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05 May 2019 15:55:30
GDS2 I implore you to show me the positives. You wanted me to post positivities. Tell me what. Tell me what Ole has done for me to be convinced that he is the man for the job. That was a relegated team, 20th position.

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05 May 2019 15:59:36
That was dross if Jose was ere we would be calling for his head.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right eric..

05 May 2019 16:03:36
I’m with you, I see no positives. I wouldn’t let OGS rebuild but the club probably will and like it or not the world class players will want Champions League, we will be looking at second rate players, or mercenaries being offloaded by the clubs that are rebuilding.

05 May 2019 16:07:31
they already are eric, he is going to be on a hiding to nothing next season. If we don't start well he will be gone by next December just like Mourinho. The bigger problem though is who gets rid of the moron who appointed him.

05 May 2019 16:07:39
I am calling for his head, but I hope it is sold as Ole realising he is totally out of his depth.

05 May 2019 16:13:27
Yes because these players aren’t to blame it’s the manager. Give it a rest, this is a pathetic bunch of cowards not Manchester United players.

05 May 2019 16:18:24
How on earth are players like jones still at the club, Sanchez even starting, why do we let rashford still take free kicks, he seems to think he is Ronaldo, stop him please, and I think his attitude has been poor lately, .
If we let Phelan become Technical Director it won’t get fixed, far too many mediocre players at the club.

05 May 2019 16:18:57
Just watch all the media experts who championed Ole for the job now change their tune and question the logic in appointing him. Redknapps the first to abandon ship. Experts my arse. Lovely man but this is the toughest job in world football at the minute. Don't think it will end well for him but who's the man to change things?

{Ed025's Note - thats the $64000 question porche..

05 May 2019 16:27:16
Porsche like it or not we had the man for the job till 6 months ago but we backed these players against the manager.

05 May 2019 16:47:01
Red man, I thought you said we can't keep bowing to the players and we need to get behind the manager?

Two-faced much?

05 May 2019 16:48:36
Yes because its all his fault that certain players make no effort.

The positive is that with each game maybe just how crap these players are sinks in with Woodward and he realises the scale of the mess he's made.

05 May 2019 17:00:46
Players are absolutely wqck and thr manager is out of hid depth. It dorsnt matter if he is a legend or not, this is Manchester United and he shouldn't have been appointed on emotions but i still believe he should get the backing just to get rid of the players which are not good enough and then we consider changing him next year.

It doesn't matter what manager comes, we will not win anything with the players we have at our disposal.

Id get rid of the whole team apart from Mata, De Gea and that is how bad the first team is.

05 May 2019 17:02:55
AAA, well done for prediciting that we won't win today, i actuqlly thought we would won by a few but i guess this is a new low in a must wn we end up drawing against the team that has won only 3 games.

05 May 2019 17:09:23
Shappy

The right manager definitely, I never called for Mourinho to go because he had demonstrated in prior roles, he knew what it took to sort it out but OGS has no pedigree whatsoever to give us any confidence he can sort this out. This isn’t just a few players not playing, this is having no obvious method, framework or structure in what we are trying to do on the pitch, not managing during the games and that is the managers responsibility. OGS has tried all different methods according to Neville but is that the work of a tactician or just someone who doesn’t know what is needed at that level, learning on the job. It isn’t good enough to just trust in someone, we need experienced hands who the players, those who are still here next season, trust and know will get it right because they have done it before. We failed to do any process, just appointed him after a few games, didn’t seem to consider anyone else and now we are paying for that decision. We wouldn’t appoint him now, we judged him on a few results and we need to realise the potential damage that is going to be done if he stays.

05 May 2019 17:18:37
RedMan there wasn't anyone else. The only other contender Woodward had in mind turned the job down. Says it all really.

05 May 2019 17:27:31
I can't deny I'd take poch now in a heartbeat. But I don't want ole to be sacked, I want him to quit and say he isn't up to the job.

This last few weeks has been so frustrating. We've had so many chances to claim top 4, more than I ever thought we'd get, and we were too pathetic to take it. Change needs to happen, and a lot of it. I don't see how we get top 4 next season. Best bet is europa league win which gives us champions league football the following year. That's huge pressure next season. I don't see the club in its current form succeeding and honestly don't know if this can even be turned around.

05 May 2019 17:29:26
Red Man, I must have missed it, but as your such a Jose expert could you point out when Mourinho has been a success during his third season at a club?

05 May 2019 17:32:54
No one would be a success with this team. Jose wanted to get rid of the rotten tomatoes but he didn't get a chance and toxics got thier way again.

05 May 2019 17:40:25
We took a chance taking ole on a full time basis. He should have got the job if he achieved anything which he hasn’t. Now the most important thing is to get the players out that need to go. Also identify the correct players that aren't just a quick fix. Its going to be difficult and there will be lots more days like today. Its infuriating watching the last few weeks but its were we are. We don’t deserve to be at the top we need to fight our way back. Ole needs to get a system in place that the players buy into. a lot of work to be done but we are united n we need to believe.

05 May 2019 17:42:39
I understand your annoyance and frustration redman. I also understand your point of view.
For me its just not fair to judge him in these players.
He has been tinkering with formations doing and trying all sorts in order to keep us competitive.
The players and squad he took over cannot play the way he wants then too. In fact just as jose told us they can't play any way . They are extremly poor players in the main. Technically tactically and physically. And mentally to that list also. Add morally to that list also. A poison running through the squad. The worst squad we've seen for 30 years.
Ole has no experience of a job of this magnitude he should not have been appointed until his trial was over.
But he has been.
Can he fix it? only time will tell but i think he should be given the opportunity to implement his ideas with players that he has coached pre season.
I ve been saying for 3 years that inheriting this squad was worse than the squad fergie got in 86.
Its rotten with big time charlies living the celebrity life thinking they are better than they are, when in fact they aren't even half as good as they think they are.
I'm gong to back ole until he rids himself of some of these players.

05 May 2019 17:46:04
Shappy

This isn’t about Jose, this is about who should be manager of our club now.

Mort, I seriously do not buy for one minute that there was no one else for the job. That was the same old argument used for Moyes appointment. Are some saying unemployed Antonio Conte would not want the role? He would have been better than the ex manager of Molde and Cardiff. He has less on his cv than Moyes.

The defence of a legend is admirable but he just is not the right man for such a job, he is out of his depth. I hope he walks away, sacking blemishes him but walk away now to let us rebuild from the top down.

05 May 2019 17:53:44
Ken

I agree on the players.

There is nothing to base supporting Ole on, we have no idea if he can turn this around. He hasn’t demonstrated tactical acumen nor leadership, nor has he extracted himself from SAF’s shadow. Do we just blindly carry on with our fingers crossed? Or be decisive now and get a manager who we have seen a piece of work showing they know what they are doing?

05 May 2019 18:13:43
I agree Redman, what sort of choice was he? It was all about sentiment.

05 May 2019 18:15:27
We don't do anything redman. Ww support imo. The decision has been made. Imo his job really only starts at 6pm next Sunday. From then on ill be happy with steady and consistent improvement in many aspects.

05 May 2019 18:19:51
Hes the wrong man shappy, full stop.

05 May 2019 18:20:53
Red man, but for you the only thing you need to succeed is a good CV. That's probably why you're putting Conte forward as an option.

But Jose had the CV, as did LvG. It didn't help them be a success.

So clearly a good CV doesn't guarantee a success.

I, like you see the problems at our club being a lot higher up than the manager.

Unlike you though I feel the way to solve that is we need to back a manager who has the clubs best interests at heart. At the moment we have allowed the owners and Woodward off the hook each time by turning on the manager. They get to sack him and hang all the club's failures around his neck.

What if we did something different this time? What if we back the manager and turn on the people who are the problem?

Or we could turn on a club legend, drive him out of the club and let the people who are the real problem off the hook again.

05 May 2019 18:26:19
I don't see what a pre season would do. Ole would obviously be teaching tactics and playing style. What on earth has he been doing for 6-7 months then? Pre season is important when a new manager is appointed after the season ends not when he has been here for half a season.

What is his style? What will he sell in the summer to recruit new players?

05 May 2019 19:06:20
You're blinded shappy. OGS is in way above his head. For someone who was so critical of Jose, I am very surprised at how you believe OGS might be the answer.

05 May 2019 19:20:36
Sure appointment another defensive ex Chelsea manager. Great idea. How did Conte do again when the dressing room decided they'd had enough?

05 May 2019 19:42:11
Shappy you keep calling Jose a failure but you do remember that he won us 3 trophies and a second place and an fa cup final with this hopeless lot. If that isn't success than i am afraid you will not see anything with Ole unless ofcourse good interviews in the press are success for you.

05 May 2019 20:00:48
United Addict, he won two trophies with us. Let's not drop so low as to actually accept the Charity shield as an actual trophy. It's a glorified friendly to open the season.

Also let's not be Liverpool fans and celebrate losing finals.

Language is the key. Jose had success at our club. But you can't say he was a success. The season we have had is entirely down to Jose. Our season was over by Christmas. He failed. End of, pull your nose out of his backside long enough and you'd see that.

05 May 2019 22:45:52
The simple fact is that Ole is pulling on the heart strings, the emotional sentimental choice. There can be no other reason for retaining him

In answer to Mort, I didn’t suggest Conte but it destroys the idea there was no one available. The actual point you made was about losing the dressing room yet people are on here saying the players need sorting out. Conte won the league yet the powers that be didn’t stand by him and preferred the players. Get the right manager, stand by him. We don’t have the right manager.

06 May 2019 03:28:52
Get the right manager, and stand by him. But that's only a manager that you think is right, obviously. Otherwise, no backing. Ok, then.

06 May 2019 07:32:07
I could counter with the same for you Shappy. Better that you pull out your nose out of Ole's ass to see facts. You are championing a man who took us from a low lying 6th position and took us to the dizzying heights of 6th. His last 5 months have been worse than Jose's. See facts. If you want to say that he took us on the longest winning run then also see facts that he has now been incharge of the worst run in 40 years. Obviously it is all about Jose that we have had this season. We could have finished 3rd but what happened? The messiah failed to motivate the hopeless lot? Failed to teach scoring goals to the boy wonder? Failed to play Pogba in his favored position? Stuck with Young? Kept playing Shaw? Held back Dalot? Played Lindelof out of position? didn't play your only striker who actually knows where the goal is? Called out Martial publicly?







 

 

 
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