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23 Jun 2019 00:37:57
I was thinking. If we had 1 player in our starting 11 who was capable of whipping in really good crosses consistently it would massively improve our goal scoring ratio. I mean look at KDB at Man City, look at Liverpool's full backs. We can also look at Becks when he did it back in the day. It was so easy for our strikers to score with delivery like that. I think the obsession of having dribblers or david silva type players is too much. let's just find a winger or a fullback who can really deliver a good cross.

We got Martial on left, such a good dribbler but how many assists does he actually get?

The only thing is I cannot think of a player who has the quality crossing of becks who is available right now. Someone like Lukaku would suddenly become prolific if we had that type of player.

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23 Jun 2019 07:27:20
Martial such a good dribbler?

He's inconsistent. He needs to up his game.

23 Jun 2019 08:04:56
Who would we be whipping these crosses in for? We don't have any genuinely good headers of the ball.

Lukaku is decent but not great in the air, however, his movement is poor so he is rarely in a good position when a wide player is ready to cross. I read a stat the other day that only 8% of Lukaku's career goals have been headers. Neither Rashford or Martial are any good in the air.

Therefore, unless we sign someone who is good in the air such as Haller, then bringing in a wide player who likes to whip in crosses is almost entirely pointless.

23 Jun 2019 09:10:44
Nonsense Shappy. Crosses do not have to be high, for headers. It was mentioned a while ago that Lukaku needed the ball played through the middle to give him the best supply. I watched a video of all of Lukakus goals for Everton and the vast majority came from crosses and wide areas, not necessarily high crosses.
As the OP mentions DeBruyne whips in some great crosses, but they are generally low crosses.
I can tell you that, as a player, the low cross between the defense and the keeper is much harder to defend that high crosses. Even Smalling looks good when opponents the ball is in the air.
Robertson at Liverpool also does it well - whipping in crosses from wide areas that cause hovoc for the defense. That type of cross, low, firm and between defense and GK is a nightmare for defenders and a dream for goalscorers. GK doesn't want to come for them, and defenders turned and having to face their own goal. Defending is much easier when the ball is in front of you - get the ball in behind and panic sets it.

23 Jun 2019 09:34:42
Betty, all balls not played to feet require off the ball movement. Something Lukaku struggles with.

Most defenders prefer defending low crosses compared to high crosses, as most footballers are better with their feet than their heads.

Also looking at the goals completion doesn't give you avoid idea about how a player plays. At Everton while Lukaku was there they averaged 12 crosses a game. Lukaku often played as the sole striker, and had a goal scoring rate of one goal every three games.

Which means he scored on average once from every 36 crosses. That is not a great rate, certainly not good enough to base our future playing style around.

Also when Lukaku as at Everton they had Baines and Coleman whipping in most of those crosses and more often than not they were very good balls in to dangerous areas that Lukaku had failed to get himself into.

23 Jun 2019 11:37:21
Football is not played on paper, and stats are a load of tosh most of the time.
Lukaku is not the perfect footballer, far from it. But the fact is we spent 70 odd million or whatever the figure was and have not played to his strengths.
Give Lukaku decent supply and he will score goals. If Ole, or any manager doesn't want to play in a way that suits Lukaku then fine, get rid of him. But that does not change the fact that given the supply, he will score goals - and that goes for most forwards.
Trying to back up and argument with statistics such as those above do not give a 'real' picture.
And statement s like players prefer defending low crosses because they are better with their feet is such a generalisation it's silly.
Any commanding CB will prefer to defend high crosses in front of him that low crosses between him and the goalkeeper.

23 Jun 2019 11:50:11
To be fair, saying "any commanding CB" is also silly. Should re-phrase that to "most".

23 Jun 2019 12:05:27
No no Betty we cannot be fair to players or managers that Shappy doesn't like😋😋. If you were talking of Rashford instead of Lukaku, he will tell you stats that Rashford scores from all crosses. He even once scored from his own cross into the box. He whipped one devilish ball into the box and used his pace to get into the box and scored from it. ain't that right Shappy? 😋😋🤣🤣🤣😋.

23 Jun 2019 20:41:36
Looks like I'm the pantomime vilian🤣.

Don't worry, water of a ducks back. In fact, as I have said many times I prefer for people to disagree with me and for there to be some reasoned debate. That's why I come on this site.

The sad thing is when things were good we had some great discussions on here. Now we're going through a rough patch everyone is losing their mind and the hyperbole is setting in. It's a sad fact but I got far more reasoned discussion with the scousers during the charity match last week then I get on here recently.

Some do come back with good reasoned debate, and I appreciate that. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and I don't want them too. The world isn't black or white, and there are many different view points to see the world from.

Even though in my opinion what I have said in this post is sensible and fair I fully expect to get as many of not more disagrees as agrees. And that will put a huge smile on my face. 😂.

23 Jun 2019 21:26:14
I think my replies above count as 'reasoned debate' Shappy.
We just see things from a different perspective. I am nearly 46 years old, and played competitive football for nearly 30 years from under 9 level.
You clearly have a passion for statistics, tactics and the theory side of the game - and I genuinely mean no disrespect in saying that. But it gives us different view points, that's all.
Personally, I feel that football is being over thought these days, a simple game made complicated. Players are over trained, tactics made too complicated.
But that's just my opinion, and why I see things in a much more black and white way to yourself.
But I am right about low crosses 😁😁😁.

23 Jun 2019 21:40:04
Shappy, you have some very valid points and get them across well at times. Sometimes though, things are black and white. Stats don’t tell the whole story and that’s what (I think) sometimes gets under people’s skin on hear. You can over analyse things too much like the Wan Bissaka game for the u21s. He had a poor game, no stats would convince me otherwise because I watched the game.







 

 

 
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