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14 Nov 2017 12:45:55
180 mins in defence for Sweden by Lindelof and no goals conceded. Worth mentioning because when I asked how he played in the first game it was commented by Beast as a weak argument. Lindelof needs more time before being judged yet no doubt his critics will also dismiss last night as well.

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14 Nov 2017 13:00:47
The lad obviously has great talent, I was over in Lisbon a couple of months ago and people were saying we stole their best defender and that he will be amazing at united. He has just had a slow start, it happens, the quality is there, hopefully he gets his head down and becomes the player we thought we signed.

14 Nov 2017 13:11:33
He might a chance against Newcastle.
With Jones out.

15 Nov 2017 07:33:09
Did you watch the games Red Man, you told us that you didn't watch the first leg but used it to make a point how Lindelof "must" have played well if they kept a clean sheet?

It's not hard to keep a clean sheet if the whole team is dedicated to defending. Look at our average defence for the past few years!

Besides Sweden and International football is not Man Utd. I want Lindelof to do well but every time I have watched him for MAN UTD, he has looked out of his depth. Weak in the air, poor on the ball, bad positional sense and slow to react - a player clearly lacking on any sort of confidence. The fact he has barely played tells me that what I have seen is what our manager must be seeing most days in training as well, otherwise he would be playing more.

I am not anti any of our players, I'm just saying Lindelof looks like more of a dud buy than a good one at this stage. I'd love anybody to counter what I have said with logic rather than making wild assumptions and talking about what "may" happen in the future. All we know for sure is what we have seen and it ain't that much!

15 Nov 2017 12:41:27
Vidic was shaky when he first joined but he put the hours in and became world class. Too early to judge Lindelof yet in my opinion.

15 Nov 2017 21:27:25
Beast

Er, I didn’t point out how Lindelof “must” have played well if they kept a clean sheet. I actually asked “How did Lindelof play for Sweden last night? I see Italy didn’t score. ” I didn’t see the game.

I did watch the second game and Lindelof was part of a very good defence under extreme pressure. I can’t judge him yet and I certainly can’t say he is or looks out of his depth. Time will tell but it is too early to give him the criticism he has been given by yourself.

16 Nov 2017 09:31:12
haha - the implication was there as proven with your final point. The old "I didn't know he was going to stab him, as I handed him a knife" trick.

Look you want to give everyone time and that's admirable. That doesn't mean we can't assess the "CURRENT" state of play. I'm sure everyone will go on to be world class superstars in your world if given enough time, but when we are evaluating the here and now it is a lot different.

Lindelof right now looks like a waste of money, certainly a signing made too soon in his career. Not many other players are signed for the money he was and barely get on the bench, not many perform as poorly as he has when given chances. Those point are facts in my eyes. He may turn out to be the next 'Vidic', but it is more likely he will turn out to be the next 'no name' if we are basing things on actual events rather than hopes.

16 Nov 2017 11:59:30
Red Man - just wanted to clarify "In your world" point, as it unintentionally comes off a bit snarky, I meant it simply that you see high potential and tend to be a glass half full kind of guy (I am not), we have a lack of ability to bring on that potential. Paying so much money for a player obviously means they have talent, but we don't know how best to nurture that talent and the signs aren't good.

People will point at Jose with Miki last season (he knows best blah blah blah), but does he how is Miki doing a year on? Shaw is nowhere and I don't see too many players progressing on an individual level.

The best way to overcome problems is not to hide from them. I think Jose doesn't rate Lindelof and is loath to play him, the "isn't ready" line being used is code for "Isn't up to it". I agree with this, the manager says things I often agree with, I just hate the way he sets his teams out to play.

16 Nov 2017 14:22:37
Beast,

You aren't a glass half full kind of guy? Well I never ;)

17 Nov 2017 02:19:18
Beast, we get it. You've written off Lindelof. He is another shining example that justifies your position that the club and Jose are a terrible failure.

Now let's see what happens rest of the season. What would be an acceptable season for you? Would second place, quarter final UEFA and domestic cup runs/ trophy be enough to convince you it is not a disaster? Or is it only a treble forged out of champagne football that will do?

17 Nov 2017 06:57:34
DodgyB

Couldn’t agree more

Beast seems like he has been watching too many season review videos which didn’t show that SAF teams ground out many many wins with very dull football and showed just the best bit of players, hell, I bet even Djemba looked good on them.

17 Nov 2017 11:52:37
Fergies worst Premier League season would contain more "moments" than the past 5 years combined. Our League season review so far would be the West Ham game for 90 minutes, the rest would be the credits, and even they are more entertaining that everything else we have been subjected to.

17 Nov 2017 12:03:33
Well this look like a popcorn thread.

That last post made me chuckle beast, harsh but made me laugh.

11 Nov 2017 23:16:43
Ireland that was one of the worst games I ever watched.
I think we are bringing niall Quinn out of storage for the second leg.

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10 Nov 2017 17:21:04
I just wonder what is so wrong that we seem that we have turned into a group of butchers and moaners rather SUPPORTERS?
To answer my own question - nothing is THAT wrong.
Let us let José get on with the job and Support come hell or high water. That is what supporters do traditionally - or is tradition an out of date dirty word.

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11 Nov 2017 12:17:32
Amazing isn't it DW20.

12 Nov 2017 01:56:49
I have a funny feeling that if this website existing during the 80's you would be reading similar and probably a lot stronger comments at many times during the SAF era!

Supporters support, but support isn't always praising rubbish. Sometimes the best type of support can be identifying problems so improvement continues. Like telling a kid they are great all the time even if they are misbehaving, what happens to that kid in later life - they become a waste of space because they were spoiled? Loving somebody like a club shouldn't be unconditional, or at the very least it shouldn't mean hiding the truth, it's about solving problems together and caring about the same thing.

12 Nov 2017 22:28:42
Spot on beast. I'm a supporter, no matter what players take the field no matter the opposition I go into every game expecting and hoping to win. However as a supporter I think it's important to be able to see and be honest and objective about some obvious issues. Of course it's not always easy to be objective given the obvious bias.

06 Nov 2017 23:17:22
Just ready some of the comments and having also listened about our injury list, l for one would only add Pogba in the team if everyone was fit so really we are only 1 player short of our best 11. I have said it before we need attacking full backs who can deliver good early crosses, which will help Lukaku. To watch our high ball football again for the last 15mins against Chelsea was so disappointing. Chelsea rmarked Mykitaryan.

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07 Nov 2017 13:55:43
We have got several injuries in one specific area of the field. Fellaini make his come back after a month out injured against Chelsea, but Pogba and Carrick are still both out. Mata was injured for the Chelsea game.

Over the last month, which is when the results/ performances people are unhappy with have happened we have had Bailly, Jones, Carrick, Fellaini, Pogba, Mata, Rojo, Zlatan, Lingard and Valencia out injured for one or more games. Plus Lukaku picked up an injury playing for Belgium during the last international break and he played with pain killing injections while not fully fit. Which you have to accept is likely to have effected his performances.

That makes picking a consistent 11 very hard, having to keep chopping and changing and being restricted and unable to pick certain tactics due to injuries has played a part.

Pogba is the key one though, he is our most expensive signing and he is the player we have built our side around, take out the key cog in your watch and see how well it works.

06 Nov 2017 16:18:24
A lot of posts on, yesterday and today, talking about how fans are depressed over recent performances.

Can I just say, and I'm not getting at anyone in particular, nor am I wanting to make a big deal out of things. But I, and other close family and friends have and do suffer from Depression, and I can assure you, a game of football, or how badly your particular team is doing, really doesn't bear comparison.

I know nobody on here means anything by it, and it's just a figure of speech, but if we could just keep things in perspective a little, lads, and tone the language down a bit.

That's why some of us overegg our love for the entertainment side of things in football, because winning or losing trophies, in the big scheme of things, really isn't that important, compared to the simple pleasures of getting excited by the team and the sport you love.

I'm now in two minds as to whether I should post this or not, as I'm not a fan of posting personal stuff on social media or sites like this, and I don't want to come across as a drama queen. But I know others on here have suffered their own problems and traumas, and I'm sure getting beat in a football match is the least of their worries.

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06 Nov 2017 16:43:16
Well said Steve. For me you are one of the bright lights on the chat,
Everyone has a suffering and we all get carried away when our team looses.
Not the end of the world if United lose a game.
Best of luck to you and your family going forward Steve.

06 Nov 2017 17:41:33
Cheers, Leahy. Appreciate it, mate.

06 Nov 2017 17:55:26
Nou football is just a bloody game. Other things come and go even close friends. But family is family and nothing is ever more important than that. I’ll pray for you and your family for peace and harmony. Whatever is needed I’m sure you’ll be guided there. God bless.

06 Nov 2017 18:26:08
To post Nou. I have sister that surfers from depression and anxiety issues so i hear what your saying.
I am more in the football is about winning but watching my team lose is just part of being a supporter. It frustrates me when we lose sometimes and other times we lose because we don't deserve any better like all teams and i can accept that easily.
I think the squad jose took over is the worst we had for 20 years and even after 7 signings the squad has no proper full backs and no winger so there can be no surprise when we lose to anybody.

06 Nov 2017 18:27:46
Well said Stevie, o am currently 'between roles' and come April will have exhausted my savings which is proper stress so I concur completely.

Look after yourself and your family mate.

06 Nov 2017 20:03:27
Cheers, lads. I really don't want this to turn this into a big thing. And I don't want to turn this site into one big self-help group :) Just want to remind people that there's much more important things happening out there to fellow posters, than losing a game of football. Remember the problems CTR had with his wee baby? Tony, I hope things work out for you, fella.

07 Nov 2017 11:30:20
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Good post pal.

07 Nov 2017 13:58:29
Good post Stevie, bang on the money as usual. Take care of yourself, and of those close to you. I have family and friends who suffer with depression/ anxiety, it's horrendous. All we can do is try and be there for eachother.

07 Nov 2017 19:07:50
Cheers, Shaps. It's a lot more common than we maybe like to let on.

08 Nov 2017 18:54:47
You do everýbody a service by highlighting an illness that affects millions and encouraging people to realise that the game we all watch (and love) is just that, a game.

I'm sure depression has probably affected most of us either directly or indirectly and I'm yet to meet someone who suffers due to lukaku fluffing a chance.

Top post mate.

08 Nov 2017 22:35:52
Thanks, Deano. That Lukaku line had me chuckling to myself. Nailed it, mate.

10 Nov 2017 09:47:00
Quality deano.

06 Nov 2017 12:58:07
Congrats to Agent Moyes. Hopefully he can repeat last years great success.

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05 Nov 2017 22:23:44
Can't believe I'm saying this because I thought jose was the right man for the job, now I know he can set a team up not to lose but I'm having my doubts if he can set a team up to win, and still don't think he'll be here much longer ( his choice), his snipping and body language suggests he's ready to leave.

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05 Nov 2017 19:43:48
I don't like to boast too much but I was soo right about your mob and Maureen Pullis abysmal hoofball tactics, apologise accepted boys chin up.

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05 Nov 2017 20:23:25
And still above Liverpool 😂😂.

05 Nov 2017 21:33:11
Parents still must be so proud.

05 Nov 2017 22:48:16
Apologise accepted.

07 Nov 2017 21:12:55
Hi mighty reds, il tell you what mate Il apologize if Liverpool win the league. #27yearsandcounting.

05 Nov 2017 17:47:29
Seem to spend my time on here being critical of miki which is a shame because i'm a huge fan but we've played with 10 men today, surely he can't keep playing like this and still be selected, I'm actually hoping fellainni (? ) comes on.

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05 Nov 2017 17:46:03
Get Mkhitaryan off its like playing with a man down.

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