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05 Jul 2025 14:32:21
Reading that we are possibly close with a Sancho move to Juventus if salary can be resolved with potentially Luiz coming the other way.
Has anyone seen Luiz since he left Villa, if we get that version we will be adding a quality player suited to the PL that will help. but not seen much since he left.
1.) 05 Jul 2025 15:16:50
I like Douglas Luiz and he's a great player to have in the EPL. I'm not sure he's the ideal partner in midfield for Bruno, and seems more suited to play alongside an Ugarte type player.
A swap deal could be very smart, as the clubs can inflate the value of the players in the swap to show a greater profit on the books. For Juventus it means they can breakeven on Luiz, for us it will probably show a small profit.
2.) 05 Jul 2025 15:44:31
He was terrific at Villa, but according to all reports has been very poor at Juve, hence them looking to sell.
If it happens we shall have to hope we get old Luiz.
Tend to agree a bit with Shappy, not totally sure he is the ideal fit for Bruno.
There is much talk we are after Fabian Ruiz of PSG, he is a fabulous player, but again not sure he would be a good fit for Bruno, he's great at advancing the ball but not great defensively. Surely we need someone good at that aspect of play.
3.) 05 Jul 2025 16:57:48
I’d absolutely love Luiz.
Can’t see it happening though.
4.) 05 Jul 2025 19:15:14
I’d really like Adam Wharton.
Hayden Hackney would be an interesting gamble.
I think Douglas Luiz would be a good addition too if Casemiro moves on.
5.) 06 Jul 2025 05:22:49
So are we now saying Luiz is better player than Cass….?
6.) 06 Jul 2025 09:44:14
Cass despite some decent games in Europe last season can't cope with the pace of epl sp yes at this point Luiz would be a lot more effective than casimero 100%.
7.) 06 Jul 2025 14:24:59
So have you seen Luiz in the EPL last year to know he be better at coping, he not coped very well in Italy!
I would take Cass all day long over Luiz because he already here and he got bucket loads more experience and also a game a week will suit him fine… so I see no point in Luiz in Cass out, that’s for sure, no problem Cass out if a proven midfielder but Luiz ain’t that.
8.) 06 Jul 2025 16:14:15
German, Douglas Luiz made 175 appearances for Aston Villa between 2019 and 2024.
He's very much proven in the EPL.
He's a different kind of midfielder to Casemiro. Less combative, but better on the ball.
Peak Casemiro was a better player than Luiz has been, but right now in the EPL Douglas Luiz would be the better player. Casemiro just hasn't got the stamina for the EPL anymore unfortunately.
9.) 06 Jul 2025 17:14:23
In your opinion you mean…. I know he was at Villa but hardly pulled up any trees for them and looked awful in Italy last season, so the jury out if he be any good here, another year later… I would totally disagree though that he better passer or better with ball at his feet than Cass… or even able to score goals like Cass can……. I have no objections to getting Luiz I just don’t see an upgrade if Cass goes for him to come in, maybe an upgrade on Ugarte but not on Cass imo.
10.) 06 Jul 2025 18:46:53
German your hate for Ugarte is comedy gold.
11.) 06 Jul 2025 19:22:18
Why Redpaul, is he great then? Am I missing something and did PSG miss something too? In fact are all clubs missing something with him, even RA don’t start him in bigger games is he missing something too!
Please enlighten me what’s good about him or is he comedy gold and that’s what you mean
I don’t hate him, I don’t know him, I judge him as a player and he is not very good, that’s not hate…… your being woke with that word.
12.) 06 Jul 2025 19:31:41
German, he did pretty well at Villa, was chased by Arsenal and considering by City, won the supporters and players player of the season awards in 2022/ 23, and Juventus ended up paying €50m for him. Not an insignificant amount.
He got 10 goals and 10 assists in his final season at Villa while playing deeper in the double pivot.
I think most people who have watched him in the EPL for Villa appreciate he is a very good player.
13.) 07 Jul 2025 05:56:22
He might HAVE been a very good player at Villa, but Cass WAS an exceptional player at Real Madrid…if we are talking in the past tense! So bit of a non starter comparison in my view…. As usual you’re masking your view with stats so why not show stats of last season then? Maybe for them both? Thought not….
14.) 07 Jul 2025 06:09:27
I agree on ugarte. He’s not great. Arsenal have a decent set of midfielders and they’ve still added real quality in zubimendi. That’s what we did when we were good. Added high quality when we were already strong.
Even if we had have been lucky enough to have got Cunha, Mbeumo and Gyokeres I still feared for our midfield of ugarte, Bruno, Mainoo and collyer/ Casemiro. There isn’t a natural pairing of 2 amongst them.
Get the spine right first. That’s always the first rule in forming a team and right now ours is way below the standard, especially compared to Liverpool, Arsenal, city, Chelsea. I’d even argue that the two cop winners newcastle and palace have a better spine.
Out of those teams just considering
Keeper
Centre back (in our case the middle of the 3)
Centre DM
Attacking midfield we’re stacked but then we’re moving our best player back into a role that isn’t a natural fit. Remember it was Bruno that was dispossessed for the spurs goal in the final.
CF
Onana worst of them by far.
Maguire and deligt are “ok” but far below van dijk, Dias, Saliba, chelsea have 3/ 4 better.
Ugarte - nowhere near at the level of zubi, caiceido/ enzo, Rodri, gravenbach.
CF - least said the better.
We needed to improve up front but in reality we’ll struggle if we don’t upgrade the entire spine. It’s going to take 2–3 windows to get right and challenge again.
No wonder gyorkeres doesn’t want to come. We’ll improve this year, no doubt, but I still don’t see us breaking top 6. The road back is going to be long and painful.
15.) 07 Jul 2025 13:18:29
Agree airforce.
Gk cb cm still weaker than a new born kitten
But it will take time and unraveling the mess of dumb contracts to crap players will take some time.
That said we i'm very hopeful we can address keeper this summer along with the forwards. BUT WE HAVE TO SELL PLAYERS BEFORE WE CAN BUY.
16.) 07 Jul 2025 14:09:44
At last someone agrees, that we are very weak at CB I banged the drum for an age that the spine of the team is terrible and that’s what is being worked on, but we have to remember many don’t want to come to United it’s a long term project, especially they don’t want to come if we not now over paying on salaries, what else we got to offer.
I also agree top6 is going to be a push, but least one we will be aiming for next season.
The club is working to get the spine…GK, CB, Mid and strikers RAknows what he needs the club knows too, lots on here seem to think the glass butcher the fridge carrying CBs and can’t pass a ball 5 yards midfielders are good enough…. the same players that got us 15th last season
Garnacho, Rashford Sancho possibly Mainoo will all be gone. If RA had his way Ugarte, Onana Malacia, Rasmus and Zirkee will be gone too, but that might be wishful thinking….
17.) 07 Jul 2025 16:31:30
German i she on those with the exception of mainoo.
Technically and very good player and has time on his side. Had a bad season with a couple of muscle injuries last season and was clearly not up to standard.
However I think he has got lots of the fundamentals required.
Ra has put him on a special endurance and speed programme reportedly. If he can improve his athleticism he will rock most boxes.
Not a list cause by any means.
The rest of your list will all be gone sooner rather than later imo but can't all be done this summer.
18.) 08 Jul 2025 04:40:52
I did not say he is a lost cause, but he lacks mobility for a midfielder and speed that’s needed in today’s game especially when surrounded by no pace as is at United, if a good bid come in he would be on his way, but I don’t see a bid coming, because every club is aware of his shortcomings, that’s why I said possibility of him moving only… the rest are total waste of time, I would also add Deligt and Martinez the glass butcher to that list, they are both average at very best and again both too slow, both too injury prone too….
04 Jul 2025 13:29:59
Looks like we may have heard some positive news today around Rashford. Firstly Bayern are showing an interest and apparently Rashford is open to this.
Secondly it looks like Nico Williams has signed a new 10 year contract with Bilbao so at least for now he is off the list for Barcelona which maybe opens them back up.
On the Williams news whilst I am sure he is being paid well you have to respect a player who puts happiness and where he wants to be, playing with his brother for a team he obviously loves over everything else.
1.) 04 Jul 2025 16:01:44
Barcelona are not stupid enough to stump up 40 million for that clown absolutely no chance.
He will either end up back at United or on loan somewhere and we will be footing half of his wage bill.
Both Rashford and the club are a complete embarrassment for ending up in this situation.
2.) 04 Jul 2025 16:20:13
He will be on various loans for the rest of his United contract. Nobody would get close to paying his current salary. Always a chance he could come back to United, but I doubt it unless the manager changes.
3.) 04 Jul 2025 17:21:03
The press were telling us he was back to his best at Villa, yet they chose not to try and exercise their option.
4.) 04 Jul 2025 19:20:23
He scored more for united than villa last season. I never understood the big improvement headlines.
I can see a deal done with Barcelona if they are allowed register new players. I think he would do well there.
5.) 04 Jul 2025 20:47:28
He proper rattles people on here. It's very amusing.
6.) 04 Jul 2025 23:11:45
Same could be said for you angelred. ?.
7.) 05 Jul 2025 07:37:30
He does Angel, as does Sancho. He doesn't rattle me, I just find it massively disappointing that a local lad who could have gone to achieve great things has lost his way, for whatever reason.
8.) 05 Jul 2025 08:14:04
I'm not sure what 'lost his way' means AJH. He had been playing okay this season for us, scored 7 right? Given the way the season went after he left, and how every else played in the team, didn't everyone 'lose their way' then? But no other player takes pelters. He is forever hammered via the media.
The club were the ones to tell him to move on so he went to villa. And I watched the majority of his Villa games and tbh he played really really well. I don't think he wanted Villa, but the narrative is, Villa didn't want him.
Sancho on the other hand has just been a horrible signing from the get-go.
9.) 05 Jul 2025 08:46:09
Nonsense angel. He was not playing well. He scored a few goals 7 I think 2 sets of 2 so he scored in 4 or 5 games and didn't try to fit in with the teams philosophy on top of the same last year. abject performances.
Having mediocre personal stats in a team game is often not an i dication of how you fit into a team.
Villa didn't want him. They had an option to buy him but never tried.
10.) 05 Jul 2025 09:39:41
Hes always blown hot and cold, he had a remarkable run before he hurt his back and then the blinding season when he came back, but he's always been streaky.
He suddenly had loads of tattoos, jewellery, flash cars, and a high profile lifestyle. Nothing wrong with that, but when you are ambling around the pitch appearing not to be trying, the criticism is justified.
Remember, I was one of his biggest supporters and regularly defenderd him, United Addict and I used to clash on Rashford, but there comes a point when enough is enough. I 5h8nk h8s head had gone, again, for whatever reason.
11.) 05 Jul 2025 10:37:26
AJH,
You've perfectly summed Rashford up.
12.) 05 Jul 2025 15:18:25
Rashford will do well if he goes to a top side. He's a very good player, but lacks consistency. With better players around him his dips won't be as noticeable, while he will also get more time and space on the ball so will likely score and assist more.
13.) 06 Jul 2025 11:15:56
Most here would say Rashford has lots of talent but he doesn't seem to work on his weaknesses. His pressing is awful and that's just application. Ambling around when the ball is in our defence isn't the worst thing especially if he puts in the effort in attack. He doesn't jump for headers, make decoy runs or generally work as a team player. His output doesn't justify the rest of the team putting in the effort on his behalf. There are numerous reports of him being almost uncoachable and that he doesn't listen to instruction. I hope he changes and makes the most of his talents, but we need to move on.
14.) 07 Jul 2025 14:12:37
Rashford is not as bad as everywhere on here tries to paint, if he goes to Barcelona which is very good possibility he will do very well, with much better players around him all the focus won’t be on him, he appears to lost his way and needs the move to resurrect his career, much worse players are moving for well over 40 mil, so Rashford going won’t be a problem.
17 Jun 2025 10:19:33
Any genuine noise around Sancho? Feels like it would be best for him to go back to Germany where he knows he performs but will not get the salary or us the sale price. Saudi would provide both but at his age and deluded belief in his ability not sure he will go for that.
I wonder whether we need to follow the Arsenal route with some of there over inflated players and pay off some wages in the last year. if we can cover what we would get from Chelsea (£20m) and then offer him maybe £3/ 5m in wages to offset the last year of his deal this may work all round as would not impact our PSR.
1.) 17 Jun 2025 12:03:50
If Chelsea found his wages too much to handle, there are going to be a very few clubs that will accept Sancho on the wages he is on.
The club may have to look at reintegration into the squad as one of the 10s as a backup, he is better than Mason Mount at football and he didn't fall out with the current manager so might be worth a shot tbh.
2.) 17 Jun 2025 16:08:30
It's not the manager he needs to worry about, DSG.
3.) 17 Jun 2025 17:35:48
Genuine noise around Sancho is that he's lazy, and utterly deluded.
He won't drop his wage demands despite not managing a single performance over the past 4 years to suggest he is worth even half of what he is demanding.
At best it looks like we might have to loan him out with the loan club picking up most of his wages and the rest being covered by a loan fee. Otherwise we will lose more Mon on him next season and he'll leave for free when his contract is up.
Personally, given the fee, wages paid, potential/ expectations, and the trouble he's caused he has to go down as our worst ever signing.
Chelsea actually paid us to avoid signing him. Chelsea chose to effectively set fire to 5m rather than pay a reasonable fee and give Sancho a contract.
4.) 17 Jun 2025 18:49:52
There’s no way back for Sancho. He has openly mocked the club, and continues to say how much he hates it here. Amorim is trying to build a strong team mentality, and bringing Sancho back creates more division.
Not to mention his continual failure to perform in the EPL.
Terrible attitude, overrated talent, and zero evidence that he is capable of putting in work and effort.
He hates the club, but would rather stay and not play than take a pay cut. Tells us everything we need to know about him.
5.) 17 Jun 2025 18:56:19
I wish I got 5m for every time someone said no to me.
6.) 17 Jun 2025 22:17:47
Key, that probably doesn't sound the way you intended ?♂️?.
7.) 18 Jun 2025 14:37:15
Chelsea didn’t pay a loan fee for Sancho originally due to the obligation to buy clause of £20m. The £5m ‘cancellation clause’ was in essence the loan fee.
8.) 19 Jun 2025 12:08:43
I wouldn't shift my wage demands either, if I was on that contract ?
He probably knows he has to significantly change the figures that he is on. But he's not going to take a massive hit for one year, it's not going to happen. As much as I don't like him as a player, he is well within his rights to dig his heels in.
And then next year, if his demands haven't been met, not doubt he will lower them to ensure he finds a club.
United are the ones at fault here, they gave into incredible demands for a player that wasn't worth it. It's their fault, not his.
13 Jan 2025 21:34:40
Looks like Nkunku could be on his way out of Chelsea with PSG or Chelsea interested. With the Sancho deal in the summer and potentially good relations between the clubs is it worth looking at a loan to buy option for him?
I think he could work well in our number 10 positions.
1.) 13 Jan 2025 22:51:22
Nice company for Mount and Shaw on the treatment table?
2.) 14 Jan 2025 09:04:51
On his way out of Chelsea but Chelsea are interested? How does that work lol?
3.) 14 Jan 2025 09:08:33
With Chelsea anything is possible Fizz! I meant to say Bayern.
Had not considered he was that much of a health risk Eric, you are right though looks to have had a few issues.
I do like him as a player and think could fit, maybe for the money there are other alternatives out there.
4.) 14 Jan 2025 10:39:18
Fair shout re Chelsea Brad LOL.
5.) 14 Jan 2025 13:33:21
Love it Brad.
11 Jun 2024 22:22:25
Ten Hag staying as manager next year according to Fabrizio Romano with possible contract extension being discussed.
We now know and can start the plans for next year.
Whatever side of the fence it is at least not Southgate!
1.) 11 Jun 2024 22:47:57
This won’t be news to Ten Hag!
2.) 11 Jun 2024 22:52:23
I am really surprised and very disappointed but they have made their choice and he I support it as they have spoken to several others and decided on eth. Who am I to argue.
Imo they need to back him fully now and give him the security of a new contract.
I now live in hope that he can turn the mess of last season into something better next season.
Personally I'd be happy with top 4 and some decent progression. We can't do much worse in the league onwards and upwards.
@ angel I was wrong.
All we can do is support their decision and hope for the best.
3.) 12 Jun 2024 02:06:05
I think progression would be getting back in the UCL tumble with another cup run
We should be one of the favourites for the europa
And given we will make signings and sales if recruitment is done correct I don’t see why we can’t enter that competition with the aim to win it and at least go to the semi final stage
We do need much better depth it’s clear to see when we missed certain players in certain positions the quality was miles off
Get some young hungry players in and let him coach, he was great at building his Ajax team who were young ( English football is a lot different ) trust the process imo
1 more trophy in England and he’s competed it ??.
Jokes aside I think ten hag does need to be better at his subs but I can’t really moan when the players we have had on the bench have been nowhere near as good in quality
Hopefully rashford can be the player he was the season before and having a proper summer break will do him good
Players like Mount and malacia it’s make or break for them next season, hardly seen Mount so can’t really judge proper, I like Mount and hope he can get some fitness over the summer and start the season well
For me sales wise
Casimiro
Linderpoo
Van de beek
Greenwood
Sancho
Antony (not sure we would find it so easy to sell)
Wan bissaka but not a priority
Pellestri
Erickson
Martial (already gone)
Varane ( already gone)
Then you have to look at players like malacia, mount if they can’t stay fit I can’t see them being there after next season
Even players like shaw, these can’t be trusted if they can’t play games to a consistent amount just get rid
In terms of buys I think we need
2cbs
A left back
2 cms 1 more defensive
A winger
A striker
Obviously no one gets that many players in but with the money saved on wages and possible sales and looking at the squad I think it’s needed.
4.) 12 Jun 2024 03:30:28
Terrible decision. The only consolation is that he’ll probably be gone by Christmas. Let’s just hope they don’t let him waste any more money on dodgy signings between now and then.
5.) 12 Jun 2024 05:33:17
Tumble
You are a good man and respect. let's hope for a good window both outgoing and incoming and players coming back from copa and euros without any major injuries.
6.) 12 Jun 2024 05:45:36
That's the spirit Red.
Ten Hag's future depends on the fitness of Licha, keep him fit and our whole defence suddenly looks a lot better.
Like everyone else, I go into seasons eternally optimistic until proved otherwise.
7.) 12 Jun 2024 06:28:00
Fair one Ken, lot harder to say you were wrong than people think ?.
8.) 12 Jun 2024 07:49:40
Nice1 Ken. Nowt wrong with a bit of humble pie. ????.
9.) 12 Jun 2024 07:56:05
Fair ken, I'm confident he has the ability to do it. And agree, he needs a contract, just for security and to keep the rumour mill at bay for a while.
But if he doesn't show progression, he will be gone, I'm under no illusion. I just couldn't bring myself to properly judge him on last season alone.
He does have 3 cup finals and 2 trophies in 2 years, so he has solid ground under him to build.
10.) 12 Jun 2024 08:45:12
redseven, what team are you going to support now?
11.) 12 Jun 2024 13:54:26
Good to see you can say you were wrong Ken, fair play.
Enjoyed the banter along that journey ?.
12.) 12 Jun 2024 14:34:00
I'm wrong about things everyday jimbob. Everybody is. As long as I get more important stuff right than wrong I'm happy out.
All I can do now is hope. I'm not expecting anything different to the last 2 seasons over the next 2 but all any fan has is hope so I'm hoping for the best.
13.) 12 Jun 2024 17:05:25
To be fair weed, I'd say the review would have been a lot harder on him had he not won the fa cup. I'm glad he's staying but I don't want any whinging about injuries or anything else next season.
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03 Jun 2025 13:02:29
With Fenandes declaring that he does not want to take the riches of Saudi and assuming another club in Europe does not come in for him there are a couple of questions that need answering:
1. Where will he play - assumption that he will play as the transitional player in midfield/ option as 10/ false 9 if needed
2. Who is the best option to play alongside him from within the existing
3. Who is the best option to play alongside him from if we brought player in - Ederson?
1.) 03 Jun 2025 14:00:16
Assuming we're going for another no.10 as well as a no.9, it would seem he could well push back into midfield as an option as he has done a lot last season, although I do feel we're weaker in that system. The player alongside him needs to be athletic and disciplined. Ederson seems to have fans here, I've not seen much of him myself. In terms of Prem proven Wharton needs to be in the mix.
2.) 03 Jun 2025 14:16:36
With Chuna and possibly Mbeumo, I could see a slight shift in formation.
Bruno as a false 9, with Chuna and Mbeumo playing higher and cutting inside. This would give an extra body in midfield, and give us two goal threats from wide. Similar to how Liverpool played with Firmino, but with Amorim’s system.
3.) 03 Jun 2025 14:23:59
I would prefer Felix Nmecha from Dortmund
He's also young with potential to develop (24)
4.) 03 Jun 2025 15:44:48
I think it’s quite clear RA will play him further back to orchestrate for the new front 3 (hopefully) just means we need steel/ power/ legs in there too and more commanding CB with pace and a decent keeper, but the deal being muted of a swap with Rashford for TerStegan would be a great deal if at all possible to solve keeper problem.
I am very pleased Bruno is staying.
5.) 03 Jun 2025 17:02:02
No reason a player of his quality can not drop deeper into midfield and still perform well.
Just needs to become more disciplined and not run around pressing like a headless chicken (looks good on tv and can dupe the fans but it kills the team when he presses like a headless chicken) .
Also if he can be a bit more disciplined on the ball keeping possession as well (gave the ball away in the europa league carelessly for example) .
6.) 03 Jun 2025 17:50:21
That will be up to the manager. I'm sure he has a plan with bruno he wanted him to stay.
7.) 03 Jun 2025 18:11:09
Let’s not discuss anything ever then lol.
28 May 2025 08:58:10
The Espanyol goalkeeper Joan Garcia is getting some traction with potential deals agreed already with City and Barcelona.
One interesting point on the Barcelona deal is that due to their financial position they may need to loan him out for a year, if this is the case we should be looking to do a deal with them.
With finances tighte this year we would be getting an upgrade on Onana (based on the small bit I have seen and reports read. not extensive! ), we can sell Onana for money now and kick the decision on our long term goalkeeper into next year when we may have less issues in other positions.
I think we need to think outside the box this year on recruitment and sales. would be one option.
1.) 28 May 2025 10:24:55
Brad selling onana at a loss will restrict our ability to buy new players.
Selling him at break even will give us no money to invest.
Reading these pages underlines how little the average fan understands the finer details around club finances and the psr and ffp rules. I don't believe everyone is stupid just ill or non informed.
But it's easier to perhaps to just ignore than it is to read up on it to at least try and understand the nuances and educate ourselves.
Selling any player below book value will generate a loss.
Selling any player for their book value say onana has a book value of 35m. If we sell him for less we have made a loss this restricts our ability to invest. If we sell him for the book value of 35m it gives us no money to invest on new players but won't generate a loss.
If we sell him for 40m we have 5 m towards our transfer kitty as we will have made a profit. Not 5m as taxes fees and associated costs for the transfer come out of that 5m profit.
There is a reason ed002 would not get into the finances as some struggle to understand.
Before the club spends 1 penny this summer we owe 197m for previous transfers.
This is the primary reason that HG players and others like bruno dalot Shaw maguire are the more attractive sales because they have no debt against their book value and generate 10o% profit when sold. This enables us to invest in replacements without generating an in-balance on the accounts.
You don't sell 200m worth of players and them have that 200m available unless they are all sold at 100% profit.
{Ed025's Note - if you got £40m for Onana Ken i will show my bare arse in John Colliers window mate...£4 would be nearer the mark..
2.) 28 May 2025 10:49:26
If it was any other position I'd probably agree with you. But the keeper position is so key to a side I think having a keeper play as first choice for a year only to definitely leave at the end of the season no matter how well they play is more disruptive than beneficial.
The only way I'd agree to loan a keeper is if we had a purchase option included in the deal.
As for Joan Garcia he is a player I think we should be trying to sign outright. If City come in and want to make him first choice then he'll definitely go there. A chance to play for Pep and challenge for the biggest trophies is probably too good for him to turn down. Joining Barcelona would be a tricky move for him as he plays for their fiercest rivals, that move would make him very unpopular in Catalonia. Also to move to them and then be loaned out and not even play for them would be hugely insulting to the Espanyol fans.
We need to ideally sign a keeper who can be our first choice for the next 5-7 years, if that isn't possible this summer then it needs to be a top class second choice who can dislodge Onana this season then be back up to a top class keeper that we sign next summer.
Rumours of the two most likely signings are Senne Lammens who is that young keeper with top class potential, and Vanja Milenkovic-Savic who is that older top class second choice who'll kick Onana to the bench next season, but probably needs a better long term option signed next summer.
I think the club is more likely to go for someone like Lammens if Onana cannot be sold, if Onana leaves then I think they will be more likely to go for a more experienced option like VMS.
3.) 28 May 2025 11:44:37
That is in an ideal world shappy but we are not in that position.
Letting ddg go and spending 47 plus huge wages to this dope with the same agents as eth was as dumb as move as we have made over the past 10 years.
The fee for onana would have paid ddg for 4 more years.
He was prepared to take a cut so maybe 5 plus more years. Honestly one of the dumbest moves in the clubs history imo.
But you live and learn.
Most important position in any team and we screwed it up so badly. He also signed the worst no2 I've seen at the club since paddy roache in the 70s.
Gk needs addressing as badly as a striker.
I wonder will dopey hole sign him for leverkusen. its a possibility if their DOF has been in a coma for past 2 years.
4.) 28 May 2025 12:36:12
I wonder if Erik could be interested in a few Utd players he signed, depending on Lederhosen's current options. They have the Finnish no.1 GK. Not sure of Onana is an up/ downgrade for them.
5.) 28 May 2025 13:07:58
Onana mistakes cost us at least 4 or 5 places last season, so £12m to £15m. In business, ypu also look at sunk costs and ROI. If there's 1 player I expect we would happily take a loss on its Onana. The lack of confidence leads to defenders making mistakes, he comes for it when he shouldn't and doesn't when he should, he can't read danger when playing out and his long game has gone to pot. I doubt he will be here next season no matter what. Even at a £10m loss the psychological gain for the defence and the reduction in errors, which are always called costly errors because that's exactly what they are, makes it a no brainer for me. Info's sold 2 chemical plants last year at a $400m loss, so they get the idea of staying in a bad investment makes no sense for anyone.
6.) 28 May 2025 11:25:53
Ed025 exactly. Unless we get a mad Saudi bid then we are better off financially keeping him or loaning him. It's a binding we find ourselves in with several players.
It's catch 22. It will take time and hurt us to resolve so many of these issues. There is no quick fix. If the finances were not so poor you could take a hit on a player like onana but we have 6 or 7 we need to take ahit on and that would cause psr failure and points deductions. So it's not a case of ripping the plaster off and taking the hit because that would have catastrophic unintended consequences. It's very complex so we need patience. We can't fix them all this summer. If we make a lot of profit on others we could perhaps take a hit or 2 but not on all of them.
{Ed025's Note - i agree Ken, this is not a quick fix mate..
7.) 28 May 2025 13:36:22
Ken absolutely agree that the average fan does not fully understand PSR and the finer details around financials, I fully put myself into that boat. even less sometimes.
My point still stands for me, regardless of whether we make a PSR profit (unlikely), PSR break even (maybe could get £25m from Saudi as 2 years will be off his purchase price), or a PSR loss (potentially £5-10m) the benefit of bringing in a better goalkeeper would outweigh the performances he has put up this past year and the points he has cost us.
I am not sure the club will do it for the reasons you say, but as I have said in this and previous posts we should be thinking outside the box with recruitment and sales this year. Profit will come from other sales to offset this.
8.) 28 May 2025 16:14:14
Loss or not, he needs to be gone one way or other! Total Clown and to think some were so excited when he was coming in and DeGea was going!
9.) 28 May 2025 16:21:03
Brad i don't disagree.
10.) 28 May 2025 23:19:29
Garcia and Lammens, move onto other areas thereafter.
02 Feb 2025 13:10:29
Regardless of incomings which we know we will need over the next few windows I think the club are doing good business with players leaving which we know is difficult based on salaries and how much we paid initially.
Loans for Rashford, Sancho, Antony which hopefully will turn into permanent moves. Malacia being discussed as loan this window. Casimero, Lindelof and I expect Shaw to be moved in the summer will mean big wages have gone and we have recouped some money.
Not saying all our problems are solved but it is a step in the right direction and I like the age and profile of the players being discussed coming in.
Turning us round will take a while but the first few steps are happening.
1.) 02 Feb 2025 13:43:19
Agreed on all but Shaw. He staying or leaving will depend on how he gets on till end of the season. We should have salary space but I don't know if that will reflect in enhanced budget. Getting in a starting midfielder, forward player (or two) and squad reinforcements won't be cheap and probably need to happen in the summer. It's going to be busy.
2.) 02 Feb 2025 14:24:19
Hopefully Shaw can stay fit and have an impact for the rest of the season, so much that another club comes in for him.
That would be the perfect scenario.
3.) 02 Feb 2025 15:51:14
Come to the conclusion it doesn't matter who comes in, they're a disaster. yoro today, my god how gad.
4.) 02 Feb 2025 16:07:05
The team is awful, you could bring in a front 3 of Haaland, Salah and Mbappe and the team would still look awful and not score.
5.) 02 Feb 2025 17:33:37
At least Martinez will come back from injury not like Shaw, Shaw no excuses needs the door.
6.) 02 Feb 2025 18:26:40
Nick,
What did Yoro do today that was worse than any of the others? Seems random to just pick him out for abuse.
7.) 02 Feb 2025 19:24:01
Where do I start? Throughout the fame he qas just weak, he didn't have a clue where the players where. and his passing, wow not sure he actually managed a hit a red shirt. Maguire was poor, in fact all 11 to 15 were, but he was as bad as I've seen from any defender. not first time either, been hopeless since he's started playing.
8.) 02 Feb 2025 20:37:18
Yoro had a 94% passing accuracy from 57 passes today, Maguire 79% from 73 passes and Martinez 86% from 68 passes. Martinez was actually the 2nd highest in the team. 94% is extremely good for a player that never hit a red shirt. For context Van Dijk had an 89% pass success in their game yesterday.
Interesting how different people see the games isn’t it and how you see what you want to see, but stats are a good way to check if what you’re eyes are telling you is correct.
9.) 02 Feb 2025 21:58:53
I am not in the slightest bit interested in passing accuracy. A totally skewed statistic especially for defenders that pass it 5 yards (eventually) sideways.
10.) 03 Feb 2025 00:03:03
Keefy,
Absolutely fine but Nick said Yoro never passed to a red shirt when in fact he passed to a red shirt more than any other player on the pitch.
11.) 03 Feb 2025 09:19:48
Yep not arguing that mate. Just that skewed or totally irrelevant stats are my absolute bug bear.
31 Jan 2025 08:55:42
A couple of thoughts from our recent games and the window closing on Monday.
If Dorgu comes in this will give us a genuine balance and wingback option on the left, with Shaw if he gets fit/ Malacia if he remains as cover. This will allow us to rely on Dalot/ Amad on the right wingback role, which I think currently are the best players suited to that position.
Mazouari is one of my favourtite players at the minute, he is really good in any position but is excelling whenever played as the right sided CB. We should play him there and allow for Yoro to develop and get minutes as the season goes on. Martinez/ De Ligt/ Mazouari should be our starting.
The switch of Mainoo/ Fernandes seems to be a bit of a master stroke and currently seems to fit boths atributes whilst limiting there weaknesses. Mainoo alongside Garnacho if he stays could really grow as the season goes on, they have a real connection together.
Striker, if we can loan a player in this would be the best option to get us through the season. If that is one of our long term targets put in option to buy, if not then straight loan. Zirkzee I can see offers something, Hojlund needs a reset as at the minute nothing seems to be working. Even when he was getting some goals it was very streaky.
All in, I can see shoots of positivity. let's get some of the players out we need to. we all know who they are.
1.) 31 Jan 2025 10:51:17
Agree Brad. New left sided player is priority, and then striker.
Ferguson at Brighton was mooted on here but would be a huge gamble, David at Lille hasn’t moved for whatever reason…. who else is there?
2.) 31 Jan 2025 12:04:17
Dorgu looks like he could be a shrewd signing. We've obviously paid the United tax, but I don't think we can get away from that.
Yet we've actually signed a player who looks to have huge potential, especially in the role we want him for, but he hasn't yet had his massive breakout season where you end up getting the same top sides all looking to sign him, pushing his price right up.
I remember when we were linked with players like Caicedo before he joined Brighton and Enzo Fernandez before he joined Benfica. Yeah they went for peanuts at the time, but we all know you could increase that by 50% if we had actually tried to sign them.
Dorgu will obviously go straight into the first team squad and probably pretty quickly into the starting 11. I think he will improve us immediately, but that it'll be a season or two before he really starts to click into gear consistently.
Yet it is a shift away from waiting until a player has a massive breakout year, or for them to move to a mid-level "stepping stone" club and do it there for a year before we try to sign them at a massively inflated fee by that time.
I don't think it benefits us to wait to see if they are successful elsewhere before we sign them, it doesn't actually make them any less likely to flop. Either they have the ability and mentality to succeed or they don't. Amad is an example, he took a few years to continue to develop and had to go out on loan. Yet if he was playing this well for Atalanta right now he'd cost us 70-80m based on what they charged us for Højlund. Instead we paid an initial 19m rising to a maximum of 37m depending on various clauses.
At the time that wasn't even a great deal, we could and should have been able to negotiate a better deal than that. But that was how the old regime did things. However, in hindsight that deal looks pretty reasonable, if he keeps up this form and maybe even goes up another level then it looks a great deal.
13 Nov 2024 09:49:58
With all the silence and false dawns around Malacia it was great to see that he was on the pitch for the U21's yesterday.
I imagine it will be a while before we see him playing with the first team but it is just great for the lad that he has managed to get 45 minutes of playing time.
If he can stay fit and develop he does feel like the sort of player that Amorim may like in the wing back positions.
1.) 13 Nov 2024 10:10:48
Great news and probably a few weeks away and few more games with U21 and 60 minute sort of preps. Shaw also seems almost back. The more the merrier. RA will need all the bodies who can help and some might surprise. Martinez coming back as he seems to have injured his hip and hope nothing serious.
I think it might be a first ever that we may have almost no injuries after the break and full squad available assuming they come back from internationals okay. Last 18 months half have been missing at one point or another.
Really cool pics of RA meeting some of the players floating around.
{Ed077's Note - Is it just me or is Martinez getting injured a bit too frequently? }
2.) 13 Nov 2024 10:47:03
Ed077
Hopefully nothing serious. Injuries across europe by the looks of it and lots of acl tears. Lots of CB's picking up injuries in the league. The volume of games and intensity takes its toll.
RM are a walking hospital and looks like lost 2/ 3 more players. some long term too.
{Ed077's Note - Hopefully nothing serious. But he has picked up a fair few injuries in the last 18 months and its not ideal to have your main CB miss games again and again.
3.) 13 Nov 2024 11:11:40
Ed he is barong above his weight physically every week.
He also theirs himself into challenges unnecessarily. However that's his style and you lose something from his game if you curtail those habits.
He will always have his share of knocks simply bevvies he is a little man with a huge heart and sometimes the 2 don't always workout.
{Ed077's Note - wakey wakey TW. Or is it Fot Fingers ? ;-P
4.) 13 Nov 2024 11:32:01
Ed077 - you do have a point with Martinez and it could be that he just can't shake previous injuries and they keep flairing up.
My 11 year old asked whether he is actually injured or whether he did not want to risk it on international duty and wanted to focus on being available for our fist game back. Was proud he is as cynical as the rest of us!
{Ed077's Note - no DNA tests necessary :-D
5.) 13 Nov 2024 12:39:16
Martinez just needs Rhythm, he took a couple of dirty challenges at the weeked and probably down to one of those.
Also you are more likely to get injuries when you've just returned from one. The body needs to get used to impacts for conditioning.
07 Jul 2025 13:51:23
Do I know much about this player other than stats and a bit of Google searching. no
If this is true do I absolutely love it. yes
Would mean that we are doing work without noise getting out which is everything we have wanted and why (foolishly maybe) I think we need to stay calm and see how the transfer window plays out.
04 Jul 2025 08:17:57
Hopefully there is some truth in Real Madrid looking at Alvaro as well which could bring in a similar amount of PSR profit.
Improves our position or let's us offset if we can't balance this on the Sancho/ Antony deals.
26 Jun 2025 18:07:06
Tim, posted a little while back that we may need to do something clever with Sancho who seems to have money as his driver. Pay up part of final year salary difference so long as we receive the right offer.
Interesting to see whet her we try to use as makeweight for either Osimhen or Vlahovic.
26 Jun 2025 18:01:35
If £150k a week wages are true as well that will be another positive that we are learning from our current crop of players struggling to sell.
26 Jun 2025 14:42:30
Love these old school rumours. usually someone who is working on house search in advance!
I would not be surprised if Rashford was wanted by Barcelona as he can cover the wing and striker positions. With Williams looking like he will come in and them still having Raphina and Lamal it feels like he will be going as a rotational piece.
Ideally a sale but realistically with their financial position with La Liga (unless they have pulled more levers! ) it will be a loan with a fee and wages covered. possibly option/ obligation to buy.
10 Jul 2025 19:04:03
We are historically shocking at transfers but things are developing, we keep saying don't overpay but want things done quickly that may mean overpaying.
Also, Gibbs white looks like he has a release clause so spurs will trigger that. as we did for Cunha.
Do not kid yourself they the Mbeumo and Kudus situation is the same. completely differing seasons last year with West Ham happy to sell to revamp squad whilst Brentford are happy if Mbeumo stays.
Neither have been holding a spurs shirt up yet.
10 Jul 2025 08:36:17
Zirkzee next season will be a survicable striker/ 10 when needed. I do not think he will be our main one but will work well with Cunha/ Mbeumo (assuming he comes in) . He will come short allowing those to push on past him linking up.
What we also need is a defence stretching striker who pushes them back leaving room for the 10's to move into. If we can get this I think we have a good double team to flex in games and styles depending on who we are playing.
Would then allow for Hojlund to either build and play as 3rd choice. give him the time he really needed when he came in. or sell/ loan. Chido then could get some games or maybe needs a loan.
I think we will go with Onana for this season and focus on other areas, again CB unless the main one we want is available I think we will stick with what we have and less injuries we should get through the season - Yoro - De Ligt - Heaven would be my start with Mazouri - Maguire - Martinez as rotation.
10 Jul 2025 08:29:08
Jimbo - I absolutely agree with you. PSG made some major changes in direction to get them where they are. If we believe we have the manager then we need to give it time with the right players.
For Mbape you can replace with all of the freedom 5 players we have for improving by removing.
PSG have the benefit of being able to do this whilst in a league where there dips are not as probounced but the sentiment is the same.
09 Jul 2025 15:32:31
Brentford are not desperate for the money so the Wissa deak will not have any bearing on the Mbeumo deal. What is more a risk is that the clubs canot come to an agreement on price and at the minute Brentford are bullish either on the value or the make up of the offer.
It will happen soon.
09 Jul 2025 14:21:37
Call ne a fool bit there are A number of factors that make me think we have a realistic shot at top 6.
No Europe - whilst there is a financial hit I think the time to be able to plan and get more training in Amorim's style will have a huge benefit.
Injuries - we are not likely to be hit quite as much next season by injuries due to reduced games allowing for rest, also a bit more luck!
New players - yes we only have Cunha in but we are likely to get Mbeumo eventually as well as a striker and central midfielder. These may come once outgoings but I am sure these will happen at least
Other teams - whilst other teams will improve players there is a realistic chance that some of the teams will dip a bit. How will they cope with playing as well as Europe, will teams like Forest/ Villa have as good a year
We will just be better
Only time will tell but at this stage with no games played why can't we be optimistic.