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24 Aug 2023 12:10:20
Hi ED,

I was on the European page and saw your comment that we declared an interest in Leandro the Brazilian striker.

A report has come from Italy suggest we have or about to make a bid. I was wondering if you had heard anything about us making an approach for him?



{Ed002's Note - I am not interested in trying to provide blow-by-blow updates.}

1.) 24 Aug 2023 12:28:58
No problem Ed.

Will keep an eye on it.

2.) 24 Aug 2023 13:45:52
I have a feeling that Marcos Leonardo could join us but perhaps in January. Fingers crossed for earlier if at all.



25 Apr 2023 19:22:22
Ed I saw on the liverpool page you've said gravenberch wants to come to us next season. If you don't mind me asking is this a deal we are interested in making?

Also, anyone on here any insight into what type of player he is? I can't say I've seen much of him.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure ten Hag would want to work with him again but Bayern may resist a sale.}

1.) 25 Apr 2023 20:36:33
He's a box to box player more inclined towards attacking than defending, good technique, good on the ball, more likely to progress the ball through dribbling or carrying the ball through the middle than picking out 60 yard switch of plays. Great for breaking lines of pressure.

He'd be a great player if we could sign him.

2.) 25 Apr 2023 20:48:22
Thanks Ed.

3.) 26 Apr 2023 08:46:44
Erik getting the band back together it seems. What happens when we run out of Ajax players?

4.) 26 Apr 2023 09:46:59
Seems that Sabitzer has become a bit of a fan favourite in recent weeks.
Who would you prefer of the two? It doesn't seem likely Bayern will sell both, although they are adding Laimer.

5.) 26 Apr 2023 11:42:26
Gravenberch any day of the week.

6.) 26 Apr 2023 13:04:26
Gravenberch lots of potential but think I’ve read that too raw to get into Bayern team (needs coaching on tracking back etc) so, if he signed, maybe not be first choice immediately while ETH coaches him.

Huge potential though if he has the right attitude.

7.) 26 Apr 2023 13:13:58

They might.
On top of the arrival of Laimer, they have two young midfielders coming through who will be stars - Wanner and Ibrahimovic.
So they'll be working with the senior options of Laimer, Kimmich, Goretzka, Musiala, Martinez, Gnabry, Müller, and even Blind or Lahm if necessary.
Additionally, I would expect them to also sign Tom Bischof of Hoffenheim.

They seem to like a core of 4 exceptional midfielders with youth and experience, plus a second group consisting of the next stars and the wise old heads. On that basis, even without Bischof, they might well sanction the sales of both Sabitzer and Gravenberch.

I'd bite their hands off.
They'd want around £60m, certainly more than the £25m that Liverpool think he'll go for.

8.) 26 Apr 2023 15:08:50
I've just remembered that Lahm's retired.


{Ed077's Note - who is the Martinez you're referring to too?}

9.) 26 Apr 2023 15:22:44

Has he retired as well?

I'll get my coat lol.

{Ed077's Note - if you meant Javi Martinez then no, not retired but he left Bayern in 2021.}

10.) 26 Apr 2023 15:29:25
The Spanish lad they had from bilbao I think he means ed. Javi martinez.

{Ed077's Note - "had" being the keyword here. :-D}

11.) 26 Apr 2023 16:04:15
Shall we count their ballboys and catering staff too while we're at it :D.

12.) 26 Apr 2023 16:16:43
Between Sabitzer and Gravenberch I'd probably edge towards Gravenberch due to his potential.

At the moment they are probably fairly even, with Sabitzer probably the more consistent option of the two. But Gravenberch could genuinely be one of the top midfielders in the world if he can reach his full potential. For that alone, especially with his old manager in charge, he's probably go he better one to go for.

13.) 27 Apr 2023 10:22:34
And if that’s the case they have no motivation to sell him. I think we will see Sabitzer join and maybe one other.

14.) 27 Apr 2023 18:23:59
Eric, they might not have a motivation to sell him, but the player might have motivation to leave.

The reality for Gravenberch is Kimmich and Goretzka are clear first choice and will start 90% of the games they are fit and available for. They will be signing Konrad Laimer this summer, and they still have Sabitzer and Musiala.

Making him one of 6 players for a maximum of three starting spots. Realistically, given that he won't play at No.10 and Bayern typically play with a double pivot then he's likely to be one of five for two starting spots.

Of he wants regular football then he will likely need to leave.



03 Apr 2023 19:22:32
Frimpong, the right back from Leverkusen linked tonight. Apparently he's great going forward, but a bit suspect defensively.

Reports from Germany have said we spoke with his agents.


1.) 04 Apr 2023 11:08:20
Dumfries in disguise?

2.) 04 Apr 2023 15:13:50
Who we signing at left back? Oh wait we for some reason signed Shaw up for 4 years ?.



21 Mar 2023 14:07:05
Been having a look at some of the other pages to see for any snippets of info from Ed002.

I saw on the Liverpool page a suggestion that Mount's new agent could lead him to our door (my assumption is that the new agent will offer him to us) . What does everyone think? Would he be a good signing and would you take him?

Personally, I wouldn't be that keen on him but he does have ability no doubt and I think Ten Hag could develop him. My main concern is that we don't know his best position yet.


1.) 21 Mar 2023 16:35:09
God no. Runs around like a headless chicken.

2.) 22 Mar 2023 09:20:18
@redwhisky plus, that's Fred's job.

3.) 22 Mar 2023 10:30:19
I'd rather keep fred than sign mount on ridiculous wages.



18 Nov 2022 13:18:28
Looks like Ronaldo is getting the sack judging by reports. Good riddance.

Back the manager, get a striker in January and build this club properly on a United front.


1.) 18 Nov 2022 14:05:49
I'd have been advocating for Ivan Toney as a realistic January option before the gambling stuff came out this week.

Realistically, I can't see the likes of Lautaro Martinez, Osimhen or Vlahovic, who'd all be good signings, leaving their clubs in January. Though we have apparently looked at a couple of them.

My bet would be Goncalo Ramos if anyone comes in at all though. Again it'd be a big spend for a January signing.

2.) 18 Nov 2022 14:52:33
RJ i agree.

I get the feeling we may be offered Felix, but not sure he is the type of forward ETH would want.

3.) 18 Nov 2022 16:52:04
Is that betting thing that big that we shouldn't go after Toney?

4.) 18 Nov 2022 17:10:49
Not necessarily, I just don't really know what the consequences could be for that. There are rumours of a long ban, 6 months plus. Not sure how true or feasible that is mind you.

5.) 18 Nov 2022 18:04:35
I think we need to see what the outcome of the Toney betting thing is before we can either rule him out or consider him as an option.

He could get a slap on the wrist warning or a ban (for how long who knows) .

As for what kind of striker EtH wants I think that is much less clear.

Most people seem to think he will want a striker in the mould of Haller. Strong, tall line leading type striker.

Maybe in an ideal world that is the type of striker EtH wants. But I don't think it's safe to assume that.

He also played Tadic as his striker for 2 whole season's. Who isn't even a striker really, but a very different kind of forward altogether.

My guess would be that EtH wants a striker who can link up with his other forwards and midfielders so that they can play a controlling possession based game.

He likes his forwards to be comfortable rotating round and switching positions.

Haller in that sense was kind of the exception to the rule.

I think it will depend on who is available that is deemed good enough.

If I had to put money on it I'd go with Goncalo Ramos. Young, talented, wouldn't cost the earth and is capable of playing in several ways and can rotate around with the other forwards.

6.) 18 Nov 2022 20:29:42
Did you see that Ivan Toney has denied that betting cost him his place in the World Cup squad and he's gutted he won't be involved in Monday's 2-2 draw with Iran


7.) 18 Nov 2022 22:50:48
Joey Barton was charged with around the same amount of breaches and he was given an initial 18 month ban (which I believe was reduced in the end to 6 months or maybe reduced by 6 months? ) so Toney could end up with a fairly lengthy ban.

8.) 18 Nov 2022 23:20:43
Gotta feel for the guy. By all accounts pretty much every Tom Dick and Harry loves a cheeky flutter on their all-too convenient Sky Bet app :D
Only one per tournament for me, 40/ 1 Argentina to win and Messi golden boot.

9.) 18 Nov 2022 23:26:17
Neville has been suggesting we need a dignified ending to Utd's greatest ever player.
I hope that happens, but I don't see Ronaldo as that. He went on to become one of the greatest, but at the time I was more a fan of the likes of Cantona, Giggs, Becks. I'm sure a few others would suggest old Besty was up there too. Even Jordi Cruyff.

10.) 19 Nov 2022 15:23:24
Shappy tripper got banned for 10 games fit 2 offences toney has been charged with 232 offences o vet a prolonged period. There is a 12 game plus ban on the way no doubt maybe 6 months unless he can prove his innocence.
@spenno if he his guilty there can be no feeling sorry for him.
Basic rule for all professionals. They can't bet on football games of any sort.
He is an idiot if guilty and brings into question his decision making and suitability for being a Manchester United player.

11.) 20 Nov 2022 13:22:15
Ken, that's why I said he shouldn't be considered until after this situation is resolved. He might be cleared, or he might face a lengthy ban.

I agree that the situation at the very least brings into question his decision making and intelligence.

But to be fair to him none of us know the details of the alleged offenses or the context around them.

Either way I can't see him being a January target now.

12.) 20 Nov 2022 19:54:20
I can't see any player who is fundamental to their team being easily obtainable mid-season. The only exceptions being those in the last 6 months of their contract a side can get a small pile of cash for rather than nothing in summer.

13.) 22 Nov 2022 19:55:02
Ivan Tony is a vervant Liverpool fan.

14.) 23 Nov 2022 10:16:53
Jordan Henderson was a boyhood United fan, Gerrard and Carragher were boyhood Everton fans, Aaron Ramsey was a boyhood United fan but chose Arsenal.

As fans we have this idea that we would only play for the team we support, and would never play for a direct rival.

However, I'm sure if Manchester United offered Ivan Toney a contract worth 125k per week (which is a whole 104k per week more than he gets at Brentford) then he would take the deal.

For footballers this isn't a passion it's their career, and earning money and the chance of winning things is more important than the posters you had on your wall as a kid.

I'd imagine if Toney had the choice of United or Liverpool then he'd probably pick Liverpool. But if the choice is United of Brentford I'd imagine he'd make the same choice as Eriksen.




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09 Dec 2023 20:23:54
I'll be shocked if tenhag is in the dug out for our next game. That felt like Ole against Watford.


1.) 09 Dec 2023 20:46:57
Prepare to be shocked mate. We are in limbo atm until the sjr deal goes through and he starts bringing in his own people. Most of those above eth are on borrowed time so nobody is making that decision to sack him…. at least for the time being!

2.) 09 Dec 2023 21:23:30
Manager of the month?

3.) 09 Dec 2023 23:02:20
What Tim says makes sense, you bringing in a new CEO and DoF to run the club you let them make the decisions.

It might well be that the person they want won't be available until the summer and then they will have to work out the best way to finish the season.

4.) 09 Dec 2023 23:10:17
Tim’s right: ETH safe until SJR comes in. Glazers can’t afford to sack him and won’t care anyway - they’re passing on sporting success to SJR.

However, as soon as new leadership team in, then, if results don’t improve, ETH could well be on his way.

5.) 10 Dec 2023 06:26:34
Ten hag is not the issue here. I honestly worry for people if they actually think Ten hag is the main problem here. These players just give up when the going gets tough we've seen it time and time again. Bring in a new manager and they might chuck the effort in for a little while but they will revert back to their old ways after a while. We have players still in the squad from LVG/ Jose/ Solskjaer/ Rangnick's tenure it's no coincidence and we still need to move on and replace about another 9-10 players. Until that happens and there's a change of structure above expect more of the same crap to continue.

6.) 10 Dec 2023 07:09:16
Well Damon he has made 16 signings including loans and we still start with Martial up top and Johnny Evans coming off the bench. I blame him for that.

7.) 10 Dec 2023 07:28:39

Iwe all know the players are the issue. But there's people now hiding behind that fact to allow the manager slack. At ht a blind man could see we needed to change things. His subs are reactive not pro active. Picking martial who is a waste of space has to be questioned. Everyone was at fault yesterday including the manager.

Its amusing on here how its changed from this teams not that bad and getting kane in we can challenge to bin them all. there's 95% of the squad stealing a living overrated on wages they've never earnt just been rewarded with.

Moving forward we have to have a wage cap joining players will always look at deals mount shaw bruno rashy are on and compare themselves to that. Then we just continue being a pay club. There shouldn't be many that don't have a price on there head. Anyone joining shouldn't have there wages doubled. Bruno was given a new deal after getting top 4 is that a achievement that should be rewarded?

8.) 10 Dec 2023 09:46:20
I want ETH to succeed and last year I thought we were on the right path
But this season my god, yes injuries etc but he has got to be able to set us up better than this! Every other team in the league is better organised, more solid, and offers more of a goal threat half the time! Not good enough.

9.) 10 Dec 2023 11:13:03
Couldnt disagree more Damon, 18 months on and no one knows what style of play ETH is supposed to have, how many players have improved how many of his signings have been a success?

Im the first to admit I hvae no idea who could come in and make improvements people will say Nagelsmann, Big Ange, De Zerbi, Emery blah blah blah my point is ETH seems to be far from the manager we thought we were getting and is looking way out of his depth.

Yesterday was nt just bad it was shockingly bad, to think 11 players could go out and represent a PL team and play like that in front of 75000 fans. ETH cannot be allowed to distance himself from that i couldn't care less if he stays or goes anymore he's just a grey grey man with very little personality doing a poor job.

10.) 10 Dec 2023 11:18:30
He can't pick Hoijlund every game if he is running his legs off and getting no service. Maybe ETH was saving him for the Bayern Munich match?

I am sure ETH impresses upon the players time and time again the need to start with high intensity and it's not his fault that the players don't listen. He has like previous managers inherited a mentally shot squad.

We need to back him and give him another season at least once the Radcliffe deal goes through. He is surely trying to get rid of the deadwood but presumably there are very few takers. He can't buy if he can't sell due to FFP rules. That makes his job doubly difficult.

Sacking ETH and getting in a new manager won't change the fundamental problems. ETH built a thrilling team at Ajax and he can do it again.

11.) 10 Dec 2023 12:19:12
Salford I do tend to agree, that team is so far away I’d imagine from what he envisages his team to look like but in order to get himself the chance to fulfil this job he needs to show us something! Yesterday he picked martial and expected what exactly!? He hasn’t got the players he wants available but still think outside the box and show us something! Yesterday was a killer . Felt an important day for ETH tenure .

12.) 10 Dec 2023 12:38:58
I doubt very much he's going anywhere in the short-term as the people who'll make that decision aren't even officially at their desks yet. But as an investor I'd also be highly dubious of giving him any pocket money in January. I see Erik's already put the feelers out suggesting he doubts we'll do any business. Other than a few more dodgy loans (see: Malen) I think this is his lot and he's got to prove that his 'process' is working cause there's no sign of it at the moment.

13.) 10 Dec 2023 12:41:04
Bruno got booked yesterday. It was an easy way out for next weekend. I really do think the team would excel if he was sold. His petulant attitude on the pitch is not what you need in a leader.

14.) 10 Dec 2023 12:50:45
Some of the players are the problem but Ten Hag isn't helping himself by continuing to pick those that always let him down.

Good managers are able to find solutions to problems but Ten Hag looks like he isn't even trying.

15.) 10 Dec 2023 19:23:50
The isssue I’m having with ten hag right now, is that we are seeing the same issues week in week out from the 1st game of the season.

16.) 11 Dec 2023 07:22:15
I see everyone is criticizing the manager for picking Martial. I think you have to manage peoples minutes with Bayern and Liverpool coming up. If you are in eth shoes you have to believe martial should do a job against Bournemouth.

TBH we were very poor and so many players were poor and if it was just a martial thing I would agree. Front 3 were all poor and Bruno and Mc were just as culpable. When you get 5 of your front 6 turning in a 3/ 4 type performance, you get a result like Bournemouth.

Finally I looked like shaw picked up an injury as he asked to come off and we are back to crisis mode in defense and could not happen at a worst time.

17.) 11 Dec 2023 16:15:41
Didn't ten hag want Kane and Darwin Nunez prior to that? He doesn't want to have Martial starting I can guarantee that. A lot of his signings are also injured plus the fact the likes of Sabitzer, Butland, Weghorst loans were out of desperation more than anything else as there was no money to spend. He wanted De Jong they gave him Casemiro as a panic buy after losses to Brighton and Brentford. He wanted Kim min-jae the club gave him Jonny Evans on a free. A lot of the players he actually wanted weren't delivered. He's got the hardest job on the planet he needs time. Sack him and do what exactly? The players get off scott free again nah not having it. It can take 3 or 4 years to get the squad you want especially the state of ours when he came in. If we bring in another manager they won't suddenly turn the likes of Maguire and Lindelof into Ramos and Puyol.



19 Oct 2023 23:05:27
I thought I'd share a story from an interaction I had with a client today.

An absolute gentleman needed some help with paperwork so he was an existing client I said I'd pop out no charge.

Walked into the living room, and it was like the club museum. Every book, dvd and poster you could imagine. Anyway once we got the little bit of work out of the way, we obviously started chatting football.

From stories of the iconic babes team right through to Moscow 08. We eventually started talking about the team now and the current situation and he made one valid point to me which I think a lot of us need to remember.

"It doesn't matter who's in charge. It's always going to be Manchester United, to me that will never change. " He's bang on. You go on social media it's people falling out over Qatar or Ratcliffe and Glazers etc. The reality is, this club has gone through absolute hell before and we survived. It's never about who owns the club, it's about what it means to us.

For me this club somehow has brought my family closer. I speak to my grandad after every game, may that be 2 minutes or an hour, we have an excuse to talk nearly twice a week. That means the world to me.

I don't even know the whole reason behind this post, been having a rough time with a few things today and for a couple of hours, I forgot it all.

We can kick and scream about who or what we want to own us, but that person or group will never define what Manchester United is.

One final thing, he proudly tells me he watches every youth game on Mutv and he think Shea Lacey is up there with anything he's seen.


1.) 20 Oct 2023 02:52:10
Sorry to hear you are having a rough time Caolan, hope things look up for you soon pal.

You are totally right, this club is bigger than any one person, any one player. The funny thing is that this club can't be owned, because it is far more than a balance sheet, or set of keys or even a historic football stadium.

I know there is a divided fanbase right now. I know some want to stir up a hornets nest of anger, while others one to put out the flames and for everyone to calm down.

I would just like to share this thought. It is 18years since our owners last changed. This deal looks very close, but not yet complete. If people feel passionately about getting rid of the glazers and they don't like what is happening, then if they don't cause a fuss now, then when? Wait until it is all finished and done?

Some may see positives in what is happening, some may not. It is going to be divisive. I just hope as fans we can be respectful and I just hope that we can get back to focusing on winning together as a club as soon as possible.

Love united. Hate the glazers.

2.) 20 Oct 2023 07:50:58
Dodgy/ Caolan

Great post and I get what your client was talking about. Ieen a supporter for about 47 years now. I think many of the fans and especially the ones on social media and online forums are toilets of toxicity, misinformation and are harming the club reputation.

90% don't even know the slightest bit about the history of the club and not even old enough to recall the treble winning season. its becomes a source of divide and conquer and a source of monetization ala trumpian.

I honestly don't believe many have ever even been a United game and are this weird new group of online junkies, who follow the club to be bad actors. Yes I am passing judgment here.

I will never advocate for riots and behaviors that is on par with hooliganism and those who do should be banned for life from grounds and reading some of the stuff currently going around for our next home game is scary. It up to each individual and if you want to boycott games and merchandise, that's fine but advocating for violence is not okay.

Every time I get to go a game at OT or away games, I am so excited and its a privilege not many get if you look at the fan base. My only concern is always to avoid the idiots and don't get caught in the middle of an incident, especially when my boys were younger, which is quite sad when you think off it.

Even the stuff you read about OT is over the top as it makes it sound like its a shantytown. Its a beautiful stadium that is old and needs investment.

The idea of boycotting games and not going because of the glazers just does not resonate with me and if I lived in Manchester I would go to every game and try and get to as many away fixtures.

On a funny note I was delighted when my oldest got accepted into Manchester for Uni and was hoping he would pick them but he decided to go to school in London. In the back of my mind at the time I thought perfect :)

I think the glazers are incompetent people in terms of how they run the club and their appointments and want to see change. I am also mature enough to acknowledge they own the club and I can't do anything about that.

Whether its total change or incremental change, I am perfectly happy with that. I think Clubs like United and Liverpool are destined to be outliers because of their rich tradition and being state owned is not for us even if that means we wait for our next PL trophy a bit longer.

3.) 20 Oct 2023 08:23:59
I’ll keep renewing my ticket whoever or whatever is in charge.

4.) 20 Oct 2023 11:03:38
I think he may be spot on regarding Shea Lacey, he looks a bit special.

5.) 20 Oct 2023 15:02:55
Good post, Caolan. Easy to forget sometimes, especially when everything's so tribal these days. Hope you're OK, fella ?.

6.) 20 Oct 2023 19:57:11
Agreed. Great Post caolan.
Keep smiling. ?.

7.) 20 Oct 2023 22:48:51
Cheers guys, nothing major just same struggles we all have most days I’m sure.

Hope you’re all well too.

8.) 21 Oct 2023 06:54:30
Caolan great stuff mate.

9.) 21 Oct 2023 08:42:53
Fabulous post caolan.

10.) 21 Oct 2023 08:45:43
Nice post Coalan, thank you for sharing and all the best to you.



11 Jul 2023 15:23:49
Young squad for the game tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing some of the younger players get some minutes.


1.) 11 Jul 2023 16:32:55
haven't seen anything on the team sheet, can you elaborate.

2.) 11 Jul 2023 17:21:03
Pre-season tour, young squad, small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.

3.) 11 Jul 2023 17:35:18
Squad list was published on the club website mate.

4.) 11 Jul 2023 18:35:37
Lol danny.

5.) 11 Jul 2023 20:08:50
For those that haven't seen, this is the squad list

Goalkeepers: Tom Heaton, Nathan Bishop, Matej Kovar

Defenders: Alvaro Fernandez, Rhys Bennett, Will Fish, Marc Jurado, Lisandro Martinez, Raphael Varane, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Brandon Williams.

Midfielders: Toby Collyer, Fred, Dan Gore, Hannibal, Isak Hansen-Aaroen, Kobbie Mainoo, Mason Mount, Maxi Oyedele, Charlie Savage

Forwards: Amad, Noam Emeran, Omari Forson, Joe Hugill, Jadon Sancho, Shola Shoretire.

6.) 12 Jul 2023 00:11:48
It's an interesting squad with lots of notable absentees.

No Dalot, Shaw, Malacia, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Fred, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Antony, Pellistri, Rashford or Garnacho.

This very much feels like it's a squad where EtH is working out which young players to take on tour with the first team, while also giving a few senior players a run out.

7.) 12 Jul 2023 07:46:49
Brilliant Danny.
I think the absences are due to recent international call ups so were never expected for this first match. Looking forward to seeing Mainoo given a run out and hopefully a place on the tour.

8.) 12 Jul 2023 09:30:47
Fred is there Shappy. Agree that this seems to be an opportunity for EtH to have a look at a few in a match situation.

Eth has made it clear that the youngsters need to be high quality to get into he first team. He will not be handing out appearances unless he feels players are ready and pushing the senior pros. He has a reputation from Ajax of developing youth, so hoping to see some from the youth set up start to look the business.

A few in this list I thought would be gone already, could be last chance saloon, or maybe we just needed players to fill the squad?

9.) 12 Jul 2023 11:17:50
Let's hope the kids' attitude matches their desire. Iqbal was probably the stand-out player this time last season, but is now wearing different colours.

10.) 12 Jul 2023 14:33:00
Big seasons for Mainoo and Hannibal….



07 Mar 2023 16:09:47
Everyone relaxed a bit? Didn't want to post since the weekend's "performance". I'll use that term loosely. Think I'd have just gone overboard etc.

To change topic a little bit, what changes do you guys expect for the game on Thursday night? Another must win and it would be nice to try and put the tie to bed so we could really rotate and rest players in the second leg. It won't be easy.

Personally I think we will see both full backs dropped, varane won't play either. In midfield it's tough, mainly due to the fact we don't have much quality in the depth chart there.

Either way Thursday will be interesting in terms of selection and reaction.


1.) 07 Mar 2023 16:36:42
Play the womens team.

2.) 07 Mar 2023 16:56:43
I was surprisingly relaxed both when I turned the TV off at 0-4 and when I checked the final result. I'm far more concerned about the general fatigue from playing so many games, and how that's going to be a factor going forward, and whether we will be able to acquire top players in the summer, than I am about the second half drubbing at Anfield. A record loss? So what? If we make top 3/ 4 this result will be no more than a footnote in a season of emphatic turnaround. If we also win another trophy, what does it matter if we lost 0-1 or 0-7. It's 0 points either way. It was a far more important game for Liverpool than it was for us., though of course a result would have been preferable.

I think this team has been wound very tightly by ETH's strict disciplined approach. The thread that's been holding it all together got pulled out on Sunday and there was a cathartic unravelling. Maybe it was even a necessary thing to happen given the enormous pressure the schedule has been putting on what is really a pretty small squad, quality wise. We'll see.

3.) 07 Mar 2023 18:11:29
Ah shur it doesn't matter ti's only another game. We don't care if we win or lose anymore. ??.

4.) 07 Mar 2023 18:37:40

I’ve read shaws post a couple of times and I can’t see where he says that. He’s suggesting that as long as we don’t let it ruin our season it doesn’t make any difference if we lost 1-0 or 7-0, and I totally agree.

It’s crap going to work having them lauding it over is but we are 7 points above them and have played 19 games already in this calendar year as compared to their 13. The good run was always going to come to and end and it’s not important we learn from it and go again.

5.) 07 Mar 2023 19:09:23
Now important*.

6.) 07 Mar 2023 19:05:38
I think everyone is gutted we lost and the Manor if the defeat leahy no doubt about that.
But it's 1 game out of the last 20.
It was a tough watch for us and a very humbling experience for the players.
We know there are still a few flakes in the squad.
If it starts to become a trend again then we will have issues. I doubt it will under eth.
3 weeks ago Liverpool let in 5 in 40 mins you have seen a positive reaction from them since then.
Knee jerk reactions are for fools. Poor decision making is usually brought about when people react on emotions.
I've a high tolerance because we are so far ahead of expecting this season.
There are a few who can't wait to jump on it both from our own fans and opposition fans and press. That's just the way it is.
The big picture is we are 3rd 7 points ahead of Liverpool and in a great position to achieve our league targets.
We have some poor options in some positions so all things considered

The performance was a shock but the loss not a big shock.
I think we will go on to finish top 4 with the potential to have another 2 good cup runs and a trophy in the bag.
That's where the players focus will be and that's where my focus and attention is. We can't change what happened on Sunday but we can all choose to wallow in it or stop crying and look forward.
I've seen fergie teams hit for 5 by Newcastle 6 by Southampton 6 by City before they had money.
The fact it was Liverpool didn't hurt me anything like as much as the flashbacks I got of oleball on Sunday.
Still on the right path imo and we need to suck this one up and see who has had the most successful season at the end.

7.) 07 Mar 2023 21:23:02
Need to see a good reaction, focus again. Interesting to see how they react if we go one nil down. I suspect a good reaction and the focus will come back.

8.) 07 Mar 2023 21:42:47
Pi€€ing me off ken that you talk such sense….
for a moron ?
I’m convinced ETH will have heads screwed on right and we’ll move on. I’m also confident that ETH has an eye to the summer window re out goings and incomings. The manager has done nothing to shake my confidence in his ability to get our club going in the right direction. GGMU.

9.) 08 Mar 2023 04:50:46
Jeez Ken, that was a great post until you mentioned Ole, again! You need help sir, he's living in your head rent free. Try and exorcism.

10.) 08 Mar 2023 05:35:06
Spot on Ken.

For me also, the unscripted homage to Ole was the biggest concern.
There are still players for whom it is difficult to fully fine tune their mentality.
Shaw, for me, had the worst Ole-day, he himself should hope it's not seen again.
McTominay simply served, in little more than a third of the match, more evidence that he cannot be relied upon in tough situations.
Fernandes annoyed me so much that, unusually, I found myself berating the telly - what a plank.

Let's just hope there are no more Ole-days.

11.) 08 Mar 2023 08:43:08
Ken may well actually be a Bayern Munich defender from 1999 holding a massive grudge still.



27 Feb 2023 12:04:49
Well, yesterday was fantastic. Last year we only wanted to see a bit of fight from the players for the shirt, now we've got a team that doesn't give an inch, fights for every ball and puts their body on the line to get the win.

We have a proper team here. Varane and casemiro outstanding yesterday, but for me the motm was Martinez. He got split in the first half, yet continues to throw himself into every challenge and he made some vital blocks and clearances. Honestly, what a player he is.

Second half we managed that game to perfection, the subs were great and at the perfect times. Ten hag is doing a splendid job.

It may only be the league cup, but from the players reactions, especially the seasoned winners you could see what it means. We are by no means the finished article, we still need 3/ 4 players minimum I think. But, under this manager, with this group we are going places. The atmosphere last year was toxic, now it's the best I've seen in years.

Let's hope this is the springboard for more success.


1.) 27 Feb 2023 12:39:03
Martinez is fantastic. He's exactly the sort of player we have needed for years. He puts his head where people don't put their feet. He and Casemiro have brought the aggression and winning mentality we were sorely lacking. Last season, if there was any adversity, the team folded, now it seems like nothing phases them.

Martinez and Casemiro are probably 2 of our 3 best signings since Fergie retired, along with Bruno Fernandes.

We never looked like losing yesterday. Newcastle had a fair bit of the ball but we were never really troubled. Ten Hag, as always, managed the game brilliantly. Great win and hopefully the catalyst to a few more trophies in the coming years.

2.) 27 Feb 2023 15:24:48
Martinez is exactly what we’ve been lacking for some time.

He almost reminds me of dare I say it, Vidic. He never seemed afraid to throw himself in. He’s beginning to become my new favourite player.

Personally, league cup or not, this will only make them want more and I’m excited for the first time in a lot of years to see where this will go.

3.) 27 Feb 2023 18:05:19
Ten Hag has been our best signing since Ferguson.

He has surpassed all expectations and has even surpassed what I thought he might do in the best case scenario this year.

4.) 27 Feb 2023 18:21:52
Casemiro is a Rolls Royce of a player who’d walk into any midfield in world football.

Martinez is a Vidic-esque warrior for sure but let’s not forget he’s a lovely passing range too as well as those last ditch game saving tackles.

But what we need to credit Ten Hag most for is the belief he’s put back in the whole squad and the marked improvement we’ve seen in particular in Rashford, Shaw and Dalot.

Regardless of what our results were in the next 2 games pre Barcelona last Thursday, we went in to those games knowing Ten Hag has turned this club around and we are on an upward trajectory now. So to continue in the Europa and more importantly win silverware is a massive bonus too.

Ten Hag is United’s best signing since Rooney. And he will be even more important in my opinion.




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01 Mar 2024 09:11:48
Ed2 I hope you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on Potter as a manager? I know it didn’t work out at Chelsea, but from the outside it looked like there was so much going on it would be one of the hardest jobs in football.

Do you think he could do well for us provided we have the correct structure and environment?


{Ed002's Note - Potter will certainly be a consideration. The circumstances at Chelsea were difficult. The issue is that the infrastructure he had at Brighton was excellent and that has now gone.}



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27 Feb 2024 12:50:34
Ken I’d imagine Dan Ashworth is doing a few off the record hours a week.




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16 Feb 2024 16:06:14
I’d assume ed this means moving forward there will be a greater emphasis on signing younger players?

Very interesting appiointment imo.




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14 Jan 2024 14:04:45
Oakbark I don’t think he’d be sold without input coming from the academy coaches as well.

Give Harry Amass a watch if you can, serious prospect.




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13 Jan 2024 22:30:02
Fernandez won’t be good enough for the level we aspire to reach.

Also Harry Amass in the 18s looks a much better prospect.





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04 Mar 2024 09:17:33
Brandon Williams has a lot of things going on in his personal life to sort.




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27 Feb 2024 13:45:26
Shappy, that’s rubbish that players can’t play any style.

The man is paid millions of pounds a year. He’s brought in a load of players. Last year was 10x better than this. We all said if we had a centre forward to finish the missed chances we could be going somewhere.

Why the major shift? Look at carragher’s analysis of the gaps in the team. The confusion in instruction from kick off.

We had one of the best defensive records this season and have now conceded half the shots city have all season in our last 5 games. I like Ten Hag, but this is utter dross and he does not deserve to be in the job next season, and I’d say if we didn’t have the off field things going on, he’d have been sacked pre Christmas.




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27 Feb 2024 10:41:56
If we don’t have the players suited to play a certain way, then don’t play it.




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26 Feb 2024 16:51:06
Yes we may be suited to transition. But why are teams consistently running through the centre of the pitch week after week.

My concern for ten hag is, I don’t think the players have downed tools. I genuinely don’t think his system that we are seeing will work even with everyone back. It didn’t against wolves or spurs at the start of the season. Or wolves away for that matter.




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26 Feb 2024 11:34:24
I like the idea of naglesman tbh.