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17 Aug 2022 17:42:23
Looks like the Glazer's chequebook for new signings is permanently closed. Loan only deals now.

£50m net spend tells us all we need to know. Everything else is just a smokescreen.

At least the parasites may finally be going though!

Whoever buys us next we can only hope they put their own money in.

Halesini

1.) 17 Aug 2022 18:00:44
Nothing wrong with loan deals if you are looking for a short term fix because long term/ ideal targets are not available. sometimes also good to see if the player fits and option to turn many into longer term deal.

I would not read too much into all the press stuff as a lot of it is not accurate or even true. ATM every 2 hours we have a new target that we are buying.


2.) 17 Aug 2022 20:03:11
We’ve agreed a £72m fee for FDJ though so what you’re suggesting about having no money is nonsense.


3.) 17 Aug 2022 20:39:12
Gds just us looking like we're trying to make big money signings. The reality is we were looking to sell garner to afford rabiot.


4.) 17 Aug 2022 20:39:58
The Glazers have never opened THEIR chequebook once just for reference ??.


5.) 17 Aug 2022 21:17:58
dannyc

ed002 said garner is pushing for a move as the club does not have a long term plan for him. Nothing wrong with selling players if they are not going to get to play and want to move to advance their careers, happens all the time. it does not mean we are skinned as some like to suggest.


 

 

24 Jul 2022 13:01:06
Brandon Williams to Brighton for £15m?
I really like Brandon and prefer him to stay, especially as could cover both fullback spots. However seemingly not in Ten Hag's plans.

I suspect we are still looking to move Wan-Bissika on too so expect we will be looking for a RB.

Halesini

1.) 24 Jul 2022 14:43:33
The lad himself said he doesn't want to stay unless he's fighting for a first team spot. He's a decent player who'll have a career in the premier league I would hope.

He wants to play first team football so best to get a decent fee for him and wish him the best.


2.) 24 Jul 2022 15:14:25
Take the 15 million

I do like Williams but the more I think about it along with dalot telles and awb they ain’t good enough

Ideally it’s going to be malacia and shaw for left back

I would get a rb in and if I had to keep anyone it would be dalot.


3.) 24 Jul 2022 15:44:27
Would be a fair deal for a player that is third choice in two positions here.


4.) 24 Jul 2022 16:21:45
£15m for what if the tour is any indication is our fourth choice LB (1. Shaw, 2. Malacia, 3. Telles) and fourth choice RB (1. Dalot, 2. AWB, 3. Laird) mean we should snap Brighton’s hand off.

Put that £15m towards Ajax’s valuation of Antony and voila!


5.) 24 Jul 2022 16:26:26
£15m? I'd bite their hand off for £5.
We have two decent leftbacks, excluding Telles who is still lingering plus Martinez can shift across.
Rightback again we have two and are constantly being linked to others, plus there are youths.
If Williams expects to challenge amongst that lot he's best elsewhere.


6.) 24 Jul 2022 17:51:27
We should sell or loan AWB. just not good enough with the ball. Sell Williams as he is 3rd choice in both positions and get Dumfries from Inter. We would then have 2 full backs challenging each other at both left and right with a couple of the youngsters below them.
I think the way EtH wants to play we will need good rotation.


7.) 24 Jul 2022 18:40:51
Williams needs to go for the good of his career. He finds himself behind Shaw, Malacia, and Telles currently at LB. While Alvaro Fernandez must surely be breathing down his neck to leapfrog him as well.

He seems like a good kid with his head screwed on. I wish him luck at his next club. Brighton could be a really good move, working with an excellent coach in Graham Potter.

While 15m back in the club coffers isn't to be sneezed at for a player so far down the pecking order.


8.) 24 Jul 2022 21:35:18
Williams is naturally a rb tho

Give him a go in place of awb and get rid of awb and telles.


9.) 24 Jul 2022 22:42:18
For £15m and guaranteed football in a team playing some nice football under Potter I suspect Brandon definitely goes. As Bolger says though he's a right back originally though and, with a new manager on-board, if I were him I'd be wanting to stay for another season and see what opportunities may break. He has youth on his side after all. We look to be trying to offload AWB and the upcoming Fernandez is being loaned to Preston. Surely Ten Hag has took one look at Telles and thought WFT? So could be in a position where we have Malacia / Shaw for LB and Dalot / Williams for RB if the cards fell his way. I suspect we will look to offload AWB, Williams and Telles though and use that money to go for a first teamer RB with Dalot as the cover player.


10.) 24 Jul 2022 23:34:47
I see the only time Telles featured in the four friendlies was coming on at HT usually with Malacia, but playing in midfield instead. Hopefully not a sign of things to come! AWB barely featured. Dalot is looking like first choice for now. I can see any fullback in a ten Hag system grabbing a sackful of assists.


11.) 25 Jul 2022 08:21:12
He is definitely looking for the move anyway shappy. He needs it too. Best of luck to him, will be a decent addition elsewhere. I'd put a buy back clause in him though.


12.) 25 Jul 2022 08:54:36
Bolger, is he a natural RB anymore?

Sure he's right footed, but 59 of his 62 senior appearances for Manchester United and Norwich City have come at LB with only 3 at RB.

You'd have thought if he had shown himself a quality RB in training or in the the three games he has played at RB then he'd have been given more games as a RB.

He may have started out in the academy as a RB, but he was switched to LB two years before his senior debut.

Many players play a different position in youth football than they end up playing as a professional. Rio Ferdinand started out as a striker before dropping back into defence via a few years in midfield along the way.

Phil Neville played RB for a couple of years before becoming a LB. He then played the majority of his senior career at LB despite being right footed. Although he did have a few spells at both RB and CDM.

AWB played as a winger until his final year in the Crystal Palace academy before breaking into the first team at RB.

I think Brandon is probably a LB now, it's the role he has been playing since he was 16 years old (5 years now) .

I can't see why EtH would give him ago at RB ahead of Ethan Laird who was so good at RB in the academy that he was the reason why Williams was moved to LB in the first place.

RB spot is up for grabs. I expect the club will try and look for a solution for AWB away from the club. Ideally a permanent move, but it may be a loan with a compulsory purchase option or something like that.

If AWB leaves then we will probably look to bring someone in, depending on who that is they will either be first choice or someone with potential to challenge Dalot for the first choice spot. If we can't bring someone in then it'll be Laird who'll play understudy to Dalot.

I actually think Dalot is one of the players who could do very well under EtH and could be one of the suprise players who flourishes under him. He has all the skills needed, he just needs them bringing out of him consistently. Good coaching might do that, along with a consistent run in the team.


13.) 25 Jul 2022 09:17:08
I know it's not easy to play for a team which is being relegated but Brandon didn't play great for Norwich. Too often he was caught out of position. If the coaches believe he might one day be good enough (I don't think he will) then why not sell him with a buy back clause.

With regard to the other full backs in the squad I would hope that ETH is a really good coach and perhaps can teach them to become better players. Pep and Klopp seem to do this with their players.

Every time a manager goes to a new club he has to buy loads more players. It would be nice if for once a manager came in and said "I am happy with this squad and believe I can make them into winners" and then do just that.


14.) 25 Jul 2022 10:52:28
I’m with Halesini on this one.

The chance to play every week in a good side with a quality coach in a nice part of the world. Good luck to him. Great move for all - the player and both clubs. He’s a decent player and with regular football and good coaching he’s got a chance.


15.) 25 Jul 2022 12:50:55
Bite their arm off 15m its about 14m over his true value.
Get it done and don't look back.


16.) 25 Jul 2022 13:42:17
Agreed Ken. This is the sort of deal Utd need to get better at rather than collecting surplus players who will never get a game.


17.) 25 Jul 2022 16:00:10
MancMan, that is the sort of fee you can get for decent squad players who have come through the academy and and aren't on silly money.

The biggest reason for us struggling to get a decent fee for players when we sell them is because of their wages.

While they are often also players we have bought who haven't worked out as well as we hoped.

So to a buying club they see a player on high wages who couldn't make it at a top club.

Why would you want to buy a player like that?

Whereas someone like Williams is a young player with potential, whose wages aren't disproportionate to their ability, with the added bonus of having developed at a top club with a high level of experience.

There will be more clubs prepared to pay 15m for Williams than there would be for Telles.


18.) 25 Jul 2022 16:32:11
I think it would be the smart choice, moving to Brighton. Potter is a very good manager and will help to develop him. I'm not sure there could be a better move for him.


19.) 25 Jul 2022 16:38:17
It's a good point Shappy and you are right but there are plenty of others like Williams who are good youngsters but when it comes down to it are never going to make it at Man Utd or any other TOP club.

For example; Chong, Shoretire, Elanga, Tuanzebe.

Utd need to spot these nearly players earlier and get some cash back for them. They also need to stop shelling out £35 million on long shots like Diallo.

BTW, Williams is on £65k a week, not exactly cheap wages.


20.) 25 Jul 2022 21:03:33
Whoever decided to offer Brandon Williams 65k a week needs sacking and forbidden from working in football ever again (polite version ??)

We’ve made bang average players into multi millionaires, it’s absolutely ridiculous.

I don’t need to write an essay and a load of Google pasted stats to know we should snatch their hand off.


21.) 26 Jul 2022 10:30:38
MancMan

I would love to know what makes you think Shoretire won't make it.

Regarded as one of the biggest talents in the Academy and if he were to leave tomorrow would have no shortage of suitors.


 

 

13 Jul 2022 14:22:06
Martinez deal completed. I'm still thinking this is as left sided CB but remains to be seen if played at DM. Maguire named captain so the right sided CB looks fixed. I know many of you love that lol.

I see Maguire - Martinez as the main CB pairing with Varane - Lindelof back up or in certain games. We will hopefully have 60 games next season so still plenty of game time for 4 main CBs.

I think we will see an improvement from all players next season. Though wouldn't take too much to do that would it!

Looks like Malacia, Martinez, Eriksen and De Jong is all we will sign. Improvement in defence and midfield from where we were. Rome wasn't built in a day and I don't think there were ever sufficient funds to replace Ronaldo this summer. Looks like he stays though suspect by default rather than 'for the love of the club'.

I wonder if anyone would love any of us just that little bit more if they paid us £480k a week?

Sorry forgot the No Champions League Tax so it is reduced to a bargain basement £360k a week!

Halesini

1.) 13 Jul 2022 14:58:56
His ball playing ability is simply majestic and perfectly suits ETH's possession oriented style.
There are question marks about his physicality but quite sure Ten Hag will have plans for it.

Player of the year and covers multiple positions - CB, LB and CDM.
Will surely be a useful cog in the team.


2.) 13 Jul 2022 15:12:40
And who's to say Bailley might not have climbed a rung or two based on yesterday. Just one crappy preseason game sure, but if he can get on top of his fitness he could easily be starting ahead of a few of them.


3.) 13 Jul 2022 15:31:41
Lol. You still think we’re going to sign De Jong? At this point I’m starting to doubt whether we’ll even get Eriksen over the line.


4.) 13 Jul 2022 15:32:48
Club captain doesn’t need to be a nailed on starter. You can have club captain and match captain.


5.) 13 Jul 2022 15:33:19
Spenno, there is absolutely no doubt, despite what anyone thinks about Bailey, he was not afforded the same amount of mistakes as others, whilst still keeping his place. Made one against City at home and not seen again. this was after a decent midweek display away against Atalanta, where as Maguire and Shaw could make as many as they liked and retain there place!


6.) 13 Jul 2022 16:16:29
Bailly has not shown the discipline required but he does have the athleticism. If good coaching can improve him, and he can remain uninjured, there is no reason why he should not fulfill some of his early promise.


7.) 13 Jul 2022 16:30:22
The Bailey fans are back out are they! One good 45 minutes and people forget how unreliable he is, how erratic he is and another social media sly clown airing his dirty laundry on Twitter!
Get rid.


8.) 13 Jul 2022 16:51:10
If Maguire is at right sided CB, that position is definitely not fixed. He was hopeless last season and if he improves to play at his best level he's still average at best.


9.) 13 Jul 2022 18:14:49
Varane is still by a long way the best centre half at the club. We need to keep him fit, that will probably mean his work load in training needs altered potentially or whatever.


10.) 13 Jul 2022 19:10:52
Chris, perusing your most recent posts you don’t seem to have much good to say about any player! Let’s see how things pan out, you can’t sell the entire squad.


11.) 13 Jul 2022 19:55:00
Chris1 when did i say i was a Bailey fan? Just mentioning he got less room for error last season than others. Same for Phil Jones. that doesn't mean i want either of them at centre back next season does it!


12.) 13 Jul 2022 20:57:49
I haven’t got much positive to say about many players no, have you been living in a cave for 18 months?
Why should we! Bailey has had umpteen fresh starts and has been a let down every time, the sooner we did the club of chancers like him and many others the better! I feel their are a good group of players that ETH can work with and improve definitely and I’m excited we finally have a top manager in, however I won’t be fooled by pre season cameos by players who are not up to the required standard!


13.) 13 Jul 2022 21:05:49
Fair points Chris. We coukd make a case to remove almost most all of them, however that is not possible, so we have to keep some and make the most of it.


14.) 14 Jul 2022 01:39:42
Granted Varane didn’t have a great or even good first season, but to be relegated to a bench option, I’d I was him I’d want to be leaving ASAP.


15.) 14 Jul 2022 07:37:05
Who is going to want to pay the wages he is on for an injury prone CB who needed Ramos to tell him were to stand and what to look out for?


16.) 14 Jul 2022 08:34:07
Not sure where we get all these transfer for X is completed stories that keep coming up.

All I ever see is Simon Stone updating most days that a transfer is 'closer' or that we are in 'advanced talks' normally followed a few days later by a story explaining why we haven't actually bought a player yet.


17.) 14 Jul 2022 09:47:30
Nothing completed yet, I am reading this morning that we we are still out by a couple of million with what Ajax want for him.


18.) 14 Jul 2022 10:02:46
I'd disregard the notion of Maguire being club captain as meaning that he's a nailed on starter. Varane will definitely start if fit. Also not clear at all that Martinez will play at CB. He may be looked on as a CDM. The way Ten Hag team's play there is always a CDM or full back that slots into CB when the team is attacking to maintain the lines.


 

 

10 Jul 2022 21:30:19
David Ornstein suggesting Kyle Walker-Peters may be of interest to United if looking to strengthen at right-back. £20m estimated value per Transfermarkt. Everton interested too.

Halesini

1.) 10 Jul 2022 22:03:54
Would much prefer Tino Livramento if we are signing a Southampton RB.


2.) 10 Jul 2022 22:30:05
Shappy i agree livermento has far more potential for me plus he's abit taller!


3.) 10 Jul 2022 23:15:18
Livramento has just done his ACL hasn’t he?


4.) 11 Jul 2022 00:33:17
Yes, and isn't expected back until 2023.


5.) 11 Jul 2022 00:47:30
Would rather see Ethan laird than was pending on KWP.


6.) 11 Jul 2022 02:35:18
If we are going for a RB I can't see past Dumfries who has been mentioned previously.


7.) 11 Jul 2022 03:25:32
+1 Dumfries

Walker Peters no better than what we have. Livramento as mentioned, did his ACL against Brighton, unlikely to be the same player.


8.) 11 Jul 2022 09:50:30
Good point FiremanC, Keane, Van Nistelrooy, Shearer, Xavi and Ibrahimovic all struggled with their careers after they done their ACL!


9.) 11 Jul 2022 10:52:34
To be honest I'd forgotten about his injury. No reason in the modern era for a player not to be able to come back just as good and strong as before with modern medical practices.

That said, you can't sign a player who will continue to be injured for the next 6 months. I'd imagine no one would look to sign him before next summer at the earliest to see how he comes back. While it's more likely a move in the summer of 2024 after he's had 18 months back.

However, on to the points about KWP, can we really see Southampton selling him while Livramento is still out injured? I doubt it.


10.) 11 Jul 2022 17:17:02
They are keen on Brandon Williams possible we could see 1 go either way from each club.
Williams is right footed so can easily cover both sides.
I would like to see if laird can force his way in he was always a youth I hoped could make it to the 1st team.
He had done well in his loans albeit at lower levels. As back up to dalot he may be good enough maybe he will impress pre season.


11.) 11 Jul 2022 19:16:04
Ports, it is a good point yeah, because the lad is only 19 and all the players you mentioned were established pro’s at a decent age. Sometimes youngsters can find it difficult to get back and establish that elite level after major injuries.


12.) 12 Jul 2022 08:53:00
Lots of examples of that fireman.
Couple of examples at united even.


13.) 12 Jul 2022 12:12:04
FiremanC, it's always difficult to tell whether it was an injury with a young player that disrupted their development or whether it was something else entirely.

Just as many young players show great promise as youngsters breaking into a team who then for one reason or another never fulfil their potential.

Some probably get a bit too much too young and it goes to their heads, some have the talent but not the mentality to make it to the top, some are over hyped and were never going to be able to live up to the expectations of them, while some also pick up bad injuries at key moments in their development.

So it's not quite as simple as blaming an injury for why a young talent doesn't reach their perceived potential.


14.) 12 Jul 2022 20:45:20
Ok Shappy, as always you know best mate.


15.) 13 Jul 2022 10:25:31
FiremanC, just common sense really. Was it injury that stopped Januzaj becoming a top player? Or Ravel Morrison?

Not all young talented players fulfill their potential for a wide variety of reasons.

While on the other hand with modern medicine there are very few injuries that a player cannot fully recover from and return to their previous physical capabilities.

ACL injuries are no longer the career ending injury they used to be. In fact many players are back fully training with the squad within 6-8 months.

Whether a player ever fully recovers mentally is a different question. Do they fully trust the joint afterwards, or are they scared to take a knock again. But that relates more to mental resilience rather than physically being able to heal.

Young players can have their careers derailed by injury, although for me that's more often the case when they repeatedly miss long periods of playing time due to injury. Missing out on developing and growing as a player.

We saw this with Will Keane, who just couldn't stay fit for 4 games in a row and as such only played a dozen or so games over a 3 year period.


 

 

04 Jul 2022 12:33:19
Ronaldo. I can hear the sighs from the Eds already so apologies in advance!

Realistically where do we see him going? No room at the inn striker-wise at City, Liverpool or Tottenham. Chelsea an obvious option but do we see him playing for another Prem team?

Bayern - can't see them paying his wages. He won't be going for less than his £500k a week and no doubt will want a 2 yr deal. Plus any transfer fee to United though that may be only £10m perhaps. But £60m in total for a 37/ 38yo?

Napoli - apparently interested but a step down? Any realistic chance of winning something?

Juventus - won't see him in their shirt again.

Milan clubs - affordability?

Barca - possibility if they can't land Lewandowski? But if they can't afford wages for Messi then Ronaldo in same bracket

PSG - again well stocked and surely would only go there if either of Mbappe (not happening), Messi or Neymar moved on.

Newcastle - no Champs League obviously and again a step down.

He's already turned down a move to US apparently.

We could have a nightmare scenario where Ronaldo wants to leave but doesn't, doesn't get as much game time as doesn't suit Ten Hag press, still costing us £25m in wages next year and blocks a new recruit.

Joy!

Halesini

1.) 04 Jul 2022 13:15:45
Said something similar the other day. I don't see anywhere he is an obvious fit. He will want to play for a side in the CL who are also competing in their league. They also have to afford the enormous wages. It's too much of a commitment for an almost 38 year old, as incredible as he is.

I reckon there's a bit of a stand off for the next week or so, there's a realisation that the sides he'd want to go to aren't interested and in the mean time United sign Malacia, Eriksen and get De Jong over the line while continuing to discuss Martinez. Ronaldo then backs the manager after having talks with Ten Hag.

Then since I'm guessing, he scores 50 and we win the league and Europa, he then goes off to Miami for the last 2 years of his career.


2.) 04 Jul 2022 13:16:03
Mendes will come up with something.

If he doesn’t want to remain and roll the sleeves up, then head on. I get the club is a shambles or whatever he may think, but thanks for the return. Thanks for the memories and on you go.


3.) 04 Jul 2022 13:42:43
If he goes anywhere my guess would be Munich.


4.) 04 Jul 2022 15:00:17
If he wants to go, then he can but not Chelsea for sure. But i really don't want us to go into next season with Rashford and Martial as our first choice strikers.


5.) 04 Jul 2022 15:16:42
worst nightmare, Ronaldo tries to engineer a move but nobody wants him, goes round throwing his toys out of the pram for the season and every week is the Ronaldo story.


6.) 04 Jul 2022 16:51:43
Let Chelsea have him. He just might hold them back enough to let us sneak 4th place!

{Ed014's Note - hold them back ??


7.) 04 Jul 2022 17:20:34
Dead serious Ed. It's amazing what a lack of movement can over inflated ego can do for a team!

{Ed014's Note - so you seriously think his goals won’t help them more than the other immobile lump that’s just gone out on loan.

Good luck with that thought!


8.) 04 Jul 2022 17:39:03
Goodness no Ed, nobody's even considering Lukaku here! Lol I actually think Ronaldo would hinder their overall game compared to when they play Havertz up there.

{Ed014's Note - I mean he will be replacing the lump that was Lukaku but adding goals to Chelsea’s game. Not Lukaku to you.

How would he hinder a team without a goal scorer and the talent you’re lacking all around him?


9.) 04 Jul 2022 18:24:28
It's a team game. He doesn't contribute enough to the build up, or work off the ball. There's not much coming short, even less running in behind or down the channels. And if your a high press team which I believe Chelsea would like to be, forget it. Saying that yes, obviously he will be there in the box to score a good few tap ins and headers.


10.) 04 Jul 2022 18:28:14
Without Ronaldo and De Gea, Man U would not have finished in the top 10.


11.) 04 Jul 2022 18:41:34
Yes Davy if you want to work it out using just a calculator it's that simple.


12.) 04 Jul 2022 19:52:20
But they did play for United. wired, like saying if Salah and van dyke didn't play for pool they wouldn't have finished second. but they did. That's why United pay money do play them.


13.) 04 Jul 2022 18:22:28
Ed I’d be really shocked if tuchel sanctions it. No doubt he will score goals there if it happens.

{Ed014's Note - I’d be amazed too mate


14.) 04 Jul 2022 21:52:15
Setting aside money. A romantic return to Sporting? A better chance of domestic silverware plus CL football.


15.) 05 Jul 2022 22:07:12
Ronaldo has said he will finish his playing career at Sporting, if only for one season. It is not the worst suggestion. Whilst his star is only going to decline from now on I suspect he will want another 2 years at a 'top champions league' club before his farewell season in Lisbon.


 

 

 

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26 Jul 2022 02:18:30
Williams, Bailly and Pereira sold for about £35m is good business. Some serious wages being chalked off the books with jettisoning Pogba, Matic, Lingard, Mata.

Has ye olde battleship United finally turned?

Let's hope so. I know we all get excited every new season and the majority of the last decade hasn't worked out. But have to be excited for Ten Hag's reign.

Can't wait to be 'home' on 7th Aug :)

Halesini

1.) 26 Jul 2022 06:10:08
We got really good money for Pereira. The guy has all the qualities yet doesn't perform. I'll be interested to see how he plays at Fulham and if he's a success somewhat.

Brandon for 15m, no brainer really 3rd/ 4th choice in both full back positions. Should cash in. Wouldn't be against a buyback 30m clause if he becomes a late bloomer.

I'm in 2 minds about Bailly though, 10m is rather cheap for him. I wouldn't sell him but we have to sell a few players and if Bailly is attracting interest we should look to sanction this. He did play well in the pre-season. 10m seems rather low for him, we should push a bit more.


2.) 26 Jul 2022 07:36:32
Good deals IF all go through and IF that money is immediately put towards closing the gap between our last offer for Antony and Ajax’s valuation of the player.


3.) 26 Jul 2022 08:07:40
Not seen anything about Bailley leaving? Italy I assume?


4.) 26 Jul 2022 08:11:47
Rohanarora, To be honest I think around 10m for Bailly is about right.

For most teams around Europe that aren't regularly winning their league and playing UCL football every season (effectively any side that isn't one of the top 2-3 sides in their league) his 80k per week wages would make him one of those clubs top earners.

For those clubs if you sign a player who will be one of your top earners they have to be worth it.

Eric Bailly has made 188 club appearances in his career by the age of 28.

To put that into perspective Jesse Lingard who has been a near constant squad player and didn't make his professional debut until he was 22 has 358 senior appearances, close to twice as many games a Bailly, and is only 6 months older than him.

Or Bailly has made 70 EPL appearances for United, while Mason Greenwood has made 83.

The issue with Bailly is his injury record is absolutely appalling, the guy is made of glass and not normal glass but sugar glass. Glass that cracks if you just look at it funny.

Signing a 28 year old Bailly is a guarantee that for at least 60% of the time you will be paying him a huge wage to just keep your medical team busy.

No one will pay a large fee for a player like that.


5.) 26 Jul 2022 09:10:33
shappy Bailly is 20 months younger than him and has been a professional player 3 years less than Lingard who has signed for 7 teams

Bailly has played for 3 teams ( 4 if you count the B team ) and in 6 of his 8 years as being professional he has played for united as a back up player.

if he wasn't at united he would have played a lot more games than Lingard in 3 years less.

agree with Bailly is like glass he has missed 99 games through injury for united, his longest bout was when he had his knee op.

lingard has missed 50 games through injury.

if fit he's worth more than 10 million he's about to come into his prime years but i agree 10 million is about right.

think we will see sales start to move now with pre season ending next week.


6.) 26 Jul 2022 10:03:29
When you say Bailly had a good pre season he played well in the Liverpool game and then defensively he was dreadful against Melbourne, giving them 2 chances with awful passes that we got away with. He then brought it out of defence and set up a goal and everyone said how amazing he was. People hate Maguire so are desperate for someone to be better than him. Bailly can’t stay fit and has never learnt to cut out the big mistake he makes in every game. £10m and I’ll drive him there myself.


7.) 26 Jul 2022 11:00:24
Bailly is truly shocking. The quicker he is sold the better. Apart from his horrendous injury record, his rash decision making is legendary. I’d rather keepTuanzebe as back up than Bailly.


 

 

24 Jul 2022 13:20:00
Van de Beek's future looks uncertain at best. Doesn't look to have the physicality for the prem yet Bernardo Silva ain't exactly Schwarzenegger and he's been a star. New manager coming in could well rejuvenate him but signing Eriksen suggests he's just a squad player. Potential for a VDB + cash deal for Antony given our valuation is still way off Ajax's?

Halesini

1.) 24 Jul 2022 14:48:08
VDB was pretty anonymous in the game yesterday. I think he'll get a chance this season but he has to take them. He has seemed out of his debt at times but he's also on a different wave length to the midfielders he's plays with. Fred takes 3 or 4 touches to settle and his passing is atrocious. McTominay takes 56 mini steps before he passes. Not exactly the Ajax way.

If he can't preform under Ten Hag then he only has himself to blame.


2.) 24 Jul 2022 14:54:52
I read on here too often in the case of Donny people have a pop at Fred and mctominay as a way of deflecting some blame from Donny! After listening to game yesterday and since watching extended highlights he was anonymous, nothing to do with anyone else, he is playing central midfield and barely does anything!
Fred and mctominay have got enough problems they shouldn’t be blamed for Donny too ?.


3.) 24 Jul 2022 15:17:13
Donny does need to show more ambition when playing, looking for a productive pass instead of the easy sideways ball. He can still shine even with useless players next to him. I do think it would be interesting to see him in a fully functioning midfield, but i also believe he should work hard for it to become that.
Question is do you wait for the midfield to be functioning and even then he might not sort himself out or do you say sort yourself out with the players around you or find a new club?


4.) 24 Jul 2022 15:17:38
Fred is a much better player than people give him credit for. Donny has been nowhere near deserving of a place ahead of him.

This 3 or 4 touches nonsense is not at all how he plays. His issue is that he has a bad pass in him, sometimes 2 or 3 times in a game and in key situations. But take those clangers out and his general play is very good both with and without the ball.

He seems to have become a pantomime villain on here, but I love watching him play. He has been involved in a lot of our better play this past 18 months.


5.) 24 Jul 2022 15:22:49
Spot on Chris. Fred seems to get criticised even when DVB plays utter rubbish.
Yesterday, three players were absolutely useless. Ddg, Shaw snd dvb, yet Fred seems to be first on some posters for criticism.


6.) 24 Jul 2022 15:28:20
Have to agree with Chris. You can't blame McFred for the fact that Donny has not shown himself to be capable of playing a half way decent game of football in the EPL either for United or Everton.

In fact it's a testament to Donny's failure to impress that the McFred partnership continues to be played. Maybe EtH can bring out some qualities that have not yet revealed themselves, but my guess is that another loan or sale would not be resisted by manager or club.

A return to Holland would probably be a good outcome both for Donny and United.


7.) 24 Jul 2022 15:37:50
Fred is rubbish?.


8.) 24 Jul 2022 16:02:50
I brought it up because if Donny is zipping the ball into either of those and expecting it back, he's going to be disappointed.

Fred wouldn't get a game for any team in the top 10 in this league, either would McTominay. We were consistently outplayed in midfield everywhere we went because our options there are horrendous.

I don't rate Donny that highly and wouldn't mind him moving on one bit but the football we play doesn't/ didn't play to his strengths at all.


9.) 24 Jul 2022 16:18:30
In many instances in games last season Fred received the ball then hung on to it, he got pressured by a couple of opposition and he lost possession. He was so frustrating to watch due to his inconsistency.

There’s a decent player there with Donny, maybe he lacks confidence at the moment but I really hope ETH can get him playing well.


10.) 24 Jul 2022 16:37:14
Reluctantly Donny doesn't seem suited to the Prem. I really wanted it to work as there was a great player in there, overshadowed in the end by the bigger names of de Ligt and de Jong who got their big moves. In the end he was a 'gift' from the board to Ole who probably didn't ask for him.
Poor old Fred gets dragged into every discussion on here. I think even a debate about the canteen menu would end up being a Fred slanging match.
I don't think either have impressed at Utd although there were plenty of games last season when Fred was our best player. The general consensus is that this was because everyone else was so bad. Maybe that's a disservice to Fred. He has played in a different position for Brazil and his previous club and been pigeon-holed by us into. whatever he is now.
Long story short, I don't see either being sold right now with a lot of other things to address. I think/ hope both will improve this season.


 

 

21 Jul 2022 19:09:12
Regardless who we sign we have at last finally shifted some of our deadwood:

Pogba - world class talent but average at best in a United shirt. Reportedly on half the money at Juve that United offered him. Real / Barcelona / PSG not interested in him. Disappointed we couldn't have sold him when clear he'd see out his contract. Would've snapped someone's hand off if they'd bid over £20m.

Lingard - why he came back from West Ham I'll never know. Surely there was a deal to be done there too. Another £10m down the drain?

Matic - a likeable old pro whose legs have clearly gone. Goes with my blessing unlike the above two who thought they were bigger than the club IMO.

Mata - the nicest guy in football and would prefer him to stay on perhaps in any coaching capacity but never going to get game time. Was one of the premier league's best 10s when we signed him and successive managers wasted his talents for me : (

Pereira - £10m was a nice unexpected bonus for someone who was never even squad level player.

Still further axe-wielding to be done but at least we have made a start. Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe all surplus to requirements too and surely destined for a team who'll take players made of glass?

I suspect given our relative high wages we will be stuck with those 3 or have to part pay their wages at least. Ten Hag apparently wants a smaller squad to work with so other than De Jong I don't see anyone else coming in. If that falls through I think Ten Hag would look to see if he could mould someone into a role he sees pivotal.

Even if Ronaldo goes I don't see him being replaced. Perhaps Sulky chops Martial will finally give his Ballon d'Or clause a run for its money? I'd be eating my hat if so as many others would!

Halesini

1.) 21 Jul 2022 19:59:18
The players you've listed and the ones that are probably available are not the players teams are rushing to buy. I suspect it will be later on in the window when we see Bailey, Tuanzebe, Telles etc leave.

I wouldn't be worrying about the ones that left.


2.) 21 Jul 2022 20:24:51
Crazy thing is none of those listed that have left really offered anything last year so lots of salary space saved without any hit to first team.


3.) 21 Jul 2022 21:28:50
Not against letting Bailly stay and let him leave on free next year.
His pre-season has been pretty good and has been out best defender in pre-season.


4.) 22 Jul 2022 07:25:33
Why would you let him leave on a free next year?


5.) 22 Jul 2022 08:38:17
Sorry Rohan, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If he’s played well in pre season then surely that puts him in the shop window so as we can recoup some money for him.

{Ed014's Note - defo, a tenner is better than nothing


6.) 22 Jul 2022 08:43:59
Pogba and Lingard leaving I think is going to have a real positive impact on the squad and that alone I think will increase performance and attitude of other players. 2 big characters and influences but not professional for an elite club IMO.

I have made my feelings very clear on Martial, however he has started well in pre season, scored goals, working hard, looks happy and if we can create a positive and professional environment and players respond to it then maybe the likes of Martial can start to show their talent and I’d be delighted to hold my hands up and acknowledge him.


7.) 22 Jul 2022 08:47:20
I think we should keep Bailly this season and pay him his 4m wages to keep the club doctors and physios busy. I'd hate think that the medical staff are getting paid for do nothing this season.


8.) 22 Jul 2022 09:12:41
Agree ports. Nobody been more vocal on martial than me over the years. Imo the guy had been a disgrace.
Bit I have to be honest as a player or person there is no way in this world I could have played for responded to or be motivated by ole wall and RR.
Nobody could work for or indeed did work for either of them.
Therefore everybody gets a new slate.
This 2 dopes are 2 of the worst managers in the clubs history and no player excelled under them.
Most deteriorated under them.
Pogba got worse
Awb went from good prospect to poor.
Lindelof got worse
Maguire looks worse then when at Leicester.
Bruno got worse the longer he was here.
Sancho never got started under them.
Martial likewise
Fred would be rubbish under fergie he doesn't count.
Shaw is more up and down than a yo yo
Rashford got worse the longer they were there.


9.) 22 Jul 2022 09:26:28
Can't argue with much of that Ken. Aside from Fred, I'm off the keep camp. I don't think there's been a more divisive player at the club for yonks! At this point I don't even know if he can play or not, or if having a good engine is enough. Still not even sure what his position is - we play him differently to his national team and previous club. Even RR said he was one of several players who had been pigeon-holed into the defensive midfield role when he shouldn't be, yet played him there himself. He is an enigma!


10.) 22 Jul 2022 09:44:40
I thought Bailly's contract was up in 2023 that's why I mentioned for free. But he has a contract till 2024 with 1 year extension option.

As per transfermarket he had 1 injury last year and that wasn't long.
You have to take it as a fact that Bailly run across the pool midfield which was their best midfield to create a big chance of which we scored. He had Telles as his fellow CB who can't defend for his life.

You can only judge them whenever they play and he has played really well whenever he's being played.
Do you think Lindelof has performed better than Bailly?

With the huge amount of games we'd have Martinez, Maguire and Lindelof I assume would be available for most of the season. Varane is an injury waiting to happen and Bailly is somewhat similar to Varane as per history. Jones will move to MLS to live the easy life and Tuanzebe wasn't included in the tour so looks like he is off too.
5 CB going in such a difficult season with question marks over Varane and Martinez will need time to settle in seems smart to me.
Unlike Ole and Ralf, if ETH rotates and plays Bailly for a few games I think the dressing room problem of Bailly doesn't start ahead of Lindelof or Maguire sentiment will go away.
Let's be fair Maguire was pants last season and he could make 3 mistakes in a game and not be dropped and Bailly makes one and he doesn't start ever again.


11.) 22 Jul 2022 11:17:55
Fred is my favourite player.


12.) 22 Jul 2022 12:46:14
Ken, Fred is a Brazil International who starts for them, yet, you seem to think he's a Subday league player. He's been played in a defensive roll by our previous managers and he clearly isn't a defensive midfielder, just like Ddg isn't a centre forward!
I think the problem is not Fred but mctominay, and yet, he seems to escape your critical eyes.
I hope and know Fred will do well under ETH, but even when he performs well (and he was arguably our best player last year), you'll still criticise him.


13.) 22 Jul 2022 12:36:05
AJH, at first I thought Fred was George Weah's brother he was soooooo bad.

Now, I like his industry and application but not convinced about his technical ability.

But if ETH can get a good tune out of him then I'll hold my hands high and claim ETH as the messiah.


14.) 22 Jul 2022 14:00:50
Aaa is rashford an intl
Is martial
Is mctom?
But to your critical eye they are all rubbish.
Fred imo is a very poor player for epl level midfield.
If he plays well and makes a positive contribution I won't be on his back same as another player I don't like in martial.
Fred has a good attitude but can't pass the ball well imo.


15.) 22 Jul 2022 19:09:03
I appreciate there is a fair bit of 'everyone was crap under Ole' in the above but just a gentle reminder we did finish 2nd in the league under him. Or does finishing 2nd not count as any sort of achievement unless you're called Liverpool these days?

Of course I appreciate Ole was never a top level premier league manager and shouldn't have been given interim job etc. I think a lot of players many of us have written off though may well come good now we have a manager who is potentially world class. Have stated previously that regardless who else joins us this summer United have already made the signing of the summer in appointing Ten Hag as manager.


16.) 22 Jul 2022 20:23:41
I think so halesini and I hope so even the ones I've grown to dislike such as Shaw and martial.
I like Fred but don't rate him.


17.) 22 Jul 2022 22:42:14
Ken a lot of the players are not good enough. I've been saying that and wanting top class players to be brought in. Rice would've transformed the team beyond recognition. But the owners lack the desire, ambition or funds, so while City and Liverpool are buying the top two strikers around (ps. Nunez scored 4 goals for Liverpool yesterday and you don't think he'll match Mané), we're nowhere near good enough and we've had a mediocre window at best.

I said few days ago, if we don't buy top quality (and it doesn't look like we will), then 6th place will be as good as we can do. And I'm not even sure 6th place is attainable. We're West Ham standard as it stands. Sorry to blow the bubble, but we'll see by Christmas that we needed to spend huge amounts on top top players in order to improve the team.

It is not going to happen as the owners have no money and they set a budget akin to Aston Villa! That's where we are at present, so while I think ETH and the coaching staff are top notch, they can't perform miracles and I'm afraid, we'll not be competing for anything.


18.) 22 Jul 2022 23:26:41
I can’t be as critical of Solskjaer as Ken, although I get his annoyance with it. But I do believe in right manager, right time. I actually liked LVG and felt he deserved more time but you can’t argue appointing Mourinho. Proven winner. But for me, in hindsight, wrong time. I’d have appointed him after SAF. He had the arrogance to step in and not worry about SAF’s legacy. I feel Solskjaer was right after Mourinho to bring back the feel good factor, which he did when we finished 2nd. But we should have looked elsewhere after that but I get why the club gave him the chance.

What amazes me now is reading “experts” criticising ETH rules. This is exactly what this lot need. I do think they are good enough, but I think they need a standard to work at which we haven’t had for so long and we’ve let players dictate the standards such as Pogba and Lingard.

I don’t like the running of this club. Bayern and Ajax IMO have it spot on, football people running the football. But. currently it seems they are letting ETH run things and he is a football man and if they continue to support him I think we are closer to challenging then not, even with this crop of players.


19.) 23 Jul 2022 01:03:33
How we appointed Moyes after Fergie remains one of our most bonkers decisions. Although it ultimately ended in failure when we later did appoint him I agree Mourinho looked tailor-made to succeed Fergie.


20.) 23 Jul 2022 09:59:58
AAA

I am with you, there seems to be some very favourable views through rose tinted glasses. I am concerned about goal scoring, if Martial is the main striker for the season then we are in trouble.

Lots of talk about how good a coach ETH is, yet we should be a little cautious. Undoubtedly knows what he is doing, but his experience is the Dutch league and he has brought in Ajax players, his comfort zone. That worries me a little. I see five teams with stronger spines than ours, I think we still are mixing and matching in the CM position and still do not have any fearsome goal scoring forward up front. Our spine is not strong. At the moment I think we are heading for sixth, maybe fifth if Arsenal do an Arsenal

I don’t go by meaningless friendlies pre season, after all didn't Martial score a worldie against European Champions Real Madrid and go on to have a poor season?

We need two significant players, CM and CF, the manager needs to step out of his Dutch comfort zone if we are to get top four even.

Not sure why there is any argument, Moyes was the disaster I said on here it would be, so was Ole. The decision makers at the club have been shocking all the way through. Comfort zone of SAF winning without spending big to emotional nonsense of Ole. It’s done now but Ole and Moyes tarnished the club, yet it was the decision makers who should be in stocks outside the club with barrels of rotten tomatoes to throw.


21.) 23 Jul 2022 10:46:25
Redman explain to me why a supporter should be cautious in their optimism?

{Ed014's Note - what’s your optimism based on? The new manager pulling a rabbit out of a hat?

Players like Martinez and Malacia being worldies.

Yes there’s reason to be optimistic but some on here think you’re going to be smashing it! ?‍♂️

So cautious optimism means you’re simply not kidding yourself.

10 games in 30pts on the board, then you’re talking a whole different level of optimism.


22.) 23 Jul 2022 11:19:02
When we win in a preaseason match, its just a friendly, if Martial scores every match, its just a preaseason!
If Nunez scores, 2 goals from clear mistakes, 1 fron a penalty, which Salah won't give him in official matches.

I mean, I know we are not at their level, but Jesus, stop diminishing every single win we make, be it on a team level or at personal.

Wasnt Martial capable of scoring 15+ goals? Or Rashford? I do not like either, because of their attitude past 2 seasons, but they did show earlier that they can score. let's see what they are capable of under the right coach.

AAA deal with it already, Rice won't come this season for sure, maybe even never. He is too expensive, and he even isn't for sale. You don't have to mention him in almost every post u make. We all (or most of us) want him, but he ain't coming.

I am certain that we will do much better this season, just because of ETH and clearing the squad of players such as Pogba and Lingard.
Any signing on top of that is just a bonus, and we made 3 already, and we will probably add some more, so stop with all the whining, please!


23.) 23 Jul 2022 11:22:23
Redman, nobody thinks our squad is strong enough to win the league I don't see anybody making an argument for otherwise. Do you see anybody making that argument?
Do you think the players should be cautious in offering their full support and belief in ETH?
Why do you think fans should be cautious in offering their support and belief?
My view is that all players and all fans should I feel their full support to eth and his staff until like ole or moyes they prove to be out of their depth and doomed to failure.
All players get a clean slate for me until they prove to be a failure under the new manager.
He wants to keep trying to convince fjd. If he agrees we become top spenders yet again but this time on what the manager wants.
If you want to wait and see before you support then that is your perogative and choice.
I think it's more important for you to be proven right than it is for the team to be successful.
Deep down I feel you don't want united to be successful under this ownership because it will give you something to complain about.
That is the way you come across to me and others.
You don't want to throw your support and belief behind the team in case you are proven wrong.
What do you want from the team this season?
To you want to see a better style of play?
Do you want more discipline and teamwork?
Do you want to see more effort and a plan?
Do you want to see them try to compete?
If you want to step back and not offer full support until you are proven wrong or right then that's OK. It seems an odd way to be to me.
I 100% honestly belive if and when united are successful again under this ownership you won't be pleased or at best will be cheering through gritted teeth.
If you don't have hope you have nothing and might as well give up.


24.) 23 Jul 2022 11:35:46
Ed014, caution before you offer support?
That's not for me.
Who cares if your wrong? That's what support is. It's a leap of faith.
Please point out the supporters who think we are going to smash it. Who said that on here. Don't you get into the hyperbole. Banter or just lies?
Nobody on here think we will win the league nobody thinks we are going to jump that far.
But I don't see any point in being caution to offer support until the manager has proven to be doomed to failure.
Anything is better than the 2 muppets we had last year.
3 signings so far I hope will do well I'd they don't then they don't but no need to be cautious in hoping they do.
It's more important for people on here to be proven right than to take a leap of faith.
Some don't want the club to win because they don't want the owners to be successful.
If any fan is more concerned with looking silly for having optimism then it's a poor look out.
Year 1 objectives for me are to enjoy watching my team
That they have a plan.
That they are well drilled and organised.
That they try to compete for 90 mins in every game.
Winning the league is not on the agenda but too be cautious to offer support in case your let down is nonsense.
I'm curious to know which supporters have said we are contenders and going to smash it.

{Ed014's Note - every year since Fergie left someone has predicted big things, that’s the way it is on here.

Last year was the best squad you’d had for god knows how long, Martial is now the new big thing etc etc.

There’s nowt wrong in supporting your team and wanting better there just needs to be some sense to it.

Personally I don’t care if you or anyone else predicts that the same crap players from last year with a few additions and a new manager are going to lay waste to the world.

It’s each to there own but try and allow others to have a different thought process than you mate.


25.) 23 Jul 2022 11:36:27
I'd say that's your best post ever on here trololo.


26.) 23 Jul 2022 11:40:01
Aaa rice doesn't want to come to united and is not for sale.
How much time would you like to put into that transfer potential?
You don't want them to chase a player the manager wants that is for sale but you want them to go on a fruitless chase on a player that does not want to come to united and is not for sale.
But again for you it's more important for the club to do what you want than it's is for them to do what the manager wants.
Double standards and hypocrisy at it's best.


27.) 23 Jul 2022 12:52:06
Ed0014 everybody is allowed their point of view but debate is countering that. Its the objective of discussion.
I'm asking valid questions I believe as to why someone would be cautious of offering full support before an event.
If its a fear of disappointment or being wrong then they are following the wrong game as you'll never be right or successful all the time.
I'm not telling people they are wrong I'm looking to change opinion by asking probing questions and countering their argument with mine.
It's popular at the moment to have digs at the club and rightly so after last 10 years but this is a new manager with new ideas give the guy a chance give him unconditional support at the outset if it proves to be unwarranted then withdraw the support for him but at least try to be positive from the outset. If it all goes pear shaped again then that's the time to not be positive.
I've no idea if eth will bring success back in time. But it's the hand we as fans have been dealt. Support him until he proves he can't do it is imo what the fans should do.

{Ed014's Note - “you’ve no idea if ETH will come good” then like others, your optimism is tempered with caution mate because you except there could be a different outcome.

You support your club as does everyone else on here but your optimism isn’t without caution.

Does that mean you don’t support the team or will be behind them, no it doesn’t, no more than Redman won’t be, you talk of him wanting the owners to fail, you wanted Ole to fail which he duly obliged.

Why a need to change an opinion, has anyone on here tried to change yours and would you entertain them if they did. I’m thinking NO.


28.) 23 Jul 2022 13:19:47
Ken

Appears like you are conducting a three line whip to get behind the manager. The manager is a transient employee, I support the club unreservedly regardless of the leaching owners, the manager has to earn that like SAF, the Doc and Sir Matt. Where I see concerns I voice them, there are concerns with the team and no amount of trying to force people into line will change that.


29.) 23 Jul 2022 13:35:50
Your wrong on 3 counts. But thanks for using the capital letters.
1 I did not want ole to fail I don't want the club ever to fail. I could see no other outcome so withdrew support for him. I ran out if optimism.
I would like rid of martial I don't like him never have but if eth gets him playing and scoring I'll be delighted same goes for Fred. I'm less optimistic of those 2 things happening than I am of significant team improvement but would be delighted if they did.
2. My optimism is not with any caution but I am not arrogant enough to assume my optimism has no chance of being proved incorrect.
There is no caution in my optimism at all I'm 100% optimistic I have no way of knowing if my optimism will be fulfilled but its without caution as I've no fear if being wrong but don't assume I'm right.
3. My opinion will be changed if there is evidence there to prove that. So that's just silly despite the use of capitals ?
Finally there is of course no need to change opinion but I'd have a desire to as I'd prefer to have as many fans united as possible. O don't like seeing the club being run down all the time. An individual employee or employees fine but not the club itself. That's just my opinion and I'll always defend the club but maybe not always its employees.

{Ed014's Note - you are full of shit mate! ???


30.) 23 Jul 2022 13:47:50
Redman why not answer the direct questions I asked.
Why should we as fans be cautious in supporting the new manager?
What constitutes success for you this season?
What is stopping you giving the manager support before a ball is kicked?
Do you exercise your constitutional right to vote in a general election or are you given special dispensation to vote after you see how they are getting on?


31.) 23 Jul 2022 13:49:18
Redman everybody knows the team is short everybody has concerns about the team.
You said we should be cautious to support the manager. Why?


32.) 23 Jul 2022 14:04:28
Redman you are one of the most respected posters on here.
Why on earth would you be cautious of being optimistic.
You say eth has to earn your respect.
Are you hopefully he will do that?
Are you hopeful he will be successful.
I'm working on the assumption you would answer yes to both of those questions.
So why would you fear hoping for these things.
You are cautious of hoping we do well I can't understand that.


33.) 23 Jul 2022 17:47:44
Ken

Why should we as fans be cautious in supporting the new manager? I have explained this a number of times. Because his experience is in the Dutch league, so far he has appeared to only consider Ajax related players as good enough. It concerns me that he may only feel comfortable with what he knows as players, when we need to have the right level. Will Dutch league players cut it? I have concerns on this. Looks a good coach, but this is a new level for him.

What constitutes success for you this season? Top 4 and a cup

What is stopping you giving the manager support before a ball is kicked? I support the club, but the manager is an employee. I would say this manager hasn’t yet had success in a major league. Looks to have good potential, but unlike the managers of the top four hasn’t shown he can do it at the highest level. I have hopes he can but our recruitment has not been strong and focus on comfort zone of players is something I noted. We don’t know he can step up to this level and won’t until May next year.

Do you exercise your constitutional right to vote in a general election or are you given special dispensation to vote after you see how they are getting on? I know there is sarcasm there, Ken probably because I am not full of enthusiasm for ETH. I vote in every election, local, general or referendum and you would not be surprised to know I have clear opinions on issues that matter and express them.

I think ETH can earn respect, of course I hope he will be successful but there are still questions over him. We didn’t sign Pep, Klopp, Tuchel or Conte who have all shown they can win the big prizes, we signed potential at this level. ETH has a lot to overcome and players from the Dutch league, an inferior one, need to step up, just like the manager, I am not 100% convinced they all will, especially if they don’t strengthen with other quality in several areas

Hope that answers your questions.


34.) 23 Jul 2022 18:49:25
If you're not optimistic going into a season, what's the point?


35.) 23 Jul 2022 19:28:01
Thanks redman.
I and nobody is for 1 second suggesting that eth is going to 100% for sure succeed.
Nobody knows that.
But you want to be cautious of giving him support until he proves himself.
So when will you decide to give him your support?
How long did it take you to give fergie support?
You want the board to support him you want the glazers to support him but you want to be cautious.
You want him supported by others but your not prepared to support him without caution.
I'm at a loss as to why any supporter would not support him 100% from day 1 like the board have.
Why do you feel the need to be cautious as a supporter?
What fear do you have of giving him support?
Worst case is you were wrong, realise that and withdraw your support.
Take a leap of faith you might enjoy it. But imagine having to admit your wrong. Ooh the shame of it. ?? imo you never need to be cautious as a supporter as it serves no purpose.
He was not your 1st choice he was not mine.
Klopp was not a hugely successful manager before coming to England and has won 1 epl in 7 attempts.
Tuchel won the French league which is no more competitive than the Dutch. Not sure what else he won.
Chelsea jumped on his potential and he has scraped top 4 twice and won the cl to realise some of the potential Chelsea invested in.
Simeone I think was your personal preference. Known for his dour defensive football with a poor record of winning trophies would have had your 100% support from the get go. I don't see any difference other than he is not your choice.
So if he fails to get top 4 and win a cup but there is big improvement in lots of other aspects and things are moving very much in the right direction does he get your support or do you think we should rip it up and start again or will you just sit on the outside looking in on the fence with caution until he wins something?


36.) 23 Jul 2022 19:46:10
Thanks ken, I do think I had some more quality posts, but perhaps you haven't agreed on those.

Ed, what most of us fans are expecting is good fight for the top 4 and a positive style of play. I don't see that as overly optimistic.

I think everyone is sceltical about Martial, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't get a chance.

Im not sure who you support, if I remember correctly, its Arsenal, and bet you think you will get top 4, or win EL and expect some players to improve. What happens if Saka loses his form, like Bruno or Rashford? Would you still back him?


37.) 23 Jul 2022 20:02:57
Sepp

Seen an awful lot of seasons, realistic rather than optimistic. Things will improve but there are some concerns and being unrealistic and over optimistic doesn’t do much for you.


38.) 23 Jul 2022 22:43:34
Ken

Many questions, obviously this is vexing you

So when will you decide to give him your support?

I support the club not the manager. If the manager does well then support grows. Just because they have the title of manager it doesn’t automatically require or ensure respect. Experience and taking everyone in the right direction engenders respect and then support for what they do. I have seen many senior business figures arrive in businesses and it depends on what they do, as to how they are thought of.

How long did it take you to give fergie support?

I think I said on here that we knew what SAF did at Aberdeen, watched how he sorted out the big two. I saw the drinking culture at United first hand so knew it was a big job. The same as now, see how he did. After Sexton and big Ron, experience told you not to just believe everything would be great. The loss to City 5.1 was hard to take in 89, but we knew he had done so much at Aberdeen, so it was worth persevering with. Tough times though.


39.) 24 Jul 2022 09:37:46
No it's not vexing me redman.
It puts things in perspective and gives me clarity on your thought process.
I'm a lot clearer now I was.


 

 

12 Jul 2022 19:12:49
Fantastic result today. Doesn't matter what the performance was like or the score. We stopped Liverpool winning another 'treble' ;)

Halesini

1.) 12 Jul 2022 21:56:48
Another final they've failed to score in.


 

 

07 Jul 2022 12:52:45
Chelsea:
Bought Sterling for £45m
Will get Ronaldo for no more than £15m
Now in for De Ligt and. De Jong.

Eds I know its not the Chelsea page but they'd be a decent side with those additions. Unlike us lol. It will be incredibly embarrassing if we miss out on De Jong having been in talks for the past 10 weeks.

Timber - missed
Nunez - missed
Malacia - signed
Eriksen - signed
Ronaldo - leaving unexpectedly
De Jong -?
Martinez -?

After a few weeks of optimism we look to be back to Amateur Hour again.

I can see adding Martinez, Ronaldo going and that's our lot.

Could we do a quick poll on how we'd all define mid-table respectability for next season please ;)

I still maintain that despite the above we HAVE made the best signing we could've got this summer in Ten Hag.

Wherever we finish next season we at least know we will have pressed the reset button playing wise and will have a defined and attacking style. If we can't fill the first team gaps we have it will bring on the youth players much more. With 5 subs next season and Europa League there will be plenty of opportunities for them to shine or otherwise.

Anyway it can't be all bad news today as at least Boris has walked!

Halesini

1.) 07 Jul 2022 13:11:14
Chasing FDJ was a mistake, still is.
We shouldve learned to stop chasing these expensive transfers as hardly any have worked for this club.
If we sign a good DM, I think our midfield is okay going into next season.
The lack of a striker if Ronaldo leaves will be immense since I don't trust either Martial or Rashford to get the goals.
In the striker department we will worse off than we ever were. Even before we had atleast 3 strikers to choose from.


2.) 07 Jul 2022 13:55:34
Rohan, I agree it's a mistake to have been chasing FdJ this long if there was a chance we wouldn't get him. There are so many rumours floating about, I think only a very small number of people know the truth and they deem it worth pursuing. One day he's up for it, the next he isn't. One day he's available, the next he isn't. Still optimistic and I have no doubt if Eric feels he really doesn't want to be here we'll move onto the next target, whoever that is (genuinely no idea) .
But to suggest our midfield is okay going into the season is ridiculous. It's the worst Utd midfield in my lifetime (40 decades of following) . We haven't had even a good midfielder since Scholes, let alone a great one. We won't control or dominate games until we get one.


3.) 07 Jul 2022 14:25:30
40 decades?! What are you Spenno, a tortoise?


4.) 07 Jul 2022 14:25:30
40 decades?! What are you Spenno, a tortoise?


5.) 07 Jul 2022 15:01:01
Despite what seems like a good relationship with EtH de Jong does not want to come to United. It may have been an unpleasant saga but it's one that's playing out in this manner not because of amateur hour but because we cannot offer ECL football. Same goes with Ronaldo. This window is a result of 10 years of amateur hour under Woodward.

So, it looks like we're going to have to switch our approach. Hopefully Ronaldo will go and we'll stump up for another couple of decent players who may not take us back to the ECL through the league but perhaps can get us there by the Europa League route.


6.) 07 Jul 2022 15:35:02
Ha Tom that's a bad typo. We're going back to Arthur Albiston / Neil Webb!


7.) 07 Jul 2022 17:05:07
Loved Arthur spenno.


8.) 07 Jul 2022 18:46:52
Met Arthur Albiston and got his autograph as he watched us in the nets at Rishton. Was just a kid then, my uncle told me he lived round there but often stopped to see what was happening.


9.) 07 Jul 2022 22:24:36
Think Neil Webb’s a postman now!


 

 

 

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12 Aug 2022 18:02:31
Very happy to see Rashford go. We all love him for the extraordinary person he is but he has done nothing in a United shirt for 2 seasons now. Injuries and surgery I appreciate within that but does anyone really think the 19yo Rashford we were all so excited about has fulfilled anywhere near his potential now that he's at the 'completed' age of 24?

The fact his agent has been talking to PSG smacks of either pure wanting to get out or a bargaining chip to strike a better deal. Bottom line he is simply not worth his current deal. If we had any balls as a club we would be offering him a lower contract to stay or preferably just outright saying I'm sorry Marcus but you are just not good enough.

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27 Jul 2022 12:05:33
Rice to Chelsea, Bellingham to City or Liverpool. Two outstanding midfielders who will never wear the United shirt IMO. Unless Chelsea seriously implode I just can't see how Rice wouldn't end up there - stays in London, Top 4 club, playing with his best mate Mount, earning £250k+ a week.

And his feet won't become webbed when moving to Its Grim Up North.

The rest of us have to put up with it. Rice won't.

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24 Jul 2022 22:42:18
For £15m and guaranteed football in a team playing some nice football under Potter I suspect Brandon definitely goes. As Bolger says though he's a right back originally though and, with a new manager on-board, if I were him I'd be wanting to stay for another season and see what opportunities may break. He has youth on his side after all. We look to be trying to offload AWB and the upcoming Fernandez is being loaned to Preston. Surely Ten Hag has took one look at Telles and thought WFT? So could be in a position where we have Malacia / Shaw for LB and Dalot / Williams for RB if the cards fell his way. I suspect we will look to offload AWB, Williams and Telles though and use that money to go for a first teamer RB with Dalot as the cover player.

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22 Jul 2022 18:43:22
Ronaldo / Rooney / Tevez was a dream front 3 and as noted none of them a traditional No.9 at that time. Oh to relive the heady days of 2008 again.

Antony rumours look to be gathering pace. Ajax playing hardball over the fee as well they should but he's another player, like Martinez, who seemingly very much wants the move to United. Pre-season we look a different team sure but Rashford, Martial and to a lesser extent Sancho all have much to improve on based on last and previous years. Will Elanga make it at first team level? Will Garnacho breakthrough into the first XI next season? Is there a longer term plan for Amad and Pellestri other than just loaning them out? Lots of questions which to me means a move for Antony looks far more likely than not IF we can afford him. I am still not convinced we would get Antony and De Jong though in addition to Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen joining.

I suspect we are negotiating with Ajax to reduce the transfer fee for Antony and perhaps just as crucially gain the most favourable payment terms so we can stretch our buying power as much as possible this season. Suspect it only gets the green light though once Ronaldo confirmed to be leaving.

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21 Jul 2022 19:15:02
Think we’d only sign Antony if De Jong deal was definitely dead. We just have the money otherwise to spend on another RW. Sancho RW / Rashford LW looks to be first choice line up based on pre season. Of course we need cover and if Ronaldo were to leave that puts Martial as striker and cover options are only then Elanga / Garnacho / Amad / Pellestri - though the latter two surely more loan options this season?

Rashford could play as a forward to and Sancho switch to LW which would accommodate a new RW. Not seeing it though.

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17 Aug 2022 17:45:33
Rangnick was ideal for Director of Football. Can't be worse than Murtough who seems woefully under qualified.

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15 Aug 2022 12:40:13
United valuation per NYSE is shy of £2b now. So that’s the actual value of the company but of course need to pay the £600m debt too. Given Chelsea was bought for £4b and Glazers thought our value would rise to £8B+ IF the ESL ever took off I think £4-4.5b is minimum they’d take. But new owners essentially need £800m+ on new stadia potentially and what £500m to compete with City / Liverpool on players?

That’s why United won’t be sold immediately. Any billionaire wanting us will wait til our overall value plummets as low as possible.

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15 Aug 2022 12:34:07
We are abysmal at getting the right players. Have been for ages. Thiago deal was apparently all but agreed. He wanted 4 year deal, Joel Glazer would only sanction 3. And the rest is history ?.

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15 Aug 2022 12:31:02
Diddidido - United finished 2nd and somehow it doesn’t count. Liverpool finish 2nd and they are the greatest team who walked the earth. You sure you’re on the right page mate?

Everyone knows Ole wasn’t cut out for the job. But United went from 2nd to 6th following Ronaldo signing. Other variables too of course as any disaster is multi factorial by definition.

But Ronaldo signing meant we had to adapt our play. Unlike for Varane and Sancho who signed same time and were both planned. Ronaldo signing wasn’t.

Ronaldo has to go. Legend that he was once you put in a transfer request then goodbye.

I’d rather someone pay us at least the £13m we paid Juve for him but ain’t going to happen.

If he’s that bad a disruption in the dressing room he should go.

Let’s not forget Ronaldo has previous form in leaving us. All this I love the club is just crap. He’d have loved City if Pep had said yes to his £500k a week wage demands. He didn’t and we are where we are.

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14 Aug 2022 13:56:31
Nobody gets a free pass on the basis of the first 2 games. Rangnick said Rashford was unhappy back in March and his agent is talking to PSG. I’d rather see a bit of old fashioned iron glove in an iron hand (yes I do mean that) style of management and kick this lot into shape or kick them out.

Ronaldo - transfer request - sell
Rashford - taking to other clubs - sell

If you don’t want to be here get gone.

We have been poor across the pitch in both games. We can single out individual mistakes and continued use of players we know are not good enough but this is where we are right now as a club.

7 away defeats on the bounce speaks for itself. And if we lose our first 2 home games as would seem likely with Liverpool next then that whichever way you want to paint it is relegation form.

Successful teams have unity and team spirit. Ten Hag needs to decide what his core 15/ 16 players are he’s going to rely on from this group and the rest can play / train with the U23s if can’t be sold.

Some attack / defence of Rashford in the above. This season will be telling for him as individual but we as a club. There’s no way on God’s earth that City or Liverpool would be considering extending Rashford’s contract based on form. We SHOULD sell him. He is clearly open to it. If we sell him at least it’s a change in the right direction. If we extend his contract, God forbid on better terms, we will know that this club is screwed until the entire executive are replaced. And that’s only ever going to happen with new owners.

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