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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.


1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.

2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.

3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.




26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.


1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.

3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.

4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.

5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.

6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.

7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.

8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.

9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.



02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "

2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.



13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.




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11 Jul 2020 21:33:28
On paper we have the easiest run in. Third place is in our own hands. The players finally look like they are enjoying themselves and appreciating each other's efforts. Martial was indeed endowed with the muscles that facilitate smiling. Shaw looks like the player we thought we'd signed.

Is this the United that takes its chances or the one that bottles it? Third place would solidify Ole's credentials, the skeptics silenced for the time being. That and a Europa League title would turn this season that looked lost before the arrival of Bruno, into a highly satisfying experience and set the scene for a run at the title next year.


1.) 12 Jul 2020 02:22:07
I don't think this team will bottle it shaw. Confidence and momentum is everything. Chelsea and lampard look rattled. Although they should get a nice bounce back midweek against Norwich.
Leicester have steadied a little and also still have it in their own hands but are not playing like they were a few months back.
A win against southamton will not be easy they are also in decent form. But right now i think we are in such good form scoring and creating lots of chances. Ole clearly has his preferred 11 with no position up for reasonable debate.
Where it gets tricky is tweaking it to cover rests or injury ole is doing a really good job right now. Each and every player is bang at it. Yes there are poor mistakes by a few individuals but when your attacking and scoring goals they get over looked.
I would have had ole out at xmas. He has done great to turn it around i'm delighted door him, he needs to and i 100% believe he and they will finish the job. Top 4 and maybe even a cup win would be a fantastic season and would constitute massive improvement on last season and even from xmas.
I wouldn't have given him the chance but he got it and he turned it around to now have it in his own hands. i'd be gutted if ole and the players don't take the chance their hard work and great play has given them. I'm confident because we are not stumbling over the line we are accelerating coming around the final bend looking to steam roller over anybody in the way.
3 huge games in 6 days next week. 3 wins and we'll be sitting 3rd with 2 games to go and be in a cup final. I wouldn't have thought that possible in November.

2.) 12 Jul 2020 09:50:06
3 out of 4 of Leicester's final games look tough matches. Sheffield United, Spurs and ourselves are not games you want to play needing a result.

While Chelsea have both Liverpool and Wolves yet to play.

On paper our run in looks the easiest with games against Southampton, Palace, West Ham and Leicester. Yet I'm almost certain we will drop points somewhere before we play Leicester on the final day.

Southampton have a manager who can spring surprises.

Palace will dig deep and be dogged, while Zaha can always cause problems.

West Ham have beaten Chelsea and smashed Norwich. If Antonio is fit when they play us they have a chance to cause an upset.

So we could easily drop points in any one of those games. While the FA cup game against Chelsea had the ability to throw us off and break our momentum, do we go all out to win against Chelsea or do we rest players. Depending on the outcome against Chelsea how does that effect our mentality/ mood heading into the West Ham game?

I am confident, but I think there is still drama left in this season yet.

3.) 12 Jul 2020 08:36:10
Really don't see us slipping up with our current form. We now have 2 creative players in Pogba and Fernandes and their partnership seems to be blossoming - it can only get better, I hope. They certainly are capable of creating more chances for our forwards and with Greenwood, Fernandes and Martial scoring consistently and Rashford desperate to recollect his scoring form, things are looking up.

We now have 5 players who are capable of shooting and scoring from outside the box which we have lacked for a long time. This means teams can no longer sit back and let us have a go, they need to work extra hard to close us down and at the same time be wary of our creative players and forwards making the runs in behind. We also are dangerous on counter-attacks and sets us up nicely against most teams.

We win the next game and we apply more pressure on Chelsea and Leicester and have a great chance to finish 3rd.

4.) 12 Jul 2020 10:48:56
A fascinating few games ahead and there is an opportunity to get top four, possibly third. Tomorrow Southampton, who should be more of a challenge than the recent ones. We certainly can’t afford the slow sloppy start that we had at Villa until the drinks break. I sense they will press in certain areas, try to turn the ball over, likely Pogba will be targeted. Don’t know why but I get a feeling of a draw tomorrow, when we really must win our games now.

This can go in so many ways, it’s in our hands but now we have to go in for the kill, be bold. Tight games under pressure, draws are too risky and we have to get our set up right, make the right changes, it’s a challenge we will see if they rise to. As Ken says win the next three this coming week will put us in a good position.



18 Feb 2020 10:06:31
The big takeaway for me was the quality of the crosses that led to the goals. You can work at it in training, players can make all the right runs, but if the final ball isn't delivered nothing will come of it. WB finally got one right. Bruno's corner for Maguire's goal was precise and pacy, as was his free kick that hit the post. He looks like a great addition to the team.

Set pieces have been a problem for United for a long time. I think I read somewhere that there was a time in October last year when we were the worst in the EPL having not converting one into a goal in over 230 days.

Add our ineptitude at crossing and we're probably losing a goal every two games compared to other teams. You can talk about creativity and tactics all you want but, in large part, it comes down to fundamentals. If 30-40% of goals come from set pieces, rectifying the set piece and crossing deficiencies should add 15-20 goals a season.




09 Feb 2020 14:34:27
We're not going to finish in the top 4, so I'll take finishing in the bottom half of the league if it's offset by winning the Europa Cup. That would give us a platform to build on, a reason for a top manager to want to take over the club, and for top players to join us. Is this squad, with the addition of Bruno and the return of Rashford, Pogba and McTominay capable of winning the Europa? Why not?


1.) 09 Feb 2020 15:33:44
You are asking our genius coach to use a bit of common sense, given the precarious position of the squad because of the injuries he thought it was a great idea for us to go cup chasing playing full strength vs tranmere and city 2nd leg even after tie was decided in the 1st game.

2.) 09 Feb 2020 16:58:09
You keep saying this csm, but we were 1 goal away from going through against city. And the red card kind of killed the chance of us getting that goal.

The tranmeer game the. Club was on the ropes and needed the win. Not Ole. The club.

Injuries are part of the game and there are many contributing factors. With a winter break coming Ole and the team clearly thought rash could recover then. Who knows what is going on with PP.

3.) 09 Feb 2020 17:10:42
Dodgy but we did not win did we, before the game no one expected us to win. Ole is just too pig headed and selfish. Before tranmere there were the 2 wolves game, we don't have a squad to play on 3 fronts yet he keeps putting his best team every game.

The injuries have been as much ole's fault as they have been luck. Pogba got injured playing 90 mins vs rochdale when he wasn't fully fit, same with rashford. He risked matic and maguire in similar inconsequential games we just got a bit of injury luck going our way in those.

People can keep spouting conspiracy theories but fact remains he is injured because our manager is stupid.

4.) 09 Feb 2020 20:14:05
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one csm. You are saying Ole is too pig headed when we were just 2 goals down. Good job you weren't a motivational speaker in our dressing room through the 90's and 00's or we might have won nothing.

5.) 09 Feb 2020 21:29:39
Dodgy, oles the motivational speaker in the dressing room now though and that's not working out too well.

6.) 09 Feb 2020 21:30:24
dodgy we were not 1 goal from going through. we needed 2 or penalties.

7.) 10 Feb 2020 04:58:27
All of the sudden games are inconsequential because players got injured. If we lost those games, I can only imagine the chaos in here. I want a better manager to but the double standards in here is too much. It's like some people want us to lose just to continue the ole out campaign. Change will be made when the higher-ups deem it necessary. Just support the club no matter how inconsequential a game might seem to some.

8.) 10 Feb 2020 07:11:27
SLRD some games are inconsequential because we don't have a squad to compete in so many competitions, we had no business going full tilt in any of the cup competitions except europa. Many won't like it but if your team has 2 forwards and 1 creative midfielder as your attacking options for most of the season that is the sensible choice to writeoff the cup competitions, sadly the selfish manager incharge thinks winning a league cup or fa cup would be more important for the club than finishing in top 4 or winning europa league.

If your thinking is change will be made when the people incharge want to make changes and until then we should just act like everything is great, I would like to understand the logic of registering on a fansite?

Dodgy we needed to win by 3 goal margin, did you really believe we had an actual chance of winning by that margin at etihad especially given our injuries. There is a thing called picking your battles, sadly the manager was too far up his own a$$ dreaming about another fluke à la PSG to see sense, which cost us on the weekend as we had to then play periera in mf instead of matic, which hurt us in the top 4 race.

9.) 10 Feb 2020 08:36:50
Utd should be aiming to win every game. Picking and choosing matches is for teams fighting relegation. Dodgy's right. Ole would have been shot to pieces on here for throwing out a weakened side against City and giving it up before a ball was kicked. By the same people who are now saying he should have.

10.) 10 Feb 2020 09:06:11
CSM, So your saying that if Ole had sent out a team of kids against City and they got spanked 3 or 4 nil you'd have been fine with that?

You're saying that we don't have the squad to compete in every game, and your're probably right. But with all the injuries we have and the lack of depth if Ole didn't send out the team he did he would have had to send one out with the likes of Chong, Gomes, Garner, Levitt, Laird etc.

You're suggesting we should have sent a team out like that away to City while already 3-1 down.

Do you really think a thrashing of young players by our city rivals would have been more beneficial than winning the game?

11.) 10 Feb 2020 11:33:49
Nou the manager who won the CL last season and is 22 points clear at the top seems to not mind losing in cup competitions playing kids in that competition. Is he fighting relegation as well? I get understand defending the manager but seriously how many fans do you think expected the team we had fit to go to etihad and win by 3 goals that were required to win the tie, that should answer your question about criticism the successful interim manager would have received for fielding a weakened team.

12.) 10 Feb 2020 11:26:37
Shappy did winning 1-0 help? Matic might have made some difference in the wolves game. If he sends out the kiddies and we lose even by 4-5 would it really be a concern for most fans, anyone who isn't just using every chance to bash ole would see that there wasn't much of a choice there.

Us winning vs city was detrimental to our top 4 chances, no one likes to lose but the fact remains everyone unless they are lucky or unbelievably brilliant does. I would prefer us losing to city in a tie that is already lost than drop points vs wolves.

13.) 10 Feb 2020 12:28:55
CSM, I call horse s**t, you and every other poster who often find something to bash the manager for even when we win games would have been all over him had he sent out the kids and lost.

Calls of not trying to win games, of selling the kids down the river, how it might be detrimental to their development etc etc.

It's much easier for Klopp to prioritise certain competitions as his side are defending UCL champions, and have a chance for the first time in 30 years of winning the league.

We were in a semi final of a competition, we have no chance of the league, while both the FA cup and EL are long shots.

He'd have been silly to have thrown away a genuine chance of making to a final where we would be playing against a side we would be favourites to beat.

At this point I think Ole could save a little old lady and would still be slated by some on here. "should be more focused on the club" "why wasn't he working at the training ground" etc etc.

Matic picked up a suspension, it happens. We went to the Emptyhad and won 1-0 with 10 men. Had Matic not been sent off then maybe we would have got the second goal to take it to penalties. Maybe if we were 2-0 up then Pep might have got his players to push higher up the pitch and maybe we would have grabbed a third on the counter, or maybe we'd have won the shoot out.

Fact is the team put in a good performance and won a tough game. That will have boosted the players confidence.

The fact that we drew against a very good Wolves side a few days later is unfortunate. But its pure speculation as to whether Matic would have made the difference. And to be honest the fact that you think Matic might have been a difference maker highlights the real problem at our club.

14.) 10 Feb 2020 12:46:52
Shappy you call my argument horse rubbish and then proceed to tell me that matic starting in mf 2 instead of periera would not have made a difference, Irony might just have jumped off the biggest cliff it could find and then shot itself in the head mid air just to be sure.

15.) 10 Feb 2020 12:59:35
CSM, this is the same Matic that most people feel is past his best, not good enough for the starting 11 when everyone is fit and has been looking to move to Inter Milan for most of the season? That Matic?

The one who does okay when given time on the ball, but lacks mobility to deal with high pressing teams and teams that have mobile midfield runners. Just like let's say Wolves.

Wolves are exactly the kind of team that Matic has struggled against and why most people feel he is finished at the top end of the EPL.

Yes, he might have made a difference, but considering him as a player there is no certainty that he would have done.

Of course this all totally misses the point. Matic didn't play against Wolves not because he picked up an injury against City in the cup. But because he got sent off for two bookable offences, and to be honest he committed 5 fouls in the game. He didn't play against Wolves not because of the incompetence of his manager but because Matic himself made poor decisions in the game which lead to him being sent off.

At some point the players have to be accountable for their performances. Tactical set up, poor motivation, or unfocused training will play a part. But hauling down players because either you don't have the legs anymore or because you found yourself in the wrong position IS the players fault.

So if you want to blame someone for Matic not playing against Wolves then you need to look at the player himself.

16.) 10 Feb 2020 14:25:07
Shappy at what point will you hold the imbecile accountable?

17.) 10 Feb 2020 14:48:38
Shappy matic isn't a world class player I agree but you are now trying to argue that he isn't better than periera, this ole worship is getting into deification territory.

18.) 10 Feb 2020 16:42:06
Shan I do hold Matic accountable. He was on a yellow, had made two more fouls since that yellow and was told he was on his last warning. He then continued to foul another player. You're right that is very imbecilic, and Matic should be held accountable for his own actions.

CSM, I'm not arguing that Matic isn't a better player than Andreas Pereira. That would be insane.

I'm challenging your ABSOLUTE belief that had Matic played against Wolves we would have won the game. Which is a little far fetched.

We drew 0-0 with Wolves, Matic is a defensive midfielder who mainly breaks up play. We didn't draw with Wolves because we couldn't defend well enough. We got a clean sheet after all.

We drew with Wolves because we couldn't score goals or create enough good goal scoring chances.

Are you suggesting Matic would have be a more likely player to play a clever defence splitting pass? or score the game winning goal.

In 72 games for us he has 2 goals and 3 assists. Why do you believe that he would have made a difference in us scoring against Wolves?

19.) 10 Feb 2020 17:52:19
Interesting that Matic was the player who scored at City in the game before Wolves, no other scorers. The manager sold the goal scoring centre forward, decided not to replace him, put his trust in two players who couldn’t do it. That ultimately has been a major issue, amateur. Matic may not have scored two games in a row we will never know but the managers team selections and tactics have been poor all season. If the Matic situation was obvious to you Shappy, why did our managerial genius not see it and take him off before he was sent off? We drew with Wolves and it was more a surprise Wolves didn’t win, they were the team more likely to when you watched the game. That isn’t a surprise now we have the nodding donkey management team.

20.) 11 Feb 2020 03:20:41
Hahaha don't know if you are being funny or stupid Shappy. Ole is the imbecile that i am referring to and not Matic. For you everything can be wrong but not Ole.

21.) 11 Feb 2020 04:55:28
Shappy, some have decided to bash Ole regardless of what he does.

22.) 11 Feb 2020 19:01:51
Shan I was being funny, attempting to at least.

I have criticised Ole and there are things I feel he has done wrong. Tactically naive, poor team selection at times, failure to get the most out of our squad, too few players have actually progressed and improved, and those that have tend to be young players who have improved mostly by playing games rather than working on the training ground.

There is plenty Ole has done wrong and he can be lambasted for. But some people take it too far and blame him for things outside of his control. Which is just plain silly and ignorant.



02 Feb 2020 12:55:23
I remain of the opinion that OGS was given the managers job because, after using his interim spell to look around and make enquiries, the club discovered there was no other suitable candidate available and wanting the role. But. but. we're Manchester United! How can this be? Well, there's only conclusion a half way intelligent executive can come to, isn't there? We've mismanaged the post SAF period appallingly. We have been making the same mistakes again and again, looking for a magic potion that will bring immediate success.

How do you get out of such a vicious circle?

1. Stop repeating the same mistakes. Buying big names who don't really want to play for your club is not the answer.

2. Clear the house of malign and ineffectual influences wherever they may be. Examine what's worth keeping, and what's not. For contractual, financial and practical reasons - whatever else is going on there's still 50-60 games to be played - it takes time.

3. Reset the table, establishing a base from which a top manager and top players, looking in, can conclude that this club is once again a desirable proposition with potential to bring success to all involved. Winners want to be involved with winners. Who wants a job at a troubled high street retailer when there's a fast paced higher paying one with a future at a tech start-up?

There are not many of us who are of the belief that OGS and Carrick are the ones to take us back to the top. I don't believe Woodward thinks they are either. But perhaps they can at least take us through steps 2 and part way through 3. If they succeed only in setting the table, they will have been a success.

There is no point then in judging Ole relative to a Klopp or a Guardiola, neither of whom were the first step in the renaissance of their clubs anyway. Ole isn't a tactical genius and he doesn't have the tools at his disposal anyway. Give him a break. He was hired because, unlike most of the mercenaries out there, he can be trusted to try and do what's best for the club.

We are going to have to wait a few more years before United are back at the top. It won't do any of us any good to throw a wobbler, calling for his immediate firing, every time there's a poor performance. Relax.


1.) 02 Feb 2020 13:08:05
The question is, do the club have a credible plan?

If so, can they actually implement it.

2.) 02 Feb 2020 15:14:21
Completely agree with that Shaw. Just one more addition.

While resetting the club, the coaching team are learning all the time. As the first team, set up and culture improve, so does the skillset, tactical nouns etc of the coaching set up.

Against better teams we have a very good record. If we can get the set up to crack dominate and beat the so called lesser teams in the league, we could look a very different club in this league.

It is also impossible to ignore the injuries this year. We have had an incredible record of injuries to all of our key players through the season. Squad depth has been tested in a year when we were re-setting and bringing through youth. To put it simply, we rolled the dice and lost.

3.) 02 Feb 2020 16:23:51
Dodgy beating the so called lesser teams requires a tactic bit more refined than defend for your lives as gk makes incredible saves and hopefully get it right in attack on counter.

Also everyone keeps harping on about the injuries but seems to ignore that ole has been his own enemy there. We lost pogba for months to a game vs rochdale, rashford to a stupid fa cup rematch. Ole talks about fatigue given the number of games we played in last month while ignoring that he played full strength teams vs likes of tranmere, even the city away game, that was already lost given the score line and injuries we suffered but for some stupid reason this guy keeps thinking that just because he fluked it vs psg it will keep happening again.

4.) 02 Feb 2020 17:21:46
If you look at how we've done against the better teams the results flattered us let's be honest about that. Those results just paper over the cracks for me. Did we outplay city the other day? Did we hell we scored a half chance and they should have scored 4 or 5 it was a lucky win.

5.) 03 Feb 2020 01:43:39
We were 1 goal away from going through. Man utd never die, never lose just run out of time.

You wanted us to throw the matchbecaise the players were a bit tired? If he'd of done that you'd have been the first on here to say he's small minded. Maybe in your eyes he just can't win 🤷‍♂️.



27 Dec 2019 17:24:51
Given how woeful we have been in defense and how difficult we have found it to score against the lower teams I was surprised to note that we have the best equal goal difference of the teams chasing 4th place.

I like to live in hope.


1.) 27 Dec 2019 18:50:25
Defence isn't the issue, scoring goals is. Everyone says our defence is the issue but it's the other end where we lag behind the top teams.

2.) 27 Dec 2019 19:22:22
Really its the midfield. Not enough creativity.

3.) 27 Dec 2019 21:57:24
The midfield is clearly the biggest issue going forward and defending too.

4.) 27 Dec 2019 22:14:52
Agree mort midfield looks very weak, better with pogba in but if he duznt want to be here, address it.

5.) 28 Dec 2019 01:15:30
But the defence us as much to blame as the midfield and attack.

We get bullied far to much by attackers and constantly find the defenders out of position and out of shape.

We concede far to many soft unavoidable goals.

6.) 28 Dec 2019 04:46:20
Midfield has been the biggest problem this season.

We don't have a solid defensive midfielder who can protect the defence and break down attacks, nor do we have a creative midfielder who can make defence splitting pass or inch perfect through balls.

Our front 3 can worry any defense, therefore it is vital to supply the ball to them often and quickly.
One or 2 extra touches from midfielders will slow down the play and will help the opposition's defense to organize.

7.) 28 Dec 2019 05:25:27
Dm is a big issue and lingard n mata can’t do no.10 role effectively for different reasons! Plus we haven’t replaced Herrera.

8.) 28 Dec 2019 10:44:42
Midfield unit, unit is a word we don’t associate with our team. We talk on here about DM and AM yet it is the unit, the coordination of the unit that matters, how the midfield players make up all aspects of a unit.

We have a mixed bunch in varying formations that are not always set up correctly to beat the opposition. The quality isn’t there yet set midfield up to be a unit and our solidity as a team would be better. The unit has to defend and attack but formation and how they work as a unit should be sorted on the training pitch.

Our full backs, neither side, attack particularly well, don’t put great crosses in, so it comes to midfield to provide width.

James is ok but doesn’t take players on very often unless he is already on the run and Rashford cuts inside. The combination is not a good screen for defence, not enough controlled possession and creation becomes difficult when teams are narrow against us.

Buying players is only part of the issue, creating cohesive units and a methodology of play is another particularly in the midfield engine room.

9.) 28 Dec 2019 10:46:35
Whether it’s midfield, DM, or forwards, the end result is we don’t score, enough to finish teams off. There are games where we have created loads of chances but not taken them. Whatever the root cause, lack of goals is killing us.




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05 Mar 2020 00:32:20
Maybe the talk about trophies is just a polite way of saying earning a lot more money than is available at Spurs.




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19 Feb 2020 21:43:53
I appreciate that Ed but let's face it we are a very small band of supporters on this page. Anything you say is unlikely to migrate too far.




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19 Feb 2020 14:27:11
Ed, would you be prepared to explain in brief how the structure needs to be changed? Many of us are not familiar with the United specifics compared to other clubs. Perhaps also it would help to reduce the volume of questions and speculation in the future. Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - No, the supporters will simply carry on their hate campaign with other members of club staff.}



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31 Jan 2020 18:50:03
I'm going with Salford 7 out of nostalgia, having been born there many many years ago!




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29 Jan 2020 15:21:17
Fortunately, for me at least, there is lots to smile about whether or not the transfer goes ahead.





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28 Aug 2020 21:15:55
I don't believe either SAF or Charlton are on the Board.




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13 Jul 2020 23:56:50
I agree, and despite the creditable way Southampton played, their first goal was as a direct result of a dreadful mistake and the second was at the buzzer when we down to 10 men. Meanwhile their goalkeeper made two excellent saves.

The players did look tired but despite that on a better day we win that one 3-1 despite Southampton's brave performance. Sadly, our luck ran out.




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18 Mar 2020 19:36:13
Okay, so we have moved on from talking about soccer to the NFL, which has just a little bit more action in a game (11 minutes) than a weekend of postponed matches in the EPL.

Brady is a legend but my guess is he will not fair well in Tampa. I'll give it one season.




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16 Mar 2020 19:34:48
My Mrs. always hated Ronaldo, seeing him as incredibly narcissistic, but this has actually caused her to reevaluate!




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11 Mar 2020 17:17:40
"There is a tide in the affairs of men, which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures. "

Unfortunately for Jose his tide went out and I really don't think it's coming back in again.