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03 Jul 2020 11:13:57
Maybe something to consider!

If Ole was a more established manager with a good CV and experience of building a title winning side would we be satisfied with our current position, rebuild and willing to afford the manager more time?

Don't get me wrong I appreciate its a loaded question to suit my own narrative but if we strip everything back to the basics are there genuine signs of progress and optimism for the future?

Whilst someone like Poch obviously has more experience than Ole we mustn't forget that he hasn't won any major honours. If Poch had replaced Jose and this was now his side playing the kind of football we are seeing would we be happy with the job and rebuild he was doing?

Sometimes looking at things from a different perspective can help analyse a situation with fresh eyes.


1.) 03 Jul 2020 11:41:59

Yes I think we would, Ole has his limitations but he also has some very good qualities and seemingly a plan and an understanding of how the fans want the team to play. He’s doing a decent job in my opinion, if we qualify for the CL and improve the squad more and continue to play this style of football and get results against the top teams (as Ole has done throughout his time with us) I think a lot of the doubters will have no choice but to change their minds.

2.) 03 Jul 2020 12:12:14
I think things are really on the up for us. There will be blips and setbacks. I said last week we were fortunate against Norwich and it showed our squad depth is poor. We’ve the chance to falter unexpectedly when not playing our best XI which clearly looks to be Matic-Pogba-Bruno midfield with Greenwood at RW.

Easy to see the link to Grealish as our other midfielders don’t have that level of creativity and we need squad depth for a 60 game season.

Obviously Sancho would be a world class RW buy. Wouldn’t impact Greenwood’s as massively as some think as Greenwood needs to learn all 3 forward positions and will be excellent cover. I think within 2 years he would become the first choice centre forward as he will quickly outshine Martial.

DM needs cover for Matic. And clearly we are short on quality still at CB. How McTominay will develop into either role is interesting.

Smalling has extended his loan, Rojos looks out the door, Tuanzebe looks another Jones as permanently injured and we may be happy to loan Bailly out. Hopefully that means opportunities for Mengi though wouldn’t be surprised to see us in the market for a CB.

We all know we are a few players short and miles behind Liverpool and City but at least we are pointed in the right direction now.

I’ll always be fearful of the Woodward effect on screwing up transfers and we will never have a bottomless pit of money under the Glazers. The latter part of the season has given us all plenty to be positive about regardless how the season ends.

With 6 games to go in the league we are within sight of what realistic targets for 1920 were:
Top 4 finish
League Cup semi
FA Cup semi
Europa League quarters (assuming we don’t lose a 5 goal advantage in second leg)

Good chance of winning silverware this year. Great chance next year.

3.) 03 Jul 2020 13:14:00
We had two managers with proven track records and neither of them showed any signs of taking the club forwards (at least not in the direction the club should be heading) . I’m still not convinced that Ole has what it takes to get us back to the top, but recognize that it’s a monumental task that ‘better’ managers have already failed. The one thing Ole has going for him is that the signings we’ve made under him (with the exception of Dan James, perhaps) have all settled into the team quickly and performed very well in their first season (first 6 months in Bruno’s case) . That Ole seems to have a good eye for signings and seems keen to set up in a way that’s in keeping with the United way is probably why some fans (myself included) are willing to afford him a little slack in spite of our inconsistency and league position. If we’re still battling for fourth place this time next season however (especially if we spend heavily again this summer), I expect patience will start to wear thin.

4.) 03 Jul 2020 13:37:39
Jose had us 2nd redseven. We then bought him midfielder he didn't even want and that was it, while our rivals broke the world record for a GK and CB. But that's for another thread.

We've 52 points this year. Most we can finish with is 70 which I would assume will get us into the top 4. Last season we finished with 66 points which included a manager who lost his job in December (which Ole had less points at the stage Jose was sacked this season) .

The football is better at times, best we've played actually since Fergie in a hand full of games. But we've had some woeful performances too.

Some of youtalk like Ole is starting a revolution. But if we finish with the same points tally as last year after spending £220 million pounds and finish below Leiescter or Wolves then the man shouldn't get another season because we thumped Norwich twice.

Iv been one of the managers harshest critics but if we get Champions League next year my mouth will have been shut.

The idea that we keep him on because we're moving in the right direction after 18 months of the same results and points tally is like trying to heat the bath with a hairdryer.

I'd love nothing more for us to finish 3rd and go again in the summer transfer market. Close the gap and be ready to challenge if City or Liverpool burn out in a season or two time.

But the red carpet should not be rolled out for the manager of Man Utd if he can't achieve targets set out. If we fail in the league and the Europa then he doesn't deserve to carry on next season.

5.) 03 Jul 2020 15:06:26
Iv been one of the managers harshest critics but if we get Champions League next year my mouth will have been shut
Couple of wins and Leicester stay on a losing streak.

6.) 03 Jul 2020 15:35:11
Yes Jred, he needs to out perform the managers above him in my opinion if he should stay in the job.

Champions league will help us progress. Spending 200 odd million quid and ending up in the Europa league next year after improving our points tally by 1 or 2 shouldn't be rewarded.

7.) 03 Jul 2020 16:55:42
Mumbles how do you judge if he is out performing a manager.
Given they have different squads, different circumstances etc .

I wouldn't get 2 caught up in the price of a player, ole has had to move as many out as he has brought in . Lukaku sanchez fellaini for example, while decent are more jose type players than ole.

8.) 03 Jul 2020 18:59:17
The club is on a much better place since OGS came in (off field decisions at board level aside) and if we get CL football I can't see any other decision but he stays on for another season and ghe club back him (whatever amount that will be who knows) .
For the future years I do trust him to make signings that make sense to a future direction and if replaced a future manager would want so in this case sticking with him through the current crisis does not worry me. I hope his in game management improves, whether his own judgement, Carrick having more influence or another assistant coming in similar to how Sir Alex did.
Let's keep positive for remainder of this season.

9.) 03 Jul 2020 19:58:28
What should United’s targets be?
Realistically we were unlikely to bridge a 32pt gap to overhaul City and Liverpool to be champions. A mere 6 pt improvement though would have got Top 4.

Top 4 looks very possible now.

We’ve lost one semi to the eventual winners of the League Cup. We are in the FA Cup semi and practically the Europa Quarter Finals.

United’s minimum aim, as I think all big clubs should be, is to win silverware every season. Winning something AND top 4 finish is a great season.

Ole should be judged at the end of the season.

I think he deserves some credit though for turning things around in the latter half of his first full season. I know Bruno will rightly get lots of plaudits there but need to give the guy who bought him a shout too.

I think Ole’s buys so far have improved the first team and that gives me great confidence in the future.

Appreciate that’s come at a net spend of £128m but there’s been plenty of years where we have invested heavily and gone backwards too!

10.) 04 Jul 2020 10:32:03
The elephant in the room, the thing, the underlying theme is that ultimately Ole doesn’t have, nor has displayed the nous, the ability of a top manager and lacks credibility. His in game management has been woeful in most games. We are fighting for top four and I saw above, winning something and finishing top four is a “great” season, no it is a good season. Great is winning the league.

If we get top four and even win something the elephant in the room will still be there. Ole still lacks when it comes to in game management and tactical awareness. Will top players respect him if it continues? Will they be content to battle for top four if they don’t believe Ole can win the league?

My concern remains that next season will continue as is, battling for top four because the manager doesn’t have the know how to take us higher, no matter who we buy. I suspect if we get top four Ole will be retained, because the amateurs, as Ed calls them, want to be proved right and will call it an improvement. It would be an improvement but there is also a bigger picture. Until there is a big improvement in Ole’s management, we will continue as is. I have seen it before Ron Atkinson, Dave Sexton and they had more experience than Ole.



02 Jul 2020 11:05:51
There has been some great debate recently and with both Chelsea and Leicester dropping points I think we are justified in feeling quietly optimistic about the rest of the season.

I think our remaining fixtures will be more a test of our temperament than our ability.

I think we have seen a tendency from some Utd players to become complacent and let their standards drop against perceived so called lower opposition.

I think we've seen examples of bad attitudes and a general feeling amongst some of the squad that they can treat such games as a day off or rest. Games which they don't have to work as hard or put in as much effort as against some of the bigger teams. Ole must guard against such complacency which I believe has plagued our squad for a number of years!

I think we now have the ability to break down stubborn defences but we won't play swashbuckling football every game. There will be times when we will have to be patient, believe in our ability and trust that we will eventually wear down the opposition.

I think the remaining fixtures will also be more of a test for our defence than our attack. Whilst our defence is much improved we are still vulnerable to individual mistakes and lapses in concentration. We can't afford to offer teams encouragement by giving away sloppy goals and giving them something to hold onto.

I think we saw Chelsea complacently throw away three points last night simply by not defending properly.

I think we are about to find out a lot about our team over the next few weeks. Our form is good, our fixtures are favourable and perhaps the next process of our development is to now light a fire in the players belly and to forge a relentless hunger and desire to win every game. Once we have a team with ability and desire then maybe we can start thinking about competing for the top honours once again!


1.) 02 Jul 2020 12:06:50
Chelseas defending from open play and set pieces was really poor last night.

2.) 02 Jul 2020 12:24:37

I think i agree with you 😅.

3.) 02 Jul 2020 13:04:29
Pogba, bruno, rashford, martial and greenwood all playing in the same team gives fans rightful confidence.

We finally are able to attack down both sides of a football pitch for the first time in years. We finally have two midfielders who are not petrified of passing the ball forwards. These were the fundamental issues that were holding us back as an attack. Long may it continue.

4.) 02 Jul 2020 13:50:52
Unruly, I see what you did there, I think ;)

5.) 02 Jul 2020 14:27:08
I think I do as well 🤣👏👏👏.

6.) 02 Jul 2020 15:54:21
Iv been impressed with our two league wins. Played some of the better football seen in awhile. Regardless of what has happened over the last 18 months, this is the managers audition. If he can keep the level of performances up and get us a top 4 finish, he's earned the right to be our manager next season.

There's blood in the water. Let's see what they're made of because if we want to move up to the next level, a lot of people need to step up.

7.) 02 Jul 2020 21:33:43
What if we keep this level of performance but don't get top 4.

8.) 02 Jul 2020 22:18:18
Jred, in between insulting people on the live chat, you asked a lot of hypothetical scenarios were Ole wins all our remaining games and could still possibly finish 5th. Well the good news is our destiny is solely in our hands. We know exactly what we have to do to finish 4th.

If the minimum target that our previous managers were held to can not be achieved this year, then he needs to go.

I'v been impressed with some of the football but as Manchester United manager he needs to be able to reach targets set out. Finishes 4th he earns the right to be our manager next year. Finish 5th and fail in the Europa, then he should walk.

9.) 02 Jul 2020 22:43:53
Mumbles we could win all our remaining games and finish 5th on goal difference . And you would sack him
Or we could lose 5 win 1 and finish 4th and we don't sack him?
Solely on 4th, no consideration to the direction the teamis going, improvement made over the season . No analysis why we finished 4th, the problems encountered and possibly overcome . A lot of variables over a season .
Just 4 ok 5th sacked?
If we win our next 6 games we will be on a 21 game unbeating run and you would sack him .
Personally I think we are a team moving in the right direction i will be amazed if ole is sacked this summer.

10.) 02 Jul 2020 22:52:20
I think its a good question and its a fair question to ask.
If we keep up this level of performance it will a miracle if we don't finish in a cl spot.
But i think if we keep it up and do finish 5th my gut says it would be harsh to fire him. The caveat being our EL performance. If that is poor after not securing a cl spot through the league then i would again doubt his ability to fire up this squad enough when it matters.
I think we have the best team in the el if all are fit and hold their form in the league there should be no excuses for not winning it.
Unfortunatly they will be 1 leg games which in theory should help the inferior teams.
Its a good question and a tough one to answer as its not clear cut.
As it stands now and i know how quickly it can change but i'd say 3rd is very attainable. Ole has them bang at it and that has to be said.
Leicester are in a rut and chelsea and wolves have to play each other.
The team is in good form and have improved dramatically it is like a C change since bruno signed.
Improvement is good but he needs to maintain it when it matters. We have a great set of fixtures and 2 good cup opportunities if they fail at all 3 he should still be fired imo. Its in his own hands but he can't afford to fall at all 3 of the final hurdles imo.
Lets not forget he is also on the cusp of a great season 3rd el and fa cup champs which would make for a fantastic second half of the season and the first half will be long forgotten.
Ole opportunity knocks yet again.

11.) 02 Jul 2020 23:02:57
21 games unbeaten in all comps and still finishes 5th would emphasise what a poor job he did in the early part of the season. He has the tendency to go on long sustained runs like this.

9 wins gets and up to 4th in table gets him the job. We fall apart after that scrapping a hand full of wins in the last quarter of the season. We're hit and miss at the start of this season, then we win 3 games in 14 giving Ole the worst win percentage of any manager in 70 years. We then go unbeaten for 15 games and here we are.

He was gifted the job. He could have easily been sacked twice already with long sustained runs being poor.

My point is, the manager needs to achieve what is set out. If he can't capitalise on the two above us faltering then he's not up for it.

You may see great improvement from Ole. While I see the potential of what could be with a proper manager.

12.) 02 Jul 2020 23:24:11
Top post Ken.

13.) 03 Jul 2020 08:22:29
we have had "proper managers" and that turned out great didn't it.

i hope when ole has won us the title all you that put his head on the chopping board are still posting regular.

14.) 03 Jul 2020 08:54:31
Bolger, if Ole wins us the league, I'll be on cloud 9. I won't give two shiny sh*ts about putting my head on a chopping block. This isn't and has never been about "I told you so".

If Ole wins the league then we're all happy. But if you can't see why a large portion of the fans want to see more from him, then you have your head in the sand.

15.) 03 Jul 2020 09:45:35
But you need to assess why we had a poor a run and and also if them issues have been rectified.
If chelsea had of had a really poor season I we where sitting in 4th would that mean ole had done a better job?
Of course not, ole will of had certain targets but it won't be as simple as 4th or out . You don't judge performance as simple as that.
Some don't like it, a few haven't been able to see it but the team is definitely moving in the right direction. The average age of the team is lowered, the style of play has vastly improved the philosophy has changed .
All that takes time, that an other factors will be accounted for .
I will be amazed if ole is sacked this summer.
Jose and lvg both got sacked as the team had stopped moving forward, as well as other things, style of play etc .
I think jose and his cv will get sacked at spurs before ole at united.

16.) 03 Jul 2020 10:01:54
I agree we had a poor start to the season but we have suffered badly from injuries to key players and hopefully we are now seeing what Ole is capable of now he has a fully fit squad to choose from. I also accept that Ole can't hide behind the injury excuse forever but it must be taking into consideration when trying to assess our progress.

I think Ole is doing a good job at rebuilding the team which unfortunately takes time.

Since Ole took over we've lost Lukaku, Sanchez, Herrera, Fellaini, Smalling, Young and Rojo all important first team players under Jose and other managers. Players like Jones, Bailly, Lingard and Mata are now on the periphery of the team and some may not even be at the Club next season.

It's difficult to replace so many players in a short space of time and we need to show some patience and understanding. I think Ole deserves credit just for getting rid of Fellaini and realising players like Smalling and Jones will not take us to the next level.

The recruitment under Ole has been excellent and in my opinion he deserves more time to continue the rebuild despite how this season finishes. I genuinely believe that progress is being made and the foundations of a very good team are being laid.

Ole had a big job on his hands cleansing the squad of the mercenaries and mediocre and whilst he still has a lot of work to do the signs of progress are there if you dare to look hard enough.

Let's get behind the team for the rest of the season and see what happens. It's exciting that we still have a lot to play for and I bet everyone is looking forward to our game on Saturday which is actually a sign of progress in itself.

I'm not suggesting other posters don't make honest and valid points and in many ways I share their concerns but after several years of slow, ponderous turgid football I actually feel excited by watching Utd again and can't wait for our games. Maybe real progress is made in the baby steps and the fact we have a team capable of playing some decent stuff might have to suffice for the time being.

17.) 03 Jul 2020 10:28:58
Dlib good post that pal.

18.) 03 Jul 2020 13:59:50
Jred would you be amazed if he was fired if he fails to get top 4 or win a cup.
Personally i wouldn't be surprised.

19.) 03 Jul 2020 15:08:53
I will be amazed if he gets sacked this summer .



07 Jun 2020 11:12:14
Has anyone got any information about the training game that took place yesterday afternoon at Old Trafford?

Team line ups? Formations? Final score? Goal scorers etc?


1.) 07 Jun 2020 11:22:31
team a goals= pogba, rashford x 3
team b goals= bruno x 2, martial, mctom

team a assist= pogba x 2, matic, tfm
team b assist= bryno x 2, mata. martial.

2.) 07 Jun 2020 12:39:07
Apparently scorers are incorrect only confirmed scorer so far was Shaw with 2.

3.) 07 Jun 2020 13:09:05
Ok thank you!

I know it's hardly important and no meaningful conclusions can be drawn just curious that's all.

4.) 07 Jun 2020 16:09:06
DLIB, you need to get out more mate.



25 Apr 2020 11:12:57
It's has been suggested that when football returns it will likely be played behind closed doors with all matches broadcast live on TV.

Can somebody please explain to me when this pandemic is over and football returns to normal why we are unable just to pay to watch every Utd game live on TV. I think football needs a revamp!

With the imminent take over at Newcastle it seems curious to me that Clubs like City, Chelsea and seemingly now Newcastle can benefit from mega rich owners yet Utd are unable to take advantage of our huge worldwide following and sell our own TV rights? Thoughts?


{Ed001's Note - because that is what happens in countries like Spain and why their league is a mess. The rich get richer at the expense of the poor and destroys the competitiveness of the league.}

1.) 25 Apr 2020 11:51:39
Ed001 - Thanks for your reply I just want to understand the complexity of the issue.

What happens in Spain?

Forgive me for being naive but I can't understand why in England we can't just choose which Premier League game we want to watch where as if we lived in the USA for example we could have our pick on ESPN.

It's frustrating that we have to pay subscriptions to both Sky and BT for only a handful of live games.

I'm a season ticket holder so I attend home games, it's difficult to get tickets for most away games so I'd like to be able to watch them on TV!

{Ed001's Note - for starters, you can blame your fellow Man Utd fans for the struggle to get away tickets. They can't behave themselves and so almost every club gives you a reduced allocation. It is such silly things as well, in the main, but they are costing their fellow fans as the home club know they will sell out to their own fans.}

I get the frustration for the fans of big clubs, but football is about more than just greedy big clubs wanting it all. As they found in Spain, where they allowed Barca and Madrid to negotiate their own TV deals, it just means the smaller clubs end up losing out massively. No TV company wants to bother with the little clubs, so they end up with little income and they can't come anywhere near competing with the big ones. The reason the English Prem is the best and most competitive is because it has mainly shared everything pretty equally.

The reason you can't watch is because most small clubs have a large percentage of their gate made up of fans of big clubs whose team are playing away that weekend. Put Man Utd on TV every week and most of those fans stay at home to watch instead of going to the likes of Bury etc.}

2.) 25 Apr 2020 12:07:06
No way the prem will finish and please don't believe all what the British government are telling you only last week a vaccine trail was 18 months away and now they are trialing one. You can't think about sport until the lockdown millions have been released its all about the lost millions to the Premier league they don't care about people dying or they wouldn't even be considering restarting. Here in Spain many people are in a hard lockdown and still upto 7000 new cases daily and around 600 daily deaths. Most Spanish people are blaming the Atalanta game for a lot of the trouble. The FA need to study everything very very carefully.😞😞.

3.) 25 Apr 2020 12:45:06
Thanks for your reply Ed!

I agree it's important to protect the competitiveness of the league but Utd also have to compete with the likes of Real and Barcelona in European competition as well. From a selfish perspective I find it a touch frustrating but can understand the bigger picture. When Utd were playing well under SAF I actually considered the likes of Real, Barca, Bayern, Juventus, Milan etc to be bigger rivals than even City or Liverpool for a time. Whilst local rivalries are important they sometimes become less significant as a teams priorities change. I would imagine Liverpools rivalry with City has taken on extra significance over the past couple of seasons and whilst it might still be important to beat Utd perhaps City is the game you now look for when the fixture list is announced. Now Liverpool are consistently challenging in Europe maybe you caste on eye on PSG, Real, Bayern, Barcelona etc and maybe even consider them bigger rivals than Utd at this moment in time. Financially it's important that you are able to compete with these teams as well.

I was aware of the 3pm KO rule obviously designed to safeguard attendances at live games but I'm not convinced not showing premier league games significantly protects attendances at lower league grounds. I'm not aware of that many people not going to watch Bury, Oldham or Rochdale for example because Utd are on TV. Generally these fans support those Clubs as their principe team and have no interest in watching Utd or even the premier league for that matter or certainly not in favour of their own Club. Maybe that's a naive view but certainly true of the people I know.

Anyway I suppose it's a complex issue and from a personal perspective I've always seen Utd as being more closely related to the great teams of Europe then the likes of Norwich, Brighton or Bournemouth.

I think I'd even welcome the formation of a European super league but I'd have to understand the complexity and issues involved. My view is the game changes and evolves and why should we stand in its way!
But I suppose that's a debate for another day!

{Ed001's Note - just remember Barca and Madrid have been struggling because they have an uncompetitive league. They have now swapped over to a joint TV deal split between the Spanish league. Stay with what we have as it isn't broke and is why the English league is the richest.}

4.) 25 Apr 2020 13:30:00
Fair enough Ed you understand the issues and complexities more than I do! Enjoy your weekend pal and stay safe!

{Ed001's Note - just to be clear, if you go along to the likes of Tranmere or Bury etc, you will 100% find their gates are affected by Man Utd/Liverpool etc playing at home. That is why Tranmere for a long time played on a Friday night. Whether that is still as much of a case now people can watch on dodgy streams online is very much up for debate. But I don't think it is fair to take chances on smaller clubs just so rich clubs can get even richer than they already are.

I mean you say it is so you can compete, but much smaller budgets remain competitive, so it is not about money.}



15 Apr 2020 11:28:46
RIP the 96 - All rivalry aside nobody should go to a football match and never come home. More poignant than ever football is after all just a game! Stay safe guys!


1.) 15 Apr 2020 14:39:30
It's not just a game in my eyes and I'll never see it that way 😂😂.

I echo your words on the tragic Hillsborough disaster though mate.




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30 Jun 2020 19:40:08
I think it's pretty obvious he meant "Game" time.

Eric I would assume it's pretty similar to the one where Utd have promoted an academy graduate into their match day squad for over 4000 consecutive games stretching back to before the Second World War. Sometimes the proof is in the pudding. I think we can all understand those stats despite the lack of a road map.




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31 May 2020 11:48:19
Ed001 - With all due respect if you want to disregard peer reviewed research then that's your prerogative. This is not my opinion but published peer reviewed literature.

Shappy has in my opinion eloquently made his argument and referenced his material, which I have read

If there are studies which contradict his point then please reference them and I will read them too.

Ed I don't know where you've found that the size of the crowd isn't important but here's some more published research for your consideration.

Agnew and Carron (1994) found that the only significant predictor of game outcome was crowd density. It was indicated that as crowd density increases, home advantage increases.   Nevill, Newell and Gale (1996) observed significant home advantage with larger crowds in football.

These are not my opinions but published findings in peer reviewed journals and articles.


{Ed001's Note - I did not say disregard it, I said question it. The same peer review journals were telling us that, for example, margarine was healthier than butter because of a large number of these kinds of papers. It was false because the people writing them made their conclusions based on their own bias - they went into the tests looking to prove margarine was healthier and so set the tests up to prove so. All of these reviews are taking raw data and not a holistic view. They are not using context. They are like Shappy with his debates, which are him looking purely at what agrees with him and discarding what doesn't. That is not how studies should work. They should look at ALL the date and try and fit their understanding around it all, rather than fit the data to their beliefs.

They are negating to look into the fact that as teams do well, crowd density increases. Density is a product of good performances as well and that has not been factored in at all. There has also been no account of player form or availability. They have ignored tactical considerations and team investment etc. Instead they have focused purely on the numbers and it is lacking context.

There are so many variables that they simply cannot factor in with pure numerical values.}



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31 May 2020 01:17:20
Interesting thread!

There is actually a plethora of published scientific research into the question of home advantage in sport.

From what I've read the crowd does appear to be the single most dominant factor when assessing home advantage through a variety of mechanisms. Other factors such as familiarity with the stadium, pitch or traveling time appear to have less of an influence.

Who am I to argue with the academics. Peer reviewed articles/ journals are considered to be the most reliable and respected sources of information.

Initial results in Germany although admittedly a very small sample size do seem to support this view.

Read the research and make your own mind up.




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05 Apr 2020 14:56:33
Fair enough Mumbles I respect your opinion and I must confess it's hard to defend him.

We've definitely struggled at times this season when having to rely on the likes of Lingard and Pereira and the signing of Fernandes has only illustrated what we've been missing.

I agree if we have title aspirations we need better and neither should be regular starters but maybe without the weight of pressure and expectation they can provide cover for the odd injury or perhaps this is just wishful thinking.




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05 Apr 2020 11:50:13
To be fair to Lingard he's scored some important goals for Utd and always worked hard on the pitch.

I think he was given a chance by Ole this season to really cement his place in the team and add some consistency, creativity and goals to his game. Unfortunately Lingard isn't quite at the level needed to get us back challenging for the top honours. He's been unable to deliver when given the extra responsibility and expectation.

Now we have Fernandes the pressure has been lifted somewhat. I still think Lingard is a decent player and more than capable of being able to deputise for Fernandes on occasions or make an impact off the bench. Whether he wants this role is debatable but I just don't see him moving to another big Club or anyone being prepared to match his wages. I think Lingard should get his head down, work hard and try to make the most of his opportunities when they arise. Football is a squad game and he'll still get plenty of opportunities. You have to fight for your place at any top Club and I'm sure even Lingard would admit he's been woefully short of form for the last 12 months.

If he wants to move and we can get a decent fee then fine but we need squad depth and players like Lingard and Pereria whilst not perhaps being good enough to start every game still have an important role to play at the Club. If they leave they'll have to be replaced and both play in areas where we're not exactly blessed with other options.





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06 Jul 2020 10:10:36
Good thread boys some interesting posts enjoyed reading everyone's opinions.




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05 Jul 2020 13:24:51
Excellent point Jred we've definitely been playing higher up the pitch which has obviously made us more exposed on occasions.

I agree this will change against the better teams where I still expect us to play predominantly on the counter attack!
However how great is it that we now seen able to dominate and score goals against deep lying defences but can also be equally devastating on the counter where we can play with more defensive shape and solidarity but still pose a major threat going forward.




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05 Jul 2020 12:17:43
I'm going to risk the wrath of the lynch mob and state I think Maguire is an excellent centre back.

I'm genuinely worried if people don't think Maguire has significantly improved our team and think we'd be better off with the likes of Tyrone Mings or Lewis Dunk.

Maguire is physically imposing, brilliant in the air and composed on the ball.

He actually starts most of our attacks and creates space for our attacking players by stepping into midfield with the ball. He often plays some delightful cross field passes allowing us to switch the play getting us into dangerous attacking positions. The likes of Pogba and Fernandes can play higher up the pitch and as a team we are now able to keep much better possession of the football and sustain attacks more easily. I think people sometimes forget just how bad the likes of Smalling and Jones were in possession and often moves would break down before they even started. I think Maguire's composure and quality on the ball is often underestimated by many fans but I think it's importance cannot be undervalued.

We are beginning to look like a proper football team and Maguire is a big part of that.

I accept he has made some poor errors since the restart but for the majority of the season I think he's been a dominant and calming influence on the team.

Since the restart we have played a higher defensive line and attempted to press more aggressively. It's worked brilliantly in allowing us to dominate possession and be more of an attacking threat. On occasions we have looked vulnerable to the counter as Matic doesn't have the pace or mobility to cover aggressively when teams beat our press and Maguire obviously lacks pace and recovery speed. I don't think Lindelof is the quickest and he also lacks physicality so sometimes he can be bullied by strong and physical forwards.

This approach has made us a much more attractive team however and we now have the tools to break down stubborn defences but we definitely look more vulnerable to counter attacks. Against most teams we'll be ok but we may need a rethink when we face the better sides. I would expect an extra midfielder or even a centre back will come into the side against the better teams in order to prevent the counter and provide better defensive cover in front of the back four.




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05 Jul 2020 11:55:40
Wilbot - Please evidence all the grievous and shocking mistakes Maguire has made this season. I think he deserves a fair trial before he's consigned into the realms of mediocrity alongside the likes of Tyrone Mings!




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03 Jul 2020 18:09:25
Shappy - All that players need to know is that the Club has a philosophy and belief in giving chances to players from the academy.

Utd promote more players from the academy into the first team than nearly any other Club and they have been doing this consistently since before the Second World War.

If someone can explain to me in detail what other Clubs are doing better than Utd and how this is leading to more academy players getting into the first team then obviously i'm more than prepared to listen and be educated.

The stats suggest that Utd have a pretty proud and distinguished record of giving young players a chance and to suggest the Club is somehow letting young players down or is no longer an attractive option seems like a cheap shot to me not based on any foundation or evidence.