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21 Jul 2020 08:15:50
There has been some fierce debate since the Chelsea defeat but maybe some perspective is needed.

Only a couple of weeks ago Chelsea lost to West Ham and Sheffield Utd and looked anything like convincing in a narrow victory over Crystal Palace. They have their own problems in defence and with another Spanish goalkeeper coincidentally so they have not suddenly become world beaters again overnight.

Utd now need to show some resilience and mental strength. We look a team showing signs of fatigue and some parallels can be drawn to last season when Ole went on a magnificent run only for it to fall apart once we'd dragged ourselves back into contention. The same excuses were rolled out then. Injury and fatigue bore the blame but this time history cannot repeat itself.

We need to exhibit a steely reserve, to win our next two fixtures and complete a remarkable turn around. There will be no trophy or even celebration for finishing 4th. It will still represent a poor season where we have finished over 30 points behind the leaders but maybe the seeds of recovery have been sown over the last few weeks. A return to Europe's elite competition will see us welcome Europe's best back to Old Trafford and hopefully the extra revenue generated will be reinvested back into the playing squad.

As for next season expectations should be tempered. Any talk of a title challenge is dangerously premature and once again we'll be in a fight for a top 4 finish with the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Wolves etc

Progress has been made, the team is now capable of scoring more goals, is becoming more consistent, whilst the style and brand of football is slowly evolving. I think we've been treated to some fantastic, attacking football since the re start, scoring some memorable goals and perhaps we have seen the birth of our next academy superstar.

We've seen ourselves the difference that just one player can make to a team so with the right recruitment we do have cause for optimism. The prospect of seeing Rashford, Martial, Fernandes and Sancho not matter how unlikely is exciting and with Greenwood continuing to develop we have a core of good players capable of competing with the best.

We must now finish the job and look forwards not back. The Chelsea defeat is consigned to history and in some ways we have bigger business to take care of. It's a big week ahead for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and the direction of his Man Utd team.


1.) 21 Jul 2020 10:27:48
Nice to see there are still some people on the site with a modicum of common sense and knowledge. 👏👏.

2.) 21 Jul 2020 10:28:57
Sensible post. I think the issue is most of us have become entrenched in our views either pro or against the manager. Them the most recent results become the basis of either proving your opinion right or wrong.

The reality is the unless Ole massively improves them he isn't the right long term manager for us. Yet in the short term he has shipped out the right players, brought in players with the right mentality, he has given youth a chance, improved most players in the squad and given the club back some of its identity. As a result whoever takes over will take over a club and a side in much better shape than it was when Ole took over.

Whether this summer, next summer or beyond is the right time to replace Ole remains to be seen and until he is will remain a hypothetical opinion only.

My view is we have a young side that is benefitting from having a manger who trusts them, regardless of who we sign we are too far off of Liverpool and City who have sides at their peak currently to realistically catch them next season.

They say a squad peaks with an average age between 26-29. That is where Liverpool and City are now. Our average age is 23/ 24 so we need more experience before we hit our peak.

For me next season would be a success if we are comfortably 3rd with a much smaller gap between us and 1st, anything below a 10 point gap would be a great improvement. I think we need to win a cup either the Europa League this season or a cup next season. Winning breeds a winning mentality and with so many young players in the squad winning a cup would be a huge growth experience for them.

Onwards and upwards. We need to refocus on the next game, forget Leicester. Win at West Ham, and try and win by a good margin. That would show a good bounce back mentality and would go some way to maintaining confidence levels. While also putting us in the best possible place ahead of the final day showdown.

3.) 21 Jul 2020 10:58:29
Agreed. If Ole can get us back into the top 4, playing some good football, maybe Europa League as a bonus, you have to after he’s done a sterling job and deserves another transfer window to continue his project. The atmosphere around our club is chalk and cheese to Jose’s reign. I for one am not complaining - yes he makes a few mistakes, but he’s learning all the time.

4.) 21 Jul 2020 11:20:01
Top post DLIB.

5.) 21 Jul 2020 12:07:37
Top post and well said DLIB.

6.) 21 Jul 2020 12:52:37
Good post dlib. City have lost a host of league games this year and are 20 points worse off than last year and have just been outplayed by arsenal. Do we see mass hysteria? Sack pep? players not good enough? No we don't. If I had said after the Burnley defeat that with 2 league games to go CL qualification would be in our hands I would have been laughed off this site. We are looking a little fatigued which is why the team and the manager need all our support not relentless criticism for losing a game which wasn't in the grand scheme of things particularly important.

7.) 21 Jul 2020 13:31:30
our inability to finish teams off is one of the issues we had early in the season which has cost us points.

we have drew 11 games.

lost the 2nd least amount of games and have conceded the joint second least.

i think with a few more players, especially a right winger, and another central midfielder regardless if pogba stays or not you will see a difference.

8.) 21 Jul 2020 14:02:34
Good post DLIB.

But I remain unconvinced that Ole has what it takes to take us forward next season and beyond. Still too many question marks hang over him and what he has achieved so far. I do hope I am wrong.




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07 Mar 2021 12:09:49
Has anyone watched Pep's interview with Rio on BT?! Only a small insight but fascinating nevertheless.

I'm just going to be realistic and say we've got absolutely no chance of winning the league whilst he remains at City especially with Ole in charge and Woodward pulling the strings! There are levels in football and we are light years behind both on and off the pitch.

All he thinks about is winning. It consumes him and he has everything he needs to succeed. There are no embarrassing transfer pursuits, there is no drama or haggling, there are no excuses just a collection of exceptional professionals all working together for a common goal, the pursuit of excellence and to win as many titles as possible.

Pep is on the brink of building a new team even better than those before. I'd be amazed if City don't go on to win a few Champions League over the next few years.

How can we even compete with this kind of knowledge, expertise, ambition and professionalism whilst we have investment banker (s) in charge of making important footballing decisions their qualification for such a role being a physics degree from Bristol University and a manager who's only relevant top flight experience was relegation with Cardiff City.

When you really examine what we are up against its absolutely frightening!


1.) 07 Mar 2021 12:36:19
Liverpool managed to do it.

We can't feel sorry for ourselves just because city have the best in class at player, managerial and board level as well massive financial resources.

Common denominator between liverpool and city is that have as managers two of the best at this exact moment in time.

We got LVG and mourinho who were the best in the past, in lvgs case distant past.

Then our learnings from that period was that top mamagers don't work at this club and we need a playing legend to restore the united DNA.

I think we should follow liverpool and get the best managers for footballs current moment.

2.) 07 Mar 2021 12:49:07
Which is who?

3.) 07 Mar 2021 13:28:14
I agree with that DSG. We should be going after the coaches that are doing it right now. I was very surprised that we didn't go for Poch. But we have to learn our lesson and get the best in class. Nagelsmann would be my first choice.

4.) 07 Mar 2021 13:43:59
A few years ago on here I said City had a plan. United scoffed and called them noisy neighbours, City bought Aguero when we said there was no value in the market. Their owners want to win, don’t take dividends out, ours want top four and do take dividends and probably will whilst Ole trundles out to say we must be realistic in terms of spending.

We can’t change who owns the club, nor that Woodward, the investment banker who helped the owners buy the club, will be in charge.

However, the club needs to get past this misty eyed crush on a 99 playing hero and find a modern manager, not a mid table Moyes, not a has been LVG, not a driven cantankerous Mourinho, nor Cardiff’s cast off who relegated them. They need someone who will do exactly what Pep has done, structure, playing style, drive. We need rid of someone who says they are setting the same style as Busby and sends them out to defend, someone who asks his ex wrestler father for tactical advice.

We commented on here about the Southampton manager setting out a plan, what have we done? Talked DNA, reset’s, reboots, but that doesn’t define a winning style.

It is frightening DLIB, more so because so many are standing behind the ex Cardiff manager because he scored an emotional goal. The City fans will be laughing themselves stupid as we continue to implode, weepy eyed at having one of our own as manager.

I despair at the club with what they have done, there again they could make it worse, put us even further behind by extending Ole’s contract, then our journey to the dark side will be complete.

Now we are the big underdogs we might even win today, inconsistent on our roller coaster ride to oblivion.

5.) 07 Mar 2021 13:28:14
I agree with that DSG. We should be going after the coaches that are doing it right now. I was very surprised that we didn't go for Poch. But we have to learn our lesson and get the best in class. Nagelsmann would be my first choice.

6.) 07 Mar 2021 14:14:22
Is Nagelsmann the real deal or just flavour of the month. One thing for sure he has shocking dress sense, I still have nightmares about that jacket he wore.

{Ed077's Note - real deal I say

7.) 07 Mar 2021 14:23:21
Just watched the interview.

Its painfully clear how much better pep is than what we have.

Just listening to him speak you can see how driven he is, how articulately he can explain what he wants from players and how much more inspiring it would be to play under him than some of the more mediocre managers.

I'm ao jealous that we'll never have him and I don't think there's anyone else better or who I'd rather have manage us. Gutting that of all the prem clubs he chose City.

8.) 07 Mar 2021 14:23:45
@Redmam. Unfortunately it will take divine intervention for us to even have a chance of winning this game today. As much as I want us to I just can't see it. Maybe the players get inspired and pull off a miracle because if we have to depend on Ole and his so called tactics, we're doomed. If city scores first, it's going to be a long day.

9.) 07 Mar 2021 14:37:00
I certainly don’t think we should feel sorry for ourselves it’s a challenge but a challenge that becomes even more difficult when the entire Club lacks the expertise, knowledge, experience and more worryingly the appetite to compete.

Recent results against Sheffield United, Everton, WBA and Crystal Palace have only evidenced that any “progression” is either painfully slow or non existent. After two years in charge we still can’t break down the low press, we have absolutely no authority in possession and whilst results have marginally improved on last season most of our performances are turgid, lacking any cohesion or rhythm!

Our Champions League elimination was a catastrophe and was probably not given the scrutiny it deserved. The performance in Istanbul was beyond incompetent and to not be able to achieve a solitary point from our last two games was simply not good enough.

Ole has done a decent job in eliminating the toxicity that had engulfed the Club following Jose but his teams yo yo from good results to bad whilst the performances remain relatively similar meaning a bad run of form is always just around the corner.

I just think we’re just kidding ourselves if we think Ole can get this team to play anywhere near consistently enough to win the league especially when you consider what we’re up against!

No doubt he’ll keep his job if we finish in the top 4 which is no forgone conclusion. I fully expect Liverpool and Chelsea will both improve next season meaning our ambitions will not extend beyond another top 4 finish.

We can either tolerate mediocrity or fight against it.

10.) 07 Mar 2021 14:37:54

Underdogs often do well in these type of games. City know we play counterattack so will be wary if we go one nil up. If we get it to the last 15 at nil nil, City will be uneasy. Saying that City are so far ahead in the league they don’t need to win, so will be a bit more relaxed than us I suspect.

11.) 07 Mar 2021 15:44:58
I like Potter at Brighton. Seems bright and has experience abroad. On a limited budget he has forged a team who play good football.



01 Mar 2021 23:52:18
As the dust settles on another stalemate with one of our top 4 rivals I thought yesterday was actually a decent performance. Maybe it's because I had low expectations going into the game but I was very impressed with our work rate and pressing. I have been critical of our work rate off the ball and pressing under Ole but yesterday we were definitely braver, pushed further up the pitch and played on the front foot. The challenge in my opinion is to play in that manner every week. I'd like us to become an aggressive pressing team, to play on the front foot, put the opposition under pressure, don't let them breathe, to hunt the ball with hunger and win it back higher up the pitch where we can be so devastating in the transitions. We will never dominate the ball under Ole. We don't have the quality on the ball or even the patience. We are direct, like to get the ball forward quickly and this is why Fernandes tends to concede a lot of possession and perhaps why VdB hasn't had the impact we perhaps all excepted.

I view Utd as an aggressive running team. To hunt and suffocate the opposition high up the pitch and play in the transitions. This is when we are at our best.

I know many won't agree but I was encouraged by our performance yesterday. I thought we were relatively comfortable against a very dangerous and rejuvenated Chelsea team. I accept we didn't create much but I think that was due to a lack of quality in possession rather than the system or tactics. Bruno misplaced a few easy passes to set Rashford clear and Mctominay should have done better at the end. If we play with that intensity for the rest of the season we'll be ok.


1.) 02 Mar 2021 07:20:33
Yes DLIB, off the ball this type of intensity is really good.
But on the ball, we must show more ambition.

2.) 02 Mar 2021 12:02:05
I agree DLIB we were better than other games. I too liked the press and that we were comfortable. But with the ball were slow and we must show more ambition. But i think we were better than other games against big six.

3.) 02 Mar 2021 15:25:06
DLIB, I just thought it was another two hours of my life that I'd wasted watching Utd play crap football again.



16 Feb 2021 13:43:16
The biggest problem at Manchester United is undoubtedly the board, the incompetent investment bankers charged with running one of the most famous institutions in Sport.

Following the embarrassing pursuit of Sancho and then the desperate deadline day supermarket sweep across Europe many of us speculated that a title challenge was impossible and even a top 4 finish improbable.

The summer transfer window was yet another excruciating calamity where none of the top transfer targets were secured and the manager was sent into the season woefully unprepared with a rag tag bunch of summer acquisitions hastily assembled some not even ready for first team football.

Whilst I have sympathy for Ole and think he's done a decent job this season there must be questions about his style of play, coaching ability, team selection, in game management and favouritism. The Champions League capitulation still irks and the football has generally been turgid lacking any real cohesion, innovative or imagination.

As the season progresses I think we all expect to get dragged back into a dog fight for a top four finish and the expectation of adding any silverware is low.

Some argue that Ole is out of his depth, should never have been appointed and will never lead this team to success. Time will probably prove them right but in my opinion Ole has done a good job of rebuilding the squad, cleansing it of the perpetually injured, mediocre and re-establishing some harmony and togetherness following the toxicity of Jose Mourinho.

I think we are in for a very difficult and turbulent last few months of the season and Ole now finds himself in another battle to save his job. Ultimately Ole's legacy might just be leaving the Club in a better position than he found it.

I don't think our Club will ever be successful whilst Woodward and Co remain in charge and replacing Ole will not change that. How long before we complain about the next managers style of play, lack of experience or in game management whilst our owners continue to syphon money away from the Club allowing Woodward and Judge to saunter around Europe upsetting the elite and not delivering on their promises.


1.) 16 Feb 2021 14:33:53
I agree with most of that DLIB. I don't have any love for the owners or the board but we do spend money. I think a decent coach could have us matching City at this stage of the season.

Posters sound like abuse victims when worrying "what if the next manager is just as bad". That doesn't mean for one second that we should stick with a poor coach in Charge.

There's things I want to see as a football fan. I ultimately want to see us win the league, I want to see us winning cups, I want to see us challenging, I want the emotion of watching the last 10 games of the season dreaming we can win it. I want to see entertaining football.

Our current manager doesn't tick any of those boxes unfortunately.

Imagine a Manchester United manager sitting 6 points off the top of the table with 45 points to play for saying "We're not in the title race". Criminal.

The club has to do what's best for the club. Ole in charge is a waste of everybody's time.

2.) 16 Feb 2021 14:56:33
Great post DLIB.

I believe it's a combination of poor recruitment and average management.
While our team is strengthened with the acquisition of Bruno and Cavani, several recruits such as Maguire, Fred etc, aren't of United quality.

Our club should be having best in class recruitment department, but given the expenditure, the ratio of successful recruitment is poor.

I also believe this squad is capable of challenging for the title mainly because the clubs around us have serious injury troubles. Although I'm an Ole supporter, I acknowledge that he is not getting the best out of this squad under the current climate.

3.) 16 Feb 2021 15:05:28

sitting 6 points off the top of the table with 45 points to play for saying "We're not in the title race", just shows how defensive Ole is. He sticks to his trusted players just incase playing an untried / youthful player does not work or not having two defence minded midfielders opens up our slow centre backs. He is terrified of losing his dream job and because of his fear, he WILL probably lose his dream job.

4.) 16 Feb 2021 16:07:11
Agree jrred. Neither a ole in or out based on the guy, but good guys don't always succeed and imo it has a lot to do with his coaching staff. Phelan is defence minded and negative whilst carrick lacks experience in the role. His go to guy seems to be mckenna and now fletcher another good pro but lacking experience.
If we look at the ist team 11, we have a keeper who's confidense is shot but also on the decline. A back 4 where everything goes to the left because the whole team have no confidence in awb unless he is tackling because he is feared to go past the 1/ 2 way line and lack of discipline, awareness and pace at centre back with exception of bailly who is injury prone.
Midfield we have mctom, promising, fred full of energy but suspect and matic whose legs cannot last. Creatively pogba, who wants out allegedly, fernandes awesome but not a one man team and vdb who has been screwed over. Up front rashford who imo plays better on the left has been shipped to the right to accommodatemartial who cried on to be the striker he will never be and Cavani although top top striker is 34 and was brought in as cameo player. Greenwood has to bodyguard AWB if he gets a game but reduced game time this season for whatever reason.
The pundits all rave abought the brilliant bench: stop press so does my mrs but its the garden bench! @
We are not much further forward than lvg era which was eyebleeding stuff to watch and many cry at the board but as a club we have spent and big but not on the personel needed.
the next 3 weeks could define or have a major indication of where our season is going but it could kickstart by realeasing the defensive and negative playing style we currently have.

5.) 16 Feb 2021 16:10:59
Mumbles If you genuinely think our squad is comparable to Cities then your either delusional or drunk, don't be greed and pour me out a glass of what you're drinking.

6.) 16 Feb 2021 16:30:35
I never mentioned that we have a squad or manager on par with City. Neither do Liverpool, the squad anyway. And they won the Champions League and League because they have a manager that makes his team greater than the sum of their parts.

You think Ole is over achieving in his role after winning nothing. Nonsense.

I said that I think a competent coach could have us level with City this season. I stand by that.

And I'm drinking Lyons tea, no sugar, drop of milk, stirred to the left.

7.) 16 Feb 2021 16:58:45
I think you're right with that assumption jrred.

8.) 16 Feb 2021 17:02:30
Over the course of a season the strongest squad wins the league 98% of the time. City's second 11 is probably as good if not better than out first 11.

When looking around our current squad which players do you think might be remembered as a United great come the end of their career?

How many of those are at their peak now and how many are you basing that on them fulfilling their potential?

I would argue that the only ones other than Bruno are 23 or under. While it was fun to once shove his words down his throat, on the whole Hansen was right you don't win much with kids.

9.) 16 Feb 2021 17:10:38
I think our squad is comparable to City's, what isn't comparable is our mentality.

DDG v Ederson
AWB v Walker
Maguire v Stones
Lindelof v Laporte
Shaw v Zinchenko
McT v Rodri
Pogba v Foden
Bruno v De Bruye
Rashford v Sterling
Greenwood v Silva
Cavani v Aguero.

10.) 16 Feb 2021 17:34:37
Mumbles i generally agree with a lot of what you say but even with a good manager in charge this Utd squad is not as good as City's. They have really good players and backups for most positions except centre forward which they will surely address. probably by buying Haarland.

We are second because Chelsea and Liverpool have not played as well as they can and due to injuries especially in Liverpools case. We need at least four top quality players to even think about really competing against City.

11.) 16 Feb 2021 17:55:38
Grims, the comparision looks cool except Maguire/ Lindelof vs Stones/ Laporte/ Dias.

City's CB's are on a whole different level.

As you say mentality is a huge factor as well.

12.) 16 Feb 2021 17:57:30
Again Salford, I never said that we do have the same squad as City. I said "this season" a good coach could have had us challenging.

We play City in the league twice. The worst they can do to us is take 6 points from us. The other 36 league games we play have nothing to do with City. Us failing to beat West Brom has nothing to do with City. Our failings have nothing to do with City.

13.) 16 Feb 2021 17:58:24
Mumbles - I can’t deny we don’t spend money but it’s rarely invested wisely. I think this board has continually delivered players our managers didn’t want or even need and demonstrated incompetence in the market the like of which we have rarely seen for a so called elite Club.

I certainly don’t think we should be afraid of changing managers and I’m not scaremongering I’m just not convinced it’s the silver bullet some hope for. Until we have competent people at board room level making informed, reasoned, sensible decisions with the best interests of the team at the forefront of their mind I believe this dysfunctional cycle will keep repeating.

I see Ole as a decent manager doing a difficult job with one hand tied behind his back. In my opinion he plays safe, percentage football often lacking ambition and sophistication not unlike Moyes, Dyche, Allardyce, Southgate or even Mourinho. I’m not saying this style can’t be successful but it’s determined by the quality of the players rather than any tactical nous or innovation by the manager. There is nothing modern or exciting about our play and if we want to challenge the likes of Pep and Klopp I think we need new ideas and a more modern and innovative approach.

There were times under SAF when the approach was basic yet he often appointed new coaches and assistants to keep us relevant. Let’s not forget SAF was completely schooled by Pep and made to look like a dinosaur in two Champions League finals. In 2009 he left Tevez, Berbatov and Scholes on the bench. Like I said I think Ole has done well to restore some harmony following Mourinho and I think our current squad is probably as strong as it’s been since SAF retired. In my opinion I think we should wait until May and see where we finish. Despite the recent run of poor results and predominantly turgid football I don’t think we should sack a manager currently in second place and we need to wait until the end of the season and see where we finish.

14.) 16 Feb 2021 19:09:41
You judge and compare players based on current form and how they play now in a top managers system. They seem better in a proactive and well coached system and that's what a top manager does.
Was Fernandinho the world class holding before Pep arrived? I think at the time most people rated Matic higher.
Was Sterling a world class player before Pep? He was talented and had many similarities with Rashford but he wasnt a top player. He became a top player with the guidance of Pep in the training.
Were Stones-Otamendi Company (at his age and with his lack of pace) Delph Walker and Ederson a world class back 5? Would you see them and say wow?
Was Sane a world class player? He was a wonderkid a top talent and untested.
They had some good and some world class players and a very good squad but people make it like they had 11 world class players because they want to make a point and excuses.

15.) 17 Feb 2021 03:20:58
Our players are better then citys apart from our cbs the rest lf citys players aren't as good as ours.

We are where we are because of our coach and our cbs.

16.) 17 Feb 2021 10:00:12
Wow Singh, I'll have a pint of what you're drinking. City have Mahrez and Ferran Torres on the RW we have no one.

While are you suggesting we have better players than Fernandinho, Rodri, Gundogan and KDB in midfield, or that we have better forwards than Bernardo Silva, Sterling and Aguero?

City have a far better defence, as seen by them conceding less than half as many goals as us. Their midfield is far better, while they have forwards who are top class and in their prime.

Walker, Cancelo, Mendy and Zinchencko
Shaw, AWB, Telles and Williams

Dias, Stones, Laporte and Garcia
Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe

Fernadinho, Rodri, Gundogan and KDB
Fred, McTominay, Pogba and Bruno

Mahrez, Torres, Bernardo, Foden, Sterling and Agureo
Mata, James, Greenwood, Martial, Rashford and Cavani

Man for man City have better players.

17.) 17 Feb 2021 10:34:44
Shappy, you could argue that City's defence has conceded less goals but they have also had to defend fewer chances, the Premier League stats show how few attacks they have faced compared to other teams. This for me is down to the midfield who are better at retaining and winning back the ball.

18.) 17 Feb 2021 10:46:09
Have to agree with Shappy here, some of these comments are quite funny.

B. Silva, Mahrez, Torres all walk into our first 11 for the RW position.
Sterling is currently better than Rashford for LW.
Fernandinho, Rodri and Gundogan are streets ahead of McFred, and it's a case of take your pick from their centre backs. Maguire and Lindelof wouldn't make their bench. Ederson over DDG too.

From our 11 I'd take Shaw, perhaps AWB over Walker, perhaps Rashford, maybe Bruno depending what mood he's in, but KDB is probably the better of the two overall.

Best case scenario we have 4 players who get into a combined 11. City have a much better first 11 and squad.

19.) 17 Feb 2021 11:33:32
Not 1 city player would get into oles team. They want to play football.

20.) 17 Feb 2021 18:25:45
Ken you win for best posted reply although it is a tad unfair on Utd and Ole. Still funny though.

21.) 17 Feb 2021 18:52:09
Fernandinho, Rodri and Gundogan are streets ahead, really. Fernandinho needs a zimmerframe he is so slow, Gundogan has been at City of 5 years, but has only been any good for the last 6 weeks, the rest of the time he has been injured or sat on the bench, 45% of games played in 5 years is poor. Rhodri is just the non-scoring poor man's McSauce.

{Ed047's Note - Rhodri the poor mans McTominay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

22.) 17 Feb 2021 19:01:57
and Ederson over DDG, Ederson has a decent defence in front of him and has only made 2/ 3 of the saves that DDG makes. Just look at the number of times he has made an error that leads to a goal, Ederson is averaging double DDG.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣🤣🤣



27 Dec 2020 21:46:04
I have just watched Spurs try to defend a 1-0 lead from the very first minute against Wolves. Jose is still the ultimate pragmatist. Can he still win the top honours playing that way only time will tell but it's a tough watch if you don't get the right result.

Wolves have some very pacy, tricky, mobile forwards with the potential to cause our defence all kinds of problems on Tuesday night. They can lack a cutting edge at times but I think they will be very dangerous opponents. If we have any ambition of challenging Liverpool then it's imperative that we start to win these kind of games especially after the disappointment of Saturday's late equaliser.

Our away has been brilliant so in some regards our next two home games against Wolves and Villa could be very difficult fixtures. Games we should win but we'll get punished if we are complacent and not at our best. The next two games might just give us a better indication of how our season may pan out. Win them both and its sets up a mouthwatering fixture against Liverpool in mid January or has the Leicester equaliser took the wind out of our sails and we'll see yet another bad run just as we've played our way back into contention.


1.) 27 Dec 2020 21:57:53
It was painful seeing spurs play that dour dlib I kinda doubt that will go down well with spurs fans .
Netto, podence and traore looked a handful and villa and wolves will be tricky games, we are better attacking than defending, so I hope we aim to outscore them.

2.) 27 Dec 2020 22:07:30
Spurs are beyond doubt the most negative team in the EPL .

3.) 27 Dec 2020 22:21:18
Neto looks absolute quality. The work ethic he put into that game was ridiculous. Wouldn’t mind getting him at Utd.

4.) 27 Dec 2020 22:47:44
I've been really impressed with Pedro Neto, great little player and only 20 years old.

He was the reason Wolves were happy to sell Jota (whose be fantastic at Liverpool) . But Neto and Podance had pushed him out of the starting line up before he left for Liverpool.

While I'd love to see Dan James become a top player. The reality is that he doesn't look like he is going to make it at the level we need sadly. Neto would be a great option in my opinion.

We tend to do okay with Portuguese players as well.

Hard working, clever, creative and a good shot. We will need to keep him quite if we want to get a result against Wolves.

I won't comment on Jose and his style. I'd imagine everyone is well aware of how I feel about it.

5.) 27 Dec 2020 23:23:28
Was just thinking Neto could be a great option to push Rashford at LW. We need a natural L and RW as what we have at the moment are very good players playing slightly out of position in those rolls.

6.) 28 Dec 2020 10:36:49
I’ve really enjoyed watching Podence and Neto this season and have both in my Fantasy team.

Podence reminds me so much of Mata. He’s a neat little player, not the quickest but he works his socks off and covers so much ground.

Neto for me has been one of the best players of the season. He’s a grafter and has the quality to back it up. I’d love to see him in a United shirt. He’d be perfect for the gaping hole we have at RW.

7.) 28 Dec 2020 12:36:53
That match sums up perfectly why Jose is not still at Utd.

8.) 28 Dec 2020 17:01:01
Podence is a very tricky little player, I've enjoyed watching him.



13 Dec 2020 09:49:53
I don't think it really matters anymore whether your Ole in or Ole out his fate will ultimately be determined by our results and performances.

Ole will not get the sack whilst he has a chance of getting top 4 and the fact we have dropped down to the Europa League provides him with yet another opportunity which probably means we are stuck with him until at least February.

The board sets the objectives and drives the standards and I think we must question the ambition of a Club that is seemingly content to finish within the top 4 and make up the numbers.

I think this mindset engulfs the entire Club and ultimately influences the attitude of both the players and the manager to the extent where they actually think they are doing ok if they are within reach of the top 4 regardless of how far off the top they may fall. This may explain some of the inconsistency as when expectations are lowered some of the hunger and desire is inevitably taken from the team.

Looking forward if we can beat Sheffield Utd and Leeds in our next two fixtures that would represent 6 wins and a draw from our last 7 league games. That would probably have us within a few points off the top at Christmas. I have no idea where we will finish but in recent seasons we've been no where near the top at this stage.

The City game is over and it must now be followed up by victories against Sheffield Utd and Leeds for it to be a valuable point.

Both Chelsea and City have come to Old Trafford this season with a more pragmatic attitude, determined not to be caught on the counter. Both teams have showed us a lot of respect and actually changed the way they played, stifled their attacking instincts and were seemingly happy to go away with 0-0 draws. They made it difficult and chances were few and far between in both games. Whilst Ole has been accused of being negative both Lampard and Pep also contributed in two largely uninspiring, cagey affairs.

I think whatever side of the fence you sit on in relation to Ole we really need our owners and decision makers to show more ambition and leadership if we are serious about competing at the top once again.

In my opinion our primary focus should remain on the ownership and decision makers at the Club to demonstrate more ambition, robust leadership and to recruit a panel of experts on the football side of the business in order to drive standards, provide the Club with focus, direction and a clear plan for future success.

Ole may be out of his depth, but for a Club run by investment bankers he is delivering what they want and meeting expectations for now. Perhaps that is the biggest problem.


1.) 13 Dec 2020 10:47:58
I think it's a weird season this year, and because of everything effecting it I think teams will be much more closely packed than they have in previous seasons. The calendar impacts those playing in Europe far more than those not.

As such I really wouldn't be surprised if come the start of April that there might only be a few points separating 10th place and 4th place. With maybe as many as 7 teams still able to finish in the UCL places depending on the run in.

If we are going to wait until failure to get UCL places is confirmed we will likely have to wait until end of April/ start of May.

Win our game in hand and we could be as high as 3rd depending on other results this weekend.

Personally I think the solution to this season is splitting the squad in two, having one for the league and one for the cups and leave it at that. Squad players and youth players in the cups, and if we get knocked out early in all of them then so be it.

We don't have a great squad and in a far from ideal season we need pragmatism not idealistic dreams of what might be.

Focus on the league, we have a good enough first 11 to get maybe even get second place looking at how teams like City are playing at the moment. However, if we try to spread ourselves too thinly then we stand a very real chance of ending up with nothing.

2.) 13 Dec 2020 14:23:00

If you read my previous posts on this, the owners are not making day to day decisions but they will provide direction for the clubs board, what their priorities are seen as and then the boards get on with it.

I have always believed the direction set is more financial rather than football. The name and the glory from years under SAF have been well utilised to get deals and sponsors, however now that must be dwindling. Games like yesterday will not attract viewers, not competing at the top will cause issues. The dividends seem to be particularly important, if the financial numbers are very poor next year it will be harder to justify dividends and that may start a change in direction.

The aims do not seem to be the same as Liverpool or City’s. The continuing support of a vastly inferior manager, who accepted the transfers he received, is not commensurate with a club that is ambitious to get to the top. However, it is a situation that if we make top 4 with a famous ex player the money may keep coming in.




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06 Mar 2021 12:03:51
Good post Shap’s!

Redseven - I’m not so sure mate Spurs built themselves a solid reputation by just consistently finishing in the top 4 under Potch. Would they have built that fantastic new stadium if they had been finishing mid table so commercially it can be considered a success for some Clubs but surely this can never be tolerated at Man Utd.

Anyway I think the evidence is staring us in the face. The football is no better, results remain inconsistent Ole has always been nearer the sack than turning us into a decent outfit. In my opinion we’ve been dragged back into a dog fight for top 4 and following our Champions League capitulation I couldn’t say with any confidence that we won’t throw it away. Having said that what does finishing in the top 4 actually mean for us fans? We didn’t even get out of the group stage this season and the board have already said they’ll be no money available for transfers this summer. It probably safeguards revenue and sponsorship for the Club but it doesn’t mean we’ll be able to compete next year.

I’m depressed we’re not going anywhere quick and if the best we can look forward to is Champions League football whilst playing safe, percentage football to achieve it watching Liverpool and City winning the major honours then welcome to purgatory, welcome to the post SAF apocalypse, welcome to Manchester United.




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03 Sep 2020 12:36:10
Was Donny VDB not also touted as a Pogba replacement?




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25 Aug 2020 19:43:57
Well Pep can't win the Champions League without him!

I'd be amazed if he left Barcelona but at 33 maybe now is the time for a new challenge! I hope he moves would love to see him at another Club.




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22 Aug 2020 21:05:00
Gifting ageing players big long term contracts is a recipe for disaster.

He might be worth a gamble on loan or a rolling one year contract but otherwise we should steer well clear in my opinion. His form hasn't been anywhere near good enough to warrant signing him on a long term deal and as he ages it's unlikely to improve. A move like this would reek of desperation and a return to the flawed transfer strategy of the past. I'd include Douglas Costa in that bracket and we must resist the temptation to get lured into these types of deals.




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04 Aug 2020 14:15:53
With Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe perpetually injured maybe there is still a place for Smalling at Old Trafford. If Utd don't intend to sign another CB this summer then keeping Smalling might not be such a bad idea.

Could he make a decent partner for Maguire? He's certainly stronger, quicker and better in the air than Lindelof, watching him play out from the back however, especially under pressure might need to come with a health warning!





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08 Mar 2021 13:36:50
Ken - I’ve said it a thousand times but against the lesser teams there is definitely a significant drop off in our energy, hunger and desire.

This Utd team can press, it can play on the front foot. We did it brilliantly against City yesterday and it led to the early penalty. We did it in the first half against Chelsea and we should have had another penalty. We created some good opportunities against Chelsea and were a bit sloppy with the final pass on occasions but the opportunities were there.

I think it was Klopp who said his pressing was better than any No10 and I’d just like to see Utd do it more often. If we can press higher up the pitch and win the ball back it also negates the lack of quality in the midfield pivot. Win the ball back then play it quickly into Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood etc. They all thrive on quick ball and being able to isolate defenders and play 1v1. We are not the most assured team in possession and really struggle to keep the ball on occasions thus sustain attacks.
A high press offers a different solution to this problem allowing us to dominate the game and sustain attacks by pining the opposition in their own half.

A lack of pace at CB is a problem but if the press is effective it’s very hard to play accurate long balls over the top if there is pressure on the ball.

I think if Ole wants to take this team to the next level then this is an area we can definitely improve.

On a final note there has been some criticism of Fred and his wayward passing which I agree with but we really miss his energy and tenacity when he doesn’t play. I’ve not done the stats (maybe Shappy can help) but I bet our record is pretty impressive when Fred and Mctominay start together in the midfield pivot. If we pressed more aggressively which suits their game anyway it might just help with their lack of creativity.




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07 Mar 2021 14:37:00
I certainly don’t think we should feel sorry for ourselves it’s a challenge but a challenge that becomes even more difficult when the entire Club lacks the expertise, knowledge, experience and more worryingly the appetite to compete.

Recent results against Sheffield United, Everton, WBA and Crystal Palace have only evidenced that any “progression” is either painfully slow or non existent. After two years in charge we still can’t break down the low press, we have absolutely no authority in possession and whilst results have marginally improved on last season most of our performances are turgid, lacking any cohesion or rhythm!

Our Champions League elimination was a catastrophe and was probably not given the scrutiny it deserved. The performance in Istanbul was beyond incompetent and to not be able to achieve a solitary point from our last two games was simply not good enough.

Ole has done a decent job in eliminating the toxicity that had engulfed the Club following Jose but his teams yo yo from good results to bad whilst the performances remain relatively similar meaning a bad run of form is always just around the corner.

I just think we’re just kidding ourselves if we think Ole can get this team to play anywhere near consistently enough to win the league especially when you consider what we’re up against!

No doubt he’ll keep his job if we finish in the top 4 which is no forgone conclusion. I fully expect Liverpool and Chelsea will both improve next season meaning our ambitions will not extend beyond another top 4 finish.

We can either tolerate mediocrity or fight against it.




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04 Mar 2021 22:11:43
I think Ole made a massive mistake with his ill conceived comments when we sat top of the league. To pour cold water on a title challenge when we sat top of the pile for the first time in almost a decade demonstrated a lack of experience and it’s wasn’t what the fans or even the players needed to hear.

I think Ole has fallen into the trap of mirroring the Clubs ambitions of a top 4 finish and dampening expectations. If we don’t strive for the top we’ll never get there and the quality of football and champions league capitulation did not represent progress.

Ole must understand that whilst the board may tolerate mediocrity and accept top 4 finishes the fans will not tolerate a Club seemingly content to just make up the numbers and finishing in the top 4 will never be regarded as a success at this Club.

Ole must mirror the expectations of the fans not the board and drive the standards of the Club. It’s acceptable to fall short but sacrilege to not even try.

Fans aren’t stupid, we have eyes, we may not possess a UEFA Pro licence but most of us have been watching football all our lives and we understand and appreciate what good football looks like.

Ole’s done a decent job but if he thinks second place is good enough for our Club whilst playing percentage football then he’s sorely mistaken!




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04 Mar 2021 11:14:58
Welcome to purgatory!

We are Club run by investment bankers with zero football knowledge or expertise. The ambition of the Club extends no further than a top 4 finish in order to secure revenue streams and sponsorship opportunities. Expectations are dampened at every opportunity and incompetence in the transfer market means we are essentially a top 4 yo yo Club. We merely exists, we have no purpose or drive to improve and the Club has stagnated. The stench of mediocrity, incompetence and decay now permeates every aspect of the Club from the players, to the manager, the CEO, the owners, even the stadium and the training facilities. A Club once renowned for excellence is now synonymous with mediocrity and apathy.

Ole’s comments after we went top of the league were ill conceived and not befitting of a manager in charge of one of the biggest Clubs in the world. He dampened expectations, possibly to take pressure away from the players but most of them need a fire igniting in their soul and must understand that inconsistency and mediocrity is not tolerated at a Club like Manchester United.

When Jose lectured us about football heritage following Champions League surrender to Seville in what was one of the most cowardly and uninspiring games ever to be played at the Theatre of Dreams the expectations of this once great Club were laid bare. Ole’s comments were equally as worrying and merely represent a Club severely lacking leadership, identity, direction and ambition.

Ole’s job will no doubt be safe if he scrapes another top 4 finish and he is already dampening expectations, preparing us for yet another summer transfer window of excruciating incompetence as the investment bankers saunter around Europe on urgent transfer business in their cheap suits and economic degree from Bristol University. At least this year they’ll have an excuse for their incompetence, C.V. but we’re not fooled we’ve seen it all before.

Sadly Ole is toeing the party line, dampening expectations and preparing us for yet more mediocrity. He’s become another representation of the Club, believing a top 4 finish is good enough, kicking the good fight down the road. Regardless of league position, performances such as Sheffield United, WBA and Crystal Palace should not be accepted and do not represent progression. Champions League capitulation is not acceptable and a top 4 finish should be no hiding place for mediocrity. Sadly Ed Woodward and Co think differently and will only act when precious revenue and sponsorship opportunities are at risk.

Welcome to purgatory!




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22 Feb 2021 14:09:12
Shappy you obviously have more confidence than me in our inept negotiators/ investment bankers if you think we’re capable of doing any decent business this summer! I fully expect yet another excruciating calamity.