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30 Dec 2024 22:10:53
We need to wake up to the fact that it doesn't matter if we win or challenge for anything. We're a tourist attraction and it doesn't matter how poor we are, they'll still come and companies will still pay for the privilege of being associated with us.
We are absolutely rubbish, rubbish players, rubbish stadium, rubbish everything.
1.) 30 Dec 2024 23:06:18
I am not sure what the future holds for RA. But at present he is by and far the worst manager ever to coach Manchester United (on stats) .
2.) 30 Dec 2024 23:25:00
The manager is trying to do something this bunch of players have never experienced, stick to his guns.
Since Jose, various iterations of the United squad has bucked against any shift in tactics. Any time managers have tried to shake things up - usually asking for more intensity, pressing off the ball, and control in possession - the team have performed abysmally. What I have seen, year after year, is players that want to play uncomplicated counterattack football. They want to sit deep in defence, and break quickly as soon as they have possession. It’s lazy football that requires the minimum amount of running, and zero brain power.
They did the exact same thing when ETH arrived, and he buckled. Gave up on his existing approach, and tried to pretend it was always his plan to be the “best team in transition. ” It got him fired.
Ruben seems to have a bit more about him
and is placing the responsibility on the players to learn the system. The performances and results are terrible, but it’s shining a spotlight on the players not adapting or even trying to learn what to do. This is the system, either players learn what they need to do to work in it, or the can feck off. I’m sick of players coasting and the upside of the 3-4-2-1 is that there’s nowhere for them to hide.
3.) 30 Dec 2024 23:32:50
I feel an essay is on the way lol :D.
4.) 30 Dec 2024 23:38:46
I heard LFC overlooked Amorim as his style didn’t fit in with the players they had. If he can’t play any other system than 3-4-3 then I am disappointed. Some of these players have played many systems in their careers and you are delude to think these players doesn’t know how to play 3-4-3 lol.
5.) 30 Dec 2024 23:54:30
Equaliser,
I have watched them play this system for a few weeks and I can guarantee you that the vast majority of them do not know or are incapable of playing this system. I’d say 6 of the correct squad can play it and 3 of them were unavailable tonight, the rest are useless but we already knew that. Stupid players with no pace and no technical ability, things will get better but we have to back the manager at the moment.
6.) 30 Dec 2024 23:57:04
The difference with Liverpool is that they have a team that has shown it can compete at the top.
Most top managers have their own style and way they want the game played, hence why they're at the top of their profession.
Klopp got rid of the players that didn't suit his style. Arteta had some high earners he had to turf out before he got the balance right. Pep spent some small countries GDP on defenders before he figured it out.
The players struggling to adapt to a new system shouldn't come as a shock, they're footballing intellect is shocking. The space they occupy, the passes they choose, the decisions they make are all consistently poor.
The team should be dismantled and a new one built in the managers image. No point getting cold feet because these players are brutal.
7.) 31 Dec 2024 00:08:16
“The players struggling to adapt to a new system shouldn't come as a shock, they're footballing intellect is shocking”
People are sounding like this is a unique system. Some of these players are top internationals.
The team should be dismantled and a new one built in the managers image.
Well that will restore another 1 billion then.
8.) 31 Dec 2024 01:45:37
Players out, amorim in. Let's go.
9.) 31 Dec 2024 02:11:04
So what's the problem then Equalizer?
If the players are good enough to play this system, why have we lost 4 in a row?
Why are we closer to the relegation spots than Europe?
If these intellectual internationals aren't the problem what is?
10.) 31 Dec 2024 07:50:04
At some point you have to ask what set up does suit these players? Even only going back as far as Ten Hag taking the job they've shown they can't excel in any set up. In the last 4 or 5 years we've played 4231, 433, 442, 4222 and 343 across a few managers and we've been poor for most of that.
I won't blame Amorim for any of this at all. Look at the squad he's taken over. We've spent billions to be forced to start Diogo Dalot each week, who everyone knew wasn't good enough when we sent him out on loan to Milan where he flopped 3 years ago.
It's on Ineos to fix this now. If you go out and get Amorim mid season, back him properly, don't say there's no money available and we can't sell Rashford so just reintegrate him into the squad.
11.) 31 Dec 2024 08:13:59
Mumbles
Well it’s a combination of many. Players, poor recruitment, manager who is hell bent on playing only one type of football.
Klopp got rid of the players that didn't suit his style.
Except that Klopp did get a Top 4 in his second season,
12.) 31 Dec 2024 08:23:17
Eddie Howe after the game:
"Confidence is the ultimate thing that makes the difference. The players are playing in their best positions and look happy and comfortable and our injury record has also improved from last year. "
We have none of that. Players in a new system/ positions, unsettled, low on confidence and still injuries. So as good as the players are supposed to be, if it takes that to be producing solid results then it's no wonder.
Hopefully RA will get some time off the field with the players after this hectic period and at least make some January movements.
13.) 31 Dec 2024 10:08:33
RA messed around with players too much within the first 6 games. He introduced a new system to the team and consistently rotated. That has had a massive effect on their ability to get used to the system and play.
Now, because of the constant tinkering, in the new system, everyone looks like a fish out of water. They play with no confidence in what they are supposed to do.
These players are intelligent enough to do it but when you constantly rotate, do not build the confidence, this is what will happen. They're humans, losing easily becomes a habit and confidence has been drained. Now it's becoming a real issue.
Lose to Liverpool at the weekend and it's 7 losses in 12. If this was ETH, there would be people jumping up and down on here asking for his head.
RA, is a deer in the headlights and I'm afraid might be way out of his depth. He has to persist now and not go back and change again.
But please RA, pick a settled side. Build from there.
05 May 2019 15:44:41
I hope Ole’s feelings for the club run that deep that he will realise he is out of his depth, his unraveling at Cardiff should have been enough for the club to realise that. The football is absolutely terrible, no passion, intensity or belief in each other. I would not trust him to rebuild the team, legend yes, manager no, he needs a one way ticket to Molde.
1.) 05 May 2019 16:01:33
I’ll judge him on signings and see what style of play he brings next season. Sadly though I believe your right.
01 May 2019 08:35:04
I admire the optimism of my fellow United fans, let’s get him, him and him the last being anyone who plays for Ajax, it’s not going to happen. We have to be realistic and accept that the worlds best players do not want to play for a team and club that is in absolute disarray, the so called world class players that we do have are queuing to get out of the place. Our era of domination is over, it goes in cycles and usually with the manager of a generation at the helm, Ole is not that manager, I believe his appointment was a sentimental one and a mistake just like the recruitment of Ferdinand as DOF would be.
We will always support United but we will unfortunately have to settle for a period of mediocrity, we will not challenge for a while.
1.) 01 May 2019 09:09:28
Ajax didn't/ don't go with model of buying the best players, they make their own best players with a certain style of playing.
I am not sure if Utd supporters would be patience as Ajax supporters if the clubs decides to follow Ajax's steps of rebuilding.
2.) 01 May 2019 09:19:04
It's sad to say but I don't see how anyone can disagree.
3.) 01 May 2019 10:20:39
How anyone can disagree that footballers may possibly want to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world? Sure.
4.) 01 May 2019 11:45:24
Because players aren’t blind GDS. They can see the club is in a right state, and there is no clear evidence that this is improving. This side is years away from challenging for titles.
Spouting the we’re one of the biggest clubs in the world is exactly the type of wrongheaded arrogance that Liverpool fans fell prey to during the 90s and 00s. Top class players are motivated by trophies, and playing in top quality teams. We can’t offer this, so we threw money at players who lack desire and commitment. This is what coasting on reputation and financial clout does.
As for Ajax. Club went back to what it does best, pumping money back into its academy to produce quality young players. At United this is not happening, we have scrimped on our youth setup for decades, and have completely failed to modernise.
5.) 01 May 2019 11:47:08
His appointment on an interim basis could possibly have been called sentimental. He got the job full time based on an astoundingly good ‘job interview’ in the form of one of, if not the best run of results in our history.
Personally I think that run made him an easy appointment and a deserved one. That doesn’t mean I’m convinced he’s the man to get us back to the top but at the very least I actually like and respect our manager again and plan on giving him my full support.
6.) 01 May 2019 12:43:25
World class players are the icing on the cake, but the hard working cogs of a side are the players who appreciate and understand what the club is about and they are the ones who fight for the badge. Occasionally you produce a world class player or bring in a young talent who develops into a world class talent who will understand the club and fight for the badge.
We need to start from ground zero, we need to bring in the players who will be the foundation of the next team. It is next summer when we will be able to bring in the "world class" players. This summer it's about bringing in the right players with the right attitude to move the club forward.
7.) 01 May 2019 13:10:45
I agree Shappy. This summer should be about bringing in players willing to put in the work in every game. But it should also be about the club making a commitment to invest heavily in the academy to modernise facilities, and to bring in the best coaching staff available. And for Ed Woodward to demonstrate that he is willing to step away from the footballing side by bringing in an experienced DOF.
Unfortunately, I can see only one of these things happening, and this will just add another layer of paper to the obvious cracks.
8.) 01 May 2019 13:16:11
Well said RWWD.
Shapps good points.
Would you think then we have the right manager with the right attitude?
9.) 01 May 2019 13:31:31
The approach of let’s get him or him is perfectly possible with United’s budget. In fact, the point being missed here is that is exactly the mess we need to clean up. Scattergun recruitment made possible by finance without football intelligence.
I agree with the fact that United need to recruit players that fit a United tradition of football that is also fit for the future.
It’s not easy but it’s perfectly achieveable.
10.) 01 May 2019 13:59:03
You either think we're doomed of not and I don't buy all this disarray nonsense. This team finished 2nd last year. There are clearly some issues to resolve but they are not insurmountable. Some need to go, we need strengthening, we need to be much fitter and work harder, we need to change the mood.
11.) 01 May 2019 15:06:17
Yes Tony but you see the only manager that could have gotten us that 2nd position was shown the door to keep these idiots at the club. The same idiots who as per Ed002 the club is adamant to keep beyond this summer. So it seems that the club is in disarray or atleast the board is.
GDS2, we WERE a big club now we are struggling to put 11 players on the field who want to play for the once big club. Remember AC Milan, would you call them big anymore?
Agree with Shappy thatthis summer we need to buy right rather than buy big.
RWWD, Ole's appointment was sheer luck that we were able to beat Spurs even though we didn't deserve to and got super lucky in Paris a game which we didn't even play in for 89 minutes or so. So, Ole's appointment, like it or not, was a sentimental one.
12.) 01 May 2019 15:14:01
I think that Ole should be sat with Woodward and DOF/ sporting director/ technical director at the end of the season saying this is my vision for United whilst I'm at the helm, and these are the type of players I need to implement it and the positions I need strengthening.
Woodward and the DOF etc. should then be tasked with getting these players starting with first choice then on to other players if these are unattainable.
Whether the club gets Champions League or not, Manchester United will carry a certain allure - certainly for players from the British Isles, in the same way Madrid and Barcelona do for European teams.
13.) 01 May 2019 16:31:28
The problem is at executive level. Martial is a case in point. Jose clearly reached the end of his tether with his lack of effort and wanted him sold. Jose gets the chop and then Martial gets a new contract. Now I'm all for protecting our investment and ensuring we get a fee rather than lose out on a bosman. But talk now is Ole has reached the same point as Jose re martial. As anyone who's saw his (lack) of warm ups has. Yet apparently he's unsellable.
14.) 01 May 2019 17:19:17
Mort, I guess we will see if proper action is taken this close season. Martial needs to go, Pogba and Lukaku need to decide what they are doing, I’m happy for both Togo, then we need to:strengthen, something we continue to get wrong.
15.) 01 May 2019 18:38:47
That right there is the lack of vision becksrightboot. If the manager has to sit with Ed after the season ends and let him know his style and the player he wants then we are in for a loooooong summer. Ole should already have his list ready and on Ed's desk by now. Ed should be working on those transfers as we speak. Ole has been here for 6 months now and should be ready by now.
16.) 01 May 2019 19:08:09
United Addict,
Hang on a minute. You say the following .
"RWWD, Ole's appointment was sheer luck that we were able to beat Spurs even though we didn't deserve to and got super lucky in Paris a game which we didn't even play in for 89 minutes or so. "
So by your own admission the appointment was based on RESULTS (whether lucky or not is another debate), not sentiment. If he'd lost more and still been appointed you might have a point.
17.) 02 May 2019 04:38:37
RWWD, it was sheer sentiment and nothing else. The hysteria and the emotion of that night in Paris have him the job, not the game. Anyone who watched the game would tell u that we were absolute trash in that game but gods hands played for us.
18.) 02 May 2019 12:04:10
We might just have to agree to differ on this but are you saying that it was that one night that got him the job? It was a series of results that made his appointment possible. Sentiment may well have come into it to some degree but without the results it wouldn't have happened. Therefore the results are what got him the job - any manager getting those results as caretaker at any club would have led to their appointment IMO.
Peace.
19.) 02 May 2019 13:09:23
UA, how do you know Ole hasn't already done that?
20.) 02 May 2019 18:43:58
Come on Stevie, now i know you don't like my anti Ole and anti Rashford views but atleast play fair. Proof read my post before shooting a reply. My post was a mere reply on becksrightboot where he suggested that Ole needs to sit with Ed after the season ends to discuss transfers. My post started on the notion of "if" it has not been done than there's a lack of vision on the club and Ole's side.
RWWD, if you want to take into account the results against the mighty Bournemouths and Cardiffs et al then true, the results played a part. The 2 results that actually were good were the 2 cup games against Chelsea and Arsenal. PSG was a fluke. But agree to disagree. Each to his own.
21.) 02 May 2019 21:44:02
UA,
There once as a man called Maze.
For a united addict you’re a miserable person. Try posting something constructive or positive every now and again, otherwise you just look like a troll.
22.) 03 May 2019 04:50:47
GDS2 if you don't like my posts don't bother replying to them. don't even read them for all i care. But never and i repeat the word NEVER try telling me what to do and what not to do.
I know there was a person named MAZE but do you know there IS an animal called an ass or a donkey. If you do, then stop acting like it. I love my life, so miserable i am not. can't say the same about you though. I know you fantasize Ole in your dreams but see facts amd what's real. It the team that has been miserable. Dare i say the performances and the results over the past 4 months have made look like Jose played attacking football and got better results.
23.) 03 May 2019 08:37:42
Within the last 4 months we went on one of the longest winning runs from any manager.
Just a bit of friendly advice, if you're a happy person it would be good to be happy and positive on here, there is enough misery in this world without being so negative about our footie team. You might think we are terrible but we have been more successful than this amazing Liverpool team under Klopp and we might have to go through a bit more hard times but that is just footie, we will be back I have no doubts.
01 May 2019 08:03:37
Sterling young player of the year, I remember when Ravel Morrison used to play him off the park, he just didn't know what he had, what a shame.
1.) 01 May 2019 12:26:07
Poor attitude and no desire to be the best.
You can have all the skill and ability you want but if the work ethic isn't there then your just bang average at.
2.) 01 May 2019 22:35:27
Mario Balotelli.
17 Oct 2021 00:51:39
bull, it’s the manager!
07 Oct 2021 10:42:32
I wonder if Shappy and OGS have ever been seen in the same place at the same time……. just a thought!
06 Oct 2021 21:19:09
I used to enjoy hearing the managers take on the game but no more. Ole’s are cringeworthy I feel embarrassed for him and he looks equally embarrassed!
05 Oct 2021 21:11:55
I enjoy the site and banter but I very rarely post, I may start though as the whole Ole situation is getting to me!
I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the confines of the dressing room or on the training ground, but. I have to say that Ole is quite simply the most uninspiring manager and unlikely leader of men (or boys as he refers to them) that I have ever seen, his pre and post match press conferences are embarrassing and bordering on voyeurism. I can imagine that the gathered press have a right good laugh after them.
05 May 2019 16:03:36
I’m with you, I see no positives. I wouldn’t let OGS rebuild but the club probably will and like it or not the world class players will want Champions League, we will be looking at second rate players, or mercenaries being offloaded by the clubs that are rebuilding.