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21 Aug 2023 14:06:08
Looks like we are getting a deal sorted out for the Benfica keeper Odysseas Vlachodimos as back up for Onana which should on theory speed the process up of selling Henderson to either Forest or Palace.

sim01975

1.) 21 Aug 2023 15:25:26
I can't wrap my head around this,
yes we need a second keeper,
But how much of that is a priority?
Why isn't a midfield player or a striker like taremi coming in first.


2.) 21 Aug 2023 16:00:40
Backpass,

Maybe it’s a much easier deal?


3.) 21 Aug 2023 16:04:37
Backpass - I can't see this happening anyway.
Apparently he has a 51 million buy out clause so which is more expensive that our first choice keeper.


4.) 21 Aug 2023 16:16:15
It’s obvious isn’t it backpass? By getting a second keeper in for free potentially will help us sell Henderson hopefully for a good few which in turn helps us elsewhere? Can’t just not have a second keeper because everyone sulking that the midfield is struggling Jesus!


5.) 21 Aug 2023 21:00:35
And then we will delay a midfield signing and endup paying a premium.


 

 

12 Jul 2023 13:43:37
Chong to Luton 4 million pounds.

sim01975

{Ed077's Note - does the club have a sell on clause??}


1.) 12 Jul 2023 14:08:42
Ed077 - sorry no idea. Sky sports have just broke the news.


2.) 12 Jul 2023 14:22:09
Apparently 25% sell on clause.


3.) 12 Jul 2023 14:29:09
Not sure if true but rumours of 25% sell on clause in the contract. If true it seems a sensible approach to take a little less now with the potential to earn a bit more in a few years time if players develop.
Could be a good move for Chong as well.


4.) 12 Jul 2023 15:21:26
Wow, also seen Pau Torres to Villa, rags said we had some interest.


5.) 12 Jul 2023 15:51:11
Just been reading we put a 25% sell on clause in Chong's transfer, 30% in future Laird transfers and 40% in Iqbals which suggests although people are frustrated with the low fees, we are getting better at long term transfers with these players.


6.) 12 Jul 2023 16:52:01
I think people are getting a bit confused here, Chong left last summer, he is being signed for Luton from Birmingham so we would get £1m.


7.) 12 Jul 2023 17:42:15
This seems a good way to get the sell on clause out of the way before a big money net move.


8.) 13 Jul 2023 01:21:32
Did we have a sell on clause in Chong’s contract? I thought he left for free.


 

 

23 Jun 2023 10:42:42
3rd bid in for Mount.

sim01975

1.) 23 Jun 2023 13:43:17
Glad to see they’ve said take it or leave it. They know it can’t turn into another saga.


 

 

21 Jun 2023 13:21:52
2nd Mount bid rejected between 45-50 million.
Time to move on, Chelsea will loose him for nothing in 12 months.

sim01975

1.) 21 Jun 2023 13:59:49
When's the last time we walked away? Hopefully we do now, but you get the feeling the rejection is just like a red rag to a bull with our negotiators. Not sure he's worth the price of MacAllister and Kovacic combined but we'll give them what they want. If he wasn't English and it wasn't Utd, you get the feeling it would be a lot less.


2.) 21 Jun 2023 14:15:20
looks like a deal will be done around 55 to 60 mill that includes add ons. a bit of fish trading going on both parties.


3.) 21 Jun 2023 14:40:46
I think he's a cracking player but Chelsea are taking the p*ss wanting over 60-65 million pounds for a player with 12 months of his contract left.
I hope they loose him for nothing in 12 months, he signs for United and lands Chelsea in the rubbish with FFP rules the greedy bas*ards!


4.) 21 Jun 2023 14:42:22
What about backing the manager and getting him first choice targets? Or do we pull out now and moan about not being backed and getting second grade players in?


5.) 21 Jun 2023 14:50:23
Time to walk off £50m is accurate. Not worth more than that worth 12 months left.


6.) 21 Jun 2023 15:08:03
Havertz going for 65M, i think that sets the tone. I think Mount is a better player plus he is English so that will add to the cost.


7.) 21 Jun 2023 15:54:46
Personally think we will land at £55-60m including add ons. Middle of initial bid and there valuation. Havertz going for £65m with extra year on his deal has probably set a valuation along with some others leaving for the Saudi league meaning Chelsea can be a bit more bulish.


8.) 21 Jun 2023 16:20:12
Havertz is by far the better player.


9.) 21 Jun 2023 17:45:56
Also you are getting a player that Chelsea do not want to lose.
Mount is definitely quality. rather see mount start than fred or mctom so let's just pay a bit more and get him in.


10.) 21 Jun 2023 18:02:13
I just don’t get it. £55m+ for someone who will improve the squad but not the first XI sufficiently enough to get anywhere near City.
A Caicedo/ Rice midfielder is what was required far more - Casemiro can’t carry on being a one man band defensively.

{Ed002's Note - amount plays in a different position to Caicedo and Rice.}


11.) 21 Jun 2023 18:35:14
Not doubting that Mount is quality, he’s high energy and box to box. Perfect foil for Casemiro.

But………. (and this is controversial! ) how much better than McTominay is he? Scott has been slammed from all angles, but he still retains quite a few big club suitors keeping an eye on him. He’s high energy and likes a tackle, and is a solid performer on the international stage. If he was English…and playing regularly, would he perhaps be thought of a bit more highly? Is Mount 60 million pounds better? I’m not sure.


12.) 21 Jun 2023 18:49:55
Mount would be an upgrade on Eriksen, better engine for the tempo EtH wants to play.


13.) 21 Jun 2023 21:29:10
FiremanC, big clubs monitoring Mctominay? Like West Ham and Everton? The clubs who have interest in Mount are Barca, Real, Juve etc hardly the same at all ? as for the ‘English tax’ it’s more of a HG tax which Mctom counts as.


14.) 21 Jun 2023 21:47:41
Jesus what a moaning bunch we are!
Forget his contract status etc if we can get a player off of MM quality ( and he is ) who instantly improves our starting 11 for 55-60 million I think that’s excellent business! We’ll get minimum 6 / 7 years out of him!


15.) 21 Jun 2023 23:07:16
From a CFC prospective I hope you consider Mount too expensive and walk away.

He is a class player and given todays market is a snip at £70mil let alone £60mil.

Comparisons with Havertz are misleading but he will influence far more games than Havertz. He scores, creates and finds space between the lines.

I will be gutted to see him leave my club and move to a premiership rival but these things happen. How we can let a player voted twice by fans as our player the season in the last three seasons leave is something I’m struggling to understand.


16.) 22 Jun 2023 00:32:04
Completely agree Tom, no idea why he seems to get so much hate, i think he is a fantastic player and will fit into a need Ten Hag has.

I can fully uderstand why Chelsea won't let him go for less than thwir asking price someone will pay and i am sure we will eventually.


17.) 22 Jun 2023 06:18:41
Grim spot on and tom I totally agree. He gives us the mobility and creativity in midfield. He always puts in a shift both sides of the ball. I think he will be a good signing for us.

adding mount and rabiot/ ambrabat as a fred replacement and we have significantly improved our midfield.


18.) 22 Jun 2023 09:52:07
I would be happy with Mount and Rabiot on a free.
Rabiot had a superb last season. 48 games, 11 goals and 6 assists.
He would certainly help out Casemiro in the midfield.
Rice is going Arsenal or Man city.


19.) 22 Jun 2023 10:39:25
Said it before. There's a reason every coach who's worked with him has loved him. He takes on instructions and follows them. Simple. Intelligent player, who gets mocked for being a teacher's pet, because he's capable of doing what he's told. Not sexy enough for some. I'd have him in my team every time.


20.) 22 Jun 2023 11:07:56
Don't really see the need to take any skepticism towards the player as hate.
I just think he's massively overpriced given his contract status and that again Utd are having the p*** taken out of them given some other transfers that other clubs have already made. If he had two years left and was coming off the back of a blinding season then fair enough.
I get that the manager has (shock) seen what the player can do up close when on loan in the Dutch league. I believe if the manager wants him we should go for it. He's prioritising the player over pretty much everyone and is the one he wants, so let's get him, hopefully for less than the £65m asking price.


21.) 22 Jun 2023 11:37:50
You just need to browse through the Chelsea page to see how much the fans want to keep him. He’ll be a quality addition. Rice looking unlikely unless the most convoluted transfer in history happens swapping in McT and Maguire, so Rabiot feels sensible.

Then frees us up to buy a striker (Greenwood is clearly coming back as back up striker), and a defender if Maguire or Lindelof move on. If they don’t, we don’t need to do anything at the back in my opinion this season.

The biggest problem is GK. What are we doing there.


22.) 22 Jun 2023 12:40:11
Mount is a quality player. However, I just don’t see a midfield of Bruno, Mount, and Casemiro working against teams with even a little bit of quality in midfield. From what I’ve seen of him, he’s at his best a little further up the field in the kind of positions where Bruno likes to operate.

As far as squad depth goes, having a player of Mount’s quality who could fill in for Bruno would be great, but what we really need is a Declan Rice kind of player. Spending any more than £50m on a player with only a single year left on their contract seems like bery bad business already, more so when you consider that we’ll probably still need to play one of McFred or Eriksen in bigger matches, or bring in another top class midfielder to play alongside Bruno/ Mount and Casemiro.


23.) 22 Jun 2023 13:17:43
How much better than McTominay is he? Ermm an absolute million times.


24.) 22 Jun 2023 17:45:50
Leicester want £50m for Maddison and he only has 1 year left on his contract too. Mount is definitely worth £20m more than Maddy easy.


 

 

27 Apr 2023 14:19:07
Vanderson from Monaco is the latest rumour for our right back position.

sim01975

1.) 27 Apr 2023 15:29:27
Seen him a couple of times and seems a good little player. Although personally we should only be looking to make a change at RB after we've signed a CF, GK, CM and CB at least.


2.) 28 Apr 2023 10:36:34
I can see us making a move for Jurrien Timber to cover and push varane but also to cover and push the RBs for a year or 2 perhaps even free up and CB and a RB to leave.

Wouldnt be cheap but some of the cost could be offset in sales and makes sense in terms of style and fit anogside EtH Lisandro amd Anthony.


3.) 29 Apr 2023 10:43:14
Oakbark i have the same feeling.
There is a twitter post for it as well.
I do not like Timber and Martinez CB partnership as you need someone in the PL who is tall and I think mctominay starts because of this reason.
But timber and dalot at RB would be brilliant.
I have absolutely loved awb and would not sell him but if eth feels the team is better off without him then I can't say anything.
But awb has shown once again that he is world class in 1v1 defending. And definitely looks a bit better going forward.


 

 

 

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25 Jul 2023 12:27:21
Sounds like ETH is eager to get the Amrabat deal done before the Hojlund deal.
I think the Hojlund deal will depend on how much money we raise from outgoing players (is it get's done) .

sim01975

1.) 25 Jul 2023 13:12:40
I assume this is more a case of one being naturally more advanced than the other. Sales will be needed by the end of the window to balance the books but so long as we are confident of bringing money in I doubt Hojlund/ Amrabat will be held up by sales needed in advance.
If we can get both in over the course of the next week we will be in a great place to review the squad over the remainder of the tour and what final ins/ outs required.


2.) 25 Jul 2023 13:31:31
Brad76 - i hope you are right.
I would be more than happy with Mount, Onana, Abrabat and Hojlund.
I think that would be a great window for us.


3.) 25 Jul 2023 14:45:07
Bringing in Onana, Mount, Houjland and Arambat would be an amazing window, upgrading in several positions and giving us multiple tactical options against a range of formations and pressing models.

Also promising youngsters Mainoo, Hannibal, Fernandez and Amad to add to first team squad depth.

Also, apparently Sancho being conditioned for second striker, so again more options in attack.

Would be brilliant window if can sell players not part of longer term thinking, such as Fred, Maguire, McTominay, Donny, Williams and Maguire, as well as getting decent money for youngsters such as Pellistri and Bishop (Elanga, Savage and Iqbal already gone) .

Going to be a really tight battle this year for too 4 (and even for the title) between City, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Newcastle - and maybe even Villa.


4.) 25 Jul 2023 15:24:09
I must admit i love the look of Mainoo.
He looks more than capable of looking after himself on the pitch.
Very calm with the ball at this feet, good passer, quick thinker and bags of strength.
I hope he can break in to that first team squad this season and bag a few first team games.


5.) 25 Jul 2023 16:11:24
I'd like a pint of what Wallace is drinking.


6.) 25 Jul 2023 18:15:49
Yeah, but we’ll be sorted for a range of formations and pressing models………….


7.) 25 Jul 2023 19:21:35
I for 1 liked Wallace’s optimism. These pages would be a much more enjoyable read with more posts like his whether you agree or not. We’re all optimistic fans really and under ten hag even more so.


8.) 25 Jul 2023 20:57:01
Love it Wallace, selling my Maguire twice is genius.


9.) 25 Jul 2023 23:12:28
Wallace - Don't forget Spurs and Brighton. West Ham may be a surprise package this season if they get their targets in the door.


10.) 25 Jul 2023 23:15:24
What makes you think any of that? Twitter rumours?


11.) 26 Jul 2023 07:46:56
Not convinced about Spurs Syd, depends on what happens with Kane.

Brighton will have list two best players but their recruitment fantastic and will have older Ferguson scoring goals.

Not sure about West Ham though.


12.) 26 Jul 2023 08:54:27
By all accounts according to people that watch a lot of Serie A Amrabat had a pretty club average season, yet was brilliant for Morocco. Wonder how much was down to his role and suitability in either team. Hopefully Utd play more like Morocco than Fiorentina!


13.) 26 Jul 2023 10:54:05
I'm on the fence with Amrabat, he's clearly a good player, but I'm not sure he's definitely good enough for where we want to be.

He has been a mixed bag for Fiorentina putting in both memorable and forgettable performances.

Maybe EtH has a plan for him, maybe he thinks he can take him up a level. I don't know.

What I do know is I'm very skeptical of judging players for their international performances. Personally I feel the quality of international football has declined or at least club football has surpassed it in terms of quality. Either way it seems foolish to judge a player based on their performances at a lower standard of football than you'll want them to play at.

Also things like the world cup are such a small sample size. 6 good performances in 4 weeks is nowhere near enough to judge a player.

I also feel strongly about giving Mainoo a real chance this season. Give him some proper minutes and see what he can do and how he can develop. I certainly wouldn't want to block his pathway to getting that playing time with an average or slightly above average player.

I've always said we should only sign players who are either better than our current starting player in that position, or who have the potential to be better.

I don't see Amrabat as better than Casemiro or even potentially better.


14.) 26 Jul 2023 13:06:19
Maybe Amrabat compliments Casemiro if we go with a box formation like a 3223 when we've got the ball. Amrabat and Casemiro with Mount/ Sancho and Bruno further forward. Martinez could also play there hence why we are looking at CB's and maybe not so much fullbacks now. Not saying we will play like that but getting another CDM gives plenty of options if ETH wants to change style.


15.) 26 Jul 2023 15:57:01
We need to consider how poor we were away from home against strong opposition. Our home form was excellent all season. In big games we were poor against any decent team, and the reason was that we were over run in midfield.

Now mount may add some legs and a bit more bite to the press than Eriksen and sancho for example. But I think we still need to be able to play more solid in the middle against teams like city, liverpool and in UCL away from home.

Fred and mctominay may be more robust, but they both struggle to play EtHs passing style. Fred with loose passes to often and mctominay is not good at finding passing angles and space.

Mainoo looks a good player. But we have to consider what happens if cassemiro is out injured or suspended for a period of time. It is too much to expect Mainoo to play from the start against city/ liverpool away. Especially without an experienced player like cassemiro next to hin to guide him through.

Seems like fred leaves. Possibly McTom leaves. Amrabat or another comes in and Mainoo is 3rd choice CDM/ B2B. Plenty of chance to feed him into the squad and see if he can make it. Similar to garnacho last year, who was handled pretty well.


 

 

07 Jun 2023 13:34:27
So the Sheikh has submitted a final 5th bid.

sim01975

1.) 07 Jun 2023 17:39:24
Not feeling state ownership.


2.) 07 Jun 2023 23:32:13
Not feeling Chemical Company Ownership.


3.) 08 Jun 2023 07:39:02
Let’s hope the Sheikh is successful. The divisive Ratcliffe bid that includes continuity Glazer involvement is totally unacceptable and would leave us with a toxic club.


4.) 08 Jun 2023 09:10:46
So a 5th and final bid on the back of his 4th take it or leave it bid hmmm.


 

 

17 Mar 2023 12:19:57
Sevilla. that's a 50/ 50 tie.
Very tough match.

sim01975

1.) 17 Mar 2023 13:05:48
They are having a poor season. Betis are playing much better than them. We should easily sail through.


2.) 17 Mar 2023 14:41:02
Unruly - Believe me they won't sail through.
Sevilla have a great record this competition no matter how well or badly they are playing in the league.


3.) 17 Mar 2023 15:57:14
They are not the same team though simo. We should have this in the bag. Quite a few decent teams left in uefa, Sevilla are one of the easier ties to get.

For now we need to get our heads onto Fulham, not an easy tie. Especially without cassemiro.


4.) 17 Mar 2023 16:21:21
Logically we should have a strong chance of getting through, as mentioned they are having a poor season. However there is something about them and this cup. if we play well we should progress.


5.) 17 Mar 2023 17:15:30
No teams are easy at this stage, all ties looked potentially tricky for different reasons.

Sevilla have an unbelievable record in this competition. maybe they aren't playing as well in La Liga, but we aren't playing them in La Liga, we are playing them in the Europa League. A competition they have won SIX times.

A return trip to Seville after beating Sevilla's city rivals Real Betis will be interesting and isn't difficult to get to, which is a blessing. Difficult travel is best avoided during a congested and truncated season.

We will have to play well over both legs to progress to the Semi finals where one of Sporting or Juventus would await us if we were to prevail.

It looks like a we will have to make the final if we are to come up against our former manager Jose Mourinho. Which would be a tough game given both how well Roma are playing and Jose's record in finals.


6.) 17 Mar 2023 17:29:06
As long as we have a fit squad, we should go through. Beating barcelona and betis gives us a lot of confidence to go to spain and win.


7.) 17 Mar 2023 18:22:46
Sevilla are europa league royalty tbf, felt like they won it 7 years in a row at one point.


8.) 17 Mar 2023 18:41:11
Tough side of the draw. Sevilla are having a tough spell domestically but Spanish teams always seem to do well in European competitions. If we get through them it's juve or sporting. Sporting are a really good side. If we get through these 2 ties we have a good chance of winning it.


9.) 17 Mar 2023 18:43:13
No European game at this stage is easy

We should win but how many times have we said that before.


10.) 18 Mar 2023 00:09:45
I agree, far too often over the last 30 years I have seen the reaction to European draws, generally its overplaying our hand and underestimating to opposition.


11.) 18 Mar 2023 00:14:46
We're not what we were, they're not what they were. We'll sail through.


 

 

16 Mar 2023 16:51:10
Lot of talk today about United looking at Randal Kolo Muani.
Don't know much about him or what kind of a striker he is.

sim01975

1.) 16 Mar 2023 21:02:08
He's a wide forward who is learning to play in the middle, direct, quick and strong, probably be best if he had another season developing before a move to one of the big boys. a lot of noise surrounding him since the World Cup. Probably best described as not yet the finished article.


 

 

28 Feb 2023 14:43:56
Doesn't look very promising regarding the sale of the club.
Lets hope that Sheikh Jassim Bin Hamad Al Thani ups the bid.

Glazers split on sale article

sim01975

1.) 28 Feb 2023 15:27:19
Spoilt children bickering over Dads inheritance. They should make a reality tv show like the Kardashians.


2.) 28 Feb 2023 19:28:26
The Glazers, the Ferengi of football.


3.) 28 Feb 2023 22:27:05
The Glazers have definitely taken full advantage of leveraging Utds financials to their own advantage but they have also spent big.

Imagine if we had got ETH seven or eight years ago though. I have no doubt we would have had a far better squad than we do now and that we would have been serious competitors for the major trophies. The Glazers biggest error was letting Woodward interfere with the football side of things rather than isolating him to use his undoubted talents when it comes to raising revenue.

Also perhaps Jose Van Gaal Moyes Ole Rangnick should take a lot of the blame for not doing what ETH has shown can be achieved by a determined manager who understands the culture necessary to promote a united and winning club

I don't think the Glazers deserve all the criticism for the infield performances. Sure they are at fault for the lack of investment in the ground and training facilities and for loading the club with debt.

If they don't sell now then how they back the manager this summer and how they address the stadium issues will be very interesting.


4.) 01 Mar 2023 01:19:19
They have absorbed c£2bn in non-footballing costs, Man City owners have invested £2bn plus in their infrastructure, team etc. That's a £4bn swing. That's one hell of an impact on our progress over the years.

Can you imagine where we would be now had we been able to spend everything that we made via our sponsorships, sales, ticket sales etc? Nothing more or extra, Just being able to be self sufficient and spend what we make as a club.

The Glazers have been the worst thing to happen to Manchester United. And it could have and should have been avoided. Time for change and we have the right manager to take us forward. What we are missing is a decent owner to go with it.


5.) 01 Mar 2023 07:25:44
Exactly Sydney

The leeches need to sell, preferably to a buyer who doesn’t need debt to support the purchase. I don’t think Ratcliffe bid is possible without a debt, so have to swing behind the Qatari bid. We need the Glazers out now, the poison removed from the club, get the Qatar owners moving on taking us forward, planning for next season. The Glazers don’t care about the future of the club or if it has time to plan for next season, they just care about money. Take their pieces of silver and get lost.


6.) 01 Mar 2023 07:42:43
The thing is do u really think they are going to invest anything or sanction transfers this summer? if the sale process is ongoing I can’t see them doing much and it could throw eth plans in into turmoil. Everything from the manager and below is heading in the right direction but as united fans we all knew it would be the boardroom and above that would be the issue and that now looks to ever more true.


7.) 01 Mar 2023 09:14:37
Redman, your solution is to replace 'poison' with worse poison?

What in your view have the Glazers done which is so bad in comparison with the abuses of the autocratic Qatari Government you want to replace them with?

Let's compare a few of each ones' 'crimes':

Lack of investment in a stadium vs modern day slavery
Ineffective player transfers vs imprisoning homosexuals
Making money vs Oppression of democracy
Poor choice of club management vs Abuse and intimidation of women

It's a close call Redman, I'm not sure who is worse. Which ones do you think?


8.) 01 Mar 2023 10:03:52
MancMan
If the Qatari bid wins are you going to disown the club? Refuse to renew your season ticket? Demonstrate outside the ground on match days? Never watch matches on TV? Never utter the club name again to save the bitter taste?
Genuine question. What do you propose to do?


9.) 01 Mar 2023 10:31:54
Lol here we go again.


10.) 01 Mar 2023 11:50:46
Mancman, Sheikh Jassim is not a country :)


11.) 01 Mar 2023 12:39:13
I've never liked the Glazers but there simply aren't going to be that many folks out there who are going to be prepared to meet their publicized minimum asking price. It makes no sense from a financial point of view.

If the new owner somehow breaks trust with the traditional fan base, which is to say those who go to matches, and those of us long time supporters in the United diaspora, then maybe we will somehow be able to drag ourselves away from our lifetime commitment. But otherwise my guess is that hardly anyone will actually stop watching matches, particularly if the team is going to now go on a run of success. Like all the other clubs that have taken the money, once the initial brouhaha has worn off, the fans will be back in droves if footballing expectations are met or exceeded. And even if they do break the trust, for example by finally executing a European Super League or similar, they will no doubt have calculated that the alternative revenue stream outweighs the loss of any individual peon. Face it. There's not much likelihood of avoiding a deal with one devil or another.


12.) 01 Mar 2023 13:22:44
Round in circles if anybody does not approve then go. The club will sell your seat no problem.
But probably best to wait until you know more detail.
I know many fine people from today part of the world that I'd be delighted to have invest in mine or any other business.


13.) 01 Mar 2023 13:45:38
Mancman

I don’t check where the oil or petrol comes from when I fill up and can bet you don’t. I don’t check who owns a shop before I buy from it. There were many who said things about Qatar and the World Cup before they saw the size of their pay cheque.

I focus on the best deal for the football club, just the football and leave the rest to those who want to glue themselves to the motorway. The football is all I am interested in and if Qatar is the best, can pass a fit and proper test, then I am not going to judge anyone I don’t know.


14.) 01 Mar 2023 13:52:24
Truth is that anyone with a sense of morality abhors the Qatari regime for its abuse of peoples basic human rights. The Glazers are disliked for the way they have financially abused our club.

The sad reality is that there is little we can do to stop them in the short term. In the longer term though the club will survive them and new generations of supporters will hopefully be free of such hated figures.

In the short term it would be stupid and counter productive for supporters not to attend and support the players. We might be banned from displaying banners in the stadium but they can't stop us protesting outside the stadium and on social media. In stadia they cannot stop us protesting eg by a mass turning of our backs to the pitch at a pre determined time game after game. It will be picked up by TV and there is nothing the owners can do to stop it. Do this game after game and the owners will be shamed and it might help to get rid of them.


15.) 01 Mar 2023 16:18:09
How many have turned their backs at the Etihad, St James park or the le parc des princes? None would be my guess. The so called moral police can only be found on such pages and social media where they can hide behind a fake user name. In real world they are like you and me working out of buildings built by Middle Eastern folks, using their oil etc.

Best to focus on what's best for the club, rather than the "society"


16.) 01 Mar 2023 19:35:52
TrueRedDevil - he is the son of the former prime minister and he is the ex head of the national bank. The money he represents is a sovereign wealth fund owned by the Qatar Government.

Fizz, if the Qatari Government buys Man Utd i will disown the club. It will cease to exist in my universe. I cannot control who buys it but I can control my reaction to that. It's beyond me why anyone would want to support a club which is owned by a nasty Government for the sole purpose of sports washing to try to cover up its nasty actions. When you wash something filthy the water left behind is soiled.

Redman; that's just whataboutary. You said the Glazers are poison and you support the Qatari bid even though their ownership would poison the club on a scale well beyond what the Glazers have done. You can say you're just interested in the football but it doesn't work like that. You can't separate the football from the owners. Besides, if that's truly the case, what are you doing having an opinion on the current owners, the Glazers, in the first place?

It seems it's all very convenient for everyone to just ignore what a rotten set of barstewards are trying to buy this great football club. You should be outraged that they and all the other king canoots are trying to screw up the premier league and football as we know and love it for the sake of sanitising the terrible things that they do.


17.) 01 Mar 2023 22:10:24
MancMan. I get where you’re coming from. You are entitled to your opinion. However preaching like the proverbial Jehovee on the door step isn’t welcome. If you go, then go well and enjoy life. Good day Sir.


18.) 01 Mar 2023 22:33:15
People trying to put their politics on me and inform me of why I should or shouldn't support my football club doesn't get me up in arms at all. It actually makes me want them as owners more just to get the backs up of those who wish to force feed my their political view.

My take is quite simple, I want the Manchester United owners to be the best people to bring sustained success for United. And if that's the Qataris then so be it, a few people might get mad online but hey ho there will be another crusade tomorrow against something else they can get mad about and hope that others will care this time.


19.) 01 Mar 2023 23:13:33
Mancman. You are entitled to your opinion. If you feel you have to make the choice to walk away then go in peace. I know it will be difficult and you will leave with a heavy heart.
I'm not sure if you have ever visited that part of the world I've met some of the most kind, intelligent and trustworthy people your ever likely to meet.
So much has changed there over the past 20 years and things will continue to change as more western cultures are adopted as people become more exposed.
Not everything stays the same.


20.) 01 Mar 2023 23:58:59
Ken whilst it is true that exposure to more western ideals will increase in the Middle East and undoubtedly there will be plenty of wonderful people there the sad fact is that the despotic regimes in control have and will continue to allow brutal acts and treat lesser mortals as disposable according to their whims.

Football has real potential to positively benefit society. It brings people. supporters. together from all geographical areas, religions, nations and together we celebrate the joy and sometimes the despair that unfolds weekly. These despots daily cause despair for thousands and thousands. That is totally not what football is about.

How anyone can say that supporters should not want morality involved? When football takes a stand against racism or promotes the handicapped is that not being moral? When we all applauded Rashford for taking on the government re school meals is that not taking a moral stand?

I don't want to win at all costs if it means football loses its soul and morality.


21.) 02 Mar 2023 08:03:38
So being racist against folk in the middle east is OK is it?


22.) 02 Mar 2023 12:17:41
Quite right Salford7.

Ken, who's being racist against people in the middle east? I haven't read one criticism on this site of people from that region. All the ire is directed at their Governments.

I don't understand why everyone is either blind or wilfully ignorant to what terrible things these Governments do to millions of people.

If you support a football club which is owned by one of these regimes then by default you are supporting that regime. I know that's an unpalatable thought for you all but that's the reality of the situation.

If Qatar buys Utd and you continue to support Utd then you are complicit in slavery, imprisonment of people for their beliefs and oppression of women.


23.) 02 Mar 2023 13:33:58
I will support my football club if Qatar buys it, as I did when journeying into smoggy poor Manchester back in the late 60’s. I would not be complicit in anything by doing that, any more than you by watching the World Cup. The sanctimonious repressive nonsense these days from thought police telling us how to think is at ridiculous levels now. I have done business with the Middle East, visited it and actually they are honourable in business, a hand shake can be like a contract for them. I will watch, support my club whoever owns it and let those who want to protest at least do it on the basis of what they do for the club.

As to oppression of women, the Scottish Government did a fine job of oppressing women recently so let’s not preach about other countries. Does that mean a Scottish buyer wouldn’t be welcome?

Let’s get the best bid, enjoy a nice new non leaky stadium and owners who don’t foist debt on the club, don’t take dividends and enjoy what can be seen on the pitch. If you want to glue yourself to the Motorway, I hope the police follow the French approach.


24.) 02 Mar 2023 14:24:23
MancMan
A) 'Qatar' is not buying United. A particular individual/ family from Qatar has entered a bid to buy the club.

B) "If Qatar buys Utd and you continue to support Utd then you are complicit in slavery, imprisonment of people for their beliefs and oppression of women. " ENOUGH. Heard enough of your wild allegations and accusations. By all means have an opinion but please, enough now.
Sounding like a vegan. You forget that you yourself will be equally complicit given the by products of Middle East oil that you undoubtedly consume/ use without questioning it's origin. Just think about that for a while, give your head a wobble and lighten up with the insults.


25.) 02 Mar 2023 17:55:23
MancMan, I was born in the middle East, a Christian, but lived in the UK all my life since the age of 9.

Of course everyone has views on the political and human rights situations around different countries. But please make no mistake that what we do over here or the USA or China or India is any different. Every country has its problems, every country has its rules and regulations.

So, for this argument and as the Glazers are US citizens, let's ask some questions on the way America is run, do you agree with their gun laws, do you agree with their foreign policies on attempting to control the world for their own benefits, do you agree with their handling of the Mexican border.

Whether you do or not, should not matter, because USA didn't buy United and the Qatar nation will not buy United, and if Sir Jim buys United, then the UK isn't buying it, but Sir Jim is.

All nations do terrible things, all nations have their own rules. But United are a "football" club, so please keep the political out as these should not matter.

I can vouch that the middle east and far east countries are all football mad, so we hope that any Qatari buyout will go towards improving the facilities, old Trafford, the nearby area, the staff and the team, I can assure you that they'll not be introducing Qatari influences on our flawless society.


 

 

 

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Martinez isn't the type of player that will want to sit it out on the side lines, he will want to back playing ASAP even if it means playing the last 3-4 games.
The guy is a winner through and through.

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25 Jan 2024 14:57:10
I don't get the hate for Varane.
His only fault is that he's a bit injury prone but isn't every player at United injury prone.
Apart from Martinez he's by far our best centre back.

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DSG - I wouldn't put anything past that club at the moment.
It's the club that just keeps giving.

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20 Dec 2023 10:48:29
Ahmad - it all depends on how much they get for Casemiro. The Saudis pay stupid money. If we get something like 30-40 million for him we could look at replacing him with someone like Khephren Thuram. A much younger, quicker, hungrier player.
Hopefully we can get rid of Sancho and get a bit of money in for him.
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I would sell him regardless of the what money is offered.
Get rid.

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04 Mar 2024 16:50:28
Spot on Shawthing.

I honestly don't know what these pundits expected yesterday.
you go toe to toe with City you get hammered. ETH got his tactics correct. Try and soak up the pressure and hit them on the counter attack with what we had available.
I haven't heard one pundit on TV or on Radio mention anything about our injury crises.
Never mind that we had 2 if not 3 of our first 11 defenders out injured who would of probably played yesterday in Shaw, Martinez and possibly Wan Bissaka.
We had no focal point up front to hold the ball up because our top scorer was out injured in Hoijland.
When Liverpool, Arsenal or Newcastle get 1 injury it's all over the tv and radio.
that performance was as good as i expected yesterday, we were never going to go there out pass and score them.

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We can go over it again and again and again but the fact is that this is the worse brand of football since Fergie retired.
They are absolutely horrible to watch!
I always have been a fan of ETH but some of the absolute crap he's spouting at the moment is just embarrassing. How can he stand in front of a camera and keep saying we are on the right path, we are improving when clearly we are not improving. The fans are not stupid, we do watch every game Eric and the results don't lie.

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21 Feb 2024 10:29:57
Never really been sure about Southgate.
He has got an amazing team to select from and should definitely be winning the EUROS this year. I have a sneaky feeling he may well do it as well.

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He's been going through a bad period for 18 months and only seems to be getting worse.
He is so frustrating to watch. His passing is awful, he constantly gets caught on the ball thinking he has all the time on the world. Most of the good attacking positions we get in to break down when he gets the ball.
I agree, he's not first on the list to get rid of, their a loads of players that need to be kicked out of the door before Bruno.
The first one i would kick out would be Rashford. His attitude stinks the place out. Replace Rashford with Mitoma from Brighton.
Closely followed by that clown Sancho! .

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19 Feb 2024 19:36:39
Says it all really.

Sky article rashford gives barkley free rein

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