28 Sep 2015 13:37:11
Looking at the weird start to the season by all clubs in the PL with any one club potentially bagging points on any given day I feel we have got ourselves into a great spot. I know it may be early still but in my opinion we have our destiny in our own hands at the minute and our chances at the title are ours to blow at the moment.
28 Sep 2015 13:53:44
You know what I read the first 3 lines then and was thinking wow this is going to be a fully positive post! Never mind, almost there.
28 Sep 2015 14:01:26
What isn't postive about that post? I have said we are in a good postion and started well and put ourselves in contention. What is negative GDS2?
28 Sep 2015 14:01:28
JMB,
We have no chance of winning the title as according to yourself in a number of posts already this season we will NEVER win a major trophy under lvg
28 Sep 2015 14:19:23
I don't think we will Bilko, that is my opinion which I am of the belief I am allow to air, no? I want to be wrong but that is my view at the moment.
What I am saying is we have done well to put ourselves in pole at this early stage of the season and theoretically as long as we avert complete disaster we could have a strong season. Do you understand?
28 Sep 2015 15:14:08
haha maze. i feel for you. you can never win:)
28 Sep 2015 15:17:23
Maybe we are putting words in your mouth here but it seems like you are saying that in our current position we should be able to win the title therefore if we don't then we can blame the manager for throwing it away.
Or am I reading things between the lines that aren't there?
This seems like a set up post to justify slagging of the manager at a later date as you can't slag him off at the moment.
Unfortunately when you are as outspoken about the manager as you have been, it makes people suspicious when you post something mildly positive especially when you write further down that you are still of the opinion that the manager will not win anything.
28 Sep 2015 15:31:15
Lol, I'm finding it hard to see what maze has said that negative here.
He's right, in a season if crazy results we have got ourselves in a great spot.
That's not negative.
28 Sep 2015 15:46:17
Chris I think its about what he is implying between the lines.
28 Sep 2015 15:53:40
maze
you can't win, if you talked about snooker some would turn it into a lvg post
28 Sep 2015 15:54:21
So maze jmb rollo what you are really saying is this.
We won't win anything
But we have our destiny in our hands and possibly should win it.
So you are right either way?
You have said or squad is weak.
You have said we are thin on the ground.
You have said the coach is useless.
You have said or football is outdated
You have said we don't have the correct players for several positions
so with all this wrong maze jmb rollo surely only a fanatic coach could even compete. No?
28 Sep 2015 16:22:43
Don't be silly jred, LvG doesn't even like Snooker. The pockets don't fit with his philosophy. lol.
Look guys its simple, If Maze comes back on here toward the end of the season or next summer after we haven't won the league and complains that LvG has thrown away the league and we should have won it after a good start and he should be sacked for it then me and GDS will have called it right and seen what was written between the lines. If however we lose the league and Maze doesn't throw this post back in everyones face then I apologise for seeing something that wasn't intended. Its that simple.
His final line "our chances at the title are ours to blow at the moment" and who do you think he will blame if that happens?
28 Sep 2015 16:23:46
some people see lvg everywhere
28 Sep 2015 16:34:31
Jred have you not read Maze/jmbs posts over the period of time that he has been posting on this site. He has consistently said we will not win anything under LVG, I believe he posted that line down the bottom of his posts on numerous occasions. So excuse some of us for being confused when he posts something slightly positive and contradictory.
We question some of the posts and hope that the poster will tell us why he is thinking that way. You can't go into this 'oh everything turns into LVG post' when those that you defend have nearly at every chance turned their own posts into anti LVG.
28 Sep 2015 16:57:38
shaps
you seem to have forgot that united are bigger than lvg its not all about him .
i made the point the other day its very hard to talk football on this site because some people are so defensive over lvg.
you can't even suggest a young lad gets a run out in the league cup with out some making it about lvg .
angel
maze has made his views clear about lvg in the past but we are top of the league and playing well.
as far as i can see he has been big enough to acknowledge that .
which makes a change on this site to be honest .
i don't see a lot wrong with his post
28 Sep 2015 17:47:54
Jred, Obviously it's not all about LvG. He will be a manager of Manchester United for a few years at most in what is over a 100 years of club history.
But when you question why is a player not playing in a game, guess what it is the manager who makes that decision.
Most posts on here are based around the decisions being made by the manager of the club, whether that be how we are playing, how we rotate players or who we sign. All these things are decided by the manager. So surely questioning them is in some way questioning the manager?
How come its fine for some posters to blame everything on LvG? Yet when anyone defends him in any way you come on here and state it's not all about LvG.
Sounds like your favourite saying of "double standards" to me.
I know you were never keen on LvG being given the job in the first place, but you have been smarter than most of those in the LvG haters fan club in that you have tended to not over state your opinion rather just come on and stoke the fire and defend a few people as and when you felt they needed it.
I've been labelled as Pro-LvG when in fact I'm Pro-Man Utd. I just feel supporting the club tends to mean backing the players and the management until a point that they show they can't do what is needed.
I supported Moyes even though I felt he wasn't the right choice. And I continued to up until February when it became clear the club was in a downward spiral that Moyes was unable to pull us out of.
Like wise I felt LvG was a much better fit for our club, although not a perfect fit. I knew somethings he would do well and others would causes us problems. But I support him and will continue to until it becomes clear that can't take the club any further forward. Up until now I feel my support for him has been justified. We are top of the league for the first time since Sir Alex retired and the squad has been improved and we are hard to beat. It's not perfect but personally considering how much needed to be done I feel the manager has done a good job.
Is there a manager out their who could have done a better job? Possibly, were they available/willing to take the challenge? Probably not.
I just think too many people live somewhere between cloud nine and their xbox and seem to think everything should be rosy and we should be winning every game 5-0 playing the best football in the history of the sport and the club should be doing it with the manager they want and with they players they decided we should sign while playing the formation and tactics they think best. Even then I think most of the pessimists would find something to complain about.
Ah well I'll go back to my Half full glass. lol
28 Sep 2015 18:12:15
shaps
on moyes you tried to tell me he was a good choice as everton played like dourtmund .
on lvg i have made my point many times before a ball was even kicked.
i don't like his style of play its not my type of football, he won the title at munich but the football was poor on the eye and one of the reasons he got sacked and the fans wanted.
i don't think he is some tactical genius that some like to make him out to be .
that said i said last season i think we will get 4th and i have said i think we will get 2nd this year.
but i haven't seen anything that changed my opinion on lvg.
there are a few on here who think lvg can do no right and don't miss a chance to tell you.
but there are also a few who think he can do no wrong.
and because of this is making it difficult to discuss anything else
as always the truth is probably in the middle
28 Sep 2015 18:58:59
Jred,
I don't think there's anyone on here who
thinks lvg can do no wrong .
28 Sep 2015 19:18:36
bilko
there are one or two who seem to argue he can do no wrong .( i could of guessed who would of replied )
but look i'm not a5sed with all this again .
in short i don't think there is much wrong with maze op
28 Sep 2015 20:20:23
Oh jred, I do love the way you bring up past disscussions to try and support you current views like a girlfriend throwing past things said back in your face when shes losing an arguement.
I said there were similarities to the way Moyes set up his Everton side to that of how Klopp set up Dortmund. Not that they played exclusivly the same. Both used a high press and doubled up on the wings to create overloads. Klopp liked his team to press more ruthlessly and attack more, where as Moyes tended to play at a slower tempo and was more diligent defensively.
But that's by the by now. Both are only history of those clubs now.
I disagree that a few think LvG can do no wrong, as far as I am aware everyone has had at least one gripe about something LvG has done as no one will agree with everything.
But you are right in that a few think he can do no right. They also happen to be some of the loudest and most frequent posters. And as I've said in any disscussion the louder you argue the louder people will argue back.
I think many posters who have a very balanced view of the manager are being wrongly labelled by you as LvG lovers just because they will stand up time and again when these LvG haters post.
I have had some very good disscussions about the management but it then gets silly when these LvG haters come out in far too strong and opposition.
28 Sep 2015 20:41:30
shaps
you brought moyes up pal.
ive had some good disscussions about lvg but the haters and the pro come out far to strong.
like I've said i couldn't even get a crack going the other day about " should wilson get a game in the league cup ".
28 Sep 2015 22:36:30
Wow the amount of folk obsessed with LVG on here is crazy. My post was about Man Utd not LVG. You can't win.
29 Sep 2015 06:13:09
Maze
To say the title is ours to blow is ridiculous at this stage of the season and to be honest appears to set up LVG for your criticism if we don't go on to win it.
SAF blew a title with 5 games to go and an 8 point lead so until it is won nothing is certain. The title is not ours to blow, that is just mind blowing arrogance or setting up LVG to fail or indeed both.
29 Sep 2015 14:09:01
Did I say the title is sewn up or did I say we have put ourselves in a good postion?