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14 Jul 2024 10:13:55
Rumours that Notts forest are close to signing nikola milinkovic for about 15 million.
I remember we were looking at him at one point. Has that interest completely gone, as 15 million for him is a bargain.
1.) 14 Jul 2024 11:14:59
Maybe there is a reason why he is no longer being linked with top clubs for 30-50m and is instead heading to Forest for 15m.
2.) 14 Jul 2024 11:29:11
Because the world has woken up to transfer fees? Everyone apart from Everton anyway!
{Ed025's Note - but if you have the Kohinoor Diamond Spenno you dont want sell him to someone offering Cash Converters prices mate.. :)
3.) 14 Jul 2024 11:36:41
lol Ed. Maybe Utd got stuck in the queue for him.
{Ed025's Note - its like when you are haggling for prozzie spenno, we know the deed is going to happen its just agreeing a price mate.. :)
4.) 14 Jul 2024 12:18:03
Branthwaite will come down to a simple decision.
Is it better to overpay for what you really want, or compromise and spend good money on something else instead.
The reality is that the CB market for a club with ambitions to be amoungst the best is limited.
Players like Max Kilman who is a decent, solid EPL CB is 40m when moving to West Ham. If he was joining a club like United, Arsenal or Chelsea you could add 5-10m to that price.
That is just the way the market is right now. If you are signing a younger player with potential or a top class proven player then you'll likely have to pay upwards of 55-60m.
There might be the odd exception, but you'll struggle to find more than one of those a year.
If we do the maths, there are probably around 25 or so CB's who are good enough for where we want to be. Half of those at least are already playing for a top side and we probably won't be able to get a player from them.
Which leaves maybe 12 viable options. Yet not all of those will be willing to or want to join us. While some of them might have recently moved or signed a new deal meaning they will cost a premium to get them out of there club.
Which all means there are probably about 4 or 5 viable options for us to sign who are all at the level we want/ need or have the potential to get to that level.
If we are looking to sign at least 2 maybe 3 CB's then that really doesn't give us much wiggle room.
Todibo has been ruled out.
MdL seems oddly available, and might be the exception player.
Yoro really wants Real Madrid.
Branthwaite will cost a premium.
But let's say Yoro chooses to turn us down as he wants Madrid (which is rumoured to be the most likely outcome), and we sign MdL.
We still need at least one more CB maybe two.
If we don't agree to pay a little more for Branthwaite then where to we turn?
Marc Guehi is probably one of the few who looks both good enough and potentially available. Will he cost less than 55m? Almost certainly not.
Inacio and Diomande from Sporting both look like potentially good enough prospects, both will also cost 50-60m each. While neither are proven in the EPL like Branthwaite and Guehi. Also both have exceled in a back three system, would they look as good in a back four?
Which other options are there who are both good enough and available?
Calafiori will be joining a UCL club and probably wouldn't consider joining us. Same for Bastoni if he is available.
All other options are a step down in quality and potential.
Which for me seems to bring the question round to whether its better to over pay for Branthwaite and pay 60-65m for him.
Or sign Guehi for 55-60m, Inacio or Diomande for 50-55m, or Antonio Silva who will cost 60-70m, or to sign someone that next level down like Hancko for 35-40m?
Where is the value in that market?
Surely it makes more sense to pay 5-10m more for the younger and potentially better option in Branthwaite than Guehi?
Or 10-15m more to sign Branthwaite than either Inacio or Diomande who have not proven themselves in a back four or in the EPL.
While I don't think dropping down a level to sign the likes of Hancko is really a sensible idea, we need to make sure we are signing players who can become key players in our next title winning side, not place holders until a better player becomes available.
I understand that people have mixed views on Branthwaite, and no one wants the club to over spend on players.
But if not Branthwaite then who do we sign instead?
5.) 14 Jul 2024 11:45:21
Maybe Ed, maybe. if he's the one they want it would be silly to lose out over a £10-15m gap in valuation. Maybe there's some middle ground.
{Ed025's Note - he wants to go to United spenno so i think there is a deal to be done mate..
6.) 14 Jul 2024 14:14:59
In the whole of world football there surely are really really good defenders. Why can other clubs find them, sign them and a year or so later sell them on at huge profit yet Utd can't find them?
7.) 14 Jul 2024 18:02:49
Salford, we have signed players like that, they were Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Bebe, Tosic, Prunier, Tiabi, Manucho, Bellion, Forlan, Vidic, Solskjaer, and Johnsen.
Sometimes they work out, but more often than not they aren't able to make the massive jump up.
Football like education has levels, and for the most part you need to build your way through the levels to get to the top. GCSEs, A-levels, Undergrad, Masters, and PhD.
There are the few special talents who could jump from GCSE or A-level right up to PhD. But they are few and far between.
Football is very much the same, players need to build themselves up in terms of technical ability, mentality, and experience before they are ready to take that next step to a massive club like Manchester United. Where the expectations are insane in terms of the level you need to play at and the consistency. While mistakes are amplified and made out to be huge errors.
Most players need a stepping stone club between their first professional club and a global giant club like United.
The biggest issue is the reason these players are cheaper is due to them being more raw, less refined and needing more coaching and development to see if they can step up to that next level. However, to do that they need game time. Which is something that is hard to come by at a top club unless you are performing most weeks.
Other top clubs have taken gambles on players like this, more often than not they end up like Victor Roque at Barcelona rather than Vinicius Junior at Real Madrid.
Even our most recent signings is an example of how it's very difficult for highly talented young players to get the minutes they need to develop at a top club. Zirkzee signed for Bayern, but never really got the game time he needed. A couple of loans and a permanent move later and he finds himself at a "stepping stone club" (absolutely no disrespect meant to Bologna) and with less pressure and more game time he has been able to flourish and show the talent he has.
We had a similar situation with Diego Forlan, highly talented player, but couldn't get the game time or had the freedom to make mistakes at United and he struggled. Then he moves to a club a step down from United and he flourishes and wins the European golden boot.
So sure, there probably are dozens of defenders who aren't quite ready for a step up to the level we will demand that we could sign. But most of them would flop if we did sign them.
I think if you have a thin squad you can afford to maybe sign one player like this a summer to have a gamble on. Knowing that they probably won't work out but you could sell them in a couple of seasons time for a similar amount as long as you don't give them silly wages.
The problem is can we afford to gamble on a player like that in such a key position when we've had the issues we had last season.
8.) 14 Jul 2024 18:42:22
Maybe our new coaching set-up can pluck out a blinder from thin air. I bet even Shappy hadn't heard of a certain Vemanja Vidic in 2005.
9.) 14 Jul 2024 19:15:40
As a Serbian I can tell u I wouldn't pay more than 30m for him. He's definitely not a top level and plays better in a formation with 3 CBs anyway.
10.) 15 Jul 2024 15:16:45
Spenno, to be honest I haven't heard of "Vemanja Vidic" until you mentioned him.
Is he any relation to former Manchester United CB Nemanja Vidic? ???
Jokes aside I mentioned that Vidic was one such success. Unfortunately for every Vidic there are half a dozen Prunier's.
I think it's much harder to pluck an unheard of player out of obscurity now. Far too many scouts scouring the world. Can still happen from time to time, but it's not a common occurrence.
I certainly hope none of the new coaching staff are suggesting transfers. Coaches should coach, leave transfer targets to the scouts and recruitment experts.
11.) 15 Jul 2024 17:07:09
Spellling, scouting, coaching, you can do it all Shappy. I'm amazed you're wasted sat at a keyboard all day!
12.) 16 Jul 2024 05:19:01
Spenno, I know you're being sarcastic, but you have just described the job of a teacher, which I happen to be ?.
08 Jan 2024 22:38:31
Eds I've heard some murmurings about us getting benzema on loan, is there anything in it? I think he'd be a good signing on a loan but surely toon would have 1st refusal given the ownership.
{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it.}
1.) 09 Jan 2024 22:05:41
Thanks anyway Ed.
09 Jun 2023 20:02:09
Hearing that sheik jassim has had a bid accepted. I hope its true, after what the glazers have served up we deserve this. Proper owner, willing to put money into facilities, into Manchester and the team.
1.) 09 Jun 2023 21:22:23
Not mentioned anywhere that I can see.
2.) 09 Jun 2023 21:22:48
Not mentioned anywhere that I can see. Where is this information?
3.) 09 Jun 2023 21:25:12
Perhaps someone dreamt of it.
4.) 09 Jun 2023 21:35:00
It would be nice to take away some of the news stories and spotlight from the CL final tomorrow :-), but it won’t happen unfortunately.
5.) 09 Jun 2023 23:21:39
Think these rumours are coming from fake Romano twitter accounts.
6.) 10 Jun 2023 05:37:19
Don't be believing anything on that blue bird site.
07 Jan 2023 18:41:02
Hearing we've sign weghorst on loan. Disappointing if true.
1.) 07 Jan 2023 18:50:05
Was poor at Burnley, but off the top of my head I think his goals record isn’t too bad? Especially in Germany, I remember hearing about him.
2.) 07 Jan 2023 19:17:56
His goalscoring record is really good and he’s the profile of player we just don’t have. In Erik we trust.
He was crap at Burnley though.
3.) 07 Jan 2023 19:22:29
I know it was only 1 game but I remember him being a real handful against us last season, maybe with better players around him he can be effective for 6 months then in the summer we can hopefully sign one of our top targets.
4.) 07 Jan 2023 20:05:47
Changed the game for Holland against Argentina in the wc. That’s bout all I remember. If eth wants him then that’s fine by me. It’s only a loan after all.
5.) 07 Jan 2023 20:12:05
Certainly a different kind of player to those we have, and he's actually a number 9 rather than a winger or 10 who plays there sometimes.
I trust Ten Hag, so I'm fine with it as it's clearly not the long-term solution and he will add some much needed physicality. Another bonus is that we now look a threat at set pieces and Weghorst is about 11ft tall.
6.) 07 Jan 2023 20:22:23
Aboubakar makes me think of United signing Ighalo.
Weghorst makes me think about Ajax signing Haller.
Dont mind it along as the Glazers are gone before the plans for the summer are made.
The greater good.
7.) 07 Jan 2023 20:31:23
Changed the game against Argentina in the world cup if I remember correctly. If Netherlands had of continued with the same plan of pumping it up to him then maybe a different outcome.
Mirror the message above. In Erik we trust!
8.) 07 Jan 2023 22:11:59
We have all praised the EtH signings in the summer and want to get away from the Ed Woodward big splash signings. This has all the feel of an EtH player that fits a position of need without hindering the future plans.
If it is who he wants I am happy. makes more sense than Felix.
9.) 08 Jan 2023 10:41:34
I think the impression that he was poor at Burnley is a little unfair.
He joined them in the January of 2022 when they were in a mess fighting relegation.
He was feeding off of absolute scraps for 6 months. This point is proven by the statistic that no side in EPL history created less goal scoring chances than Burnley last season. Messi himself would have struggled to score more than 5 goals in that side in half a season.
At every other club his goal scoring record is roughly one goal every two games. Which is solid, especially as he has never played in a side that was dominating the league and creating loads of chances.
He's obviously not the perfect player for us, and there will be doubts over whether ultimately he is good enough for where we want to be. But on a 6 month loan deal where the other options are either definitely not good enough, not the right profile of player, or hugely expensive then he might be a good solution.
10.) 08 Jan 2023 11:06:33
He’s basically the plan B. Last 10 minutes go long ball if they need a goal.
11.) 08 Jan 2023 15:59:37
He’s a cart horse. End of conversation.
05 Aug 2022 20:31:25
I've heard a rumour of garner to palace on loan, have any of the eds heard anything?
1.) 05 Aug 2022 21:01:13
Would make sense, they will be looking for a Gallagher replacement.
2.) 06 Aug 2022 15:12:00
Personally would like him to stay and see what part he can play in the midfield rotation. The high energy press from EtH will need more than just the first 11 to be successful. That being said if he does go out I have no problem with his next stage of development under Viera at Palace.
3.) 06 Aug 2022 23:36:17
Brad, I really like the look of Garner. That said he should only stay of he's going to play.
At this point in his career he cannot afford to be 4th or 5th choice playing 800 minutes a season.
To continue his development and have a chance of reaching his potential he needs to be playing 2000-3000 minutes of football.
If EtH wants to play him and thinks he can play at the club to the standard needed then great.
However, if Fred, McTominay, Eriksen, Donny and a potential new signing will all feature ahead of him then send the lad out on loan.
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09 Jun 2024 18:52:04
What's everyone view on luke shaws statement about being basically made to play when he wasn't 100%? I have looked at it both sides and thought the medical team said he was fit to play and he agreed at the time, you can't force someone to do something.
Other view is what jose said all along and he's not mentally strong enough to play for the club, we were going through a tough spell at the time.
Either way he must not like ten hag because he's throwing shade on the management team when they are under pressure and feels like he's throwing his support behind getting another manager the sack.
He is one we need to get rid of ASAP whether the manager Stays or goes.
1.) 09 Jun 2024 19:14:00
He said the medical team said there was no issue, and he trained, so was then selected. I think half of Shaw's problem is what's in his head (or lack thereof) .
2.) 09 Jun 2024 21:13:26
Stuff like this happens all the time. Our medical team isn’t the greatest but it’s very difficult to predict these. General tip to the player and staff. Wouldn’t read too much into it.
3.) 09 Jun 2024 22:15:35
He shouldn't have come out and said what he said. He does lack a certain level of professionalism. I understand that he was trying to speak truthfully about his issues this season.
I think it's a big gamble on Shaw being fit for the Euros and perhaps too much of a risk. I can see him being injured again and missing the start of the season.
4.) 09 Jun 2024 23:38:13
He is always a few minutes away from another injury. Doesn't matter how hood you are when you can't stay fit. If varane had to go due to fitness, then luke shaw should follow him.
5.) 10 Jun 2024 02:24:14
I don't know. He and ETH looked pretty close after the cup final. I doubt he was having a go at the manager.
6.) 10 Jun 2024 10:06:06
Think it’s just pretty obvious he’s as frustrated as the rest of us about his injuries, I didn’t notice any digs at the manager at all, people are desperate to find an issue.
7.) 10 Jun 2024 13:49:03
No digs at all. I mean, he's correct, it's a mix of all 3. But Shaw and EtH can only rely on the medical assessment. They're only as good as their doctors.
8.) 10 Jun 2024 18:24:54
Luke Shaw always has an excuse and it’s always someone else's’ fault. He’s soft in the head and probably been spoilt playing for Utd for so long as he’s never fit and 7 out of 10 on a very good day.
And don’t come back saying Shaw is better than 7 out of 10, he wouldn’t lace Evras flip flops and he was a 8.5/ 9.
9.) 10 Jun 2024 23:58:57
He’s a very good left full back but the horrendous injury he got earlier in his career has been one he’s never really fully recovered from, who knows how good a player he would have been had that not happened.
{Ed001's Note - he has never been 'very good' and would never have reached very good because he is a moron. His complete lack of professionalism on top of that is why he keeps getting injured. He was never going to be anything other than injury prone.}
10.) 11 Jun 2024 12:40:13
A lot of his injuries have followed on from the leg break. But often players who have suffered a major injury can become prone to other injuries down the line. It’s not about being soft mentally, anyone who’s overcome long term injury and rehabilitation knows how dark it can get in your head about not being able to do it and watching teammates.
I’m no pro athlete but having done my knee, I then suffered lots of niggles to the ankle, quad and hamstring on the same leg. Then another surgery with a hamstring graft, left me unable to sprint properly without pulling up and straining. Compensation then led to injuries on the other ankle.
It can happen, I did everything I was meant to in my rehab, I worked in the gym and training doing fitness and injury prevention 4-5 times a week when I recovered. It didn’t help and I gave up playing rugby at 22. I got a partial tear in my acl when jogging last summer ?
I don’t know about shaw’s professionalism, but from my own personal experience I suffered consistently and it wasn’t through a lack of trying to be fit and injury free.
11.) 11 Jun 2024 15:24:00
Ed001,
Yes that is true, heard a lot about his unprofessionalism at a young age but nobody could foresee him getting his leg broken in the way that he did, that was unlucky not because he’s unprofessional. Everything after that may have come from being unprofessional but it does seem like players with bad injuries become injury prone after, though maybe he’s not done enough to negate the issue.
In my opinion he has had runs of games in his career where he has been very good, it’s just not been sustained and I wouldn’t mind if we sold him at this stage.
{Ed001's Note - the leg break is just one of those things, I agree, but his performances were not outstanding before that. He just doesn't have the mentality to be a professional athlete or to understand the game. He looked better at centre-back simply because it involved less running and so exposed his lack of reading of the game less. Pochettino could have sorted his attitude out when he was a kid but he allowed him to get away with it all instead. He had the wrong coach at the wrong time sadly.}
12.) 11 Jun 2024 15:35:44
Caolan you don’t need to see he has had injuries to know he’s soft, watch him speak it’s basics the lights are on but nobodies home. ?♂️.
13.) 11 Jun 2024 17:43:56
On another not how was that not a penalty for that leg breaking tackle on Shaw? We got knocked out 2-1 I think? So pre-occupied with Shaw's injury that no one even questioned it.
14.) 11 Jun 2024 17:45:52
Also was it Luke Shaw who needed someone from the club to come and help him turn the washing machine on not long after he arrived? Hardly the sharpest tool in the box.
06 Dec 2023 22:41:11
Good performance tonight. That will shut the press up for a day or 2 . Funny how were sitting 3 points behind city and we've had a bad season and nobody mentions them.
Mctominay was brilliant getting forward tonight, both winger were decent especially garnacho he was the stand out player for me, just kept driving at them. And maguire apart from his one mistake on the ball was dominant. I'll go to bed happy tonight.
1.) 06 Dec 2023 23:25:24
If he’s lost 50% of them it must be the other 11 because every one of them out there ran through a brick wall for him tonight.
2.) 06 Dec 2023 23:34:00
Great win. City don’t sell papers much to the annoyance of their fans. Hence their obsession with IUtd.
3.) 07 Dec 2023 01:16:43
What fans? ?.
4.) 07 Dec 2023 02:36:25
Great to see the players step up tonight. Needs to stick with the same front line. Maybe shaw and reguilon should start at the weekend, we looked much more balanced.
5.) 07 Dec 2023 04:10:32
Have to say it was a great result. Not a classic game by any means but as mentioned above everybody put a shift in for 90 minutes against admittedly a poor side. But it was all about the performance and regardless of the win was exactly what was needed.
Now please can we kick on and do this every week. Results will come and go but the performance was 100%
Please for Amrabat. Had a solid game
Happy chap today!
6.) 07 Dec 2023 06:50:44
A great response from the players. It’s not unrealistic to say we could’ve scored 6 last night. Very well played and hats off to the manager and those players that put a shift in.
Doing it in away games is the next challenge, and they don’t come bigger than our next one.
7.) 07 Dec 2023 07:03:02
Played as a team last night until Rashford came on. Right decision to drop both Rashford and Martial plus Varane was not involved, interesting. When he came on Rashford didn’t break a sweat. Pressing well first half, dropped off a little second but very good win.
Next game needs to see the same, no bringing Rashford back in.
Yes, Garnacho makes mistakes, yes he can give the ball away but we have a real player with that lad. Also watch the film of him giving his boots that he scored the overhead kick with, to a young lad near Carrington. He played very well.
Onwards, and when we need a forward to run the line push McT forward and have Mainoo in the middle, leave Rash and le sulk on the bench.
8.) 07 Dec 2023 08:28:47
What I saw last night was the minimum I expected from a United side, they fought they put effort in and had a go. Was the selection telling in terms of who was in and who was out and the effort that came with it? I dunno bit I do know that I am happier watching a team try than watching a team who don't even if the former has players who are supposedly less talented.
9.) 07 Dec 2023 09:38:38
It’s nothing to do with City, every season Man Utd don’t win or come close then it is a disaster and rightly so. We are used to winning and that should be the bench mark, just because City being hypernormalised as winners now, we should not forget every thing Utd do without winning is turmoil.
10.) 07 Dec 2023 17:46:12
Who knows if true Redman, but varane has a back injury by some reports.
I do think rashford ran more than usual. I thought in his head he probably feels like he is chasing everything. But what I see is a guy running around unintelligently. He just runs, rather than trying to set pressing traps by cutting down angles and slowly boxing play into a corner and then running with high intensity to try and win the ball.
Unless garnacho is injured he should not be starting at the weekend.
14 Oct 2023 19:31:53
Looks like we're stuck with the glazers and will be for a very long time. What sane person would spend upwards of 7 billion to buy us? 6 billion upfront and then another billion clearing the debt the people you have just paid 6 billion to created.
Even if someone does agree I'm sure they will try and squeeze a bit more out.
1.) 14 Oct 2023 20:28:08
The problem is that the Glazers wanted 7bn+, Al Thani then eventually offered 6bn, but promised to spend a further 1.5bn on clearing debt and investment. All that did was tell the Glazers that he had an extra 1.5bn to spend. They tried to shake him down for it. He's offered nearly double the current market value for the club. They still won't sell. Time to walk away.
2.) 14 Oct 2023 22:16:04
It's a joke, can't blame him for walking away. Jim getting a quarter of the club is not a good move by him either. nothing will change and he will be the next target.
01 Sep 2023 17:57:18
One thing I have liked this summer is that we have moved on a lot of younger players who won't make the 1st team, yeah maybe it has been for low fees, but mostly we retain buy backs or sell on fees which will serve us well financially moving forward.
24 Aug 2023 19:49:10
Hearing benzema doesn't fit into nunos plans in Saudi, would you guys take him? Yes from me even if its on a 1 year deal. Proper goalscorer to take to pressure off hojlund and he could learn a lot from him.
1.) 24 Aug 2023 20:03:39
I don't think Nuno is going to win that fight. He'll be on a plane back to Europe shortly an even richer man.
2.) 24 Aug 2023 20:45:13
Gotta agree with Mumbles on this one. There’s no way the Saudis will side with Nuno on this one.
I had the pleasure of meeting the guy on multiple occasions back when he was at Wolves and I was working as a journalist. He can be a super nice guy, but he’s also not afraid to speak his mind and doesn’t seem like the sort to back down, neither of which will go down too well with his new employers.
18 Jul 2024 20:39:36
It's over jim ;)
25 Jun 2024 18:28:48
Berbatov was a magician on his day, very underrated. His 1st touch was different level.
23 May 2024 23:12:52
He will still be here for a couple of years yet. He loves the club.
17 Apr 2024 22:57:02
Thanks Ed.
19 Mar 2024 18:31:56
There's 2 ways of looking at it, yes he Is from the old school and was the last of his kind, but the guy knows about football and winning, nothing wrong with having saf as a sounding board or for advice he loves united.
17 Jul 2024 17:32:25
Got to be licha and him as 1st choice. He was unlucky last year with the injuries, I think he rushed himself back to try and help as we had a lot of cb injuries last year. Still think we will get de ligt aswell.
16 Jul 2024 20:26:57
It's going to be carsley you heard it here 1st. The fa have been trying to mould him into the position.
Let's be honest and I'm not being sexist but it won't be any woman manager.
12 Jul 2024 19:07:08
Hopefully he's learnt his lesson and gets his head down, we all know there is a really good player in their. Or the hierarchy have told him to come back keep his head down and go along with this for a couple of weeks and he can leave, protecting his value to the club as if he's not back with us and is trying to leave his value goes down.
04 Jul 2024 22:40:15
Biggest thing we need this summer is the new people coming in and setting clear rules and a code of conduct.
No more running your mouth on social media or acting like a spoilt brat because you've been put on the bench or subbed off.
Have pride in the badge on the front of the shirt and okay for it or on your bike.
04 Jul 2024 22:36:21
Utd have we got 3 rashfords? You're keeping 2 and maybe selling 1?. Getting rid of amrabat and then resigning him. I like the enthusiasm but that is just some random names in and out.