04 Apr 2024 18:15:24
Ed033 just wondering if you could do a poll please.
Who has been a been success at Manchester United. Bruno Fernández or John o shea?
Some people seem to judge success by team and others by individual numbers so just curious.
Personally I feel that a player that plays well as an individual but the team have no success, has not been successful.
Appreciate it.
{Ed033's Note -
Bruno / O'Shea poll
04 Apr 2024 22:50:37
five Premier League titles, one FA Cup, two Football League Cups, four FA Community Shields, the FIFA Club World Cup and the UEFA champions league
Vs
One league Cup.
How is this even a question?
04 Apr 2024 23:11:02
No I get that manc man.
I don't think any player can consider himself a success at united unless they are part of a serial winning team.
It's a team game and as a result if the teams not winning or competing then no player is a success. Not necessarily a failure but individual stats are not a measure of a successful player for me.
Naming all the world class or top players that have never won a league or cl or at worst in there competing to win the big prizes is a fairly short list. I can't consider Bruno a success until he wins or improves us considerably as a team.
05 Apr 2024 02:28:41
It depends what you consider a success though? Successful transfer or what? Liverpool fans dislike Coutinho for his faking injuries to force a move, and they won the CL the year after he left. But prior to that they loved him. He also only cost €10m or around that and was sold for €150m roughly. He played well and was mostly instrumental to most of the good things for the years he was there. Didn’t win anything, but providing entertainment whilst he was there + providing a massive profit to fund moves for Alisson and VVD, is undoubtedly a success.
Think if Bruno was sold a year or so ago at his peak value, most would have considered him a success, regardless of trophy cabinet. He’d have provided goals + assists, provided a profit on him etc. I think he’s selfish + petulant and all that’s wrong with the game with his diving + whining constantly. He was bought for €55m + €25m add ons (which given there was no success, I doubt most of them were achieved) selling him for €100m at his peak value a year or 2 ago would have been considered a success imo.
05 Apr 2024 08:49:43
Depends which era of Bruno we're talking.
I get that there's a whiny petulant character in there that no-one likes but. we have literally only 2 or 3 players who can make something out of nothing and he's one.
I'm not a fan at present, and don't think he should be captain next season, but the player we signed was magic in that first season.
05 Apr 2024 10:18:10
Bit of a dumb and irrelevant question in my view. Opinions may vary.
05 Apr 2024 10:31:59
That's why I asked the question Fizz to understand how opinions vary.
A lot of younger fans look at individuals and not the team.
Bit of a dumb reply and irrelevant in my view as opinions should vary.