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13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.



30 Nov 2016 18:23:29
I cannot see us changing the manager under virtually any circumstances other than a complete capitulation. Without that Jose will be given the year. If we win the Europa and finish 8th in the league we will be in the Champions League. (I think we will finish 5th or 6th) . If we were to fire him then finding a new manager will be difficult except, of course, that failure = a big pay off when the contract is cancelled which may be something of a consolation.

A lot of the criticism is unfounded. The team has been playing quite well, just not getting the results. This brings us to Ibra. We all knew from the beginning that his role was a short term stop gap for a year or two while Martial and Rashford mature.

The last 3 years have been pretty dire by our standards, but at least this year the team is playing with attacking intent. Be grateful. At least that's the first of the complaints about LVG satisfied. In my view the anxiety of the fans is feeding into the players, so relax folks. Support the team and the manager and have hope.


1.) 30 Nov 2016 21:59:30
He is staying. Keep this simple.



29 Nov 2015 23:27:16
Another week goes by and the top teams struggle to win. City's scoreline flattered them, with their goals coming as much from errors by Southampton. It really has become a difficult league and our point at Leicester was not bad, all things considered. If Arsenal have Sanchez injured for a while their challenge may well falter, giving Liverpool and Spurs an opening. We have an opportunity to take advantage of what should be some winnable games and go into the new year on top. Will we take it?





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14 Jul 2018 15:11:04
As long as we don't buy Danny Rose. He hasn't played much but from what I've seen he's a very poor defender. This morning's goal was assisted by his complete unawareness. His body position against Januzaj was completely wrong, which also cost us a goal.


1.) 14 Jul 2018 15:40:12
People slate youngy but he didn't really put a foot wrong.

2.) 14 Jul 2018 16:17:31
Oh he did Mort - Did you watch him get skinned all game against Croatia, giving the ball away all tournament, caught on his heels constantly. What did he bring to the team going forward?

He made a great last ditch tackle in the semi-final but it was only because he was sleeping before that - commentators didn't point it out at all just praised his 'awareness'. We were only tested defensively a few times all tournament and he was found wanting whenever it happened.

He was vulnerable defensively and offered nothing going forward in open play, it's like playing with 10 men when we have the ball if he is on. Aside from being a body, and putting in a couple of decent balls from set-plays he really did nothing productive. Full backs nowadays need to do a lot more and it meant midfield/ strikers were isolated and the ball needed to go backwards. There were many poor performers for me, and Young was up there. Just turning up does not a player worthy of starting for Utd or England make.

3.) 14 Jul 2018 16:31:51
Absolutely spot on beast. Mort we must have been watching a different player because young was such a defensive liability this World Cup. Rebic and perisic had him on toast the whole game. I actually think Young deserves a lot of credit for reinventing himself as a full back. He has done a decent job but it is clear he is such a liability defensively. Then he offers very little going forward. Occasionally he will put a lovely ball in but occasionally does not quite cut it. We need to be replacing him otherwise this season will be very tough. I expect Ryan sessegnon to be starting in his place come the euros in two years time.

4.) 14 Jul 2018 16:40:15
Was he directly responsible for conceding 2 goals like Rose? He did play a part in England scoring from dead balls?

Id like to see him replaced but it ain't going to be by luke Shaw. And until we can shift on the squad fillers we ain't going to be signing anyone.

5.) 14 Jul 2018 16:48:10
As I said park he didn't do too bad. He's a 33 year old winger. Says a lot for the likes of Shaw an rose that their behind him in the pecking order. Rose has looked worse when he's played. It is a problem position for club and country but he's not been as bad as made out. Others have been worse for England this tournament. What did sterling do? All pace no product. Dele alli? Might as well not been on the pitch how anonymous he was most games. Walker looked lost most games an his pace bailed him out. Ok young didn't do well against Croatia but most of the team didn't either.

6.) 14 Jul 2018 17:00:24
I agree about rose mort. He has looked poor. I think shaw should be looking at the situation at both England and united and should be thinking that he Should make those positions his own for years to come. Shame that his attitude has hindered him. Like I said, I expect sessegnon to be playing in the euros.

7.) 14 Jul 2018 17:46:19
Rose was flavour of the month not that long back?

8.) 14 Jul 2018 18:00:55
Not my flavour Jred.

9.) 14 Jul 2018 19:55:15
He was José's flavour.



08 Jul 2018 01:07:07
Lindelof, Young, Fellaini, Lukaku, and Lingard have all had excellent world cups. Fellaini, in particular has shown why re-signing him was a good piece of business. He may not play a lot but he made all the difference in Belgium's comeback win against Japan, and in their ability to stem the Brazilians. Each was a different role.

As far as players who might improve the team, Alex Sandro, in his brief appearance was a standout, causing havoc down the right. Strong, pacy, skillful and direct.


1.) 08 Jul 2018 05:38:21
Are you sure you are thinking of Alex Sandro. I didn't think he made the squad for the World Cup plus he plays left back. Are you sure you weren't watching Douglas Costa. Right winger, pacy, skillful, direct.

2.) 08 Jul 2018 06:30:28
I think Leroy Sane was also excellent.

3.) 08 Jul 2018 07:04:51
Zlatan was phenomenal last night.

4.) 08 Jul 2018 09:03:19
I think Pele is man of the tournament in my humble opinion.

5.) 08 Jul 2018 10:14:23
If Maradonna had got more minutes Argentina would have been flying high.

6.) 08 Jul 2018 10:16:34
Bebe, the next Christian Ronaldo, was untouchable with magnificent derivery of crosses.

7.) 08 Jul 2018 10:18:46
I think what Shawthing is subconsciously implying is that we could do with both the LB Sandro and the RW Costa.
Mourinho said he thought every team should have a Brazillian well let's bring in 3 with Fred on board.

8.) 08 Jul 2018 10:32:58
Kennedyandy was listening to Chinese commentary.

9.) 08 Jul 2018 10:41:05
Think Italy should have got the pen yesterday, seconds away from going through.

10.) 08 Jul 2018 12:40:21
VAR is still looking at it.



06 Jun 2018 00:21:51
For those of you old enough to remember the song by Bernard Cribbins:

Right said Fred

I signed for United 

We're going to win the EFL

City's in trouble

Gonna burst their bubble

We're going to crush Liverpool

And Messi and the rest
Gonna know we are the best

U-ni-ted rule.


1.) 06 Jun 2018 06:35:58
Shaw, it doesn’t contain enough expletives mate, and there are far too many words for football fans to remember. There used to be some great songs but nowadays there seems to be a lack of imagination.

2.) 06 Jun 2018 08:29:02
I've got it AJH,

Oh Freddy Freddy,
Freddy Freddy Freddy Freddy Fre-eh-dy!


{Ed001's Note - you might want to drop the Oh...}

3.) 06 Jun 2018 08:30:10
Sorry, no expletives, how about this .

Oh Freddy Freddy,

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy, F*%&ing Fre-eh-dy.

That's definitely it this time.

4.) 06 Jun 2018 09:54:43
AJH, he said Bernard Cribbins, not Bernard Manning.

5.) 06 Jun 2018 09:54:57
So Shawthing . We sign Fred get relegated and then win "EFL". And you want us to sing about it.
It's a no from me ⚽⚽😆😆⚽⚽.

6.) 06 Jun 2018 11:14:53
To Twinkle little star:

Tackle tackle little Fred,
Win the ball and prove you’re Red,
Pass it, pass it to big Paul,
He can do magic with the ball.

7.) 06 Jun 2018 14:48:26
Please stop it now :)



05 Jun 2018 00:00:25
Interesting to read that the French fans are thinking very much like the United fans with calls for Pogba not to make the first XI. It leads me to ask whether there is something of the Balotelli about him? A player with incredible skill and physical attributes but whose demeanour and attitude invite controversy and ultimately undermine his progress.


1.) 05 Jun 2018 00:55:14
I don't know too many united fans who want pogba out of our first 11. Whos going to replace him, mctominay?

The reality is pogba started the season off in good form when we played with the slightest hint of freedom and tempo, then got injured, came back played superbly well against watford and arsenal away, got sent off then mourinho decided to start one of his pointless arguments with his players again and signed alexis sanchez with no real thought about how he was going to use him. As a result pogba form tailed off significantly similar to martials.

The comparison with balotellli is unwarranted, as pogba has in no way invited controversy the way mario did. Has pogba thrown darts at youth teams players, set off fireworks in his bathroom and started fights with his teammates and manager?

No he just has the audacity to have an expressive personality, use social media a bit too much and earn lots of money.

2.) 05 Jun 2018 02:02:06
Well that's well said TBH! Great response DSG.

3.) 05 Jun 2018 08:53:22
There's a bit more to it that DSG. The problem we have with Pogba is his lack of effort, drive and committment; he just cruises around the pitch. When we see what he's capable of, such as second half against city, we get frustrated that he doesn't do it on a regular basis.

A player of Pogba's ability should be running games and far to often he goes missing. Think back to Scholes and how he wanted the ball all the time. The ball went through him throughout the match and when he recived it he knew exactly where he was going to pass it to.

Fans aren't stupid, we know when a player is being half arsed and we see it in Pogba week in week out, just as we can see a player like Kante or our Sanchez runs around like a maniac for 90 minutes every week. I think it's fair that we demand the same from Pogba and he gets it in the neck when he doesn't deliver.

4.) 05 Jun 2018 09:56:20
I agree mancman sanchez does run around like a maniac but he also gives the ball away like its gone out of fashion. he's been extremely poor since he joined and got nowhere near the stick pogba has got. Surely running around a lot can not hide the fact sanchez has been awful.

Pogbas lack of effort doesn't ring true to me, are there any running stats or distance covered stats which show he's been putting in half arsed performances? As far as i am aware our whole team has the worst distance covered stats in the premier league so hardly a problem just for pogba.

Or does his languid, sometimes casual style give off the impression that he doesn't care.

5.) 05 Jun 2018 10:37:15
Think pogba’s General style makes it seem that he isn’t trying. Ozil gets the same treatment and is an easy scapegoat when arsenal are playing poorly. But unfair to be honest. I think the reason why fans of both united and France are frustrated with him is that he is so unbelievably talented and has the attributes and ability to do things that only the best can do. But he is still inconsistent and it is very frustrating. There comes a point when a player has to step up and live up to that potential. I think he will kick on next season but if he doesn’t he has to start shouldering the blame.

6.) 05 Jun 2018 10:45:08
Park is spot on about Pogbas playing style. Ed001 told us that when he signed.

7.) 05 Jun 2018 10:55:31
Watch him live and he walks around the pitch .
Only comes alive when he gets the ball, never anticipates a pass and intercepts a pass or bust a gut to win it back, doesn't want to do the dirty work.
It's a part of his game he needs to improve.

8.) 05 Jun 2018 11:19:08
I enjoy Pogba as a player. Can be a joy to watch but its little things that let him down.

Number one is that he does not move the ball quick enough. He has the ability to play 1 or two touch but he insists on a little turn or a drag back which infuriates me.

People want Pogba to boss games. To dominate the midfield. With all his abilities it seems like he should. I don't think he's as confident as people think. Just because he's on social media and has outlandish haircuts does not mean he's confident. wouldn't be suprised if all that's hiding some sort of insecurity. Jose hammering him and the media always scrutinising can't help.

I want him to stay but we need a leader in the midfield. A Keane like attitude to take the battle on and let Pogba be free to get around the pitch and influence. He has so much ability, can pass, shoot and is strong as on ox. Would love to see him arriving late in the box like Scholes used to. We have spent 89 million on a player but do nothing to complement him. Even if we spend another 50 mill on that said player, we have still spent less than Barcelona did on Coutinho. I would take an happy Pogba and a solid midfielder over that any day.

9.) 05 Jun 2018 11:57:17
DSG, Since when does languid and casual not mean half arsed?

This notion that it is just his 'style' is just rubbish. If he put in more effort then he wouldn't be languid or casual.

When was the last time you saw Pogba sprinting anywhere, nevermind really busting a gut? Do you get the sense that he leaves everything on the pitch? I don't.

10.) 05 Jun 2018 12:59:28
Question - I remember at the time berbatov getting criticism for his languid style and fans preferring tevez. I think berbatov was a much better player but tevez was a better team player and we looked a better side with him in. Would people prefer a player with that bit of magic or someone that works hard?

{Ed004's Note - I think it's Pogbas running style that results in people criticising him a lot for his apparent lack of effort. I can't remember where I seen it earlier in the season but he was frequently covering the most ground in our side. We don't press as a team so as a result we don't really see any player bar Sanchez closing down with any intensity so I think that makes a lot of people think Pogba isn't putting the work in.}

11.) 05 Jun 2018 13:59:29
Last time I remember seeing pogba bust a gut was that run against city for his second goal. He is such a threat on those areas and for whatever reason he doesn’t do it. Down to tactics mostly but his desire has been found wanting a lot this season.

12.) 05 Jun 2018 14:21:33
Park, that's exactly the word; DESIRE! I don't get the sense that Pogba really has any and so it seems neither do many of the French. This talk of style or confidence are excuses. Either the guy does it on the pitch or he doesn't and most of the time he doesn't. He has the talent and ability so we have to assume he's not really that bothered ie he doesn't have the desire. Well, I don't have the desire to support him every week while he doesn't have the desire to play his heart out for Manchester Utd. I'd rather we find someone else who does. Unfortunately this spies to most of the squad atm. No wonder Jose has lost his patience.

13.) 05 Jun 2018 14:42:59
Park, imagine if Berbatov had the same desire and put in the same effort as Tevez. What a player he would have been.

14.) 05 Jun 2018 14:42:59
Park, imagine if Berbatov had the same desire and put in the same effort as Tevez. What a player he would have been.

15.) 05 Jun 2018 17:10:51
MancMan the combo of Berba and tevez would have been some player. Tevez was my favourite player when he was with us and that soon changed when berba joined. Very few had a better first touch.

The question has to be does pogba have the desire to be the best? Or does he have the desire to all the things necessary to be the best? It seems that he picks and chooses what he wants to do. He wants to do the flicks and tricks but not the clever runs and off the ball work. I was a believer that he would do very well under pep. I think he would be better than De Bruyne statistically. But pep demands every single player work hard for the team. Not sure how pogba would do doing that. I’m still a massive fan and want him to stay.



03 Jun 2018 15:03:38
How do we properly assess a manager's results in relation to his transfer dealings? Is net spend relevant, especially in the early years when the squad may be void of quality and inherent market value, and the manager has to rebuild from the ground up?

The fact is, as Park points out below, Jose's acquisition costs have not been particularly high in relation to the managers of the other top teams. His results by any reasonable measure have not been bad, certainly better than Poch and Wenger. We've managed to get back to 2nd in the league and we've won 2 trophies. From a results point of view Mourinho has been successful, though perhaps not as successful as we would like.

Let's start to look at net spend once he's had the opportunity to fully make the team his own and rid it it of the LVG/ Moyes hangovers. Additionally, if we are to consider net spend then we would also need to consider market value of the squad, because some of the deficit in net spend may be more than made up by actual market value.


1.) 03 Jun 2018 15:40:02
Spot on shaw I said something similar down the page. United rarely sell their top players to rivals in their prime, except with Ronaldo and di Maria. We have average players on huge contracts which is down to our own doing. But that makes it difficult to get these players off the book. So when we sell these players they are often surplus to requirements. Hopefully we will start selling some of these players and improve the squad more.

2.) 03 Jun 2018 15:41:50
Another issue is when we bid for a player there seems to be a premium of 20m added on. Other clubs don’t face this as much as we do. Whether that’s down to negotiation or not I’m not sure. But morata springs to mind. Was priced at 75m to us but Chelsea bought him for 60m. At the end of the day we need to take the same stance with our top players like De Gea or pogba. We seem to be starting to do that which is great to see.

3.) 03 Jun 2018 16:17:21
Surely they have to be judged if they successfully fill a need that you bought them for.

For example we bought darmian to be our first choice right back. We probably still need a first choice right back even though valencia has performed admirably.

Shaw to be left back for years and years. Still need a left back.

Bailly, lindelof and rojo and we still need a commanding centre half.

Blind, schweinsteiger, fellaini, Schneiderlin. Still have a hole to fill in midfield.

Depay, sanchez, martial and we still need to buy a winger.

Whether they cost £1 mil or £100 million if they don't fill a role then they have been a flop.

4.) 03 Jun 2018 16:22:02
The manager is only a part (sometimes a small part ) of the process of identifying a player .

5.) 03 Jun 2018 16:31:07
Good post DSG - throw in Miki and Sanchez who look like shadows of the players they were as well.

I mentioned the other day that the problem isn't just Jose most managers make poor signings, but his signings have left a lot to be desired for the most part. Matic gets lots of praise, but he looked like he was running in treacle most games and he was often redundant when it came to snuffing out danger - contributing next to nothing going forward (compare him to Fernandinho, Kante, Dembele and it's a no contest) . We paid a lot of money for a small upgrade on Herrera. Lukaku has played well under the circumstances, but he doesn't fit a team with no wingers and no proper fullbacks - so deal doesn't make sense, nothing against the big man though who has done well off scraps.

Pogba has been ok, quality a handful of times, irrelevant the vast majority. For that money being spent you would expect better consistent quality being signed - so Jose has been very poor in the market. Again the weakness of LVG has helped Jose and schewed opinion, as for some bizarre reason people still use LVG as the benchmark.

6.) 03 Jun 2018 18:52:21
On the money there Beastie Boy.

7.) 03 Jun 2018 19:42:29
The reason of the players haven't performed is becauae of themselves. I think Lukaku did a very good job this year, i didn't really rate him that much.

Aa for players like mkhi and Pogba they are to blame themselves.

Matic has done a good job but he is getting older and isn't really superfast to run around and be everywheree.

8.) 03 Jun 2018 20:16:49
Do we want to give Mourinho more money to spend?

He has bought 2 centre backs already, and he still feels he needs another one. For some reason he dropped our only class CB in Bailly towards the end of the season and he didn't really give a real reason.

He gave Zlatan a huge contract while injured and he hardly played for the side again.

He has fallen out with Pogba, his own signing.

He has already sold Mkhitaryan, and Sanchez is let to prove his worth.

He has signed 8 players for nearly 300m. Only Matic and Lukaku can be called real successes so far.

So judging by his current average if he signs 4 players this summer three will be underwhelming and one will be a success.

So why would you want him to spend another 200-250m for one good player?

9.) 03 Jun 2018 20:26:51

You need to stop with all the negativity and get with the programme.

Jose is the Messiah.

Jose has incredible relations his with his players.

Jose is the best man manager that has ever lived.

Jose was won like to of trophies, ergo Hea will win many more.

He has signed excellent players; if they have turned out to be pants that is down to them, not Jose who is completely blameless.

Players when fall out with ajose need a good talking to, they need to learn who the Messiah is and get a grip.

Shappy, enough with the doom mongering, we are on a steep upward curve and this time next year we will have won every trophy on offer. Stop being a sourpuss.

10.) 03 Jun 2018 20:28:47
DSG and Beast. Hit the nail on the head. Another point is which of our players can we honestly say are playing better? Valencia Shaw young hererra matic smalling jones bailly lindelof martial pogba Rashford lukaku mata sanchez Mctominay da gea lingard? Out of all these, ddg, but he has a gk coach. Young has had a good season. Lukaku has had a good start to his life in a United shirt. And Mctominay and Lingard have played well.
The rest of the players have been bang average. Can 10-12 players all have poor seasons out of coincidence? I'm not sure.

11.) 03 Jun 2018 20:41:13
You’re all wrong. Jose is doing great stuff, great great stuff. He has one of the greatest ever football brains, so big that he can control Luke Shaw’s body from the sideline. If we didn’t have Jose, we probably would be in league 1 by this stage.

12.) 03 Jun 2018 22:25:47

13.) 03 Jun 2018 22:36:49
Fake Noucamp.

14.) 04 Jun 2018 04:04:35
Is having a new manager in a World Cup season really that good of an idea? What with the reduced transfer window period in England.

15.) 04 Jun 2018 07:04:59
Is it better to keep walking down the wrong path rather than turn back and go the right way, just because it's getting dark?

16.) 04 Jun 2018 08:02:27
Judging by how posters go, the new manager (whoever he is) got no chance at all. Half a season of bad performance and results and everyone would want him to get out of the club.

17.) 04 Jun 2018 10:57:39
Shappy how are we walking down the wrong path? We have improved in every aspect of our game apart from in playing style. We have scored more goals, conceded less, highest position in over 5 years. Of course the playing style is terrible but we are playing with a defence that’s not good enough and two ex wingers as full backs. The club are actively looking to address this, whilst looking to add some quality in the cb and cm positions. Yes his man management has been poor with certain players but quite frankly in some cases it has been needed. Fergie used to sell players who he perceived was against his regime. I’m sure if Jose did that there would be an uproar on this site. Your dislike for Jose clouds some of your posts. What precedent does it set if we are sacking managers who finish second in the league?

Look at the situation Chelsea are in. Yes there are other issues there but sacking managers has harmed them in the long run. They have a hugely talented set of youngsters that have won the treble and quadruple in the last few years but have not been integrated into the squad. Whose fault is that? I suppose you think it’s jose’s But it’s a club structure issue where a manager is not there long enough to promote and work with these talented youngsters.

I don’t want to see us go that way. Whose to say if Jose stays and is successful he won’t promote the talented youth players such as Chong, Gomes or Hamilton? The club have promoted both McKenna and Carrick from within into coaching roles with McKenna said to be taking charge of training sessions. His youth team played some lovely football and I think it’s a great appointment. Do you really think the club did this against jose’s Will? Of course he endorsed this. The narrative that he is a miserable stubborn ego maniac is so boring and our own fans have been brainwashed by it. Yes he has narcissistic tendencies but you don’t get to the top without it. He may not be a right fit for united, I have reserved judgement on this till the end of next season. But I can guarantee the next manager will have a great squad to build with if and when he goes.

18.) 04 Jun 2018 14:51:54
Park or we will be left with a load of 30 year olds while our top youngster have left.

By the way the club buy players not Jose.

19.) 04 Jun 2018 15:31:01
Jred who said the top youngsters are leaving? Rashford is going nowhere and it’s only real martial who may be off. I think that would be a mistake for sure but I think he will stay another year.

Three of jose’s Signings can be considered ‘old’. Zlatan, Sanchez and matic. Sanchez is turning out to look like a mistake but I will give him the benefit of joining mid season. Miki again was 27 but he is no longer here. Zlatan in our first year was a good signing imo, but keeping him was a massive mistake. Seemed to be for sentimental reasons rather than logic. But he has now left as well. Matic has been a really good signing and we needed that experience in the middle of the park.

The rest of his signings are players who are young, so again the narrative he only signs finished articles doesn’t hold up. Bailly (24), pogba (25), Lukaku (25), lindelof (23) are all good buys imo. The issue remains that Jose is not getting the most out of them currently. Hardly leaving behind an old squad. Add the potential additions of Fred (25), dalot (19), Sandro (26), Milinkovic-Savic (23) and these are not ‘short-termism’ buys. Ok Alderweireld is 29 and bale is 28, but they are both established world class players that we need. I don’t see how people can argue that Jose only buys old players. It’s just another stick to beat him with to suit the agenda against him.

My issue with him is that he is not getting the best out of the squad at all. If we are still in a similar position come January I will be in the Jose out camp. But he deserves another year of backing and support from us fans to try and win us the league. I don’t why that’s a problem for some fans.

20.) 04 Jun 2018 15:59:23
I'm in the camp I would give him another 12 month .
But can't understand all these post about Jose "doing no wrong" .

21.) 04 Jun 2018 16:10:08
Jred I’m with you mate. I’m in the same camp as you. I don’t understand why it has to be two polar opposites of in or out.




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30 Jun 2018 12:08:21
Fellaini knows he's only going to be squad player, and, given the transfer costs United seem to need to pay in order to get anyone half way decent as an alternative, having him around for his wage cost only seems to me a very decent bit of business by United. With Fellaini you know what you're getting: it's someone who may not be top drawer but is at last as good as some of the overrated players who have been linked with us, like Dier, who would cost us a lot more. He's not my favorite player but he does offer a viable alternative in style when it's needed.




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29 May 2018 20:53:54
Win Dallot? I've heard he can turn on the gas.




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16 May 2018 19:06:30
I don't see how anyone can judge Shaw properly without not only giving him an extended run in the side but also having him play behind a consistently selected left sided winger.




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23 Jul 2017 20:46:28
He's not worth a penny over £150m.





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14 Jul 2018 20:16:50
Lukaku's touch does tend to desert him and unless he improves in this area he will most likely never be regarded as great. However his game is more than just scoring. The ball he played behind the defence that led to Belgium's first was perfection. He's proved himself an adept crosser of the ball for United too. If he continues to score 20-30 goals a season and provide 5-10 assists one can hardly complain about his productivity, notwithstanding some skill deficiencies.




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11 Jul 2018 22:20:44
I don't expect much from Sterling in terms of final product. Today's disappoint for me was Kane.




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11 Jul 2018 22:17:54
It might have been a different game if the ref had issued a few yellow cards early in the game when England were on top. Lovren might have had 2. Given that this was the ref who sent Nani off in our match against Real Madrid, it does tend to make one feel he doesn't like English teams. This may seem like sour grapes but I think it makes a real difference when every move is stopped through professional fouls that do not receive an automatic yellow.

That said, in the end we didn't deserve the win. It seemed like we were starting every attack through Pickford. The intention might have been to spread the other team out but the result was that there was no speed in the attack and the defenders had plenty time to get organized. Add to that a performance by Kane that was the antithesis of what you want from your captain.




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02 Jul 2018 22:37:15
I think this shows why keeping Fellaini rather than shelling out £40m plus £200k a week on another players whose reputation may exceed their contribution was an extremely good piece of business by United.




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17 Jun 2018 11:54:27
The guy remains phenomenal. I'm sure he could contribute in the prem for a couple of years. I don't care how it happened but scoring 3 goals against Spain is extraordinary and something inconceivable for any English player (I hope to be proved wrong during the next month) . But the reality is his overall contribution will decline markedly every year, while the attention demands of his massive ego and the constant press attention will probably not. His massive salary will reduce funds needed for investments in new players and will block the natural progression of younger players and the team in general. A reunion between United and Ronaldo is just a piece of nostalgic twaddle. It won't and shouldn't happen. It can only end badly.


{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about Ronaldo returning to MU.}