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12 Jun 2022 17:16:43
My friends in good places say we have agreed a deal for Dumfries,

Utd can pull the trigger when they like but it depends on them finding wan bissaka a club.


Also telles is up for sale, but there is not much interest.

As always I'm just passing the information on. enjoy.

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12 Jun 2022 18:07:25
Interesting one this I think everyone agrees we need an upgrade at RB.

12 Jun 2022 18:36:01
Without doubt upgrade needed, that’s for sure…….

12 Jun 2022 18:53:06
If only.

Would be a massive upgrade.

Not going to happen though.

12 Jun 2022 19:13:11
Cheers Big V. Dumfries looked quality at the Euros and would be a great addition at RB. Telles looks a poor signing doesn't he and another we will be lumbered with for a long time. Even longer if we are stupid enough to offer another contract to 'protect his value' as we have done so ridiculously with others previously. Hope those days are gone!

12 Jun 2022 19:39:18
Really like Dumfries - he looked a real weapon for Holland at the Euros bombing forward.
Understandably we're being linked to every Dutch fullback whether it's pushing Timber out there or Malacia or even Blind again on the left side. Think he'd cost a fair whack and can't see fullbacks being a major concern this season if I'm honest with so much required elsewhere, as important as modern fullbacks are.

12 Jun 2022 20:17:19
Spenno are you serious Full backs not an issue, I would say it’s a major issue and one of first signings needed at RB.

12 Jun 2022 20:22:19
Would take Dumfries all day long. Massive upgrade on AWB. Hopefully Palace take him back.

12 Jun 2022 20:59:43
Duvin, you’d prefer a RB over CM, DM, CB and a winger?

12 Jun 2022 21:06:15
People are very quick to condemn AWB, despite playing well the season before last, then think Dalot is good enough. Easily one of the worst right backs i have ever seen watching United since 1983. Duxbury, Sivebeck and Gidman were all far better. Luke Shaw on the left, along with Telles, is equally as bad and needs upgrading.

12 Jun 2022 21:10:24
I would have thought Dalot is considered our first choice over AWB these days? Not that I’m defending either….

12 Jun 2022 21:15:11
Very sad if that's true as both of them are a long way off the standard of top modern day full-backs.

12 Jun 2022 22:31:18
Is Dumfries not better as a wing back rather than a right back? Would potentially give an indication into how eth wants us to play.

12 Jun 2022 22:35:20
Very few players get past AWB and he was v good in his first season. I was hoping good coaching by ETH might see a return to that form plus an improvement in his ability to cross a ball. Why do we always seem to be so quick to jettison players after they have one bad patch or season.

12 Jun 2022 23:12:26
This might sound controversial but I think a LB is needed more than a RB. Especially if we buy Timber.

I actually think Dalot could do well under EtH. I certainly think he has more potential to do well and suit his style than any of AWB, Telles or even Shaw.

EtH at Ajax has played with one fullback tucking in to a more central position to form a back three with the two CB's. While the other steps into midfield alongside the number 6 (with the No.8 pushing forward.

AWB lacks the ability in the air to tuck into the back three and the technical ability to step into midfield. He's gone.

Telles lacks the aerial ability to step into the back three. Maybe he could tuck into midfield but he looks lightweight in the EPL and probably doesn't have the physical ability to handle the midfield battle.

Shaw lacks the spatial awareness and intelligence to step into midfield. Maybe he could tuck in as part of the back three. Yet even there EtH's system works on intelligence and understanding of the game. The ability to read where your teammates are, where the opposition are and where you need to be in whatever transition the team is in. Given that Jose once said he had to talk Shaw through games with it being his mind in Shaw's body, it definitely seems like Shaw will struggle to adapt to EtH's system.

Dalot at 6ft, with good technique and a reasonable level of football intelligence seems like a player who could either join the back three or step into midfield.

Personally I'd sign a left back long before we sign a RB.

12 Jun 2022 23:21:02
You may be proven right with Dalot Shappy but i personally doubt that very much. People say he's better going forward than AWB but has the same amount of goals and assists.
Maybe Ten Hag will improve him but for me i just doubt he will get to the level a top RB should be at.

13 Jun 2022 00:30:18
Chorlton, I'm not convinced he will get to the level required.

I just think of the four main fullbacks in our squad, it is Dalot who from the outside looking in looks to be the best fit for how EtH has set up Ajax (which you would assume is a similar way to which he will aim to play with United) .

As I see it we have one full back who has a decent chance of being able to play the way EtH will want. That is Dalot at RB, meaning that a LB is more important this summer than a RB.

13 Jun 2022 04:38:03
Shappy that’s a massive back track again from you, you never seize to amaze, if only you were a footballer!

I would sign RB very urgently, of course along with CB and holding midfielder first and build from there, I don’t see this 5-6 incomings into first team you all think is going to happen 3 for me and if real lucky 4. That’s it for this window.

13 Jun 2022 08:32:20
Duvin, how is this a back track from me?

13 Jun 2022 08:45:34
Duvin, RR himself said the side needs ten signings, if only you were a manager! ;)

13 Jun 2022 10:34:45
Duvin,

Who did you used to post as mate? Can’t put my finger on the writing style.

13 Jun 2022 10:40:15
Duvin the aim is to close the gap on city and liverpool not arsenal and spurs

And the club don't do thing urgently

The club know what players are needed, rr has told. them but they don't listen

I agree with you a rb cb cdm shpuld have been priority and we should already have had deals in place for these

We will spend all window chasing de jong and ten hag will be left to try and get more of out some of these pretender who have got 3 managers sacked.

13 Jun 2022 11:09:02
Shappy here is a post from a couple of months ago you wrote.
So maybe this is why he thinks it's a big turnaround from you AGAIN

I think Shaw has more potential to improve under a different manager than AWB.

He can be very effective when used the correct way and in a system that wouldn't expose his issues. While a good coach would be able to improve some of his tactical weaknesses.

AWB while would improve in his tactical awareness with a better coach, I doubt there is much that can be done with his technical ability. Especially as he turns 25 at the start of next season. His touch, passing and crossing are unlikely to drastically improve. Which is a shame, as he seems like a decent enough lad, or at least he keeps his head down.

Shappy.

13 Jun 2022 11:28:36
For me ken all 4 full backs need replacing, none have the awareness when defending and none seem to communicate

And they are all poor going forward i would rather see someone from the youth or williams brought back in, i really like williams.

13 Jun 2022 11:49:38
Bolger I agree mate but Williams is no better than the other 4.
Eth will improve players can he do it with our full backs I don't know only time will tell.
We can't buy a whole new team.
Players I'm hoping eth will improve significantly are
Shaw dalot ddg Bruno rashford dvdb sancho.
I don't hold out much hope for telles awb bailly Jones tuanzebe pereira Fred mctom.
Pellistrini amad garner are all still short of experience.

13 Jun 2022 12:12:50
Spenno you could have given RR 20 new signings and he still wouldn't have been able to make a team out of them.
Poor coach.

13 Jun 2022 12:39:13
Admittedly Ken I was completely underwhelmed by RR as a manager by the end but what can he do. They were walking all over him. Thought he came across much better than any other manager since Fergie off the pitch though and he told it like it was without all the spin and nonsense. Interestingly his three games for Austria have been pretty good with a good victory over Croatia and draw against France with a notably different style implemented within a few weeks.

13 Jun 2022 13:26:03
Ken, how is what I said months ago any different to what I'm saying now?

I said AWB has none of the skills EtH needs and has close to zero chance of improving to the required level.

Shaw I have said lacks tactical intelligence. I said he maybe could tuck into the back three in how EtH plays but I'm not convinced.

So I've said maybe Shaw could but I'm not convinced while AWB definitely isn't going to fit.

Ergo by bloody common sense and the ability to read what is written then obviously Shaw has a better chance than AWB.

If you want I can give you a rating system to make things clearer.

I'd say Dalot due to his technical ability and intelligence is the most likely of the four to be able to adapt to EtH's. Whether he can ultimately be good enough remains to be seen. I'd say he has a 6/ 10 chance of making it.

Shaw has the technical qualities to play under EtH, but he lacks tactical intelligence. Which in my opinion will hold him back. Making him less likely to adapt long term to EtH's system. I'd say he has a 4/ 10 chance of making.

Telles, has technical skills, but doesn't looks capable of playing more centrally either as part of a back three or in a midfield pivot. He's best in my opinion playing as a wing back and staying wide. I think he'd suit someone like Conte or Tuchel with a back three system. I'd say he has 2/ 10 chance of making it.

AWB doesn't seem to have either the technical skills or the tactical intelligence to play any role under EtH. At best a 1/ 10 chance of making it.

So there we go, hopefully that clears things up and will stop you misunderstanding what I am saying.

Personally I see LB as more important as I think Dalot is the most likely to be able to at least do a decent job as a full back in EtH's system.

While if we also sign Timber he has on numerous occasions covered RB so could do so again.

On the other hand I cannot see Telles being able to adapt at all. While I think the chances of Shaw adapting to be very low as well. There's a clear pattern with Shaw that the more technical and tactical the manager the more he struggles to fit in.

He played his best football when given very little instruction and allowed to do his own thing.

I think the only reason people think RB is more important is a numbers game. They think AWB is likely to leave in some capacity leaving us with one RB, while we have two LB's.

I see it slightly differently and think the only one who has a reasonable chance of playing well under EtH is Dalot meaning we actually have no one good enough at LB.

13 Jun 2022 13:44:59
Why do you think RR is a poor coach Ken?

13 Jun 2022 13:49:05
I personally think the manager will see Shaw as our best fullback and stick with him. Not defending him, and clearly not at the standard everyone is demanding, but this is a player who scored in the Euro final not so long ago.

{Ed077's Note - Eder scored the winning goal in the Euro finals once. Was he a good enough player because of that?

13 Jun 2022 15:24:01
Thank you Ken, I could rest my case there, but also would like to add I recall somewhere on here Shappy previously stating Shaw was one of the best left backs in the world, how come 6 months later he now not even good enough for us who finished 6th!
I’m guessing your having that World Cup in January moment again!

Scored a goal in euro finals that makes him good…. please! He not a bad full back, he needs to always be playing because his body type, but he seriously lacks football intelligence, I added the football bit to be nice!

I also have to agree with Ken About RR, I would take no notice of anything he said at all

GDS. I have not a Danny what you are talking about!

13 Jun 2022 16:07:15
Duval, you seem to have been afflicted by that condition that overcomes many on these pages, the delightful art of putting words in people's mouths. did I say Shaw was good, or that we don't need fullbacks? Nope, I said he wasn't the required standard.
Not everything you type has to be a war, we are all on the same side after all, aren't we?

13 Jun 2022 16:41:36
No you put because he scored a goal in Euros which as zero relevance by the way, but you made it sound as if that somehow makes him good enough, that’s how it come across, even Ed read it that way… that’s all I said directed at your statement not quite sure how that’s instigating a war, it’s a differing opinion, that’s what football is about, I’m not putting words in anyones mouth, just saying what I think.

13 Jun 2022 17:00:29
I think you should maybe be thinking a bit harder as you seem to be taking issue with pretty much everything.

13 Jun 2022 17:10:33
Duvin, you talk a big game but have nothing to back it up. Standing behind Ken's legs letting greater men fight your fights.

Ken brought forward a quote and I've explained that is doesn't say anything different to what I'm saying now.

If you're going to say someone said this or that then back that up, what did I say and when. Bring me the quotes. Otherwise you're just talking out of your posterior.

13 Jun 2022 17:48:41
I think Shappy just admitted that Ken is the greater man ;)

13 Jun 2022 18:21:06
Think Shappy’s earlier post nailed it in that our first choice fullbacks aren’t good enough / adaptable enough to play for ETH. Telles is woeful. Shaw / AWB aren’t good enough to be a Top 4 regular starter based on last season. We’d be better scratching existing fullbacks and bidding for LB and RB. Whilst Chelsea would demand a kings ransom for him I’d be keen for United to watch Reece James’ contract negotiations. Apparently on ‘only’ £70k pw. If there’s one thing we have shown we CAN do it’s throw silly money wage offers at players!

13 Jun 2022 19:07:57
We lost his sister to Chelsea last year.

Really good player, Real are sniffing around him though, I would expect Chelsea to tie him up very quickly. Think him and Mount are due new deals.

13 Jun 2022 16:03:42
As did John Jensen Ed.





 

 

 
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