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14 Aug 2018 08:31:31
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14 Aug 2018 06:20:05
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 14th August 2018

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13 Aug 2018 22:29:46
VDS one of the names rumoured to be on our shortlist for director of football role.

What does everyone think not VDS as DoF?

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13 Aug 2018 22:47:02
He will be a good apppointment.

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14 Aug 2018 07:36:24
Hopefully all applicants will have a clear defined idea of a pattern of play and therefore aim for a manager and players to suit. It seems opportune that after a poor transfer we now seem to be looking for a DoF, perhaps it was deliberate so the new appointee has money to work with. The cynic in me wonders if the new DoF sacks Mourinho then it excuses Woodward a bit, new direction and ideas not that Woodward made any error.

As to the who, the board should have definitions of what their strategic aim is (other than commercial) and it should define the appointment. VDS affiliation with Ajax is known, LvG didn’t work so is Ajax style what VDS wants and if so does that match with the board. Or do we want someone with continental knowhow and bring something new?

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14 Aug 2018 07:55:34
VDS is well respected in the football world and it will be his character and conviction that will secure the deals.
RedMan, i think he will be intelligent enough to pick players who can fit in any system. I think good players can play in any system and develop their games to suit the system.
With Mourinho, we do not have a clear system, the players look confused most of the time.
VDS will be a fantastic choice. The only other person that i thought might be looked at is Xavi. He's never played in our league, but he has always followed it closely and seems very knowledgeable. He is also very well respected throughout the football world and is in touch with the Spanish and South American market.

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14 Aug 2018 08:09:28
There’s only one man for the job - LVG.

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{Ed0333's Note - you shouldn’t mess with the supernatural mate.

13 Aug 2018 20:19:45
Anyone seen G Nevilles comments about Mourinho. I completely agree with him.

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13 Aug 2018 20:26:54
fully agreed, but the likes of GDS and ken will ignore this.

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13 Aug 2018 21:06:43
I think neville talks a lot of sense rover.
I can see the short comings of the manager and our style of play.
I said last week exactly what neville and carrager said on sunday. They hired the manager knowing all the shortcomings that he has and knew his style.
He wanted a change of playing staff the club said no so he ether gets on with it and tries to get the most out of what he has the way he knows best. Or else he walks or else they fire him.
I hope shaw has a great season i hope fred has a great season and i hope bailly and lindelof strike up a great patnership i hope lukaku and rash and jessie continue to improve. I hope sanchez and pogba show their class. I hope we don't suffer too bad with key injuries. I hope jose doesn't have a meltdown. I hope ddg maintains his form. I hope that dalot is an inspired signing and comes good early.
Lots to hope for if even half of my hopes come through then we will be a better team to watch and accumulate more points.

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13 Aug 2018 22:01:43
Looks like your psychic powers are slipping as Ken didn't ignore it. Apology?

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13 Aug 2018 21:54:41
Jose's reply will be interesting. I bit the words Valencia and Failed are mentioned. just a guess😆😆.

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13 Aug 2018 23:17:20
I didn’t ignore it either, interesting you chose your first post since July 2017 to call out Ken and myself on something random, well done for contributing so much to the site.

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13 Aug 2018 23:55:54
I think GN is saying what 99% of the fans have been saying. We are painful to watch. And as I've said on here many times before, Mourinho likes big strong players over technically gifted ones. This sort of football went out of fashion 5 years ago.
Problem is, he'll not be here come April and we'll be stuck with a lot of these players.

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13 Aug 2018 15:23:33
Only 20 add teams in the Manchester United Fans Fantasy Football league - nobody bothering this year? (obviously apart from the 25 that have! )

Liverpool got 420 entries.

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13 Aug 2018 17:46:09
The code up top was for Liverpool so all went in that I think.

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13 Aug 2018 18:52:51
What's the code for this page?

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13 Aug 2018 18:54:36
Ah ok WRD, maybe that explains it. Thanks for the reply.
Many from this page entered?

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13 Aug 2018 19:15:38
I think the code I used for this page was 2705078-672891.

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13 Aug 2018 19:24:59
That might explain it as I was going to say does anyone actually work in Liverpool or just sign on the giro and wear purple shell track suits with 80s music blasting from the boom box and playing football manager
Sorry Scousers 😀😀
Or maybe betty should have reposted it a few times😀😀.

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13 Aug 2018 19:32:19
420? Light it up bruh!

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13 Aug 2018 20:18:23
League, I do appreciate the irony of you repeatedly posting about a repost.
Sometimes it's better to let people assume you are stupid rather than opening your mouth and removing any doubt.
I don't know why you have suddenly shown such an interest in me - I don't ever remember offending you - but maybe we should just be grown ups and stop the silliness?

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13 Aug 2018 20:29:10
League? Leahy obviously.

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13 Aug 2018 21:33:26
Sorry for upsetting you betty, I was just having a laugh about it. Trying to make light of it only.

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13 Aug 2018 21:55:53
No issue my end Leahy. Still don't know what prompted it in the first place.
Clean slate and all that.

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13 Aug 2018 22:26:13
Clean forgot. Best start in years as well 😏.

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13 Aug 2018 11:46:39
The Predictions competition is up and running, 60 entries so far. Search for Predictions and it’s the first post, link at the bottom for you to enter. We had almost 200 enter last year..

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13 Aug 2018 12:23:01
I must say fair play Tony, I can't believe your paying for an all expenses paid three week cruise around the Carribbean for this year's winner. I might have to enter a few more more times. Lol.

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13 Aug 2018 13:08:01
It will still be blackpool for me with my track record for 200th place.

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13 Aug 2018 15:48:34
Can't find the link lads, I want to give Ken competition for 200th place.

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13 Aug 2018 18:43:03
Search for Predictions and it’s the second post there, link is at the bottom of the post.

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13 Aug 2018 19:18:06
I'm in. Have us as perennialrunners up.

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13 Aug 2018 21:55:41
Thanks AJH all done. Going for an all Manchester Champions league Final 😆😆.

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13 Aug 2018 22:27:31
How do you get the time to do this, Tony? You're obviously a mere minion, and not your own boss 😉.

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14 Aug 2018 06:33:39
It’s not a great deal of work Stevie unless you chnage all the categories (which I didn’t) . The biggest issue is people using different terms for the same team - United, Man United, ManU Manchester United, MUFC, and so on.

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13 Aug 2018 08:08:43
People can say what they want about Rooney, but he simply pulled pure magic out this weekend and his effort to fight until the end is something rarely seen in football anymore. Well done WR10.

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13 Aug 2018 12:25:25
Had a little smile when I saw that. Brilliant from Rooney.

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13 Aug 2018 13:31:28
If he was fighting until the end he wouldn't be playing in mls at 31.
Great play all the same.

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13 Aug 2018 15:03:25
Ah Ken can you not just be happy for him 😝

It was fantastic what he did. No matter what league he is playing in.

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13 Aug 2018 16:56:48
Angel it was great play like i said but he is too good for that league imo.

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13 Aug 2018 21:48:30
Epitomised what Rooney was to Utd throughout his career. Always tracked back sometimes as last person, worked for the team. However we Also needed him to be gready and be the one on the end of the cross and he could not be both.
Great player but definitely the right league to prolong his career for a number of years.

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13 Aug 2018 07:27:49
We all seem so obsessed by Pogba and an overdue reasonable performance (no more) by the team that we are failing to give credit to DDG - zero points without him once again.
Thanks David. Really glad you stayed. Like anew signing every season!

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13 Aug 2018 09:29:58
So glad Real Madrid have their keeper sorted. I can see De Gea for a very long time and he will go down as one of the greats in the league.

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13 Aug 2018 11:52:08
The least he deserves at this stage is a proper team in front of him.

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13 Aug 2018 13:24:28
i wouldn’t blame him either, the way they treat keepers is appalling. Navas has been very good for the past three years, and he’s shafted. Courtois’ first mistake will be scrutinised and i don’t know is he strong enough for the criticism that may come his way. At least De Gea will be appreciated at United.

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13 Aug 2018 23:19:15
Would a different keeper not have made the saved DDG made? No errors but the saves weren’t anything special on this occasion, you’d expect most keepers to save them.

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13 Aug 2018 06:34:24
Like everyone else I also liked Pogba's performance. I saw the match again and realized that we are so used to bogus football that a half decent performance by any of our players looks like world class to us. There were a couple of good ball by Pogba, a penalty and clearances. He lost the ball a few times while dribbling like he normally does which was a result of him trying to do too much instead of just passing. Now I'm not saying that it was not enough or his performance was bad. But us fans are making too much of it. Other team fans are so used to these things that this type of performance is considered average and it is what they expect from all their players. Hazard, De Bruyne, Silva, Kroos and others do this all on a consistent basis without losing the ball so many times. This might be a result of our style of play or whatever but we are making a lot out of an average performance.

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13 Aug 2018 15:47:49
I thought it was a pretty average or below average petformance from the team against a side that simply doesn't win away from home. They outplayed us in long parts amd ddg made three brilliant saves and Vardy missed a sitter before he scored. Against a better team, we would've lost.
Opening weekend showed us that we're way behind city, Liverpool and chelsea even. It'll be a struggle to get top4 and i saw nothing to inspire me.

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{Ed004's Note - I agree that a better side would have beaten us but there are positives to take from the game. Bare in mind we had a horrid preseason and we were missing atleast 4 regular first team players from last season, additionally, we had a few debutants in midfield and a half fit Pogba. Some players looked really impressive (Bailly, Shaw, Andreas and Pogba) while others looked like they were finding their feet (Lindelof and Fred). A few underperformed such as Sanchez, Mata and Rashford but Im sure this will improve when the midfield gels better and Jose gains more confidence in his back 2 pairing}

13 Aug 2018 23:20:22
Struggle to get top 4 😂😂.

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13 Aug 2018 06:31:11
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th August 2018

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12 Aug 2018 20:44:09
Pog had a very good game yesterday, i'm a big fan of his but his comments post game are embarassing and i think he should have to answer for them i.e strip him of the captaincy. May seem harsh but the captain of a team, FIRST game of the season should not be picking arguments - that's not what a mature captain does.

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12 Aug 2018 20:50:05
I don't think he is captain more a case of he was captain for that game .
I think he was making a point to be honest, Jose has had plenty to say about him.

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12 Aug 2018 21:07:54
Pogba did what Pogba always does.

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12 Aug 2018 21:16:42
Watching him friday night though, wearing the armband after all the 'he wants out' stories i just thought its honna be another liverpool performance from him as he prob doesn't care

But he was brilliant, the player we have wanted every game.

Then he hoes and has a pop, he probably did owe jose a comment or 2 but i'd still have rather he kept shut and just played like that to shut everyone up.

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12 Aug 2018 21:40:45
On Friday he worked of the ball, which is what he done for France and what he never done last year .
Maybe the penny dropped.

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12 Aug 2018 21:21:31
He played okay, he wasn't startling. But it was his first proper run out since world cup final, so I don't think anyone was expecting startling.

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12 Aug 2018 22:00:48
I think jred has a point. Why is it okay for the manager to come out to the media and slate a player yet that same player isn't allowed to suggest to the press that his relationship with that manager isn't as good as it could be?

If there is two sides to every argument then why shouldn't we hear both sides?

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12 Aug 2018 22:04:17
I don't know but he probably had it in his head for the last few weeks. Barcelona
Can see him going 8n january.

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12 Aug 2018 23:23:47
Leahy
Or he might have it in is head the manager doesn't want him.

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13 Aug 2018 00:05:04
Or he may just realise the manager was right all along and all the pundits were right for a prolonged period he was not playing well he was sloppy he was not concentrated and was not working hard enough in attack or defence.
Sure they have had a row but its time to put it to bed for everyones sake.
I don't believe deschamps asked anything more from him than jose does really.
He should keep his head down now the window has closed and let his football do the talking if he excels and is succesful and still wants a move then adress it next summer.
Pogba proved in the summer he is at his best when he has a point to prove. Jose imo threw out the olive branch trusted him to start and made him captain and praised him publicly post match. I hope they both let it rest now and get on with their jobs.

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13 Aug 2018 00:44:50
That too jred.

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13 Aug 2018 04:01:08
Ken mourinho and Deschamps expect different things from pogba, for France pogba isn't their go to guy in attack he is the support cast, it's griezmann and mbappe who are the main players there. At utd when ever we look stuck the ball goes to pogba, he is expected to create chances. If you want a player to defend more you need to take the responsibility of being the creative force from him, sadly the 500k ji sung park has miserably failed to do the job he was bought for.

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13 Aug 2018 05:05:39
Shappy, haven't you been criticizing the manager at every given chance, and more, precisely for this reason that he openly criticizes his player. So, come on now ne fair and criticize Pogba. Two wrongs don't make a right. We know by now you don't like Jose.

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13 Aug 2018 07:30:41
United addict, your right Pogba shouldn't be saying these things in the press. He should look to his manager and follow his example. Oh wait he did.

That is one of the many reasons why I have criticized Jose for publicly slating the players. It creates a poor work environment and undermines trust between the manager and the players. Half our squad want out apparently, how much of that is down to the manager constantly throwing them under the bus is unclear but I'm sure it doesn't help.

You can't expect to constantly publicly slate a person and not expect a retort.

That sort of behaviour is very damaging to the dressing room as we can see. Furthermore there is no need for it, what does Jose expect to gain from it?

He has tried it at every club and it is clear that it doesn't work anymore. Maybe in the 80's and 90's you could have got away with it. Maybe even in the early 00's. But players have too much power and are too pampered and sensitive to act in such a way anymore.

Pogba shouldn't be speaking out publicly, however this whole situation was created by Jose and his poor man management.

Jose is twice Pogba's age, he should know better.

Paul shouldn't be speaking out like that, especially when he has just captained the side for the first time. However, like I said we have heard Jose's side of the argument, we should be allowed to hear Pogba's.

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13 Aug 2018 08:07:33
So Martial and Pogba make half the team for you now Shappy? Even the great english media only name these two who want out "apparently".

Agree that Jose has called this upon himself and he should be careful. But i think this has worked on Shaw. Only 1 game isn't the true picture but let's hope he buckles dowm now.

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13 Aug 2018 09:10:19
Depay, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Darmian, Rooney, Blind have all left or want to leave. All wanted to leave after being coached by Jose. Fellaini and Rashford have supposedly considered their futures at United under Jose. Pogba and Martial obviously are the ones that are talked about most atm.

So that's 10 players who have left or are/ have been rumoured to want to leave. I haven't included DDG as he was considering moving home rather than wanting to leave.

So I think 10 players is enough to constitute saying half a team.

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{Ed002's Note - They did not leave because the did not want to be coached by Mr Mourinho. It is as ridiculous as saying Cristiano Ronaldo left because of Ferguson's coaching.}

13 Aug 2018 11:20:57
Shappy, to be fair most of those players were moved on because their performances were not good enough, or were deemed surplus to requirements. Depay was not ready for the step up, Schneiderlin looked a top player for Southampton but never came close to showing it for United. Schweinsteiger was an expensive and foolish signing at his age and stage of career. Darmain started well and went backwards. Blind was a useful squad player and wanted to leave for more first team football, and Rooney is coming to the end of his career and is simply no longer good enough for the EPL.
Fellaini and Mourinho clearly have a mutual respect, so no issue there. Rashford has lots of potential, but has not taken his chances on a regular basis, and has probably not deserved to start much more than he has.
That leaves Pogba and Martial. I think most agree that they have both flattered to deceive and have under performed. Jose may not have handles these issues particularly well, but most of Pogba's and Martials issues are, to a large extent, self inflicted.
Pogba looked a different player altogether at the world cup, but International football is very different to the EPL, so its not really comparing apples with apples.

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13 Aug 2018 12:07:17
Shappy, i have been reading your posts for a while now and they have mostly come out as well thought out and reasonable (even though we don't agree on Jose), but this post of yours is simply THE MOST RIDICULOUS post. Ed02 has already replied and i would have used the exact same example. All of those players weren't good enough for United. Is Fellaini that good thay you are bringing him up in this discussion? Rashford played the most minutes for United last season, has he considered his future. If yes, then that has gone under the radar of the English media.

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13 Aug 2018 12:37:44
All of those player left because they felt they weren't getting enough game time under Mourinho.

So therefore they were unhappy with an aspect of life at our club under Mourinho which was under Mourinho's control.

Some of them have moved on and played very well elsewhere, let's not pretend all the players Mourinho sells go on to flop elsewhere. In fact some go onto become top footballers, our first choice striker for instance.

Mourinho failed to get the best out of them. In many cases he didn't give them a chance and they went on to prove him wrong.

Its no surprise that it is the creative chance taking players Jose has a problem with. Also the biggest problem he has with them is their defensive work rate, which probably shouldn't be the bench mark for an offensive player.

Jose's style is to create a siege mentality, by to do that you need someone to fight with. Jose has a habit of looking for fight too close to home, which invariably leads to the players turning on him.

Look at how the players celebrated with Shaw last Friday after he scored. Does that look like the reaction of players who would back Jose's treatment of Shaw over the last two years or players who'll stand behind their teammate and be unhappy with the public blastings he has received.

The whole point of this thread was is Pogba in the right to come out and say what he did? The answer is no, but this is just Jose's chickens coming home to roost.

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13 Aug 2018 13:21:44
Shaps, don't think too many would disagree with that. I just don't think the examples you gave quite fitted in with the reality of the situation - but I get where you are coming from. I certainly felt - and said - the same about the Luke Shaw goal celebration.

I just don't agree that the list of players you gave all left / will leave because of the way Jose has treated them.

Jose has certainly not got the best out of some of the players, and has not treated some of them very well.

But at some stage, some of these players need to be accountable for their own performances. To blame Jose for ALL of their shortcomings it just giving the players a free pass for their own poor performances.

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13 Aug 2018 13:35:33
Nonsense shappy. For someine who used to be objectove your posts on jose don't carry any objectivity and are just biased and a load of clap trap. You're blinded by your dislike of the man.

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13 Aug 2018 15:06:38
Shappy, your bias is shining through here big time. You usually have very sensible posts but that one above, challenged by ed002 is ridiculous.

Blaming Jose now for players wanting to leave because of his coaching, madness to be honest.

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13 Aug 2018 17:29:31
Too much time in the uni bar shaps? 😂😂.

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13 Aug 2018 17:55:15
Ridiculous posts. Utterly ridiculous. Jose sells those who were never good enough to play for our club bought by other managers and still gets it in the neck.

No wonder Ed02 calls our fans out as toxic. Absolutely and utterly ridiculoous.

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