Manchester United Discussion

29 Apr 2024 20:34:35
So it seems most of the squad is up for sale.

Beyond the 3 mooted off-limits players, we do have so many issues.

Heaton, Varane, Evans and Shoretire are likely off for free with Martial (please, please, please) finally going away.
Lindelof and AWB on extensions.
Maguire, Kambwala, McTominay, Eriksen and Amad each carrying only the value as determined by the market in light of just a single remaining year on their respective contracts.
That's so far 12 players who won't bring in a fortune.

Then, we have those with significant or perhaps worsening injury crises - Martinez, Shaw, Malacia and Mount.
That's now 16 players for whom we wouldn't get what we want.

Then come the old legs and the one-legged - Casemiro and Antony.
Now we're at 18.

Then the keepers - Onana and Bayindir.
20.

20 from a squad of 27 who would bring in much less than we'd like.
After those 20 and after sending back Amrabat, we're left with 6 players with decent sale value - Dalot, Bruno and Rashford, plus the 3 youngsters.

Even the loanees won't help much.

We really are in a proper little pickle, aren't we?

29 Apr 2024 09:36:32
ED002,

If Utd were to appoint TT as their next manager, would there need to be any compensation paid to BM?

I know that they have agreed for him it leaves the club.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

29 Apr 2024 13:47:01
Cheers ED002.

29 Apr 2024 16:46:44
A follow up question, if you don’t mind, Ed002.

If a club sacks a manager and then the manager finds a new job a few months later, are the sacking club still
obliged to pay off the duration of their contract (or whatever amount was agreed in said contract)?

{Ed002's Note - It is unreleted to the duration of his contract. There will either be a payment that needs to be made to the manager and his coaching staff which is pre-agreed or they would need to negotiate with his agent.}

29 Apr 2024 21:41:10
What’s your view on Tuchel Ed?

{Ed002's Note - As I said, he should be above Southgate and Potter as an option. Known to Jim Ratcliffe.}

28 Apr 2024 16:10:06
We can now no longer mathematically make top four, No Champions League football next season. The plans will have to be made without the income from that. In previous seasons when that happened there were indications the manager had a clause in his contract about meeting that. I read the managers pay would be reduced I think by 25%, but given it was the trigger to sack Moyes, it may be difficult for ETH and perhaps less costly for the club to sack the manager .

They are bringing in best in class, so why would they stick with ETH who has not achieved one of the key objectives, do they really believe ETH is best in class? Experienced eyes are not seeing one of the most entertaining teams in the league, a ridiculous claim. I am often told on here to ignore comments by managers after games, yet who is that nonsense yesterday aimed at?
It's a deluded claim, yet one by someone who knows he has failed the club key objective.

I started by saying the finances will take a hit because of ETH failure to achieve Champions League football. SJR is also here to win, yes, he maybe realistic on how long it will take to challenge for the league but how will he feel when his manager has already conceded next years league title? Maybe he is right yet so much for positivity, so much for visualisation technique. To raise the white flag over Old Trafford like this sticks in my craw quite honestly. How can we entice players to sign when our own manager, the one they want to play for has given up the ghost already, more than a year in advance. Admitting that is his Moyes, be like City comment and telling Rio and Vidic to watch Jagielka. Unacceptable to say this in public, unforgivable.

Plans have got to be put in place now, knowing who the manager will be, July 1st is far too late. I cannot see how the top professionals they are bringing in, can possibly think ETH is the right one and it will reduce with every game and pronouncement. They have to have made a decision by now, they have to be planning based on certainty of who they want in charge, not someone appointed two years ago by the previous regime.

28 Apr 2024 17:12:28
Club will change if those defining strategy want possession based football. ETH seems obsessed with transition, which is why our midfield is absent defensively. I can think of very few, if any, teams that won major honours domestically or internationally with that turgid approach.

28 Apr 2024 18:08:09
There is more than one way to play "possession" football. ETH came to OT, and with the players he signed, looked like he wanted to implement some of the possession fundamentals. To completely abandon it in his second season is a huge mystery to me.

Regardless of ETH staying or going, next season will have to be considered "Year 0" of a rebuild as INEOS will be asking any manager to implement THEIR style of play. ETH has effectively wasted 400M and 2 years of time.

Shocking that we find ourselves in this position again, but I choose to look at ETH as the last mistake of the Glazer era.

Tuchel it is then. Exciting.

29 Apr 2024 16:55:47
You're all as predictable as the English cuisine.
Boring, predictable and lacking substance.
For this repetitive nonsense I really hope they stick with EtH.
Sure, it's EtHs fault the players didn't turn up as a group every week.

27 Apr 2024 21:50:39
I’d like to ask you all and Ed002 about what do you see possible for next season?

Me?

Arsenal - probably stronger by signing a good CF

Man City - hopefully the PL will grow a pair and relegate them and hopefully strip the. Of all their trophies - oil will run out and the stadium be knocked down for a KFC or something

Liverpool - too much change at manager and okaying staff

Spurs - keep their hands in their pockets and just clear the place pov other teams.

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal are looking to a new Centre Forward as you say, but they need to remove someone from their forward line to make space - else Havertz to an AM role. The Premier League are not responsible for handing out punishments and I don't see the matter concluded before the start of next season. Stripping them of titles is not an option. Players will depart and arrive at Liverpool but the change of coach should not make too much of a difference. Spurs are looking at changes.}

27 Apr 2024 12:26:09
Ten Haag now claiming that the best we can hope for next season is a third or fourth placed finish. At this point, I wonder whether he's trying to get sacked. Am sure Eneos will be keen to drop a few hundred million more on his godawful signings just to secure a fourth placed finish.

And before people point out the obvious; yes, we have been miles off the pace this season and are unlikely to mount a serious title challenge next season. The fact that he's publicly throwing in the towel before a ball has even being kicked is pathetic though. What kind of message does that send to the players? To potential signings? To the fans?

This man is a joke, and not the funny kind.

27 Apr 2024 13:43:37
But he’s absolutely correct. So why is he a joke?

A cup and 3/ 4th is a wonderful achievement and progress.

27 Apr 2024 14:53:09
He has the most expensive squad ever assembled at his disposal, with £400m spent during his tenure to date. If given his way, I’m sure he’ll spend another £100m+ in the summer. Leicester won the league with a squad that cost just a fraction of that, and, man for man, was far less talented.

It’s unlikely that we’ll win the league next season, but stranger things have happened. For him to throw in the towel before the season has even started shows just how weak his mentality is. It’s little wonder that we’re so prone to collapse under his leadership and the fact that he’s already making excuses for next season is as embarrassing as some of our recent performances.

There were a million ways to answer that question. He chose the very worst.

27 Apr 2024 16:04:48
It's pathetic the murmmering and ramblings of a dead man walking. If it wasn't for financial reasons he'd have been gone at Xmas.
Out the door and down the road with ya.

27 Apr 2024 18:05:58
@Eric79 so doing what we did last season is progress? Can you hear yourself? Wonderful?

27 Apr 2024 19:25:21
Yes. The club and squad ETH took on was a shambles, and still is. We’ve literally not sold a single player apart from Elanga. This team needs £1b worth of investment, not 300-400m.

3/ 4th and a cup is an astounding achievement right now given the state of play where we are at.

28 Apr 2024 02:24:55
The squad he took over finished second the season before he came in. Now, after adding £400m+ worth of “talent” (and, if he has it his way, another £100m+ this summer), they’re incapable of finishing in the top two? Make it make sense.

Beating Coventry on penalties and then getting thumped by City in the final is not an achievement, nor is finishing outside the top six.

28 Apr 2024 10:40:10
Yes come on, let's have Southgate or Potter!

Honestly, some of the fans on here. The man is in at a club that is so disfunctional. He deserves to be properly judged once he has the correct structure and players of a decent caliber in the correct positions.

He still plays with players from a mixmash of 3 previous managers. We are in a 3rd cup final in 2 years and people want him sacked.

Fergie finished 13th, 13th and 12th in 3 of his first 4 seasons. I'm glad forums like this weren't around back then, I can't imagine the abuse that would've been thrown around.

Get around ETH, build a structure, give him the players and then judge him. The club has time on their hands now to do the right things. It's either that or get Southgate, let's see how long lasts on here 😂.