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20 Jul 2023 19:36:24
Welcome Onana.
Bruno officially announced as captain and Charlie Savage off to Reading on a permanent deal.

2toms

1.) 20 Jul 2023 20:10:58
Don't forget Hardley joining Iqbal at Utrecht.

I'm loving the approach this summer, ruthless but fair.
Imagine Ole was still in charge, the likes of Iqbal and Savage would still just be getting loans that offer no value to the club or their respective careers. There's not a chance he'd let De Gea go and he'd likely still keep Maguire as captain.
ten Hag is doing the business that the previous permanent incumbent lacked the cahoonas for.

Very good summer so far.


2.) 20 Jul 2023 20:28:01
I wouldn't say ruthless, but the young fringe players moving with buyback options and decent sell on fees is a good move, we've adopted the same approach to what a lot of european clubs do. If it works we can get a good player back, or buy them back and sell for a bigger profit. Smart move by the club.

I don't think this has anything to do with ole or ten hag, I think it's more woodward going and having people that know more about transfers running that side of things.

I like what I'm seeing so far this windown.


3.) 21 Jul 2023 02:53:38
dannyc

You could be right, but I do believe that Ole is more culpable than you think.
For example, Phil Jones.
There is no way whatsoever that Woodward (every bit a money man) would see value in a player with such an incredible injury record, certainly not enough to approve a new contract in 2019 - he can't be blamed for everything.
So, is that down to Ole, a Glazer or Fergie?
In any scenario, the buck stops with the manager for it is that one person who decides whether there's game value to a player.

Woodward was crap at the job, nobody with any sense would disagree. However, he was always the go-to scapegoat for the mismanagement that was, and for the most part, is still rife throughout the club.

Ole is a likeable fella and he's a good coach who brought a certain fluffiness to the squad, but he's a terrible and timid manager who's about as maverick as a jam sandwich.


4.) 21 Jul 2023 10:17:15
ETH is making all the footballing decisions which is great.
I don't think this has happened since the Fergie era.


5.) 21 Jul 2023 10:30:23
I think if you come from outside the bubble that is MUFC like ETH has he was probably shocked at a lot of the practices like stock piling players with no futures at the club -no clear route to the first team for youngsters, so many kids that won't ever make it being kept on or sent on pointless loans and a general lack of direction in so many aspects of the club. He has to be able to have a clear out where he sees fit . let's not forget those with no previous ties to the club like JM, LVG and Ralf saw it and said publicly it was a mess of a club . Ole not so much as working in a that out dated way was all he saw when he was at O. T. he thought it was normal.


6.) 21 Jul 2023 13:35:35
I’m not quite as positive.

We have replaced one outgoing keeper with another one - we have no back up keeper.

The defence remains the same. No improved full back option at RB, and question marks over the futures of Maguire and Lindelof.

We have strengthened attacking midfield which was not a huge priority. We have no quality in depth once Casemiro is out.

Manchester United played a whole season without a recognised striker last season - and we are embarking on a tour today, still without a striker in the squad except a lad who played for Altrincham last year.

I’ll reserve judgement until the window is closed.


7.) 21 Jul 2023 20:26:31
Eric I hear what your saying, but heard that were trying for suzuki, I'm sure we will get a backup gk or keep kovar if we don't sign one.

Ten hag said were looking at a number 9 and I'm sure we will get a decent one with outgoings, we don't seem to have enough in the kitty for a decent one as it stands. With elanga moving that's another 15 million, telles for about 5, hopefully henderson will bring another 25 and one of Fred and mctominay should add around 20 or so that our money for a striker.

I also think we will save massive amounts on wages, which puts us in a good place moving forward.

I think we will have a good window and we will all be happy at the end of the season.


8.) 21 Jul 2023 20:58:57
Eric,

Have you seen Mainoo play? Think I’d like to see a player come through the academy than a shiny new signing at DM, especially as anyone coming in would be playing 2nd fiddle to Casemiro anyway.


9.) 22 Jul 2023 13:27:22
I be seen him in meaningful games as
Much as anybody else GDS. reserve and u21 games are non-comparable. If he’s that good, I’ll be delighted as anybody.


10.) 22 Jul 2023 16:51:36
Doesn’t change the fact the club have not had a striker for over 2 years and are chasing unproven players to take the No9 shirt.


 

 

20 Jun 2023 18:23:51
Zidane Iqpal off to Utrecht for £1m.

2toms

1.) 20 Jun 2023 18:57:13
Last pre-season It looked like he had the chance to be one of the next wave coming through, even if as squad player. EtH has obviously not seen anything in him to allow him to leave, whether that is fit, ability or attitude.
Shame that another youngster has not transitioned but if not the quality then it is what it is.
Price and club he has gone to seems odd.


2.) 20 Jun 2023 19:26:24
Brad, I just read he signed up to the same agency as ETH, who supposedly promised him a move to the Eridivisie.


3.) 20 Jun 2023 19:51:42
I was surprised Zidane didn't get more chances but maybe there is a bigger picture. I remember we were linked with Taylor Booth from utrecht I hope there is maybe a trade off there somehow.


4.) 20 Jun 2023 19:36:18
Noucamp, interesting. It also sounds like they have negotiated a significant sell on clause.
Maybe they are allowing a lesser fee and if he is a success we may get a decent return in a few years time.


5.) 20 Jun 2023 21:04:37
What a joke of a fee, loan him out .


6.) 20 Jun 2023 21:20:19
I’d have thought even with a decent sell on clause he’d have demanded more than that based on potential.


7.) 21 Jun 2023 08:31:10
wrd - not a great fee granted but better than keeping a player, who won't get the minutes to shine and pay him wages only to either lose for free. Multiply it by the many, younguns we have and it all adds up. We are man utd football club and as harsh as it sounds we don't have charitable status.


8.) 21 Jun 2023 12:37:29
What is the point in keeping him, it's clear that he isn't going to get any game time.
1 million EUROS for a player that has played 1 game for Manchester United is a decent amount.


9.) 21 Jun 2023 12:58:26
Would a youngster in the same position at Real, Barcelona or City command more…. I think they would. Listen, I’m all for getting rid don’t get me wrong, but it does seem we are potentially taking pittance for players when other sides are always banging a bit on.


10.) 21 Jun 2023 20:00:43
Zidane got a right earful from EtH in training a few weeks ago, seems like he had had enough and told United to get rid regardless of the fee. Manager's succeed or fail on these decisions.


11.) 21 Jun 2023 20:31:20
Well let's see if he does achieve anything in his career.


 

 

27 May 2023 21:48:42
Diogo Costa, Kim Min Jae, Frimpong, and Kane would be a fantastic summer window.

2toms

1.) 28 May 2023 05:09:10
Rather get a midfielder over frimpong.


2.) 28 May 2023 08:08:04
100% backpass, with Casemiro and Eriksen being 31 (turning 32) next season and with only Fred, McTominay and Donny as back up, that is nowhere near good enough and we have struggled when one of Casemiro or Eriksen are missing.

Whereas, Dalot and even AWB (after the WC) have been solid enough.


3.) 28 May 2023 08:09:12
midfielder definitely coming in imo. depending on departures might see 2 incoming unless club thinks someone from youth ranks is ready to step in and get minutes.


4.) 28 May 2023 11:44:18
I don't see a change at GK or maybe RB at least this summer.
Although I think he should definitely be the main target this window I don't think Levy will sell Kane for less than around £120m which becomes unviable. Bayern paid up to £34m (with add-ons) for Mane, of course he was worth much more but Liverpool knew he'd walk away for free at the end of the season. I don't think we can expect any such favours from Levy. I genuinely think he'd rather keep him than take the more realistic £70-80m, and spend the season trying to convince him to stay.
I have no idea who should be the main striker target in this scenario. I haven't seen enough of Muani or Ramos. Osimhen comes up a lot but maybe the wrong type of player. Interestingly Chelsea are still being linked with pretty much all of them. They still have Lukaku to deal with, and have Nkunku coming in who is a great player. Still no further to having a reliable out-and-out no.9 though. Maybe Poch is a Lukaku fan.
I don't think we can scrimp in this position. Ferguson/ Hjoland would be nice as secondary signings or further afield but not as the main man.


5.) 28 May 2023 12:25:18
Spenno, in 33 days time DDG will be out of contract. As will both Heaton and Butland (loan ended) . While Henderson is only interesting in staying if he is guaranteed to be No.1, so he will likely leave.

So, with a good chance that at least three if not all four first team goalkeepers leaving this summer I'd be stunned and utterly flabbergasted if we didn't sign at least one keeper this summer.

Whether we spend big on a first choice or whether we buy a cheaper back up keeper is the only thing that is really up for debate.


6.) 29 May 2023 16:02:44
Isnt DDG signing a 2 year extension and we are signing Meslier?


 

 

20 Aug 2022 20:02:56
Apologies if this has been covered but can anyone confirm if this Casemiro deal was a long running thing or right out of the blue?

2toms

{Ed002's Note - Casemiro had been offered to a couple of Premier League clubs including MU and given all prefered targets were moving elsewhere, not available or not interested, they agreed the transfer.


1.) 21 Aug 2022 13:11:30
Was rabiot ahead of Casemiro on that pecking order?

{Ed002's Note - He had not been offered at that point.}


2.) 21 Aug 2022 13:48:29
Ed with the signing of Casemiro does it mean we are not pursuing Frenkie anymore?


Or are they unrelated, and have we moved onto second options since Frenkie doesn't want to come to us?

Thanks a million ed.

{Ed002's Note - They are unrelated as they play in different positions. de Jong does not wa nt to move to Manchester United.}


3.) 21 Aug 2022 13:54:24
Cheers Ed, I thought it all seemed too efficient for our board to pull off.
Any chance we’re being offered a striker, midfielder, right back and goalkeeper?


4.) 21 Aug 2022 14:06:32
Ed002, was Casemiro being offered around a directive from Real Madrid or from the player?

{Ed002's Note - The club who are loking to lower the age and have added AT.}


5.) 21 Aug 2022 15:04:48
Ed so th3 club hasn't moved on yet. That is pathetic and I think we should just go all out for SmS.


6.) 21 Aug 2022 15:06:14
Ed002,

1. Are United still looking to add another central midfielder right as an alternative to Frenkie De Jong?

2. Or are the club prioritizing other positions like winger/ striker and another central midfielder signing is unlikely?

3. Are reports of a 80mil euro bid by United for Antony in recent weeks accurate?

{Ed002's Note -
1. Yes
2. It doesn't wok like that.
3. Yes.


7.) 21 Aug 2022 15:50:08
Thanks ed. I'm happy to hear that there will be more incomings.


8.) 21 Aug 2022 19:19:45
Ed - who are the possible other midfielders the club will look to sign?

{Ed014's Note - Tielemens and Ward Prowse! ???


9.) 21 Aug 2022 19:39:29
The worrying thing is I could see that happening!

{Ed014's Note - I’d doubt it mate to be honest, I don’t really think they’re that daft.

We’re supposed to be after a couple more but literally no idea who they’re looking at and to be honest I’m never bothered about stuff like that I just wait and see.


10.) 21 Aug 2022 18:55:03
Thanks for the quick reply Ed002. If we can come out of this window with midfield surgery and a forward/ right back I'd consider it a success.


 

 

29 Jul 2022 15:38:03
I really hope the rumours of Fabián Ruiz are true. I've thought for a while he'd be a decent player to have in the Premier league. He'd be a very suitable replacement for Matic.
I get that Ten Hag wants FDJ at all costs etc but if we could get Ruiz for the reported £42m then it's a no brainer. Very good player.

2toms

1.) 29 Jul 2022 15:53:08
I tend to agree and think he'd be a suitable alternative to FDJ if that deal isn't able to be concluded.

Personally I think Fabian Ruiz better fits EtH than SMS who is another of the often touted alternatives. Although personally I feel that SMS is much like Pau Torres, a club target the predates EtH and might not be some the new manager really wants to pursue.

Or at least Fabian Ruiz's skillset more closely aligns with that of FDJ.

If we could do a deal that includes Ronaldo then that could be a two birds with one stone situation.


2.) 29 Jul 2022 16:01:20
I wouldn’t mind both players to be honest. Two different midfielders who would both instantly improve our team.
Savic definitely does seem like a club target though.


3.) 29 Jul 2022 20:03:30
Shappy. Why would CR7 go to Napoli? Although they are in CL they may be packed in a group of death and chance of finishing 3rd in the group is high. So effectively CR7 will again play in Europa league in few months time. Atleast in United he is on insane wages, he has to reduce his wages if he goes to Napoli.
He probably prefer a team who has high chance of going far in the CL or even winning it.

{Ed014's Note - what he prefers and what those clubs in with a chance of winning the champions league want are two totally different things.


4.) 29 Jul 2022 20:20:52
Don't think anyone cares what you think personally shappy. Think they are more concerned with what the manager thinks. And rightly so, whoever he asks for, should be attempted to be attained.


5.) 29 Jul 2022 20:43:01
Jeez RedWhiskey, there's no need for that.


6.) 30 Jul 2022 07:47:25
Wow RedWhiskey, whose p. ed in your Macallen?

If we're not going to give opinions then this site will become very slow.

I didn't say the club should sign Ruiz, just that in my opinion he is closer in style of play to FDJ than SMS is. Which if we are looking for an alternative to FDJ then Ruiz would make more sense than SMS.

I've repeatedly said that the best signings we can make this summer are the ones the new manager wants.

However, that said the reality is his top target FDJ might not be attainable this summer. So alternatives will probably need to be sought. Obviously an alternative that the manager approves of.


7.) 30 Jul 2022 17:47:16
It's been one of themes of this summer, it doesn't matter what XYZ thinks its the managers choice that's important.


8.) 30 Jul 2022 19:59:26
I didn't mean it in any malice. Simply that what is most important is getting who the manager wants. Rumours are flying around everywhere and we all jump on them I'd like this I'd like that. Ultimately it doesn't matter who we want, it matters who the manager wants.


9.) 30 Jul 2022 21:43:15
Don't worry RedWhiskey, I didn't take it personally. I agree that the most important thing is we sign who the manager wants.

I just enjoy discussing the other options we are linked with.


10.) 31 Jul 2022 16:26:29
My biggest worry is TH is fixated with Ajax or Dutch players, I appreciate he needs to get the players he wants, but I would have hoped he had a dossier on players of other teams countries…that to me is a little of a worry…. We seen with DVB who was supposedly good at Ajax over hear is is very poor and he had plenty of chances….


11.) 31 Jul 2022 17:31:31
We have 2 Dutch players in the squad, one of them is Chong who has been here for years. Obsessed.


12.) 31 Jul 2022 17:52:05
Yeah god forbid we bring players from the Eredivisie to United, it'd be terrible to have to watch players like RvN, RvP, Stam, Park etc at United.


13.) 31 Jul 2022 18:13:30
Oh yeah but you forgot, Depay, Patrick Kluivert, Meijer, Boogers, Janssen,
DVB, . But Brains that’s not what I am saying is it, I’m saying every player he linked with is Ajax/ Dutch could just be lazy jounos but there are other players out there instead of making Ajax the richest club in the world!


 

 

 

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04 Nov 2024 12:09:02
I’m probably going to get hammered for this post but this is how I see it.

Our front 3 is no where near good enough. I’ll start with Garnacho. He is clearly a very talented lad. Any other top team would love to have a youngster like him pushing for a starting place, unfortunately for him, he is now considered a first team player and he’ll get game time whether he’s performing or not in our current set up. At a team like Real or City he would be striving to knock whoever is first choice off their perch. At United he has already ‘made it’.

Rashford is in a terrible spot of form. Whether he regains that form or not is yet to be seen. Maybe we’ve seen the best of him 2 seasons ago. Again he wouldn’t be starting for any top teams in my option. There’s not much more to be said about him really.

Hojlund has potential but for me will never be a 20 plus a season striker. I could be completely wrong and I feel for the lad because his work rate is good but the expectation on his shoulders to be our talisman is massive at such a young age.
A bit like Dalot and Herrera before he seems to love the club and wearing the badge but that’s not enough. We need top level elite players if we’re to challenge the top teams.

On the bench we’ve got Antony, Zirkzee and Amad.
Only Amad seems to have the potential to be a top player but even he is yet to really prove his worth. Hopefully Amorim can bring the best out of him.
Amad and Zirkzee are young and again the expectations on them are massive but playing for United should come with big pressure and expectation.
Antony needs to go for whatever fee we can get for him.

All in all, if I was Amorim, that would be the area of the pitch I’d be looking to improve over the next 2 transfer windows.
Against Chelsea we created enough chances to win the game but our front 3 cost us by being indecisive and laboured in the final 3rd.

2toms

1.) 04 Nov 2024 12:45:13
Can't argue any of that. Garnacho was awful.


2.) 04 Nov 2024 12:48:49
2toms, I've been banging on about getting Rashford out for months and I think he is a massive problem. If you were a player you'd be looking at him and thinking ''He doesn't have to graft, work hard and perform well yet is still getting the rewards of starting every week so I won't bother'' or ''He doesn't work hard, perform or graft yet still gets picked ahead of me so I don't stand a chance''!

I really think he needs removing from the squad for a period of time and ideally sold. I saw a side of Garnacho yesterday that I did not enjoy and that was a petulance every time something didn't work out (which was more often than not for him yesterday) I'm not blaming Rashford for this but 6 months ago when Garnacho lost possession he was head down and getting back to win it or at least help, didn't happen once yesterday.

Currently we are not playing great football so what we need to do is work a lot harder than the opposition but that isn't happening. Under SAF not only was the team the best footballers in the league they were the hardest working team in the league too. City have also done that this last 6/ 7 years as have Liverpool.

Zirkee bothers me a little bit as his demeanour reminds me a little bit of Martial. I'm not saying he is like him but he comes on the pitch and moves around like he's not that bothered and it doesn't look good. Hopefully I'm wrong on that with him.


3.) 04 Nov 2024 13:01:21
Nobody really comes out looking well at this club at the moment.

I see garnacho, zirkzee, Rashford talking pelters. But at this current point in time, we are a poor team and none of the players are coming off well.


4.) 04 Nov 2024 13:43:38
We were fairly solid at the back. Onana hardly had a save to make even if Chelsea had a period when they were on top. We created more good opportunities than they did. Garnacho was his usual wasteful self. They hit the post, Rashford hit the bar. Bruno has to be one of the worst free kick takers. One goal in the Carabao - thanks to a deflection - his first since 2020/ 1. But it's not just shooting, it's also the failure to make the killer pass.

So, yes, the inescapable conclusion is that our forwards are not good enough. Is it because they're young, too excitable in front of goal, a psychological burden to overcome, or simply deficient in talent, is yet to be established. That will be one of the puzzles the new manager will have to resolve, because, quite frankly, if we took more of our good chances, despite everything else going on, we would not be in 13th position today, we would be top 6. The reason Ten Hag is gone is that we don't score enough goals, and if that doesn't change then Amorim will not last either. The best teams take their chances, particularly at key moments in the game. We have no one right now who has the cojones needed to do that.


5.) 04 Nov 2024 16:13:59
We lead the league or the worst team in the league for taking our chances. Very frustrating to watch and how wasteful and brain dead stuff. Can't ask our defenders for more tbh. Chelsea hardly had a great chance.


Sporting are playing city tomm or wednesday and granted city is missing quite a few players but still have enough quality and should be a good watch.


6.) 04 Nov 2024 16:17:23
How come i am the only one who hasn't seen anything so special with Amad. He really doesn't deserve the hype. Just because Antony isn't doing anything dossnt automatically mean that Amad is good.


7.) 04 Nov 2024 17:05:22
I was the first on here years ago to out Rashford and got dogs abuse

I don’t rate Garnacho either but he can learn as still only young but I don’t see it personally

Zirkzee i'm afraid is absolutely useless I went early on this one after the second game. I honestly think he is the worst striker I’ve seen at Old Trafford even worse than Birtles Brazil and Davenport.


8.) 04 Nov 2024 18:28:51
Just hope that whatever special sauce Amorim has been feeding Gyökeres can do the same for Hjoland. I feel they’re physically similar, and that rather than being a superstar the Swede is profiting from Sporting’s tactics coupled with playing a pretty poor league overall. I doubt he’d have anywhere near the same joy against many Prem backlines.
Gotta agree on Zirkzee, hugely underwhelming but noone is coating themselves in glory atm.


9.) 04 Nov 2024 18:30:23
I would like to judge all our players after the team as a whole has been properly coached. I think it will take time but once there has been proper coaching and a template of what the manager wants is drawn up and implemented then we will really be able to see who is good enough or needs to leave.

I think Garnacho will mature and be good enough.

Marcus definitely has the potential and shown what he is acapbale of but unless his personal issues can be cleared up it's unlikely we will see his best form. That said there has been a definite improvement from him recently (yes I know from a low level)


10.) 04 Nov 2024 19:14:22
I don't worry too much about our young players, yes they have lots of work to do to improve but that's what young players basically what young players are. Raw and unfinished.

The older players don't concern me as such because I think we are moving away from the model of overpaid underperformed types.
It's going to take 3 years for time and contracts to move all of these on.

I know that many people won't accept and think there will be a quick turnaround, I don't I think we are looking at 3 to 4 years to challenge and Berrada talked of mounting a challenge in 2028 for a reason. This year will just be a bedding in of a system and decision making on who will make it from the squad. Ee will then see players coming and going each year and youth who one assumes will be schooled in the new system to help them develop and transition and hopefully provide a number of the 2018 squad thereby meaning there is less outlay.


11.) 05 Nov 2024 05:09:43
Blackpool

Have to disagree and I rate all 3. Its not working at the moment and needs changing but as players lot's of talent there.


12.) 05 Nov 2024 09:16:51
Zirkzee is awful. He looks like someone that should be playing semi pro football. I’d imagine he will be shipped back out fairly quickly.


13.) 05 Nov 2024 10:27:33
Is Zirkzee another of George Whea's brothers?

Apparently ETH did not want him, it was Ashworth and Wilcox, as they thought he represented good value for money!

Under the new regime, looks like we are doing our shopping at Aldi and certainly not in Harrods.

I live quite close to an INEOS plant and know several people who work there and they all very critical of the penny pinching by SJR and the lower quality that the miserly approach to business leads to.

To me looks like Utd are going down the same road.


14.) 05 Nov 2024 13:27:14
Rashford has had two decent seasons 19/ 20 and 22/ 23. How his form or return warranted that latest contract is mind blowing. For the sake of his career he needs a change, he’s probably our most valuable asset and we need cash. I think it’s better for everyone if he moves on. His work rate without the ball is almost non existent.

Garnacho needs coaching, he’s clearly extremely talented. Hopefully Amorim can get the best out of him. The question is where he plays in Amorims system, if he play the wingback role he is going to have to work incredibly hard getting up and down the flank. A bit like Rashford he needs to shoot less.

Hojlund had the best shot conversion rate in the league last year I believe. He makes good runs, unfortunately, he gets no service. The 3 players behind him all tend to shoot from distance, one thing is for sure if Amorim uses his 3-4-3 system Hojlund will get way more chances to shoot, which from his conversion rate stats from last season would suggest he will score a lot of goals.

If you look at the shots per 90 stats, the three players behind the striker lead the stats by a considerable distance. The assist stats for those positions are criminally low. In 10 starts Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho have 4 assists between them. The two 10’s in Amorim’s system have 11 assists.


15.) 05 Nov 2024 20:02:12
For me, we have absolutely no creativity in our team, apart from Bruno. And when he's not on it, we struggle.
Our forwards are exactly that. Forwards. Rashford, Anthony and Garnacho's first instinct is to run, cut in and shoot. How many assists do any of them get?

You look at Salah and Diaz, or whoever plays wide on any given day for City, and they're always trying to get the ball to their striker. Rasmussen feeds on scraps. Usually a miscued shot from any of the above is his best chance of getting a go at goal.

At least Amad, for all I don't think he's capable of being a starter for us going forward, looks to create things.


16.) 05 Nov 2024 20:24:49
Yep, Impossible to tell how good hoijland is this line up. I personally really like him he has the build and attitude. Rash and Garnacho though were really poor against Chelsea. Can’t see either of them fitting into a front 3. Fernandez isn’t good enough either at 10. Can see all three being surplus to requirements if we can find buyers.


 

 

02 Sep 2024 08:27:22
Ten Hag - "It's not like I am Harry Potter"
No mate, you're Manchester United manager. You're paid to set up your team to at least be competitive.

2toms

1.) 02 Sep 2024 08:50:54
And it will take months to get Ugarte up to speed. What?


2.) 02 Sep 2024 08:55:47
That ungrateful comment was awful. Rumours he didn’t want him so that might be the case. But like last year when he didn’t play amrabat in his proper position until he had no other option. Mans sounding more and more delusional.


3.) 02 Sep 2024 09:28:54
That should have read ugarte not ungrateful ?.


4.) 02 Sep 2024 09:56:37
I don’t think he’ll last til the end of October
What do they actually do in training all week
He’s not to blame blamed fully but some of his decisions are baffling
Rashford and Casemiro should of been told they had no future at the club
Onana woeful and I’m going early on this one Zirkzee will be lucky to score 8 goals 6’4 looks soft slow and poor touch great for a striker.


5.) 02 Sep 2024 10:07:40
He is more negative than he has kept our goal difference. Out of his depth and drowning in his own poisonous world of negativity and excuses.
Com man. Conned the board conned some very gullible fans with his nonsense. Not the worst manager we have had because he carried a bit of luck but he is definitely not a man to be trusted.


6.) 02 Sep 2024 10:46:11
He’s a dead man walking, the fans forced the club to keep him after the cup final win but the goodwill won’t last long and they will cut their losses sooner than later if we continue like yesterday.

In fairness, we were actually better than the 2-2 against them last year where we hardly touched the ball but the individual errors and issues with the setup have been there for 2 years and he hasn’t fixed any of them and therefore needs to go.

I’d give Zirkzee more than 1 start against Liverpool before writing him off, looks like a good player to me and the positive is that he was in the positions to get the chances and that we created them, last season we failed to create many chances, hopefully Hojlund hits the ground running after the break and Zirkzee can slowly build his way into the team.


7.) 02 Sep 2024 11:01:47
Sounded like ETH didn’t want Ugarte, wanted to keep McT instead. Rumours suggested Wilcox overruled ETH and that would explain the ridiculous Harry Potter and months comment. Months to retrain a top player to play like an Ajax player more like. ETH gave McT plenty of chances and he was never a DM.
Very worrying comments from ETH, who seems no nearer than last season to getting it anywhere near right.


8.) 02 Sep 2024 12:30:08
Will only be one winner if that’s true Redman. The new hierarchy are here to stay.


9.) 02 Sep 2024 12:34:53
He may not be Harry Potter but he made 40,000 fans disappear in a flash!


10.) 02 Sep 2024 12:57:12
Surely if he really wanted McT instead of Ugarte he'd have played McT in the holding role at any point? They are completely different players.


11.) 02 Sep 2024 13:00:13
Not Harry Potter? He's not even Neville Longbottom.


12.) 02 Sep 2024 13:10:14
Wazza did a runner just in time??.


13.) 02 Sep 2024 14:28:42
I still don’t understand why he was kept on in the first place. His constant excuses are beyond ridiculous.


14.) 02 Sep 2024 14:38:56
Because of idiots like goldbridge stirring the fans up. He is the nigel farrage of the football world and dumb supporters follow him like sheep. Only have ourselves to blame ineos should have stuck with their instincts and not listened to idiots like goldbridge and anybody else sucked in by a very lucky fa cup win last season. the evidence was there. But they got conned by idiot del boy ierh.


15.) 02 Sep 2024 14:53:09
Watch the full interview and not what people take as headlines. we will be just fine and the hate brigade out in full force.

If people want to be honest about it, so many players did quite poorly yesterday, Bruno and Cas with some basic passes and obviously the howlers. We lost the physical one on ones battles, they were faster, more mobile and more physical than we are. Even with that most of it was self inflicted by some simple stuff a player should not do. They are human and will make mistakes.

Unfortunately people will resort to being mean and throw mud at players for one game and want the whole lot are thrown under the bus. Some of fans are so toxic. Two weeks ago we had bought the next best thing in Zirksee, Today they are slagging him online in various forums being rubbish. And no Onana could not do anything about the goals they had 3 shots on goal and all were perfect so don't hate the keeper but some here will have to direct it at someone so why not onana lol

Fickle and unhinged emotional people to the fact that it takes time for new players to settle down, fitness, routines and getting used to playing in a new team. Players like evra, vidic, carrick would have never made it at united the way the some of the fans behave.

This will probably not get posted but why not.


16.) 02 Sep 2024 15:16:40
Onana was awful for 3rd goal standing in middle of the goal unable to move his feet. 2nd goal he was slow down to it. He is a poor keeper and his distribution was poor.
Poor system poorly implemented poorly coached.
Liverpool were on the same usa tour and look fitter.
Poor methods and poor motivation.


17.) 02 Sep 2024 15:34:13
I think it's a bit of double standards ahmad. You speak I'll of the players you dislike so when others do it about the manager or other players they are being big meanies and being rude. Your worse than ieth lol???.


18.) 02 Sep 2024 15:46:13
If he was Harry Potter he could at least disappear!


19.) 02 Sep 2024 16:58:09
Ahmad will never admit that iETH is wrong. Everyone can be faulted but never iETH in his eyes. I don't understand why there is that much blind support. Are you iETH yourself buddy? ?

You do realize that only Rashford, Bruno and Dalot were the players that preceded iETH era and yet you blame the players and their ability. Who signed them, who plays them, who sets tactics for them, who should be punishing them etc?


20.) 02 Sep 2024 17:49:51
I have to agree with Ahmad on this one. I don’t see how anybody can criticize the players when they’re not being properly coached.

Why on earth should they give 100% when the manager had already written off this season before a ball had even been kicked and blames all of his mistakes on just about everything and everyone but himself? Even if they do try, the manager’s just going to pick his favorites anyway despite them underperforming each and every week.

Motivation. Accountability. Teamwork. Winning mentality. These are all things that have to come from the top. All Ten Haag brings is excuses and negativity, while picking fights with any players who dare to question his lack of desire and favoritism. Slowly but surely, though, all of his excuses are being taken away, at which point he’ll need to deliver or will be out of the door.


21.) 02 Sep 2024 18:47:47
Tumble

There is a big difference between saying bruno had a poor game to get rid, waste of money blah blah. There will be no players left as its generally the same script. we lost, let's see who we can blame, they are sh. t, get rid. pick a week and you lot after a defeat want half gone. You lack the basic understanding of what a rebuild is and growing pains. Clamoring for the managers head, you will be embarrassed again as it did not go your way last time and neither will it this time, bank on that.

Please find post were I have thrown mud at players. We are very different type of fans.

I think antony was the wrong buy and we should have bought kudus when most did not even know who he was and sancho is a lazy, entitled, overrated brat who never showed any respect for the club or the badge. I stick by that view all day.


22.) 02 Sep 2024 19:20:45
Ahmed, point out one post where anyone has called Joshua Zirkzee the ‘next best thing’? He’s pretty underwhelming from all I’ve seen, which isn’t much.


23.) 02 Sep 2024 20:08:19
Ahmad, you are the same as everybody else you are not above anybody else you are no better a supporter than anybody else. Maybe you think you are but you are not.


24.) 02 Sep 2024 22:34:13
Why do I keep thinking of the black knight from Holy Grail?


25.) 03 Sep 2024 00:15:40
Tumble they spoke to tucel and couldn’t get him so ten hag stayed not because they listened to the clown that is gold bridge

There were no managers available.

They didn’t renew his deal either then just activated the clause already in his contract.


26.) 03 Sep 2024 04:16:32
Spenno

The guy has had one full game and being integrated into a new team, system and team. When fans start the social media toxicity how does that help a new player and this is not about you, where is the human side of any of this. Easy to be mean and derogatory when people are hiding behind a computer screen.

Getting on players backs constantly achieves nothing imo and only makes it harder. its okay to say someone had a poor game but not constantly carry that forward against them no matter what they do next which is what a lot of people do, its almost begrudging them for the past and not what's ahead.


27.) 03 Sep 2024 08:17:03
Why is saying a player is not good enough being mean? What is this, a playpark? Grow a pair, I'm sure he's a lovely person. Yours is not the only opinion here.


28.) 03 Sep 2024 08:22:57
Calling Sancho a 'lazy, entitled, overrated brat' would surely hurt the lad's feelings, shame on you!


 

 

16 Aug 2024 16:13:42
The seasons back. We've all got our expert opinions on who we should/ shouldn't sign but who cares now. At the end of the day, we all love the game so let's enjoy the rollercoaster we'll no doubt be on all season and hopefully Eric and the boys can produce some decent moments for us all. Come on United. 3-1 tonight I reckon.

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1.) 16 Aug 2024 16:45:54
I'm feeling quite positive about the coming season, I have faith that the new regime will at least get us competing like a team again.
On that, I expect us to start tonight with:
Onana, Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Mazraoui, Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno, Amad, Garnacho and Rashford.

I actually think it'll be 2-2. Smith-Rowe should do very well at Fulham and will probably begin by tormenting us.


2.) 16 Aug 2024 17:40:55
Good post mate ? I'm wildly optimistic like I am at the start of every season ? 4-0 United.


3.) 16 Aug 2024 18:57:26
We won't won the cl but should win the other 4.


4.) 17 Aug 2024 07:33:10
Good win and perfect start. I was pleasantly surprised by some of things we did and work in progress and we will get a lot better imo once players are match fit and have gotten used to playing together . Its clear many of the players are not match fit or sharp and it will take a few weeks before we really get a glimpse of our capability.

Got a glimpse of our signings and could not be happier. Mazraui is very solid and very clever and cagey. I think we will see a lot more once him and Garnacho are fitter and they are running down that channel and build up some comfort with each other.

Not having seen much of Zirksee, I was surprised how good his first touch is and its a steal at what we paid for him. We have bought really well and he is going to be some player imo.

I know many here don't like rash but for his sake and ours as a team, I hope he gets on the scoresheet soon with a few goals. Rashy on form will only benefit us and I am a fan of his.

Couple of things we need to fix is when we are pushing players up to win a game, we look quite open and have to do better than leaving ourselves that exposed.

Looking forward to watching todays games having bagged 3 points.
GGMU.


 

 

04 Aug 2024 16:21:31
Rumour is Bayern want £60m for De Ligt and Mazraoui. That doesn't seem too bad a deal to me.

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1.) 04 Aug 2024 18:31:30
I would think something closer to 50M would be ideal for us. We have to penny pinch and be smart because we don't have that much money to throw around. The difference could get us Ugarte on loan or even buy Amrabat.


2.) 05 Aug 2024 17:29:33
I'd rather not sign them at all. How many players have Bayern sold who went on to play as well or better than they did at Bayern?

Bayern don't sell players they know to be worth it, especially not for bargain fees.

Mazraoui looks the right sort of player, but has a horrific injury record.

MdL doesn't look like the right profile of CB for what we need, will be on massive wages and has a suspect injury record himself.

I'd never buy from Bayern again unless they want to give us a refund on Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger.


3.) 06 Aug 2024 04:11:22
What if we went for Davies, Kimmich or Alaba? All players that are likely to leave or have left against the wishes of Bayern?


 

 

21 Jul 2024 17:43:41
Anyone else think that we might have a very good striker in Joe Hugill. He has featured in the last couple of pre seasons and his finishing is decent.
I expect he could play some cup matches this season.

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1.) 21 Jul 2024 19:52:05
The issue with Hugill is that he is exclusively a goal scorer, albeit a very good one, he does not really get involved with any other aspects of the game. If you are creating plenty of opportunities it's fine, but given our service to the striker he might need to expand his game somewhat.

Having said that no reason why he should not get a chance to show what he can do, he is almost 21 so something needs to start happening for him.


2.) 21 Jul 2024 20:04:04
Possibly time will tell think he needs to add strength. Thought Wheatley looked decent nice flick on then was found with a pass and could easily have scored on another day obviously without the goal hugill got but for me looked ahead in terms of development. Still encouraging, and also the possibility of the arsenal youngster joining.


3.) 21 Jul 2024 20:23:15
Too early to say.


4.) 22 Jul 2024 06:18:53
Unfortunately for players like Hugill and McNeill, they were very good at youth level, but found the transition to senior football difficult.

They will have a decent career in football, but probably Championship is their ceiling.


5.) 22 Jul 2024 07:56:12
McNeill has signed for Wednesday so a god chance for him to knuckle down in a tough league and kick on.

Wheatley looked neat and tidy for Utd, has a good chance. As per comments above, at almost 21, Hugill needs to start kicking on now with a good loan and get some proper league experience.


6.) 22 Jul 2024 09:50:27
Neither hugil or Whalton will be at the club in 18 months.
Neither will play 50 games for united imo.


7.) 22 Jul 2024 10:51:51
Hugill looks like a decent young player, but unless he has a rapid burst in his development he won't make it at United.

Like McNeil he needs to go somewhere to play regularly now and show what he can do.

Wheatley looks to have jumped ahead of him in the pecking order despite being nearly three years younger.

I think it's too soon to say whether Wheatley will make it, although the odds are against him, especially with the club signing Højlund and Zirkzee in the last two summer windows. Two young strikers who are head of him and if successful won't be going anywhere anytime soon. While we typically tend to play with just the one striker.

So Wheatley will have to both do something special AND probably have to see one of Højlund or Zirkzee not make it at the club to work his way into the team.

While we are apparently looking at signing a 16 year old striker from Arsenal to keep the production line going.


8.) 22 Jul 2024 18:34:56
Looks like he’s off on loan, along with Vitek.


 

 

 

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28 Oct 2024 19:51:29
Looks like he’ll be here sooner than everyone thought and the board are willing to pay £8.3m release clause.

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31 Aug 2024 13:07:42
Was there any genuine interest in Eriksen and Casemiro ed002?

I can understand why we wouldn’t have any takers for Antony, he’s garbage and his wages are far too high for his standard. I think we’ll be seeing some imaginative deal like the Sancho one in the next couple of windows to try and shift him on.

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{Ed002's Note - Casemiro (DM) Manchester United would be willing to let him leave but will take a huge loss. Michael Emenalo spoke of him as one option for Saudi clubs but will be concerned about persistent injuries but MU will be hoping for a call before Monday, or an offer from Turkey - but both options seem unlikely.

Christian Eriksen (AM) The player has a contract until 2025 but was available for sale. Interest of Real Betis in a loan was rejected as the club wanted a sale.}


 

 

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24 Jun 2024 18:12:52
Bit ignorant of me but can someone fill me in? What was Ruud like as manager? I didn’t see any of his reign in the Dutch league. What would he bring to the table?

And to answer your question Grim, Ruud was the best natural goal scorer but Cole is my favourite. Always questioned during his time and will always be remembered for the misses against West Ham when Blackburn won the league. One of the best in that era though.

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02 Jun 2024 20:53:55
We’re not getting anywhere near that amount for Fernandes Wallace.

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25 May 2024 20:48:26
He’s the spit of Greenwood. Fantastic talent.

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16 Oct 2024 22:12:38
Gary Neville - ‘ there were some outstanding English candidates’ then goes on to say ‘we’re in a rut as English coaches’.

The blokes a knob. We’ve had an Italian and Swede in charge of our national team. It’s not a new thing.

I couldn’t care less if we have a foreign coach. Tuchel came across respectful and honest in his first press conference. If he’s the man to get us winning major trophies then I’m all for it.

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15 Oct 2024 18:22:50
More worrying is that this is out in the open. Hopefully it’s just media bollocks. If not Thomas Frank will be rubbing his hands together and prepping Bryan Mbeumo to run riot down Brentford’s right hand side.

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09 Oct 2024 21:04:14
Ork, what if they’re in talks with someone else to take over but it’s not quite over the line yet. They wouldn’t come out and back Twn Hag, equally they wouldn’t announce his departure until they had their desired replacement.
Who knows what went on in that meeting.

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30 Sep 2024 20:18:21
Simeone not Filippo I’d hope?

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04 Sep 2024 17:42:38
Danny, this is what has baffled me all along. He uses the word dynamic which I’m guessing means counter attacking, but completely fails to control a game. I genuinely don’t remember the last time I saw us control a game comfortably.
It’s like we’re so dynamic, our shape and sense of positioning goes to s**t as soon as we lose the ball. Which is often!

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