the goals is just bad for the eyes.
Pleased for James. He liked lively. Shaw was again superb and has been all season. Looks fit and strong.
In my opinion there is a good team there bursting to get out.

4.) 21 Feb 2021 22:10:15
I think James offered quite a bit from the right, he looked like an actual winger, which was nice.

Cavani would have probably had a field day, although in fairness to AM there was one time James failed to get the cross in where AM had got across his man, and would have probably scored a tap in.

Fantastic result today. Playing after Thurs night away in europe is tough, and against a team that has that pace on the break was a good solid win.

I'm enjoying watching us this season. We are in a good place and a good solid run in will be a good progressive season for this team and squad.

5.) 21 Feb 2021 23:16:52
There’s no difference between playing Wednesday/ Saturday than there is Thursday/ Sunday. It’s footballing nonsense.

6.) 21 Feb 2021 23:28:14
Really felt for James at times given the fact he had no one in the box. He put in one cracking cross which the keeper spilled and regathered but martial had just jogged towards the edge of the box. How can he watch cavani and take nothing from it. Cavani would break his neck to score, martial wouldn’t break stride. Really fed up watching him at the moment. No point having all the talent if you aren’t going to work.

7.) 22 Feb 2021 01:41:53
Sorry fresh. Agree. Also a challenge for teams playing away in europe wed and then sat. It is why the big clubs have deep strong squads, but is still a week to recognize a good win even if the opposition does not seem the best.

8.) 22 Feb 2021 02:43:30

Quite often teams struggle when playing Wednesday - Saturday as well, the difference is that with the Europa league it’s always Thursday - Sunday whereas in the CL you may have a Wednesday - Saturday once or twice a year and the others could Tuesday - Saturday or Wednesday - Sunday. It does make a difference and always has.




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15 Dec 2020 07:54:29
Shappy, Ronaldo (and Messi) are light years ahead of any other players of this generation so yes, he probably is better. Imagine a couple of top signings and Ronaldo’s drive and mentality, the impact would be huge.

Can’t see it happening though.




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13 Dec 2020 17:10:21
I would take him in a flash. Proven winner, great work ethic and attitude, the player of his generation, an icon. He would improve every player in the squad.




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04 Oct 2020 11:25:49
If he can stay for, its an astute signing. Classy, winner, worker, professiona, he could have an impact.




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03 Oct 2020 19:26:33
We need maturity and we need winners, people with the right mentality. He may be past his best but he ticks those boxes and he’s still class.




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04 Sep 2020 08:39:15
We need a right winger, why are we even discussing Bale?





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07 Mar 2021 18:43:35
It’s frustrating isn’t it. We beat what is clearly the best team in the country yet we lose to Sheffield United and draw with West Brom. Mind boggling,




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05 Mar 2021 17:41:51
There are lots of opinions on here that people argue bout but these are facts so difficult to say anything other than really bad player management. Shocking.




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04 Mar 2021 12:48:19
Yet here we are second ken.




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04 Mar 2021 10:42:31
I thought Matic was one of our best players last night whereas others were shocking. Shaw was excellent and Greenwood was lively but apart from that not much else.

Rash and Bruno were awful and Cavani looked lost.




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04 Mar 2021 10:41:07
The players are shattered, some of them have been overplayed and are spent, poor player management.