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22 Jun 2022 21:11:04
So latest rumours are that Ajax aren't keen to sell anymore players after the departure of Haller along with Mazraoui and Gravenberch as well as the pre-agreed departure of Tagalifico also.

They don't want to lose Timber, or Martinez, or Alvarez or Antony.

To get any of those players will take a huge (above market value) bid to force their hand.

Antony will supposedly cost upward of 70m now.

As talented as he is, and as much as EtH might want him surely that's too much.

Shappy

1.) 22 Jun 2022 21:47:38
I’d like to see Garnacho promoted rather than spend that money. But if we really want a left footer in then we should maybe look at raphina. Better value than that.


2.) 22 Jun 2022 21:48:07
Maybe we should have got the deals done quicker before ajax sold off half their team…just a thought ?‍♂️?.


3.) 22 Jun 2022 21:48:30
Makes sense from an Ajax stand point. I'm sure they don't want to lose any more players unless the offers are too good to turn down.

I think we may get one of Antony or Martinez. It's very hard to change the reputation of a club that overpays but we should have alternatives and be willing to walk away if the price is too high.


4.) 23 Jun 2022 00:06:43
Raphina, seriously?


5.) 23 Jun 2022 08:08:27
Plenty of good sides want raphinha spenno. I think he’s a quality player. If ten hag wants a left footed attacker for the right then why not?


6.) 23 Jun 2022 08:16:38
Rapinha is an excellent player imo.


7.) 23 Jun 2022 09:37:36
Rumours circulating that Eriksen has turned Utd down now.


8.) 23 Jun 2022 09:54:12
Eric,

One rumour that’s all being attributed to the Guardian, not sure how reliable it is but best to just sit tight and wait, sure none of them know what Eriksen is thinking on his holidays.


9.) 23 Jun 2022 17:33:24
Trying to be positive. The window will never be as bad as the year we signed Fellani.


10.) 23 Jun 2022 17:44:37
Let’s wait and see Oakbark!


11.) 23 Jun 2022 19:59:27
Oakbark you might just want to hold your beer on that one lol.


12.) 23 Jun 2022 19:01:35
I think we’ll still purchase from Ajax, but may need to give them a player or two in exchange: Martial or Bailly perhaps.


13.) 23 Jun 2022 20:58:27
I don't think they would ever accept Martial or Bailly, simply their wages will be far too high for Ajax. Players they would more likely be interested in (in my opinion) would be Amad Diallo, Elanga, Pellistri, maybe Andreas Pereira.


 

 

15 Jun 2022 14:28:30
Seeing a few low-key rumours of United interested in Moussa Dembele from Lyon.

20+ goal involvements in 3 of the last 4 season's, plays well as a target man and knows where the back of the net is.

Rumoured to be available for between 25-30m as he's in the last year of his contact.

Maybe not a marquee signing, but for the money could be a savvy option to play back up to Ronaldo.

Personally I think you'll struggle to get a consistent goal scorer for less. Which enables more of the budget to go towards signing midfielders and defenders we need for the starting 11.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - Moussa Dembele (S) Will go for good in the summer. Fenerbahce would like to take him to Turkey. Agent is offering him around.}


1.) 15 Jun 2022 16:10:55
I liked the look of him when he was first coming through at Celtic. Can’t say I’ve really followed his progression much since he made the move to France, but his stats seem pretty good.

Perhaps we could offer them Martial in exchange? I doubt they’d accept a straight swap, but who knows.


2.) 15 Jun 2022 16:23:48
Reds even they wouldn’t bring martial in to the make the tea never mind play.


 

 

25 May 2022 17:27:35
New name linked, young Valencia keeper Giorgi Mamardashvili as an understudy to DDG.

Shappy

1.) 25 May 2022 17:35:07
Worth a few bob to the club when you get that name on back of jersey.


 

 

02 Apr 2022 10:33:11
Ed002, I see reports suggesting that when AS Roma approached Boubacar Kamara they were told a deal had already been agreed with Manchester United.

Is this just paper talk or is there something in this?

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - There is no agreement but one club in particular are talking with Marseille.}


1.) 02 Apr 2022 17:07:00
Cheers, could you divulge which team that is here or should I ask on the European pages?

{Ed002's Note - Atletico.}


2.) 02 Apr 2022 17:33:19
Thank Ed002. Atletico would be a good move for Kamara in my opinion. I assume he'll be a Saul replacement and act as competition with Kondogbia and Llorente in that defensive midfield role.


3.) 02 Apr 2022 19:33:01
Ed could you tell us which defenders are we targeting this summer. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - it is too early for a definitive list and the new coach will want some input.}


4.) 03 Apr 2022 01:49:02
Thanks ed!


 

 

02 Jan 2022 17:30:01
Well the January transfer window is open and the player we are linked to most strongly is Julian Alvarez.

Who on the face of it doesn't seem to fit our most pressing need, yet maybe that is why he might be a good option.

The January transfer market is notoriously difficult to make good signings in. Clubs are not prepared to lose their best players mid-season while they will either be fighting it out for honours or battling relegation. While typically only the players either not playing well or not playing at all are keen to move, those doing well often don't want to disrupt themselves.

Look at our squad, its players like Martial and Donny who want to leave, players not getting much game time.

For us while CDM might be the most important position to address, it is because its such a key position which is why we might not see a signing there in January. It's not a position/ role where we can afford to sign our 4th or 5th choice, or worse just whoever is available.

It's a position where we absolutely need to sign our first choice, and only if they are available in January should we sign them.

I'd be more inclined to recall James Garner from his loan if we absolutely needed another midfielder in January (only if he is going to play) rather than sign anyone just to get a body in.

That is why a player like Julian Alvarez makes more sense, its not a key position we need for the first 11 immediately. While with Martial looking to leave, Cavani off in the summer and Ronaldo 37 by the start of next season it is an area we will need to address in the not too distant future.

Therefore signing a player who is happy to move in January while taking advantage of the clause in his contract that allows him to leave for the fairly "cheap" fee of 17m makes sense.

As for that midfield role the only signing for me that makes sense in January would be Boubacar Kamara IF he is the clubs first choice.

Paying a relatively small fee for a player in January who we could get in the summer for free isn't normally the best thing to do. Yet in this case for two reason's I think it might make sense. Firstly the fight for top 4 is real and a tough one this season. Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester and West Ham are in with a chance along with ourselves. So any signing we could get that helps would be greatly appreciated. Secondly, I think the situation with Marseille is such that if he left for free it would create "bad feeling" between the clubs. Which is always best avoided if possible.

Shappy

1.) 03 Jan 2022 00:32:23
Rangnick said himself midfield is the priority, and another player repeatedly linked is Haidara, maybe because yes he has played for Rangnick but also (supposedly) has a release clause. I agree we shouldn’t be going for players too far down the shopping list, but also hope we’re not just looking at the easier premium names like Rice when we’ve already proved the marquee signings aren’t always the wisest.

{Ed002's Note - Try searching - there is interest.}


2.) 03 Jan 2022 06:53:26
Denis Zakaria will soon be out of contract.
I feel he is perfect for the EPL.


3.) 03 Jan 2022 09:46:07
Id argue with our midfield options of Matic and McFred, even getting our 4th or 5th choice would be an upgrade in that position.

Even a loan deal stop gap signing would be worth pursuing in January to get someone with a half decent first touch and not scared of passing the ball. Even someone like jonjo shelvey would be an upgrade on our current midfield options in terms of passing certainly.


4.) 03 Jan 2022 10:32:40
I’m Assuming that’s tongue in cheek DSG. Shelvey would look out if place in League One. Awful.


5.) 03 Jan 2022 12:14:24
DSG, that's not true though. We didn't sign a midfielder in the summer because we still had Matic, Pogba and Donny on the books.

Therefore signing a sub-par player now just to get someone in could mean we are stuck with that player in the summer and they restrict our ability to sign a top class player then.

Spenno, sometimes the obvious choice (Rice) is obvious for a reason. He would instantly improve our side and is both a top player and someone with potential to get even better. That doesn't mean he should be the player we sign, but I wouldn't be against the club signing him just because he is an "obvious" choice.

TRD, Zakaria looks a bit of a beast. I doubt the physicality of the EPL would be too much for him, in fact I think he'd thrive in it. He reminds me a lot of Patrick Viera, tall, strong, strides forward with the ball but technical and a great passer as well.

Personally I think we need less of a box to box player and more of a holder. Matic is the only natural holding midfielder, McTominay and Fred work better when given the freedom to roam around a bit more.

That's why I feel someone like Rice or Kamara would work better than Zakaria or Haidara.


6.) 03 Jan 2022 13:26:18
We actually can get Zakaria and Kamara combined for probably less than 20 million.
But need to move on Matic, Lingard, Martial, Mata and few others.


7.) 03 Jan 2022 14:40:33
TRD, maybe so but do we NEED both?

Would both be able to settle at the same time?

Typically it's never a good idea to bring in two new players in the same position at the same time. Invariably one succeeds and the other struggles. Case in point when we signed RvN and Forlan at the same time. Both quality players, but it's difficult for two new players in the same position assimilate into the team at the same time.

Football is a team game and the team dynamic is important. Players knowing how the manager wants them to play and be used to those demands. Players knowing their colleagues and knowing when, where and how to pass to them, or where to move to receive the ball etc.

I'd imagine over the next couple of windows we'll see us sign a CDM, a CAM/ winger, a ST, then maybe a RB and maybe a CB depending on departures.

I think we might see a couple of youngsters be added to the first team on a more regular basis. Maybe someone like James Garner, which would give us potentially a second "new" body in midfield.


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2022 18:55:23
Lots has been made over the whole Arnold thing. As always with United it seems to be a polarising situation.

You have those who claim it unprofessional, and to an extent they have a point.

While the other side feel its refreshing to have someone with power actually engage with the fans in a open and honest way.

Personally while I appreciate it might come across slightly unprofessional I actually like the fact that he took the time to sit down and be candid with the fans. It wasn't a dressed up press event to merely "look" like the club are engaging with fans, but an actual sit down off the record chat.

It's refreshing and a million miles away from how Ed Woodward dealt with such matters.

Obviously the video leaking is less than ideal and potentially brings unwanted press attention. Yet the reality is that had Arnold done nothing then there would have been protests outside his house which would have no doubt made it into the press and would have been equally damaging.

Personally the only fault I can find here is that of the fans.

Both in attempting to protest outside a mans house. That isn't the right way to do things. Protest at the stadium by all means, or the training ground. But leave a mans family out of his work life.

Secondly, to secretly record the meeting then distribute it online shows a shocking lack of moral fibre after a top executive has been forthcoming and willing to engage with fans.

That betrayal of trust almost certainly means Arnold or anyone else at the club won't be as forthcoming and open again.

And for what, did he say anything hugely important or shocking? No, all information was fairly bland and vanilla. It seems like the individual who recorded it and posted it did so to be billy big ballacks. To try and show off, to make themselves relevant rather than bring some clarifying news to the fans.

It's stunts like this that lead our fanbase to be labelled toxic.

Shappy

1.) 20 Jun 2022 19:09:34
Or did they do it to inform all fans rather than just the handful that were in the pub?

I guess we'll never know.


2.) 20 Jun 2022 19:21:31
In what way can it be construed as unprofessional.


3.) 20 Jun 2022 20:14:04
Most comparisons with other CEOs go out the window in my opinion. No one is banging on the CEO of Apple's door because they're unhappy with the last 10 years of iPhones.

The fans are the lifeblood of the club and have called for more engagement for years. Watching and listening to Arnold was a breath of fresh air. I doubt for one second he was reprimanded for his actions.

As for the clown who taped it. Those fans could have easily tweeted or made any post about what Arnold had to say and it would have went viral. There's no need to do it because the information could have been shared plenty of other ways.

Arnold went up a few notches in my book yo be honest. Seems like he cares and he knows where the club needs to go. To sit in front of fans like that can't be easy so fair play to him.


4.) 20 Jun 2022 21:01:32
Good post, Mumbles.


5.) 20 Jun 2022 21:34:37
Did Arnold say the two players leaking stories had left the club?


6.) 20 Jun 2022 21:55:00
Ken, I'd consider it unprofessional in that he could have set up a proper Q&A with fans, and discussed things openly and through the correct channels.

Meeting the guys down the pub where it can easily be filmed and what he is saying probably hasn't been "okayed" by the club.

It means we now have this situation where something that shouldn't have been in the press is.

While I appreciate that much dealing in business takes place in such places. To do so with some random guys you don't know was at best a little naïve.

All that said I really appreciate the approach and think it's a breath of fresh air. I won't condemn him for it. However, it also doesn't expunge him from any responsibility the may have had over the past 10 years.

I await to see how he handles things and if things have/ will change under his tenure at the top.


7.) 21 Jun 2022 08:12:37
It doesn't matter what you expect from. A ceo you know nothing about aceo role in a business of this size so what you echoey is irrelevant.
Nothing unprofessional about what he did.


8.) 21 Jun 2022 12:31:11
You're right Ken, I don't know much about being a CEO of a company the size of Manchester United.

Yet meeting the lads down the pub to discuss the company direction/ strategy comes across much more like something from Trotters Independent Trading than a global institution.

While the clowns who filmed it and distributed the video might be the real world equivalent of Trigger, I'd expect the CEO of Manchester United not to act like Del Boy.


9.) 21 Jun 2022 12:31:11
You're right Ken, I don't know much about being a CEO of a company the size of Manchester United.

Yet meeting the lads down the pub to discuss the company direction/ strategy comes across much more like something from Trotters Independent Trading than a global institution.

While the clowns who filmed it and distributed the video might be the real world equivalent of Trigger, I'd expect the CEO of Manchester United not to act like Del Boy.


10.) 21 Jun 2022 22:22:58
It wasn't a prearranged meeting, Shappy. He showed a bit of craft and wit, to stop them coming to his house, which wouldn't have looked good for anyone and the media would have had a field day. He thought on his feet, which I like. There would have been no dramas, if one of the clowns hadn't started recording. Even then, he dealt with it well and said nothing really controversial or embarrassing. Far better outcome than what the alternative could have been.


 

 

18 Jun 2022 07:37:51
With Darwin Nunez heading to Liverpool there doesn't appear to be an obvious option to sign a striker.

Personally I think half the issue is trying to find a striker who will be happy to play second fiddle to Ronaldo. While the other half seems to be finding someone who won't cost a fortune but is still good enough.

As seen with Nunez, spending upwards of 50-70m on a player who'll primarily be back up for next season just isn't something the club can afford to do.

So I've thought of a potential player who I think might be a good fit. Emmanuel Dennis from Watford had a very good first season in the EPL playing for a side that really struggled and ultimately got relegated.

He has the flexibility to play up front, on either wing or as a second striker. He's quick and strong and a good finisher. He also creates a fair few chances for his teammates. Supposedly available for around 20m after Watford's relegation I think he could fit the role of a really solid back up forward capable of playing right across the he front line. But also have potential to improve and become a better player.

Personally I think we need a few more of these type of signings. Savvy deals for players who'll strengthen the squad but not take up a significant amount of the budget enabling finances to be focused on areas of greatest need.

Shappy

1.) 18 Jun 2022 08:54:08
Totally agree Shappy. Not every player needs to break the bank, as you said someone like Dennis or someone from a team lower down the league who could play when Ronaldo needs a rest.

Fergie was great at those signings to fill a gap or light a fire under someone. You wouldn't know if the manager will deploy someone like Rashford up front or one of our many wingers, not ideal at all but if we don't bring in a striker and Ronaldo gets injured, we could be in trouble.


2.) 18 Jun 2022 09:26:11
Mumbles, we definitely need a solution for what to do when Ronaldo needs a rest or is out injured/ suspended.

Maybe that solution comes from a signing, that certainly seems the most obvious solution.

However, if we can't find a buyer for Martial then maybe EtH can get something out of him. He did manage 23 goals a few seasons ago.

Maybe he plays Rashford there and is able to get him playing that position to the best of his ability.

Maybe he plays Bruno as a false 9 when Ronaldo isn't available in a similar way to how he set up his Ajax side initially with Tadic playing through the middle.

There are options which I think as United fans we are quick to dismiss based on our preconceived ideas about the players we already have.

EtH is a proper coach, someone who can improve players and maybe get more out of them than we have seen previously.

However, if what we are looking for is a cover player, then I think it's madness to spend a significant amount of our budget on someone who's primary role will be to sit on the bench next season. Ridiculous to have a 50m sit on the bench while we have so many places in the first 12 that need fixing.


3.) 18 Jun 2022 09:40:38
Imo Ronaldo will leave the club.
I don't think he will stay without Champions League or challenging for important trophies.
As Ed already stated, Jorge Mendes will likely explore options to find another club.


4.) 18 Jun 2022 09:46:25
I've shared very similar sentiments like Shappy before.
I think rashford and martial could be backups. Bruno as well.
Couple of players worth signing could be Andrea Belotti (available on a free) and Moussa Dembele.
Let's not offer huge wages, but if anyone who's coming from Torino is Italy they won't be on huge wages anyway.


5.) 18 Jun 2022 10:22:56
If Ronaldo leaves, I'm sure the amateurs would sign a very wrong replacement.


6.) 18 Jun 2022 10:45:32
I can't understand why we haven't looked at Luka Jovic. He hasn't been great at Real, however, we looked at him for a while when he was in Germany.

Could be a good under the radar type signing for a striker rather than always going for the guy who's going to cost the Earth.


7.) 18 Jun 2022 15:55:44
Why not look at developing Charlie McNeill or Hugill? Obviously very young, but McNeill is very talented and is a Manchester lad. It’s a tough role but it’s the only way we find out if they’re good enough than wasting time with another Igahlo style signing.

Also rashford can cover too.


8.) 18 Jun 2022 18:01:52
Firstly, we've missed out on a true talent in Nunez, he's going to be sensational for Liverpool. I'm not sure we tried hard enough to get him.
So now, we're going to look for second rate players to lead the line for United. This is a sign that the fans have lowered their ambition just like the owners. We are being made to accept mediocrity as we know the owners will not invest and are more interested in paying themselves dividends.
The notion that Martial or Rashford will suddenly develop a closing down and chasing attitude and become prolific goal machines is hilarious. Neither can cover for Robaldo and neither will score goals consistently or play the high press game.
So if we have given up and decided we're going to be a mid-table team for the time being, then I agree with Caolan and we should try McNeil or Hugill because the others mentioned are simply not good enough.


9.) 18 Jun 2022 20:21:43
I think Isak could be good enough.


 

 

24 May 2022 17:19:31
Do managers have favourites?

Yeah of course they do, every manager does.

I understand the frustration that fans have when certain players keep getting picked. Yet few ask why.

They just assume it's favouritism.

But why does a manager favour a certain player?

I doubt it's due to their haircut or the number on their back.

It's most likely based on performances in training, application, attitude and how they are around the team.

Do you pick the guy who knuckles down and listens to your coaching, taking on board the tips and guidance you give.

Or do you pick the clown who doesn't try, ignores your advice, and does his own thing?

When you work hard planning a coaching session, only for a player to disregard what you're coaching it's unlikely to make you feel you can trust them to do what you ask when on the pitch in a game.

Maybe certain players aren't getting picked because they don't apply themselves properly and respectfully in training.

Shappy

1.) 24 May 2022 19:15:12
I imagine there is a significant crossover between the players who fail to apply themselves in training and those who have become disruptive influences in the dressing room. None of the pundits want to name these players but it may be the case that Bailly for example falls into this group. At the opposite end of the spectrum is the "teacher's pet" who trains hard, follows instructions and consequently plays most games. Players like Fletcher are examples of this kind of player under Ferguson, and I wouldn't be surprised if McTominay is his latter day equivalent.


2.) 24 May 2022 21:44:04
The only difference between Fletcher and McTomminay is footballing talent.


3.) 24 May 2022 21:46:37
Of course it could also be that the manager doesn't have a clue!


4.) 25 May 2022 08:07:48
I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain can assume that players aren't just picked because of their names, it's what they do in training in the lead up to the game that dictates whether they play or not.


5.) 25 May 2022 10:16:40
Obviously, you choose clowns, Pogba and Maguire for example.


6.) 25 May 2022 13:35:50
Dont really understand the point of this post, of course most of the selections are made on application in training and suitability for the game plan.

But there is no doubt some players are picked because they are the managers favourite or some players aren't picked because the manager just doesn't like them or the cut of their jib.

A perfect example of this is Rudiger under Tuchel and Lampard, was sidelined by Lampard and portrayed as a bad egg and toxic in the dressing room, something a lot of their fanbase fell for hook like and sinker.

As soon as Tuchel comes in Rudiger plays and looks like a world class defender who is now a leader and role model in the dressing room.

Are we supposed to believe his non selection and selection under Tuchel and Lampard was down purely to his performances in training?


7.) 25 May 2022 13:42:09
DSG, Rudiger could easily be a tactical misfit.

Lampard tended to play with a back four and when Rudiger played in Lampards system he looked okay at best.

Tuchel has played with a back three and Rudiger seems far more at home and suited to that sort of system.


 

 

16 May 2022 17:27:58
Depending on what happens with the fixtures this week we could be about to have one of the most exciting final days of the season in living memory.

We could have the title decided depending on Liverpool/ City results.

Any of Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs could finish 3rd, 4th or 5th. After all the pomp about Chelsea challenging for the title this year they could end up 5th and out of the UCL for next season.

While at the bottom of the table any of Burnley, Leeds or Everton could get relegated on the final day depending on results.

I think this goes to highlight the competitiveness of the EPL in its current guise. Which goes to show the sheer size of the task for EtH to get us competitive again.

As the only thing for United on the final day might be whether we can better West Ham's result to qualify for the Europa League. Otherwise it's the Europa conference league for us.

We have fallen, now we see whether we can pick ourselves back up and climb back to the top again.

I have a lot of hope going into the new season, but I am fully aware that the task ahead is huge and that success for us next season has to be relative to our current situation and not based on historical success.

Shappy

1.) 16 May 2022 19:03:11
Hope gets us through the dark times, but in reality, hope is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.

Friedrich Nietzsche.


2.) 16 May 2022 22:04:45
Grim, that's true if hope is all the person is doing.

Just hoping things will get better leaves it up to chance as to whether they will.

Hoping things will improve while actively doing things to try and improve your situation will more often than not improve things.

However, it's impossible to actively do anything to improve your situation without hope that things will get better. Why would you do anything without hope.


3.) 17 May 2022 18:23:41
I’m extremely hopeful and excited for the next few months. Trying to remain positive, perhaps I should give this place a wide berth for a while!


4.) 17 May 2022 19:11:36
Shap, sometimes I wish I supported a team that has never won anything, no expectations or disappointments.


5.) 18 May 2022 00:06:39
Chelsea are guaranteed top 4 and CL. Spurs pretty much nailed on for 4th as they play bottom of the pile Norwich and only need a draw.

The top 6 are who was predicted to be in the top 6 at the start of the season, pretty much mostly in the order most predicted them to finish. (Perhaps Utd 5th instead of 6th) With the bottom 3 in Norwich, Watford and Burnley also most peoples picks for relegation.

Everton with their summer ffp issues and transfers and Benitez in charge were predicted to struggle.

This isn’t hindsight in the slightest. Apart from Brentford, Palace and maybe Wolves, the majority of teams are where they are and performed to the level expected at the start of the season.


6.) 18 May 2022 01:06:55
Grim, every club has expectations. They just differ depending on circumstances. Maybe the expectation is to win the league, for qualify for Europe, or be comfortable mid-table, avoid relegation, get promoted, make the playoffs ect.

Everton's expectations are to push for a European place, yet they are fighting relegation. I expect many of their fans feel disappointed.

Norwich and Watford fans will be disappointed to be back in the championship next season. Leeds fans didn't expect to be fighting relegation after sacking their most successful manager in over 15 years.

I'd rather be disappointed that we didn't win/ challenge for the title than disappointed that we got relegated.


7.) 18 May 2022 13:48:10
When I was growing up I watched Liverpools juggernaut winning everything. We were never really in with a shout of a league, had to settle for a Cup here and there.

The club had some cracking players (Whiteside Moses Robson) but seemed to be lurching about never threatening. They then signed a Scot who had a bit of success outside the Old firm, didn't know a lot about him, had seen his team in Europe a couple of times.

Things were a bit up and down and then the EPL era started and the Scot got things going and suddenly everything went ballistic at OT and from Mid teens on all I know was success.

My dad and grandad used to rave about Best Charlton and Edwards most of all and these Legends of past eras and suddenly we had new Legends at OT rather than really just Robson in the 80s.

Fergie changed my expectations of Man Utd rather I imagine like Klopp changed Liverpools now.

Before Fergie no one was demanding or expecting titles, it felt everyone just wanted and hoped we would get there, was more of a wish or dream.


 

 

16 May 2022 02:52:50
While I'm excited to see how EtH does with us, what excites/ intrigues me most is the host of people leaving the club in a variety of roles.

Woodward has left as CEO.

Bout and Lawlor have left as head of global scouting and chief scout respectively.

Matt Judge has left as head of finance/ chief of negotiations.

Hemen Tseayo has left as head of Corporate finance and strategy.

And chief of staff Patrick Coyle has now left.

Six people in key roles in areas of the club that many fans have questioned over the past 8 years or more.

Something is happening behind the scenes. Are they jumping ship? Do they know something is going to happen soon? A sale maybe? Or had the club decided that the past 10 years have been a failure and are looking to remove many of the people they feel has contributed to that failure.

Obviously in all walks of life people move jobs for all sorts of reasons. Yet the sheer number of people leaving after holding these positions for many years along with the timing seems to suggest something is a foot.

It might be a wait and see thing. With way and am positive for next season and am looking forward to the team and hopefully the whole club looking at moving in a new direction.

Shappy

1.) 16 May 2022 06:12:18
They've left because they were unhappy with certain things at the club shappy.


2.) 16 May 2022 09:24:53
Angel, how true is that? Ed Woodward certainly didn't leave because he was unhappy. By all accounts he was a driving force behind the club's ambition to join the super league. When that whole idea fell flat he has fallen on his sword.

What about Tseayo? Head of Corporate finance and strategy along with Matt Judge. Two key people in terms of club finance and running the club.

Many if not all of these people have been at the club for over 10 years in different capacities. They were happy enough to stay here for the long term under the Glazers and Woodward's stewardship. Never seemed unhappy previously. So what has changed?

Why have many long term employees sudden become unhappy to the extent that they seek employment away from the club? What's changed or is about to change?

Are they having powers removed, changes in responsibilities, greater accountability?

Something has changed, something that is driving many people who are partially responsible for the mess we are in to look to seek employment away from the club for the first time in over 10 years.

Maybe a touch hyperbolic but the sheer number of people leaving at the same time could be called an exodus.

It won't be as simple as they are just looking for a new challenge. If they are unhappy the question should be why when they have been clearly happy for many years. What has or is about to change?


3.) 16 May 2022 10:39:10
I will look at these moves as a positive regardless of the reasons for the move, we can't keep doing the same things over the past 10 years and expect a different result so to me these are all positive.
As for the logic that they are leaving due to not being happy with things happening at the club. In all companies you hear this from people leaving roles when companies have actually challenged them to perform, work harder, work more productively. suddenly they don't like what is happening. maybe the club is starting to make these roles more accountable and modernising it rather than an old boys club that you get sheltered by Woodward as you are in the inner circle.
Regardles, in this case any change for me is positive. We just need good football decisions to replace.


4.) 16 May 2022 11:33:36
I’m with you Brad. Change is good, change is to be embraced, and change is desperately needed. We’re an archaic corporate entity and the people leaving have all been part of that issue.


5.) 16 May 2022 11:52:34
Over the years, up and down the country and the FA included, football clubs have been set up as a job for the boys. There will be a narrative that these individuals are leaving because they are unhappy with the club and how badly it is run. Fact is they have been a part of all that and I see no coincidence that Woodward leaving has created this snowball effect.

Louis Van Gaal first identified the issue publicly when he said the difference between Bayern and United is that Bayern is run by football people and that United is a commercial club. Well you are only successful commercially in sport when you are successful in the actual sport. When Chelsea were brought by Abramovich we weathered that storm and remained successful, then City were brought and for a while we competed and was successful as well but the emergence of Liverpool, I don't think anyone running the club saw as they were not involved in a big takeover, they just got a football man running the club and team and suddenly there were 3 clubs challenging United and in fact, sadly, overtaking and pulling away from United.

Whilst United, commercially were successful, Woodward and his cronies were safe and could show the owners what they wanted to see but commercial income has been falling since 2018 and matchday income has been falling since 2017 (appreciate C.V. has been a big factor in this) . It has only been the broadcasting income that has been successful but with no Champions League and poor cup runs, the brand can only get you so far, the club need to get back to being successful on the pitch and these people don't know how to do that so rather than get the Spanish archer and have that on your CV, it's better for them to walk away and blame the club and the running of it as to why they are leaving than explaining to future employers why they failed and one of the worlds largest sport brands.

Unfortunately, from a British point of view, it as taken a number of foreign managers to identify the issue with the club, Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Rangnick. From a positive point of view, it seems we are getting a better structure and better individuals involved in the club and hopefully moving to a structure similar to that of the German clubs who I always consider to be very well run clubs.

And the final piece will be new ownership and as Shappy alluded to, potentially another reason for these individuals to jump ship but I suspect this will be a lot harder to happen then replacing the personnel that is currently happening.

But, could be miles off with all this but hopefully made for a nice read ???.


6.) 16 May 2022 15:22:31
Ports. Woodward was a failure despite the initial surge in value thanks to great brand marketing. Stock price is down. Other clubs are more valuable. Club is a shambles from top to bottom. Jose nailed it when he said coming second was his greatest achievement given what was going on behind the scenes.

There is no coincidence that all these folks are jumping ship. Woodward's departure and this season's awful performances do not flatter them. The structure of the club requires major changes and they know it's coming and none of them can point to any positive achievements during their tenure. Whatever is coming next can surely not be any worse than it would have been had they stayed.


7.) 16 May 2022 16:45:34
Shawthing, in our eyes as fans yes Woodward was a failure because we look at success on the pitch. But to his bosses? Well they come from a sport where success doesn’t dictate the financial income. Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable franchise in the NFL but not won the super bowl since 1996. New York Giants are 3rd and not won it for 10 years. Washington are 5th and not won it since 1992. So as long as Woodward was putting up numbers for the Glazers, they would, I assume view him a success. But football is a global sport and success makes football clubs more valuable. So currently we are not successful and the owners are facing a group of fans desperate to get them out, almost by any means necessary. I guess the club as well is not that appealing to any potential buyers currently. When you want to sell your house and you want top dollar, if it’s in a poor condition, you got to give it a facelift. I think we are going through our much needed facelift at the moment and hopefully will result in some interested buyers.


8.) 17 May 2022 06:31:49
Shappy, because ed002 says it is.


9.) 17 May 2022 11:44:59
I have never understood the praise commercially Woodward got. I honestly reckon I could get United a few sponsors lol.


 

 

 

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23 Jun 2022 20:58:27
I don't think they would ever accept Martial or Bailly, simply their wages will be far too high for Ajax. Players they would more likely be interested in (in my opinion) would be Amad Diallo, Elanga, Pellistri, maybe Andreas Pereira.

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22 Jun 2022 14:10:02
DSG, is that the same guy at Leeds who will cost more than 55-60m and is currently being chased/ considered by Barcelona, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal.

Three of which can offer UCL. While I can't see Leeds being over the moon to sell to us.

Antony on the other hand has played for EtH, and apparently wants to join. He's also 3 years younger.

I'm sure there are many very good or even great players out there available this summer for the right price.

However, as a club who have finished 6th we have to accept that we aren't the most attractive club to join currently. We might have to lean on those who have a strong connection with the manager to get players into the club.

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22 Jun 2022 10:19:25
I tend to agree with Ken and GDS on this one.

Jones is unfortunate in that he just can't stay fit. I'm sure he'd rather be fit and playing even on half the wages.

I also think people are far too hard on him as a player. When he has managed to stay fit he has been first choice for most managers. He was first choice for LvG and Mourinho when fit. Ole played him for a few games when fit at the start of his time as manager.

I'd argue that his one start last season against Wolves was at least as good as anything we saw from any of our other CB's last season. Possibly as an individual performance it was arguably the best CB performance last season.

He isn't a bad player. He never managed to reach the heights his talent suggested he could reach due to the constant injuries. While the media have made him into a joke with the faces he pulls while playing. Which while funny is unkind and unfair.

I'd probably say a fully fit Phil Jones plays ahead of any of Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly or Tuanzebe.

He also has a good attitude, he never gives less than 100% when on the pitch. Watch him walking on to the pitch against Wolves and tell me the other 10 players look as up for it as Jones does.

I'll be sad to see him leave as his career is tragic and you are left wondering what if.

Every footballer wants to play and win things, they also want to earn as much as they can while doing so.

Jones is unfortunate in that it doesn't matter who pays him he won't play as his body just cannot sustain itself for the demands of playing football.

So like Ken said, why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. He's also fairly local to where he grew up and all his friends and family.

I can't see much appeal for him taking a pay cut to sit in the physio room potentially 300 miles away from his friends and family.

If you were given a choice of doing a job for 50k or 25k for doing the exact same thing, to a man everyone of us would take the 50k job.

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22 Jun 2022 09:56:47
DSG. Klopp joined Liverpool after the transfer window had closed. He managed them for close to a full season before he entered a summer transfer window. He was also unemployed for several months before joining Liverpool having left Dortmund.

He had time to assess that squad.

Pep, went to Bayern before joing City and even had a year off on sabbatical between leaving Bayern and joining City. Rumours suggest that he was lined up a long time before he took the City job and that the club were using him as a consultant of sorts with transfers before he took the job.

Both cases are very different to the one EtH finds himself in. Where he has jumped from one job straight into another and now has to decide transfer targets having never worked with the squad he is now manager of.

There will be players in our squad that us fans have written off who actually do well under EtH and will suprise us. While there could also be players we think are good enough who either don't gel with EtH or suit his style of play.

Bruno for example is a player I wonder whether he suits EtH's style. He could adapt, but he won't fit well with EtH if he tries to play as he has over the past 2 years. Maybe that is why EtH supposedly wants Eriksen.

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22 Jun 2022 09:48:02
If I was to guess I'd imagine that if United were interested in another Barcelona player then I'd probably guess at Sergino Dest.

Plays in a position we need to strengthen, has played for EtH previously and is someone Barcelona are trying to sell to raise funds.

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24 Jun 2022 19:17:56
When Rangnick said this squad needs 10 new players to be competitive at the top of the table, he was right, but that isn't going to happen in one window.

I think many fans want/ expect to see 5 or 6 new first 11 players this summer.

That was always going to be tricky. We also need to make sure we don't make the same mistakes as we have in the past. When LvG came in we signed 6 players in one window. Shaw, Herrera, Di Maria, Blind, Falcao and Rojo.

Two were already agreed (Shaw and Herrera), Di Maria and Falcao were brought in to sell shirts mostly, while Rojo and Blind were two players LvG requested.

Only Shaw remains at the club, while the others were either flops or bang average at best.

We wasted a huge amount of money that summer and in many others.

The signings we make this summer have to work. We can't afford to sign 2 or 3 players who just don't work out.

The biggest issue is we have a broken and bloated squad. Getting players out the club is more important this summer.

Give EtH a streamlined squad without the blaggers and trouble makers.

It's much easier to train a new system/ style into a smaller group of players than a large one.

Make space in the squad for our talented young players coming through. Players like Laird, Mengi, Bernard, Fernandez, Garner, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hannibal, Shoretire and McNeil. That's a team minus the goalkeeper. All of them capable of stepping up for a few games here or there if needed.

As I see it we will sign a CM, most likely FDJ. We will get a flexible forward, Antony seems the obvious choice but don't be surprised to see a wild card such as Charles De Ketelaere if Ajax won't let Antony leave this summer.

After that I think it very much depends on departures.

EtH would like a new CB, but with Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe already on the books 2 or 3 will need to leave to create space for a new CB.

He'd like a new full back as well, but we currently have Dalot, AWB, Shaw, Telles and Williams in the first team. With Laird and Fernandez in the academy. Again departures are needed if we are to get another full back in.

We will definitely sign a back up keeper now Henderson's move to Forest is pretty much finalised. It looks most likely to be Daniel Bachmann from Watford for under 5m. This signing is just about getting a body in for cover.

If we cannot bring in a CB or a fullback due to not being able to get existing ones out of the club then I could see us going for another CM, someone like Manu Kobe or Matheus Nunes if he is still available. That would almost certainly see Garner head back out on loan I'd imagine.

That's my view on what we will likely see this summer.

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24 Jun 2022 07:50:43
Ken, I think a combination of several factors make many United fans have concerns over the debt.

Firstly, when the Glazers were attempting to take over the club David Gill came out and said that debt is the road to ruin.

Secondly, most of us don't run multinational companies and have little to no concept of corporate debt.

Thirdly, it's an easy thing to blame for the club's malaise over the past 10 years. It's easy to suggest the debt the Glazers placed on the club is the reason for us not being able to compete. Rather than accepting that the club has spent 1.4bn in the last 10 years, more than pretty much every other club. It isn't that we haven't had money to spend, just that it's been spent very poorly. Even our current CEO has agreed that is the case.

Both Real Madrid and Barcelona have debt 3 or 4 times as high as the debt United have. Yet it hasn't stopped Real Madrid winning 5 of the last 9 UCL titles. With Barcelona winning one of the other 4 titles it means 6 of the last 9 UCL titles have been won by clubs in significantly more debt that ourselves. Proving that debt isn't necessarily prohibitive to winning titles.

I think United fans are just tired and exasperated at not having a competitive side for the past decade. Without a clear understanding of the structure at the club and who is responsible it's easier to blame the debt.

The club seems to be going through a total overhaul of staff. New coaching staff, new heads of scouting, new head of academy, new DoF, new technical director, new CEO, new head of finance/ negotiations.

It seems like the entire set up has been changed, yet the Ed's on here still feel like the club will be run in an amateurish fashion. Suggesting that the people calling the shots have stayed and that they are making the same mistakes.

It does seem that the club has a fascination with hiring people who aren't "best in class". Ed Woodward got a job he was ill-suited to leading to over 1bn leaving the club, most of it wasted. Evra said publicly that Matt Judge was difficult not get hold of for other clubs to discuss deals with. That might go some way to explaining the seemingly drawn out negotiations our fans have become accustomed with.

Both are now gone. Did the club look for best in class when replacing them? No they promoted from within to replace Woodward. While Thomas Keane who is replacing Judge is the brother of ex-United players Will and Michael Keane.

Our new DoF was promoted from within, Ex-player Darren Fletcher was hired for a role that no one can explain and he certainly has no experience of.

Murtaugh's new assistant is a former academy coach.

We seem obsessed with hiring people with some sort of connection to the club rather than hiring the best people possible.

Many of the recent appointments have absolutely ZERO experience of doing the role they are now being paid to do.

For me this is the real issue at the club, not the debt. Why do we keep hiring people who do not have the experience to do the role, but have some connection to the club?

Is it driven by someone at the club who feels that the employees should have some connection to the club. Or is it more worryingly that they approached top professionals and none of them want to work for the club because they see problems they cannot surpass.

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24 Jun 2022 07:17:55
I'd sell Telles, he just hasn't got to grips with the EPL.

Keep an eye on Alvaro Fernandez from the youth set up. Could be a suprise name to make a few first team appearances this season.

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23 Jun 2022 21:11:35
Ken, to be honest with what little I know of running a football club the only top side I really rate as being an excellently run club top to bottom is Bayern Munich.

Dominate their league, bring in huge revenue, have a great footballing structure that puts football at the forefront of their business strategy, they don't over spend, they have a clear idea about recruitment, they typically handle changes in management really well, knowing when to hit the button and when to stick it out, while they make few poor appointments and are swift to fix things when they do.

Just a well run ship, at least from the outside looking in.

Beyond them though I don't see too many models that I'd like to see implemented at United. So many clubs in huge debt, so many clubs flip-flop, so many clubs eaten up by internal politics and power struggles.

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23 Jun 2022 17:21:43
Darwin Nunez looks like one hell of a talent make no mistake. While Naby Keita and AOC aside Liverpool's recent transfers since Klopp came in have generally worked out very well.

Far more hits than misses. They just sold a 30 year old Mane after 6 great years for pretty much what they paid for him.

Diaz has probably been one of the top ten players in the EPL since he signed in January. Yet he had only ever done it in the Portuguese league previously.

Ronaldo when we first signed him had only ever done it in the Portuguese league.

Bruno had only found his phenomenal form in the Portuguese league before we signed him.

Ruben Dias had only ever done it in the Portuguese league before he moved to City and was one of the top 2 CB's in the league.

I wouldn't be disrespecting Liga Nos, many great players have come out of that league. Personally I feel Liga Nos and Ligue 1 probably produce the best players for the EPL. Certainly I think they adapt better than players coming from Serie A, La Liga or the Bundesliga.

He may or may not be a success, but to run him down and the league he has come from when we have signed no one and when we have signed many successful players from that league just comes across bitter.

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