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02 May 2024 06:22:08
Fantastic performance last night from Sancho, the kid was full of confidence and taking the full back on at every opportunity.
Surely a win-win situation for United if he can keep it up for the next few weeks as he may hit it off with a new manager or can put himself in the shop window for other clubs.

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02 May 2024 06:51:07

Interesting, one of the observations from the commentators was that up to recently, he had slowed down and was more negative looking to go backwards after his period at Utd, but now is starting to be like he used to be. I watched last night and he was excellent, trying to get behind his fullback, what we the fans wanted him to do here, however, everything Antony doesn’t do. It seems obvious Sancho was given tactical instruction that negated his effectiveness. That does not excuse what he did. Still good to see him have such a good game and MOM.

02 May 2024 08:20:42
Look. If we get a new manager and if both parties want to give it another crack, then he solves a huge problem area in the squad. Young, English player, who we clearly haven’t seen the best of - but who in that squad have we seen the best of under ten Hag? Maybe Dalot?

So many judgmental people in society these days, execution by social media with such binary views. Throw him away, get rid etc. it’s all pretty gross. If it’s Tuchel, the way he plays his wide men at Bayern, Sancho could he a useful addition back to the squad, and could be an exciting option for us.

We are getting a reputation for being the graveyard of footballers, destroying careers. Rehabilitating a reinstated Sancho could be a good shout for our club, and on the pitch too.

Couldn’t care less if he hated ETH, by all accounts he’s a pain in the ass. None of us work well when we don’t like our leaders at work.

02 May 2024 08:31:21
It seems sancho has got his mojo back so it makes you think what potential talent MU have at present in strikers Rashford, Garnacho, Greenwood, Hojlund, Sancho possibly as good as you get in the premier or Europe.
Zero cost to MU in transfer market over the next five plus or more years for strikers if individuals had been managed properly!

02 May 2024 08:50:16
Hopefully they sign him permanently off the back of it.

02 May 2024 08:59:15
Pleased for him. He has gone through a tough time. Nice to see him happy and enjoying his football.
Nice to play with freedom and be allowed express himself.
Brilliant home support too.

02 May 2024 09:25:08
Nice to see a wide player run a full back. Ours seem instructed to pass back and inside, if you don’t you get taken off. Refreshing last night to see forward passing by midfield players, wide players attacking full backs on both sides and forwards attacking the ball. We don’t see it at OT at the moment, it’s not in the process.

02 May 2024 09:41:02
Supposedly the most amount of dribbling (whatever that means) by half-time than in any of his 58 Utd appearances. Maybe a new-found confidence, not that he seemed lacking in that area.
The Chelsea loanee at Lb Maatsen looks decent, could he be an option? He's Dutch so I'm amazed his name hasn't come up.

02 May 2024 09:53:25
The most predictable thing that was going to happen today was people coming on her to praise Sancho and use it as another negative towards ETH. If Sancho can do what he did last night, he's the sort of character I do not want at the club. Hopefully Dortmund will put their hand in their pockets now and stump up for him.

02 May 2024 11:03:18
Or Ports, he’s being instructed to be a winger and okay like a winger again, unlike anybody but Garnacho in our squad.

02 May 2024 11:21:31
If you can’t see the difference in coaching I would be surprised. It won’t be long until taking on the full back is coached out of Garnacho. He will start doing the same as Antony, who has had years of ETH coaching. Then if ETH stays, Garnacho will be off. In two years we will be watching Garnacho run rings round full backs for Real Madrid, pleased for him like we were for Sancho.
Sancho was wrong in what he did, yet it is well known ETH is difficult, but also we can see wide players are passing back, inside across. If you are a forward, a wide player that isn’t football you want to play.
Maybe we can get the Dortmund coach, seems to know how to get a team to play forward.

02 May 2024 11:46:40
OMG - Sancho has a decent game and it's all ETH'S fault.
How fickle are some of the supporters on here.
Absolute joke!

02 May 2024 11:56:53
It's not about a difference in coaching, it's about energy and effort and coaches aren't there to coach those areas, that's non-negotiable. Whether you agree with the coaches tactics and instructions is one thing but you give 100% at all times. Sancho made a choice every time he put on the United shirt. He didn't perform for Solskjaer, Rangnik and never performed for England when played. He has a massive attitude problem. No one has ever questioned his ability.

02 May 2024 12:14:19
Plenty of differing views which is nice to see.

02 May 2024 12:38:24
Good point Ports, When you consider the number of managers who have had questions about Sancho down the years (this includes Dortmund and outside our club) the issue definitely lies with him.
Should the club, coaches be able to get more from him. yes. Does this make it not his issue. no.

This is another case of it best all round if he moves and both sides get a clean break.

02 May 2024 13:10:16
We all knew he was good at Dortmund and that’s why we paid £75m and awarded him with over £300k per week!

Is it really a surprise he’s returned to Dortmund and is playing better again?

I hope if EtH returns to Ajax and suddenly becomes a good manager again some posters will say the same thing?

By the way it’s ONE decent game!

I almost hadn’t noticed he was poor for Ole and Rangnick, his attitude and temperament questionable by other coaches, let’s just blame EtH for that as well.

Come let’s have some sensible debate please.

02 May 2024 13:11:32
As a fan who grew up in awe of the great wingers Utd have had since the mid eighties this is the position in the team I'm always drawn to, the tricky little guys who excite the crowd and create the chances for the guy in the middle. I appreciate the role has changed a bit in recent years with all the tracking back and energetic pressing but even so, these are the players I love to watch most. He was great last night, dare I say if he wasn't who he was and there isn't a history he'd be a player we'd be crying out for right now. We only have Garnacho who plays like those wingers of old. Hope we can snare another crowd-pleaser in the transfer window. Someone that gets you off your seat like Mitoma or Neto. Looks like Olise is a target, I'd love to see Eze instead but he's more central.

02 May 2024 13:24:10
Are you the self nominated arbitrator for what's sensible?
Best point you've made in ages there dlib
"I hope eth goes back to Ajax"
I'm glad you've seen the right way forward.
Nearly all managers fail at some point.
Can be a load of reasons for that.
Eth has failed at united to meet minimum expectations imo.
This does not mean he won't be a success again elsewhere.
Just like plenty of our players deemed useless and lazy by fans including your good self.
Mata lukaku sanchez herrera blind Di Maria darmian to name a few have all won titles and leagues since they left.
So your right eth will be seen as a decent manager again somewhere else. Let's hope that's as early as next season.

02 May 2024 13:37:41
Sensible debate? When I suggested we shouldn’t sign Sancho on here i got the usual pile on. When I suggested Ousmane Dembele for far less money usual pile on.

Is sensible debate ignoring that our wide players pass back and inside but when Sancho played well we must ignore it to save ETH shortfalls?

Yes one game and I didn’t like Sancho attitude but there is a clear issue with coaching wide players when we watch Antony.

02 May 2024 14:07:30
Not won titles and leagues in England though. Turkey, Italy and France? Not comparable to the Premier League so to use them in your defence of Sancho to support your criticism of ETH (which is what you are trying to do) is not reasonable.

Perhaps acknowledgement that Sancho is not cut out for the Premier League and did himself no favours in trying to be successful in England is a fairer reflection on the player and has zero to do with ETH. And perhaps ETH is not cut out for the Premier League and would go on and be successful for Bayern for example. But are the minimum expectations different at Ajax or Munich to United? So why do you think he will be seen as a decent manager elsewhere to United? What is stopping that happening at United? What stopped Mourinho, serial winner, winning the league? LVG a CV to match some of the best? Why didn't United take of with McKenna as a first team coach? 8 different managers since Sir Alex Ferguson have all failed to meet your expectations it would seem.

02 May 2024 14:11:04
Red Man - My apologies I didn’t mean to be offensive or antagonistic.

I just don’t think the coaching has anything to do with it, Sancho had been ineffective at Utd under different managers not just EtH.

Him playing better at Dortmund shouldn’t be a surprise, that’s why we paid all that money for him in the first place.

I understand the frustration with the manager but I don’t think Sancho should be used as another stick to beat him!

02 May 2024 14:23:11
Like you spenno I believe our wingers have always been the backbone of our creativity.
Going back to Hill And Copple olden giggs Sharpe Beckham giggs.
Few dodgy ones through the years In milne poporsky etc.
I accept the game has changed somewhat but when you look at the best teams they still exploit the wide areas better than anybody.
We don't.
Our full backs go into midfield not up the line. Leaving our wingers with options on the inside only more often than not.
It's a clear tactical choice and one that does not sit well with me it's not pleasing on the eye.
Anthony has been coached that way by eth for 4 years.
When garnacho is on the left he does likewise as does rashford and sancho was handcuffed and frustrated by it obviously. Amad can't get a look in as it goes against his nature.
I'm dumbfounded that eth thinks we are one of the most dynamic and attacking teams.
Can anybody honestly say we would score less and concede more under Southgate?
I'm not advocating Southgate BTW.
But the complaint about him is he is too defensive and careful and not adventurous. Well neither is ETH.

02 May 2024 14:29:39
So you think we shouldn't have signed Sancho, presumably because you felt like he wasn't good enough, we did sign him (not ETH) . ETH doesn't give him games, perhaps he to felt he wasn't good enough, questions his effort (despite supporting him for 4 months (I also recall you being very passionate about selling Rashford because he doesn't offer 100%) ) he leaves and plays a good game and now it's ETH shortfall that, that has happened? But to support that you will criticise Antony's performances because he is coached by ETH but completely ignore Garnacho's performances, who ETH promoted to the senior set up? By the way, Garnacho has made less backwards passes than Foden and Saka and only 13 more than Luiz Diaz and 26 more than Salah.

02 May 2024 14:34:17
I agree with Ports think they’ve made some very good points.

02 May 2024 14:35:16
Weed, "Are you the self nominated arbitrator for what's sensible? "
We all thought is your position on here.

02 May 2024 14:51:17
Ports none of those players played under eth. What are you talking about.
Those players that fans have deemed useless before are not useless.
They may have been useless at united like sancho has been but they are still very good players.
I never used them as a stick to beat eth you just have a bee in your bonnet and are jumping to mad hypothesise.
To use them in my defence of sancho?? what defence of sancho? Where have I defended him . Really you do need to stop fighting a point that didn't exist. Take a nice deep breath and point out to me where I've defended sancho. Please.

02 May 2024 15:01:18
Ports can you put a little context on those stats please?
As a percentage of total passes how many go backwards?
If foden for example makes twice as many passes as garnacho and they pass a similar number backwards then it would show that its a lot more common for garnacho to do it. That's why stats are not comparable unless you give the same criteria to each set of numbers.
Also how often do each lose possession?
A backwards pass under pep is berated in training (there are many videos of it, worth a watch) if a forward pass is on. The flipside is if the player passes backwards the players who don't give forward options are also singled out and lashed out if it. Its coaching and standards.

02 May 2024 15:12:06
'We all thought' who the bash street kids??
Nah just out on the boat trying hard not to laugh out loud too often. Frightens the fish. Not setting any agendas at all.

02 May 2024 15:14:01
''Nice to play with freedom and be allowed express himself'' If that's not a backhanded jibe at ETH and not defending Sancho I don't know what is?

To be fair, I did misinterpret your post about those players. I assumed you meant Sancho will be successful playing away from United and that you were directly relating that to him not playing for ETH. Apologise.

02 May 2024 15:18:57
Ports moyes I called to be fired.
Lvg I did not as it meant abandoning a succession plan they had in place.
Jose I did not want fired, although I do think he should have resigned the day the window shut and they backed the players over him.
Ole just a complete waste of space.
That's 4 managers 2 fell below expectations
How many of those did you want fired ports?

02 May 2024 15:29:18
No apology required ports.
That was not a back handed jibe at eth it was a straight forward jibe.
He does not allow the players that freedom he says so himself.
It was not defending sancho it was praising him.
He played well last night with freedom in a system that allows that.
It's not defending his time here.
Take the bee out of your bonnet wazza and fizzy pops could do the same.
Don't be concerned with my views stick to and defend your own.
I'll debate them all day but some just don't like being disagreed with and get offended.
I've been called worse than a pita by a stranger on the Web if he thinks that, then that's cool with me.

02 May 2024 17:05:25
I didn’t want Moyes in the first place, thought the job was to big at that time. Needed an ego and big personality to replace SAF, arguably the hardest job in football. I always felt Mourinho at United should have been after SAF. Didn’t want LVG sacked. But like you said why Mourinho should have resigned, after that I have backed every manager above the players. Playing for Manchester United should be a privilege, as is managing Manchester United. I see Managers working harder, maybe not getting everything right but working harder in their role than some players in theirs.

As for the pass backwards I have always stated on here stats are nothing without context but I put this stat up on here because people using it as a negative but the top players do it to so unless your prepared to back it up with something, a throwaway pass backwards comment to be critical means nothing. Now for me, there are so many contributing factors to things in football. Often Garnacho is the furthest forward so only direction he can pass is backwards. Could he put more crosses in? But do we get enough players in the box which is why he doesn’t? Foden makes more passes but City keep the ball better. We don’t keep the ball well and control the game so is that what we are trying to achieve? I don’t have the answers and unless a United player comes on here or tv and tells us what exactly goes on we are all making assumptions.

Fernandes is hammered for giving away possession but he trieds those high risk forward passes more than anyone, should he pass backwards more?!

For me, people are now just looking at anything to criticise the manager now and once again, players are absolved of all responsibility and this is my biggest issue with the players and why I will back the manager as I just see the same cycle repeating itself. I hope INEOS can change that, with or without ETH, but I think ETH deserves til Christmas at least to work for them.

02 May 2024 17:43:15
I can't see one reason to keep him at all.

02 May 2024 17:58:31
No apologies needed


I find it hard to believe when watching Antony that anyone cannot see what has been coached. Garnacho will be affected like that as time goes by, if he stays. I posted last week about the pass map for two of our midfield players, sideways, back, almost never forward. I closely watched Antony in the Sheffield Utd game, played everything back, that’s against the worst defensive team in the league. You can see it. As a player do you enjoy that?
I have said that for some time, not just now.

02 May 2024 20:59:52
Seen it all now!
The usual EtH haters using SANCHO as a reason to find an angle to have a go.
Well said Ports! It was as predictable as death and taxes.


03 May 2024 12:39:01
Fickle bunch. One game and suddenly he is mbappe that needs to be appreciated. Watch a few bundes liga games I recommend, although the season is almost over.

Glad for him and hope we get decent value from selling him. He is not a united player. At what we are supposedly willing to let him go and how good he suddenly is there must be a line of teams waiting to buy him. let see summer is not too far away.

People have short memories and forget the groans as he played the same way but lost the ball over and over and every 50/ 50 ball, it just happens on one night it came off for him.

Barcola looked worldly vs Barcelona and was terrible vs Dortmund. go figure :)

03 May 2024 13:47:35

How does Antony look to you when he passes the ball back and across, never goes at his full back? He doesn’t lose the ball so that must make him a raging success.

04 May 2024 08:34:35

Sancho has 3 goals and 2 assists since joining dortmund playing pretty much every game. You are so fickle and look for an angle to blame eth for every thing. He had a good night that all.

if he had those numbers at united playing every game since jan, you would be the first to call for eth head for playing him.

Similar numbers to antony btw given games played. Neither good enough for united imo. Never been a fan of antony and was quite vocal about that yonkers ago.



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