18 Aug 2020 16:52:57
lets congratulate the players for going on an unbeaten run and finishing third something we could not have dreamt of in January.
Ole bashing is not the answer. He has done the best with the squad he inherited.
I am sure that we will reinforce the current group over time and that the younger players will be better next season.
Lets remember that we are the supporters of the team and although we can be critical we should understand that it takes time to be successful.
lets get behind United and wish them well for season 2020/ 21.
18 Aug 2020 18:00:30
Three cheers for Ole the dream maker.
18 Aug 2020 18:23:03
MOTZ21
“It takes time to be successful“, I remember they said that about Sexton and Atkinson at the start. Time in itself doesn’t guarantee achievement, the manager has to know what he is doing. When SAF arrived you could see what he did at Aberdeen, with Ole you can see what he did at Cardiff and Molde.
“Ole bashing is not the answerâ€. It’s not “bashing†to give an honest assessment of what he is doing or not able to do. I will give him credit when it is due as I did when we made top four but the debacle of the FA Cup semi final did him no favours. This isn’t North Korea.
18 Aug 2020 19:37:13
Red Man/ Mumbles - You are both fantastic posters and I always enjoy reading your posts. I think your correct in suggesting the Club must have ambition, finishing third and losing in three cup finals does not represent success.
I can see logic in your arguments that Utd should have an experienced manager with a proven track record at the highest level.
For the record I was amazed when Ole was appointed care taker manager. At the I believed the Club should have under taken a methodical and detailed recruitment process and appointed a manager in line with the vision and traditions of the Club. In reality this was never going to happen because we have no one at the Club with the experience or footballing knowledge to implement this strategy.
Utd are in essence a Club built on the success of two managers. I suppose they shared similar values of playing attacking, attractive football whilst trusting in youth and giving young players a chance. In my opinion they should be the core values that permeate throughout the Club. The academy should be at the heart of our footballing strategy and we should look to develop young players into the first team. There should be a commitment to playing attacking, caviller, football and a spirit of playing to the end and never giving up. These beliefs incorporated with a detailed, modern and intelligent recruitment program should provide the basis of the footballing philosophy at Man Utd.
Two men shared a similar vision which brought the Club decades of success. Sadly this vision died when they both retired.
The post Fergi Glazer strategy is confused or simply none existent. In my opinion It is driven by trying to maximise corporate investment devoid of a footballing ideology or any idea of how the two can work together with an understanding that they are intrinsically linked and mutually beneficial to one another. There is a lack of leadership, coordinated thinking and strategy regarding how the business and footballing operation is managed.
Big money signings and elaborate unveilings are all engineered to increase the marketability of the brand. Successful football Clubs cannot thrive from a few marquee signings and whilst they may temporarily increase revenue and sponsorship opportunities they will not fill the museum with trophies.
I admire Ole because I think he is trying his to introduce a footballing culture back into the Club. I think he is setting the vision and footballing strategy in a time when nobody can decide if we are a brand or football club.
I think we need a period of stability and to give Ole the opportunity to try and reintroduced a footballing culture back into the Club. I think he's done enough to be given more time and deserves our support.
18 Aug 2020 20:21:30
Funny Redman, just below you talked about how losing 3 semifinals in one year has never been done, like it's some massive failure. No mention of the fact that it's only the second time in 20 years that we even reached 3 semifinals in one season.
Yes at least reaching one of the finals would have been nice, but it was still an achievement, not a failure.
Lambasting the man for achieving something Jose, LVG and Moyes all failed to do, and even SAF failed to do most years, certainly fits my definition of "bashing".
Oh and you accused people of putting Ole on a pedestal, just for pointing out that he has done what people said at the beginning of the season would be acceptable. Oh, except he went one better and got third. While the team played some of the best football a Utd side has played in over a decade.
No-one is saying he is "The One" for utd's long-term future, just that he has done what was asked of him and more, and that he deserves another season or two to see whether he can learn from his mistakes this season and maybe become a good enough manager for the long term. We all agree he isn't that manager yet.
18 Aug 2020 20:55:47
DLIB
There is a lot of good points in your post.
However, you are relying upon Ole to introduce HIS idea of what is required, his vision and strategy. Have you considered you want to put a multi billion business in the hands of someone with experience of Cardiff and Molde. There are very few major businesses that would trust that level of decision to someone with so little relevant management, let alone Strategic experience.
He will start next season but I really don’t think we give him the keys to the whole direction of the club.
18 Aug 2020 20:55:47
DLIB
There is a lot of good points in your post.
However, you are relying upon Ole to introduce HIS idea of what is required, his vision and strategy. Have you considered you want to put a multi billion business in the hands of someone with experience of Cardiff and Molde. There are very few major businesses that would trust that level of decision to someone with so little relevant management, let alone Strategic experience.
He will start next season but I really don’t think we give him the keys to the whole direction of the club.
18 Aug 2020 22:11:21
Red Man - ideally the Club would have appointed a DOF to implement a footballing strategy and philosophy but the fact we still don't have one I can only assume the Club don't want one.
I think Ole is probably as good a choice as any as he was immersed in the culture of the Club during one of the most successful periods in its history and I think he understands what it takes to successful. Whether he can implement that culture remains to be seen but I think he's committed to the Club and in it for the long haul.
I'm not convinced the structure is there for a top coach to succeed who normally only stay at a Club for 2, 3 maybe 4 years!
Ole may be our best bet and I understand this is a scary thought for many.
He's stabilised the Club, achieved champions league football, he appears to be implementing a more sensible transfer strategy and has given several young players a chance to prove themselves. Like I've said summer recruitment will be vital.
19 Aug 2020 06:33:24
DLIB
I have said this before, a few times, but we can’t keep looking back at what was successful for SAF and hope it will bring the same success. SAF was a great leader, inspirational and got teams winning that when you looked at the players you wondered how. SAF used methods based on the 70’s and 80’s, carried it through because of his sheer force of will.
I think we will see more of the same this coming season. Hope I am wrong and we really compete all season not just in fits and starts but we will then find out if being nearly good enough is sufficient. I don’t wish Ole ill I hope he succeeds because my team succeeds but having seen similar situations with the likes of Sexton and Atkinson, having seen similar arguments when Moyes arrived my hopes are not high.
18 Aug 2020 22:27:50
DLIB, are you saying that Ole is responsible for our transfer strategy?
18 Aug 2020 23:22:00
Redman, what are your thoughts on Pirlo, Arteta, Zidane or even Pep as rookie managers for big clubs? Football is a business but it is a sport first and foremost, and it’s the sporting side where the dreams, legends and storylines are made. My point is that Ole has done pretty well this season and has us improved from last year and wouldn’t you LOVE to see a club legend become a successful manager? Imagine how much shinier that CL or league trophy would be being lifted by someone who loves the club, instead of someone there for their CV or a big payday. That’s what fans want - the storylines and drama that we may still be talking about in 50 years’ time.
I think the risk of our own rookie manager is worth it for that providing progress is evident, which is most definitely is.
18 Aug 2020 23:36:50
Juve have just appointed a manager with very little on this management cv .
Barcelona did with pep
Madrid with Zidane.
Both lvg and jose had very good cv's neither really worked out.
I honestly think if someone like poch had come into the club last summer, and we had just had the season we have people would be a lot less negative.
I think some have made their mind up that ole is the wrong man regardless of what happens.
Hence the ole has to get top 4 . Followed by that's not enough once he has.
19 Aug 2020 08:38:53
DLIB, likewise with your posts mate, always a good read. I think you're letting the romantic aspect of our history and who Ole is cloud everything. Of course the ethos of Man Utd was built on youth with Sir Matt and again with Fergie, but let's not forget when Sir Alex introduced the class of 92. He did so after we were champions for 2 years. We broke British transfer records to win the league and along a manager that was born to get to the top. He had a foundation of managerial success that got him the United job. Ole was given the job because he's a pleasant guy that scored a defining goal for us.
These are all the buzz words Ole uses. United D. N. A, the United way, everything to pull at the heart strings but the main thing I think about when I see our crest is "winners". We're the English league record holders, we win doubles and trebles. That's what's important.
If Ole isn't the man that can win us the league, then he's just wasting time. Iv seen some enough over the last 18 months so show me that he's out of his depth. He will always be a legend at Man Utd, nothing will change that. But working under Fergie doesn't make you Fergie.
As one of the biggest teams in football, playing in an incredibly competitive league, there should be no time for sentiment. Ole derseves to take the reigns next year, but vast improvements are needed because football won't wait for him to become a top manager.
19 Aug 2020 09:21:08
Madrid, Munich, Barcelona even the scouse . Big teams won everything huge amount of history .
And they embrace that, there is a madrid way and style of play same goes for Barcelona and most other top teams.
Working under cruyff doesn't make you cruyff but how many managers have followed his example?
Barcelona have set up an entire club culture.
19 Aug 2020 13:26:45
Alty Jim
My thoughts are they are more transient coaches than “Managersâ€. None will likely restructure the club or giving that holy grail, a cultural reboot. If they don’t succeed they will be moved on, there won’t be the emotion as displayed on here. If Juventus are third and win nothing next season I doubt they will say it is acceptable.
Zidane was successful with the GOAT Cristiano, Pep with Messi,
Arteta won something, I recall SAF saying how important it was to win something quickly, bought you time to do things, it’s a mistake Ole made in the FA Semi. Arsenal kept Wenger on beyond time, sentimental, so may like us give Arteta time beyond usual.
19 Aug 2020 14:29:42
You can add arteta and lampard to thd list . So that's chrlsea barce arsenal madrid juve that havd gone with msnagers that don't have a huge CV like say Jose's.
As for juventus coming third next season, well they are in a completely different situation to a team like arsenal Chelsea or united having won seria A for the last 9 times .
19 Aug 2020 17:25:09
Jred
Barca have gone with Koeman hardly inexperienced, would not choose him for us, but has far more on his CV than Ole.
As I said these teams appoint coaches rather than Managers and if they don’t achieve they are gone without the weeping that they were a good player. There is no chorus of give the, years to introduce a cultural reboot.