11 Jul 2016 06:02:51
Can't believe people buying into the hype about Pogba. still backing him and wanting him at all costs! His agent, the media and few of our very own fans have helped fire that hype even further. Some even calling him as one of the best in his position, really? He doesn't warrant the price tag mentioned and a long way off being considered as one of the best midfielders.
I would totally agree with the centiments of some other posters who have questioned "why other big clubs are not after him, if he was that good". If reports of RM having stepped back from a deal for Pogba is true, it says a lot about the real value of the player and RM do not think he is worth the cost, although in general they pay over the top to get a player they deem as excellent. Many fans just want to sign him at 100m to get one over RM or tell the world that we are the biggest club on the planet. just crazy thinking.
For the money we are willing to spend on Pogba, we should be getting the finished article and not someone who everyone assumes would become a world beater in a couple of years time. So, when he left United, he was considered a player with a lot of potential and talent and would become a fantastic player and even after 5 or more years, he is still only considered to be a talent who could be the best in 3 years time?
So, when will his talent/ potential outshine his overhyped profile? And even if he fulfills his potential and then RM come calling - we sell him and once again search for another midfield player or hope some young player comes through or in desperation go out once again and throw crazy money at clubs for the next potential WC player.
And it's not just about the money for Pogba but, also the extra baggage he would bring, not to mention his greedy and noisy agent. Also, it might have a very bad influence on some of our talented and over ambitious younger players who might as well start looking at the 'Pogba way' as the path to success and we might end up losing a few talented gems of our own.
I would rather go out and spend that money wisely on 2 quality CM players and strengthen other key areas in the team. Many would argue that there are not many attainable or not good enough but, if we are willing to throw crazy money at clubs then we are more than capable of getting closer to what we want. I think rather get Matuidi and maybe another young potential CM to add to the squad.
11 Jul 2016 07:03:50
Please tell me who these midfielders are who are currently lot better than him, he is one of the best midfielders around the world on par with likes of kroos, verratti etc. and it is not just hype my friend, this over hyped player will walk into first 11 of any team in the world be it barca, real, atletico or bayern. I have never heard of someone who is so overrated but will walk into the above mentioned team's first 11, if there is someone like that do enlighten me.
If messi comes up for sale tommorow, there are only 4 clubs who can afford to get involved, i suppose he is average too, i mean if messi is such great a player there should be more clubs involved right. But seriously with 100mn or so as the price there are only some clubs that can get involved in the pogba race.
PSG have a mf of verratti, matuidi, motta, Krychowiak, Rabiot, Pastore. Why would they even need pogba, if utd had the above mf i would question mourinho's and woodward's sanity trying to go for pogba.
Barcelona have money issues, their wage structure since the MSN signings is a big problem, it is a tad difficult to buy big players if u don't have money to spend on them.
City aren't interested in pogba, if media reports are to be believed they want kroos, they have cl football to offer which we don't right now, and according to the media he rejected us the last time for madrid, people don't want pogba because we are supposedly not his first choice, but want us to sign kroos when we might not be kroos's either.
Chelsea wanted pogba when mourinho was manager, i have no clue why they are not involved u should ask that to ed002, he/ she might know.
Real backed away citing financial reasons, not because they think player is over hyped.
Can u please elaborate on this extra baggage u talk about, pogba has always been respectful towards utd and he has mostly complained about fergie using park and rafael in mf and bring scholes out of retirement rather than him and whatever the circumstances if i were in is place i would be unhappy about it too if i were him, i haven't heard of any training or behaviour issues surrounding him, if u have do tell. I agree with u on the greedy agent part to an extent, while agents especially ones like mendes and raiola can be viewed as parasites, they are part of the system and we have to live with it, but he isn't as worse as media report him to be that is mostly madrid and balague pushing their agendas also one of the eds said that the whole 30% of the fees stuff is rubbish and unsubstantiated and he will mostly be taking what a agent normally earns in any transfer deal.
We seem to be interested in matuidi, with likes of fellaini and even likes schweinsteiger leaving we might sign him as their replacement, so it could be matuidi and pogba rather than either or. People mostly moan about money being spent on him, but what i will never understand is why, it is not our money, he isn't some average joe we are overpaying for, if the club and the manager deem him good enough to spend such amount what is the issue with fans.
11 Jul 2016 07:39:45
Love it that a certain amount of fans don't want him because he had a average Euro's, I guess you guys would rather have Fellaini or Schweinstger in the midfield instead, Pogba going to be one of the best players in a few years, it just feel fantastic that we are finally acting like a big team once again and actually beating Real Madrid to a player, could it be the start of the changing in guards in were the best go.
11 Jul 2016 08:06:14
What is it that makes Pogba the best midfielder in the world?
Is he the best passer? Does he score 20+ goals a season? Does he dictate the tempo? Is he a leader who improves those around him? Is it something else?
11 Jul 2016 08:23:13
Agreed! He is on another level than our current midfielders, so I don't get why people are moaning about the price. Is it coming out of your pockets? If it helps you sleep at night, just tell yourself we spent 130 million on Micki, Zlatan, and pogba. Sounds a bit better. :-)
11 Jul 2016 08:28:34
i have never said he is the best midfielder in the world, rather one of the best, 20 goals a season, we haven't had a striker in last few seasons doing that consistently and pogba was the top assist maker in serie A last season and was only behind pjanic as top scoring midfielder.
11 Jul 2016 09:19:39
CSM - you got to be kidding me "one of the best midfielders around the world", no way. He has the potential to become one of the best midfielders, not one yet. To become the best at the top level, you need to be consistent and especially for the price tag as a midfielder, you would expect someone who is dominant/ controls that midfield for the majority of matches and has been a standout performer over the years.
So, PSG buy Krychowiak rather than Pogba and "City aren't interested in Pogba, if media reports are to be believed they want kroos" so, Guardiola rates Kroos highly than Pogba or doesn't think he is worth that much? And RM backed out because he is not worth the money Juve are asking for, simple as that. So, what does that make of us chasing Pogba?
"pogba has always been respectful towards utd and he has mostly complained about fergie using park and rafael in mf and bring scholes out of retirement rather than him" so, is it ok for any young potential player coming through, who thinks he is something and demand a place in the first team straight out. Pogba simply didn't have the patience or the dedication to prove himself to one of the best managers in the game and just complied with his greedy agent's request to move on. He simply didn't warrant a starting spot in the first team just because he thought he was ready.
And people arguing about not to moan about the price tag/ money, I agree that it's none of my business and the club can spend as they seem fit and they certainly do know better. "he isn't some average joe we are overpaying for", certainly not but, neither he is world class. Only a few players might probably warrant something closer to that price tag, like a Griezmann or Bale, etc. because they offer so much more. Imagine what the price tag would be for players such as Messi or Ronaldo. Just crazy.
11 Jul 2016 09:31:31
After what i have seen during the euros and especially last night i would have sanches over pogba in a heartbeat. At 18 he has real potential.
11 Jul 2016 09:47:21
It's Jose who is pulling out all the stops to get Pogba. He is the one who wants him so bad he has instructed Ed to do all he can to get him. He doesn't care what Pogba said about United in the past or the circumstances around why he left. He wants him for what he can bring to Jose's team.
Let's give Jose credit for having the success he's had to know what he's doing.
I agree he does not dictate games enough and can go missing but looks like it's happening so let's see.
RebelRed.
11 Jul 2016 10:47:32
Krychowiak is a dm, pogba is more box to box, both are different type of midfielders, its like comparing between iniesta and gattuso. Again kroos is not a box to box midfielder and where has guardiola said he rates higher than kroos just shows that pep thinks kroos fits his style of play better than pogba.
Also do use the search function, pogba was gone the minute he signed with raiola not because raiola pushed but rather fergie did, and in what world is bringing a retired mf out of retirement rather than playing a young academy kid who anybody who saw him projected him to be world class in future a smart thing, he did expect to be played ahead other established mf, he expected to be played ahead of a rb, a winger and a retired player.
On price once again it is not crazy it is where the market is, chelsea bought a highly rated kid for 33mn, real spent 70mn on a player who had a good worldcup 2 years ago, we spent 37mn on a kid nobody knew about last season, you want big player u pay big money, as simple as that.
11 Jul 2016 11:02:29
LetsPlay! United and every wailing moaner out there bickering about Pogba not being up there for it, not worth the money or hype I have a question for you all:
"Are you the manager? "
If you are not then can you please quit the bitching and let Mourinho do his thing? Thanks.
You guys come up with the most puzzling of excuses for your arguments makes me wonder if you'll have an idea why somethings happen in world football or not.
Let's start with the argument about Kroos, Kyrchowiak and co. Did Mr Mourinho ask for Kroos but the management insisted on Pogba? Did you guys for a moment stop to think that Mourinho wants to play a style of football that Pogba will suit and perfect but Kroos won't? As to Guardiola going for Kroos rather than Pogba, did you ever think that Pogba might not suit his plans? - we all know the type of players Pep likes and Kroos is definitely on the list. Similarly with Unai and Krychowiak at PSG.
For those saying Real Madrid backed out because the Pogba isn't worth the money quoted, I say you are dead wrong. Madrid backed out because they don't have the funds and need to sell to buy, hell if not for FFP, Bankia Santander would have purchased Pogba for Madrid before the euros. I don't know if you guys are abreast of happenings but if you aren't just know that there are players Madrid put in the market like Benzema, James, Isco etc. You'll be shocked because if Madrid could get buyers for those players today, they'll definitely wrap up Pogba by tomorrow.
You should all know that Mourinho will definitely have a backup plan for each of the players on his A-list and that backup might not even be your lovely Mr Kroos.
About making a statement, yes it is imperative for a club to flex its financial muscle once in a while not just to show its financial clout to the world or its rivals but also to reiterate its position as a powerhouse which will in turn make it an attractive partner not only for other big players but also companies or entities that will like to partner on a commercial level - all the commercial successes we've been having together with our large fanbase did you guys stop to think that we need a player that will be a household name? Someone that will sell shirts and further magnify the club's image in turn also benefit its commercial partners. Ask yourself why the Chevrolet or Adidas deals are being muted as pushing for a marquee signing and part financing it in ways acceptable by FFP?
Now tell me who better than Pogba? Did I hear Kyrchowiak? Kroos? Kante? Matuidi? Sanches? Xhaka? Ramsey?
Someone was saying the money financing deals come from tickets, merchandise etc. Tsk tsk tsk, I say where goes commercial revenue? What of the TV deal? I would rather that money spent on your Pogbas and Martials rather than the owners smiling to the bank - though I'm not averse to owners making profits because it's a business model and what is expected.
Now a manager has given the club a list of personnel he requires and the club wants to get them at all cost because success is the watchword here. Why are you guys fretting?
I say take a chill pill and enjoy the ride. We've been in chains for the past three+ years and I for one am itching to taste success once more and more and more. just like the old times.
11 Jul 2016 11:32:54
How many goals and assists do all these 'better' midfielders get anyway?
11 Jul 2016 07:25:55
Not undermining your opinion and I do feel that the cost of Pogba may be a bit high. Having said that, I don't feel Real pulling out of a deal due to the cost is anything to do with the quality of the player. The same Real pulled out of De Gea deal for the cost. Now please don't tell me that he is not the best around.
And moreover its not our money. Its the club's money and if they think that he is worth it then he definitely is.
Some of the posters who have been here long enough would remember such posters who used to blame the Glazers for not spending. Now that they are doing it, they are being crucified for it.
11 Jul 2016 12:32:22
Super reply Yaz. Totally nailed it. My feelings exactly.
11 Jul 2016 13:00:36
Yaz: I believe we are all letting Jose do his thing. Are you telling me Jose spends his time reading our opinions and tells Woodward that not all the fans are in agreement over our potential signings and so the plans he has made over the past months are put on hold indefinitely?
Last time I checked this was a banter page and everyone's opinions are valid. I'm pretty sure differing opinions are a prerequisite for banter. So why you think you can tell people with a different opinion to you to stop posting I'm not sure.
If Real sell players they may well bid for Pogba and they'd probably get him. But I guarantee you they would not pay £100m plus £25m in agents fees. Ed002 has said as much on the European pages.
Personally if I were Jose I would spend £100m+ differently, I think there is better value out there. However Jose knows far more about football than I ever will. That doesn't mean Jose will be right every time or that I will be wrong every time.
11 Jul 2016 13:41:47
For the fees being quoted, I'd go and get Ramsey, say £35m, Dele Alli, say £35 leaving £30m for another defender? Lindelof maybe?
I know EVERYONE what's Pogba but £100m+, no thanks!
He done the dirty once, who's to say in a couple of years he wants Madrid?
Would also up our British player quoter, which can only be a good thing?
11 Jul 2016 14:08:06
Who said that Ramsay and Alli want to leave?
11 Jul 2016 14:53:20
They may not, but if the club accepts the offer, what choice does the player have? Knowing the club were willing to sell him? That would certainly pi££ me off!