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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.

shawthing

1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.


2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.


3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.

GGMU.


 

 

26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.

shawthing

1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.


2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.


3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.


4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.


5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.


6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.


7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.


8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.


9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.


 

 

02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.

shawthing

1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "


2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.


 

 

13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.

shawthing

1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!


2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.


4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.


 

 

05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.

shawthing

1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.


2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.


3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.


4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.


5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?


6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?


7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .


Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .


8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.


9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.


10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.


11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.


12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'


13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.


 

 

 

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18 Aug 2022 00:01:42
Well as boring as our football has been it's hardly ever boring being a Man Utd supporter! We're stuck in the middle of a media soap opera. I've spent far more time than usual on this page - like a number of others- repeating myself ad infinitum.

Could we be seeing the denouement of the Glazer's hold on our beloved club? I truly hope so.

There's been much talk about LBOs etc and whether they should be allowed. I'm against them generally, but particularly for football clubs, which are so much more than just plain businesses. In this modern era, football clubs have enormous reach around the world but in terms of business size they are small to small mid-cap companies. Football's strength and global is that it is steeped in history and tribal rituals. And as such, if the leader shows no loyalty to his/ her army, the whole thing falls apart. A football club is not like your favorite toothpaste where you can change your brand. Supporters are lifers. We regard the owners as trustees of traditions, and consider them to have a sacred duty to try to uphold them. The Glazers have destroyed all of this. And the LBO model they used, which by its nature uses the business's cash flow to finance the purchase, if applied generally, would destroy the sport as we have known it. LBO's threw millions of people out of work in order to create capital profits.

The attempt to create a European Super League franchise system was indicative of intent. Guaranteed participation and income. To hell with tradition.

An owner like Sir Jm, a Manchester man, has got to be an improvement even if success on the field remains elusive for a while. He will at least restore the bond between supporter and owner. We will sink or float together, just as it should be.

Keep your fingers crossed.

shawthing

1.) 18 Aug 2022 03:58:18
It’s hard to imagine a worse owner than the Glazers. That said, talk of a buyout couldn’t have come at a worse time. If the Glazers really are open to selling the club, they’ll have very little incentive to invest any more (of the club’s) money in player acquisitions during the remaining few weeks of the transfer window. If that’s the case, we’ll be stuck with McFred until at least January, by which point I could see Ten Haag getting the boot.


2.) 18 Aug 2022 04:33:54
If by end of this season, the club gets sold it's amazing progress irrespective of where we finish.


3.) 18 Aug 2022 08:25:59
Red seven…hard to imagine a worse owner…. have you forgot a certain Mr Mike Ashley!


 

 

16 Aug 2022 15:23:08
Rumour has it that United intend to save wages by getting rid of the DOF and replacing him with Joel Glazer. The club also intend to create a new profit center called the Edward Woodward School of Football Management. The most exciting part of the new stadium improvement plan is the retirement home for aging footballers, to be named the King Center or "O Centro Do Rei". It will be located in the Mega Store where there will be a major push to try and profit from memorabilia related to the days when MUFC was an actual football club. Luke Shaw is going to be moved sideways within the club, becoming the new catering manager.

shawthing

1.) 16 Aug 2022 16:18:33
Anderson is proposed to join Shaw, as he still has a lot to learn and can be the perfect mentor for Shaw.


2.) 16 Aug 2022 16:28:49
Either way rohan prawn sandwiches will be off the menu.


3.) 16 Aug 2022 18:02:40
Going to get rid of all the coaches too and put Neville and Shappy in charge of everything…they know it all….


 

 

15 Aug 2022 21:57:02
Am empty stadium will have little effect if season ticket holders keep resubscribing. To induce the Glazers to sell there will have to be a both empty stadiums now and, more importantly, a well supported pledged commitment not to renew season tickets if the Glazers are still the owners come the end of the season.

shawthing

1.) 15 Aug 2022 22:29:33
Never going to happen.

So you sling your season ticket in and a seat you’ve sat in for 20 years surrounded by people you’ve laughed and cried with……. miraculously it works, the Glazers are out and the good times beckon.

You then find out your back of the queue to watch your team and your in the wilderness for potentially years to come whilst waiting for a ticket to surface again.

It’s a noble idea but it ain’t going to happen. I think there needs to be a more in depth look at how to hit the Glazers in the pocket. Perhaps a big campaign to boycott the purchase of next years kits or a boycott of the Mega store and all merchandise for example.


2.) 16 Aug 2022 00:15:55
I wouldn't expect people to do that. I know some people think walk-outs are silly, but continuous mass walk-outs in televised games, being beamed around the world, is not a good look for the owners. Even for hard-nosed businessmen.


3.) 16 Aug 2022 08:45:49
It feels like we are at a tipping point with the Glazers where they might walk away, None of the remaining are as wedded to football as Malcom was and with the ever growing need to spend, fan groups doing there bit as well as some high profile people looking at bids it may be that the time is coming. Whether that is this year or next.
We are a club that if you strip the debt back, not be silly with wages that can run itself based on its income without big investment. what is needed is investment in the infrastructure and this is the bit that could be problematic if you are having to spend 4/ 5 Billion on a purchase.
Lets hope whoever is next will be better, have better relations with the fans etc. but it is a fickle thing and even someone like Abramovic is getting criticism now he has gone!


 

 

15 Aug 2022 12:23:38
Some morning observations and musings - probably wildly off the mark.

If the Glazer family stick together no one can simply come in and buy the club. If there were to be a fracture caused by competing family interests, a sale might become more appealing. The Glazer family shareholding, while still controlling, is now down to 69%.

Richard Arnold pretty much admitted that at the current time funds are not available for OT or training ground improvements. It's pretty clear transfer funds are very limited too. They need new investment. Where's that going to come from? They either have to issue new shares or enter into more debt. To acquire enough new capital (£500m+) to do all the things they've promised they risk losing control of the club. Given how incompetent they have been one wonders at what price a bank will underwrite more fixed debt.

I really don't see how our financial situation improves with the Glazers in control. The club is not particularly profitable any more, the interest on another £500m in debt will make it less so, and without success on the field and no marketing stars in the squad, one might assume that sponsorship deals will be on the decline.

Obviously, if EtH can turn the ship around it will be a different story, but can he do that with these players? It's looking like he'll need to be a miracle worker.

As for new owners I think there are probably a number of potential candidates who can put together consortia to acquire the club without the burden of excessive bank debt while making a commitment to invest further in the facilities and squad. How long did it take Chelsea to find a buyer?

My fear is that interested parties will wait on the sidelines expecting the Glazers to further destroy the value of the club to the point where they're forced to sell. If the season carries on like this and we're in the relegation zone, I have a hunch someone will make a significant offer before the end of the season.

They'll wait, because they will want to start from a point of very low expectations so they don't get blamed for anything.

shawthing

1.) 15 Aug 2022 12:35:37
The club is valued at 3 billion minimum, so a debt of 500 million is chicken feed, virtually any business will have loans secured against, it’s the way of most efficiency…… that’s not even a problem, and no potential buyer would even see it as such, your reading too much in to a debt of less then 20% of clubs value….


2.) 15 Aug 2022 12:51:14
Any new buyers will borrow as much as the banks are willing to lend. There is no such a thing as a cash buyer mate.

Even elon musk with all his wealth borrowing money as much as he can get to buy twitter.

If thst day comes don’t worry about how the deal is structured as long as the new ownership is professional and set up a very professional structure top down.


3.) 15 Aug 2022 13:45:05
I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

My concern revolves around the Glazers not selling. Can you honestly see them investing £500+ on the stadium and training ground and also investing the necessary £150-200m annually in the squad? If so, where are they going to get the money from. The club doesn't generate that much free cash flow.

Debt is fine and normal, but the higher it gets the greater the risk and the greater the cost. Remember those PIK notes at the time of the LBO? The club has not been profitable recently, the debt has been rising, and they need to reverse that trend, because while you may be correct in assessing the sale value of the until it's sold then it will have to exist within its current financial constraints. If they can't or don't want to raise money then none of the good things will happen. They will be left with driving down the wage bill.

I'm not worried about a potential buyer's finances at all. Anyone coming in will have all that lined up. I only wish someone would step up and do it. Tomorrow would not be soon enough.


4.) 15 Aug 2022 15:51:58
From ltv point of view the owners club could finance all the improvements to the stadium/ expand and the facilities and probably get a return on the investment especially if they expand the capacity.

As far investment into players goes, the club has spent over a billion of its own money on players. It generates plenty to compete in the transfer market as long as it stops neing the golden payday of players whose best is behind them which we seem to do over and over.

I don’t run the club but i assume the wage structure of the club is the biggest issue and current squad. I hope someone has put a plan together to systematicly clean it up whilst also investing in the squad. I would assume we have the worst return on wages if there was such a metric of any major club in europe.

Arsenal who are much smaller than us went through this a while ago and starting to reap the benefits but suffered along the way.


5.) 15 Aug 2022 16:34:28
I'm not sure the club or the Glazers will have the ability to repay any added loans or borrowings. The club is already facing a difficult time financially as it is not generating enough profit to cover the existing debts. So, how are they going to repay for new debts and borrowings? The idea of expanding the capacity is one way, but if the team is not successful, then the tickets will not be sold.
I think the club have been doing everything upside down, the plan should have been to build state of the art training facilities, build a young and hungry squad managed by a modern progressive manager, achieve success, then and only then, can they think about ground improvements and expansion. Without success on the pitch, any plan is useless.


 

 

14 Aug 2022 13:18:38
The fact that Martinez is small is a disadvantage but not necessarily disastrous. However Malacia (a full head shorter than Dunk ) is also small, which leaves the left side of defense completely vulnerable to aerial attack. Evra was small too. It wasn't much of a problem, but then he was in a team that knew how to attack with great midfielders and excellent forwards. Height is not a problem if you are actually controlling the ball in the opponent's half.

There's a lot of criticism of Rashford but we are not playing to his strengths. He tends to make runs from outside in. He was doing it yesterday but the midfielders didn't see them or simply didn't;t back themselves to make accurate passes. It's all too pedestrian. The same problems as last year with slow build up leaving the wingers 1 on 1, 2 or 3. Of course they don't shine.

I would drop Bruno for the Liverpool game. Their aggressive and highly organized press will take him out of the game. Varane should play with Maguire. But without anyone to distribute the ball it could be a long afternoon. We simply have to concentrate on defensive organization.

shawthing

1.) 14 Aug 2022 13:37:44
Praying for a draw against Liverpool who’ll be at us 100mph from minute one.

I still believe we have the right manager. It’s going to take time and money to turn this around though. Bruno I’d drop for sure but thought Eriksen forgot he’d left Brentford yesterday he was that bad.

I’m fearing for Ten Hag already. If we don’t get midfield reinforcements we are screwed.

Can only hope the press don’t hound him out if we remain winless in 3 or 4 weeks time.

Some huge games coming up. With a playing squad he was visibly shaking his head at yesterday.


2.) 14 Aug 2022 14:00:46
We’re in a real mess. The players can’t adapt to ETH’s and he can’t bring the right players in. And inept management structure don’t have a clue about scouting the right players for him. So, if ETH can’t coach the current players or adapt his style to the Prem, then we’re shafted for the season ?

Martinez clearly being targeted by teams; However, his attributes ideally suit a CDM, so maybe the best team at the moment is:

Heaton

Dalot/ Williams
Varane
Maguire (?)
Malacia

Martinez
Eriksen
Fred

Martial
Garnacho
Sancho.


3.) 14 Aug 2022 14:56:12
Wallace,

Bailly certainly deserves a chance to start instead of Maguire.


4.) 14 Aug 2022 15:08:37
Dalot or williams will get killed by diaz and nunez who likes yo drift wide left. Aws right back. He defends better than all the back 4. Just don’t ask him to go forward:) martial injured bud.

Midfield is an opinion piece as none if the options gives me sny confidence. Fred was awful yesterday. I mean horrible.


5.) 14 Aug 2022 15:11:54
Halesini, you say it will take money to sort this, is the 1 billion spent on the squad in the last ten years not enough? What you need is a decent scouting network and a team who know what they are doing when it comes to acquiring the right players for the club. As if not you lot can spend another billion and still be in this mess with another squad full of Pogba, Maguire, Fred, Veran type players on huge money doing very little. Money isn't the issue how its being used in the market is . Look at your noisy neighbours, you haven't spent much less than them I a similar time period and their squad is a galaxy away from yours.


6.) 14 Aug 2022 15:33:05
It baffles me that you would say Heaton is our best GK after one bad game from De Gea in the last 12 - 18 months.

He has been a leader and Uniteds best player sticking through all of the bad times.

He came out in front of the cameras and said has had made mistakes. Maguire is no where to be seen after his disastrous mistakes.

Usually a keeper can get away with mistakes, Ederson and Allison have both made them, the difference is they can rely on the rest of the team to still get a result. De Gea doesn't have that luxury.


7.) 14 Aug 2022 17:10:23
People talk about the heavy investment in the squad, but the problem is that the players we’ve brought in have been split between numerous managers. And a lot of those players have been bought in desperation with no recruitment plan whatsoever. I’m confident we only went in for Maguire because we were desperate, plus, we wanted to get one over Citeh.

Whatever happens we need to back this manager and he needs to stay in place for at least 5 years, even if he gets us relegated. Chopping and changing has done nothing for us so we need some continuity now.


 

 

 

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13 Jul 2022 16:16:29
Bailly has not shown the discipline required but he does have the athleticism. If good coaching can improve him, and he can remain uninjured, there is no reason why he should not fulfill some of his early promise.

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05 Jul 2022 21:02:24
Shappy, I made the point the other day that when SAF sold RVN and purchased Carrick everyone asked where would the goals come from. As it turned out the following season we scored more goals, had more goal scorers and won the title back. Football is a team game. If one's tactics are too oriented to a single source of goals they are just as likely to be less effective overall. Last year was our lowest EPL position and worst scoring season. Ronaldo's personal success could easily be seen as coming at the cost of the team as a whole.

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05 Jul 2022 14:42:22
If we get a "suitable offer" from Chelsea we should take it. Of course suitable from Chelsea may be more than suitable from some team outside England.

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04 Jul 2022 16:11:04
It's unfortunate for Ronaldo that when he came back last year he both underestimated the depths to which the team had sunk and overestimated his ability to change for the positive the prevailing dynamic created by 10 years of EW mismanagement, resulting in too many overpaid uncommitted and mediocre players and a poor manager. Now he may be stuck between a rock and a hard place. We'll see.

I, for one, hope he finds the level of team his ego requires, because at this stage in his career he's probably more of a distraction than a useful part of the overall rebuilding process. The man is a star, he's accomplished everything, he's extremely wealthy, but we have to face facts, the internal drive that's led to all these accomplishments means that when push comes to shove his personal glory is his sine qua non. He may say he loves United, but he loves himself far more. That's okay. I don't resent him at all. He would not be the player he is if that were not so. I just hope that if United get a decent offer they'll let him move on rather than bind him to a project to which he's not committed.

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04 Jul 2022 14:29:31
Eriksen is also an excellent free kick taker, and very much a threat to score from around the edge of the penalty area. I think we will see him rather than Bruno or Ronaldo, if he stays, given the bulk of the responsibility.

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17 Aug 2022 21:39:40
At this time the club is not a cash cow. Let's assume it would sell for £3bn net of debt. Their 69% stake is £2bn less taxes. Invested somewhere else they would earn up to £100m a year. which is way more than they're taking now.

The right offer will see them gone. Problem is the price paid for Chelsea will mean they will probably hang out for a very unrealistic figure: the buyer will know it's going to need at least another £700m to modernize the facilities and invest in the squad.

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{Ed002's Note - Why net of debt? It is nothing to do with Chelsea..}


 

 

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17 Aug 2022 13:06:39
We are not skint, but we are in a far worse financial position than any of our major EPL rivals, none of whom are in need of the major surgery we apparently need. If we had the money why did we not buy Nunez and Antony immediately? Why are we not renovating the stadium and training facilities? The CEO admitted it. The money's not there. The club is no longer generating much free cash flow and it's in danger of it getting worse not better. Can you really see the Glazers underwriting £1bn in debt?

And while the club may be worth £3bn to a white knight if the Glazers keep control it's worth what it can generate internally. The debt is almost what it was when the Glazers bought us 17 years ago but now, rather than being one of the best teams in the world in an expanding market we're now a sad disorganized also ran with little prospect of returning to the top in the immediate future.

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16 Aug 2022 22:24:53
I hate what Glazers have done to our club, and believe highly leveraged buyouts should be banned in football, and in business generally. On the other hand some of the things listed are not at all unreasonable:

Director's Remuneration/ Dividends/ Management amount to less than £14m per year over 17 years. Some of the will have gone to non-family members like Woodward and other shareholders.

Sales of shares by the family does not affect United's cash flow. The issuance of new shares raises capital.

The LBO and the financing costs undoubtedly had ill effects on United's transfer policy in the first 7 or 8 years leaving a pretty clapped out squad when SAF retired, but United have coughed up in excess of £1bn in transfer fees since then. Had it been spent well and we were competing on equal footing with Europe's elite teams, we would not now be complaining as vociferously as we are. Ultimately the biggest sin the Glazers have committed is their incompetence and the incompetence of the people they have hired to run the club.

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16 Aug 2022 17:21:49
It comes to something when our own supporters are talking about how they would willingly be relegated if it meant getting rid of these owners. The same thoughts have crossed my mind. If that's what it takes to get our United back, so be it.

Of course the risk is, that unlike Tommy Doherty's team, we won't come back immediately. So maybe the best thing would be to narrowly escape relegation and with profits on the Roon-ey or gone completely, a white knight will step in.

Meanwhile one hopes the FA will ban leveraged buy-outs. It's a pity our governments didn't ban them way back when. Maybe the Western economies wouldn't be in such dire straits.

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16 Aug 2022 16:28:49
Either way rohan prawn sandwiches will be off the menu.

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