11 Aug 2015 17:58:48
Why do fans mention net spend? Do fans own the club/business? No.
The way I look at it and many should is Liverpool have spent 300 during Rodgers tenure and a lot of that money was pissed up the wall and brought no success.
As for united van gal has spent huge amounts and if there is no success this season questions will be asked.
Liverpool received 50-60 million pound from the sale of suarez and spent that poorly last season. It does not matter if it's a net spend of five million it's still 60 million spent on poor transfers and money thrown down the drain
11 Aug 2015 18:14:19
I take the point Al but net spend is relevant in terms of balancing the books; you cannot spend money you don't have.
11 Aug 2015 18:14:37
Exactly right. We should be using the di Maria money aswell as all the money we was going to spend this summer. We needed positions sorting out before he left so we should be replacing him aswell as the others.
11 Aug 2015 18:15:28
As a supporter of Utd and football in general, bet spend is irrelevant as it's not our money being spent, don't know why fans from different clubs go on about it.
11 Aug 2015 18:30:33
Net spend is very important for lots of reasons. As fans it tells us what quality we have lost and what quality we have gained. It also tells us how competent the club is at doing business, how much money we should have to invest in players.
Separately:
The sad thing is that had Chelsea carried out the same buying and selling of players as us over the past 2 years I have no doubt their net spend would be 30% lower than ours. We overpay in transfers and wages, then sell for less than the player would be worth typically due to that mistake.
11 Aug 2015 18:39:14
Ajh
As I say again. Balancing books? Are you balancing them.?you sound more interested in accounts than the football.
Liverpool according to Edd002 have spent future iincome and we are still paying off a large loan. So yes clubs have spent money they haven't had in the pot. Owners should worry about net spend. All Fans should worry about has 30 million been spent on the right player? Did he warrant that, could it have been spent on a better player?
Net spent does not buy the right players and it is an excuse for fans when the players have been piss poor buys
11 Aug 2015 18:45:05
Beast are you serious?
Chelsea have bought the right players to bring success. They add few players now a window because they buy correctly. Fabregas, Costa, matic.?
In contrast liverpool have bought more similar players in the same positions having yet to buy the correct players.
Beast you've completely missed the point. Maybe if united win nothing this season but we're to have gained in net spend you would see the point. I.e united made 10 million after buys and sales but win nothing would you bring up netspend?
11 Aug 2015 19:00:58
Beast , the reason we have over spent on transfers and paid big wages is because the fans , of which you serve as the perfect example , demand instant success. Therefore we find ourselves trying to satisfy those demands and expectations by paying through the nose for players like DiMaria.
In the long term , the club and the fans would be better off , in my opinion , accepting a few years of proper transition and building for the future in a more structures way. Unfortunately , in order to try and deliver that instant success , we have to attract the players who can (or we hope can) deliver that by offering huge wages and paying more than other, how can I put it , less desperate clubs.
I am genuinely sad to see our beloved club having to resort to this spending. We have sold our soul to the devil in order to play catch up. We are no different now than City were 4 or 5 years ago , the only difference being where the money comes from.
You can blame the Glazers , SAF or whoever , but if we had not become so complacent and arrogant as a club we would never be in this position. We dominated for 20 odd years , and then for some reason decided that we were so good that we no longer needed to improve. If we had invested in one or two new players each year , improving on what we had and investing in young players we would still be at the top. Instead we resorted to short term fixes like RvP to ensure that SAF could retire a winner , and the rest is history.
It's not like me to rant about the negatives. But complacency has put us in this position. We should never have needed this complete rebuild , and the need to spend hundreds if million just to compete. And that is the reason why I don't like the constant bitching about this , or the last manager. LvG and Moyes were teamed with the impossible job. Rebuilding the complete mess that was left behind.
11 Aug 2015 19:13:19
Ask Leeds fans if fans should worry about net spend or just want the clubs to spend spend spend
11 Aug 2015 19:20:36
Al, they get a lot of the money generated from the fans so if the net spend is say over £100million each season, that money is clawed back through season ticket prices, shirt prices etc going up so I feel we have a right to consider how the club run their business.
11 Aug 2015 19:27:27
betty
to be honest we under invested in the team while the glazers payed the debt off.
fergy continued to win so many fans though everything was ok .
often imo overrating the players and team.
but god forbid you said that on this site.
moyes took over a team that imo was finished yet fans wanted moyes out after a month.
we have bought 12 players since fergy left spent over 300 mill and people still think we don't have a good squad .
11 Aug 2015 19:48:10
net spend became relevant when Chelsea said they're allowed to spend whatever they like and started shouting at clubs like us and city because of their net spend was superior.
11 Aug 2015 19:58:48
Betty, I love it when you get all butch and masterful. Agree entirely.
11 Aug 2015 20:18:13
Noucamp , behave. I'm actually blushing xx
11 Aug 2015 20:22:50
Betty
Brilliant mate.
11 Aug 2015 20:30:36
Jred , you are right mate we did under invest. But there was money to spend , and SAF spent it very badly in his later years. Wasting money on completely unnecessary gambles and his obsession with wide players , Bebe , Toxic , Obertan etc etc. And all that time we were crying out for midfielder. Can't remember exact time scales off topmof my head , but I think we went something like 5 or 6 years without buying a midfielder after Hargreaves. And all that time we were terribly weak in that position.
It's almost criminal!when you look back in it. And now some other poor sod has got to try to put it right , and all the whole trying to live up to SAF. I honestly think it's a job that no-one will live up to until we have had a few baron years , and expectations are lowered.
11 Aug 2015 20:52:58
Mmm, butch and masterful, exactly how I picture myself with Kylie, I think we have a great squad now; youth mixed with experience. I just hope the current management can get the best out of them.
11 Aug 2015 22:19:24
Jamie, the difference being, Leeds are a provincial club with no worldwide appeal to back up their spending.
11 Aug 2015 23:25:03
Interesting how loads of Liverpool fans told me last year how we had spent so much on net spend over the last 3 years and only finished 4th, but now our net spend is a lot lower it means nothing.
12 Aug 2015 00:40:33
I think the point Al is trying to make is that of don't shout about net expenditure to justify spunking X amount on certain players.
I agree with Betty that we have completely sold our soul to the bank of satan over the past two years but I think its worth comparing who or what type of players we have signed as opposed to City for example.
When City started snapping up players they got thier hands on WC winners to compete like Tevez, Kompany, Nasri, Silva, Aguero etc some of who are still at the forefront of their team at the moment. Yes they made some blunders but when they have spent £30m plus it has been on the right player (Aguero, Silva etc) whereas we have resorted to the panic button and snapping up what was available to us at astronomical prices (Di Maria, Mata, Falcao's £20m loan).
Net spend is important but it's how and what assets you aquire that is the most relevant to us as fans.