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09 Aug 2018 21:05:13
The arrogance, naivety and complacency have returned to haunt us once again.

This windows spending has been significantly curtailed just as we started to build some momentum towards assembling a side capable of challenging for the title. This was the window to profligate not consolidate.

I've maintained all along that the board are only interested in top 4 finishes and don't see the need to overspend chasing titles when the brand is doing just fine without them.

The irony to this sad story can be seen shining like a huge beacon of hope twinkling like the North Star high above Anfield. Mr Kloop, the self proclaimed saviour of football
once ridiculed Utd for signing Pogba and accused us of ruining football. He said he'd call it a day before paying such extraordinary fees and stated he longed to do things differently. In fact he professed he wouldn't spend the money even if it was available. Strong words indeed. A man of honour and principle in a world of sharks and obscene extravagance. Since his philosophic scripture he's broken the transfer records for a defender and a goalkeeper in less than 6 months. Just let that sink it. It would appear the penny has finally dropped with Mr Klopp. Honour and Principles do not win titles. Maybe he is the one now ruining football? Of course not he's merely changed his mantra. If you can't beat them join them. Liverpool have built on their success of last season we've just screeched to a dramatic stop.

Don't be fooled the team that spends the most money predominantly wins the titles. An man even as principled as Mr Kloop gets it, why don't our board or even some of our fans?

No doubt I'll get some stick for this post, be told we've spent millions but I say to those people WHY shouldn't we and if we want to WIN it's an absolute necessity. Has Pep transformed City using charisma alone? I reiterate If Mr Kloop now gets it why don't we?

We are the second most valuable sports brand in the world. We have the highest turnover in world football. This money is generated by our fans why shouldn't we expect for it to be invested back into the Club?

The Glazers will not bring the glory days back to Old Trafford. We now await the next messiah, the next genius, the next great man capable of doing what others can't. Guess what we could be in for a long wait.

DLIB

1.) 09 Aug 2018 22:26:30
One dodgy window and we’re doomed. Pogba was a world record, Sanchez is probably the top earner in the EPL, big money has been spent. If we’d bought Sandro would that have made things OK? I think he’s dodgy. How about Maguire? £50M for a defender who can’t defend. The club coughed up for Bailly and then Lindelof, both of whom it seems are now not good enough. How many CBs do we buy before we thInk about developing the ones we have.

The odd decision here was giving ajose a new contract. There are clearly issues on both sides so why on Earth did we give him a new deal?

As for the League, City will be strong and if Liverpool’s new signings settle (no guarantees) they could challenge. Spurs have signed nobody, Arsenal were a long way off last year, and Chelsea have a new coach and a new style to adapt to.

We may not win the league but we will be up there and if Fred settles well, Pogba steps up, and Sanchez shows his form, then we will be in there.

DLIB, I enjoy you your osts, they are well thought through and quality but in this case, you need to get over it mate.


2.) 09 Aug 2018 22:26:30
One dodgy window and we’re doomed. Pogba was a world record, Sanchez is probably the top earner in the EPL, big money has been spent. If we’d bought Sandro would that have made things OK? I think he’s dodgy. How about Maguire? £50M for a defender who can’t defend. The club coughed up for Bailly and then Lindelof, both of whom it seems are now not good enough. How many CBs do we buy before we thInk about developing the ones we have.

The odd decision here was giving ajose a new contract. There are clearly issues on both sides so why on Earth did we give him a new deal?

As for the League, City will be strong and if Liverpool’s new signings settle (no guarantees) they could challenge. Spurs have signed nobody, Arsenal were a long way off last year, and Chelsea have a new coach and a new style to adapt to.

We may not win the league but we will be up there and if Fred settles well, Pogba steps up, and Sanchez shows his form, then we will be in there.

DLIB, I enjoy you your osts, they are well thought through and quality but in this case, you need to get over it mate.


3.) 09 Aug 2018 22:30:16
Excellent post DLIB. i think the football passion of our owners is next to zero and that shows. They have lacked leadership and although they have achieved their financial goals, i can't help but think that they would have achieved even more had they had a clear direction on the field that would've enhanced the brand even further.
I said recently that the millions of fans around the world can support who they want, and they normally choose successful and entertaining teams, if that part of the equation is removed, then they will soon find out how fickle they've been in not taking the footballing side seriously.


4.) 09 Aug 2018 22:31:52
What a load of nonsense. Shining like a star? Never read so much rubbish.

I sound and feel like Roy Keane after responding to this tripe.

Go and support your flavour of the month the amazing and trophy less Herr Klopp.


5.) 09 Aug 2018 22:56:41
DLIB u talk a lot of nonsense mate. Ed2 has said numerous times glazers have spent HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND STILL ARE WILLING TO SPEND.

Problem is your manager is bent on spending on ageing players where in 1/ 2 yrs time you'll need to spend again to replace them.

Even the likes of city w/ all their spending power are still spending sensibly.

No business/ club including utd w/ all their financial mussel can afford to spend 300/ 400M every couple of seasons on ageing players.

It's seems your board have drawn a sensible line and they know the squad isn't as bad as your manager wants people to believe. U don't need to beat city or Chelsea or LFC directly to challenge/ win league tittle. It's midtable teams where u need to beat them and your squad is super strong compare to them.


6.) 09 Aug 2018 23:32:29
AJH - I was just trying to illustrate a point about ambition. I even posted earlier in the summer that I was relaxed about the window and didn't think we needed to spend just for the sake of it, that Jose needed to get the best out of some talented players that had underperformed and I stand by that. Having said that there are obvious deficiencies in the squad which haven't been addressed for which I am disappointed. Forget CB, Jose has signed two and I believe both are good players and deserve a chance. We needed a LB and above all a RW in my opinion to bring some balance to the team. These positions have not been strengthened and if they had we'd have a better chance. I'm not asking for them to break the bank I am realistic. It was hard to invest in those areas when we spent big money on Pogba and Lukaku in previous windows but this was a chance to improve those areas. Don't forget between 2009 - 2013 they invested very little in the squad.

Eric - Bit harsh mate I was only trying to describe the irony of Klopp's words but fair enough.

AAA - I agree mate.

Kopitef - Your entitled to your opinion mate. I'm not advocating that the Glazers break the bank just spend as much as you have pal.


 

 

09 Aug 2018 11:11:35
So it's look like we're going with what we've got!

From reading the posts not many were convinced by Maguire, Boateng or Mina anyway.

The key now is can Jose forge a team from what we've got or is he going to sulk and self combust?

What we need now is our manager at his sensational best. Maybe for the first time we go into the season as real underdogs with a stomach churning sense of foreboding and apprehension. Nobody including our own fans is giving us a chance. We've been written off many thinking there's more chance of Jose being sacked than winning the league. Even the Scouse mob have significantly strengthened and look a threat but with that comes expectation and pressure.

Maybe Jose has one last ace up his sleeve. Are we not entering classic Jose territory. Under dogs, written off, dismissed, no hopers, backs against the wall. Intentionally or not Jose has perhaps for the first time killed all expectations and if he's smart, like I know he is this presents him with an opportunity. Can we be the kryptonite to Peps Supermen, the antidote to Klopp's heavy mental, the wrecking ball to Chelsea's Sarri ball. It's time to get behind our manager and the team. If we have you play the villain so be it.

Rally the troops, beat the battle drums, bellow the war cry, we are Utd and we fight with everything we've got.

Over to you lads wear our shirt with pride and show us all your not finished yet!

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1.) 09 Aug 2018 11:32:08
We are MANCHESTER "UNITED". Its Us against the world and Jose has ensured that the feeling is common and spread across all United fans, ala SAF. One thing Jose has done with all his moaning is turn off the attention from his players to himself. Nobody is talking about the players, its all Jose. He is at his bloody best at it.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 22:54:42
I've read a lot of negativity recently and I'd just like to share my view on the current plight of our Club. It's more cathartic than anything so please forgive its length and thank you for those that took time to read.

For years, (even during SAF's time) the Club we're predominantly against the signing of ageing players approaching their 30's. Exceptions have been made in certain cases for the likes of RVP, Ibra and Sanchez but all we're players coming towards the end of their contracts and we escaped having to pay a hefty fee.

We have predominantly invested in buying the best domestic talent Keane, Rio, Rooney, Berbatov and RVP to name but a few, supplemented by foreign players with potential for development. The emergence of Chelsea then City, the rise of foreign investment and increased TV revenue means we can longer just pinch the leagues best players. Clubs are no longer compelled to sell and when players do become available we face stiff competition. The landscape has changed and we have struggled to adapt.

The problem as I understand is Jose wants to invest significant money on ageing, experienced players whilst jettisoning younger players with huge potential that the Club have invested heavily. Surely LVG's assertion of Martial being a present for his successor are still ringing in Woodward's ears.

I would like to point out that I don't believe our current owners are good for our Club. Having said that I don't think they are the devil incarnate. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. We must understand we operate as a business therefore from the owners point of view this model makes financial sense. Paying hefty fee's for the likes of Toby, William, Perisic etc is risky. They probably only have a few years left at the very top, are at more risk of injury and if they don't settle, which can often be the case the Club will take a heavy hit.

I think the board have shown a commitment to compete for the best players if they become available in the right circumstances as evidenced by breaking the transfer record to buy Pogba and spending heavily on Lukaku. Unfortunately such purchases have taken up much of the budget and we've been unable to strengthen in other key areas.

Our core values should not change or be diminished by time or circumstance. There should always be a emphasis on playing attacking, entertaining, attractive football, giving youth a chance and a platform to flourish. To represent the Club with bravery, courage, to never give up and always try to win.

Perhaps the Clubs biggest failure has not been to appoint a manager in its own image. I was convinced Jose was the right man but am becoming increasingly concerned I was wrong. I was seduced by his CV and winning mentality. As his career has progressed he has become frustrated, sullen and impatient fuelled and driven by his substantial ego. He has lost his charisma and charm. He wants immediate solutions and doesn't have the patience to nurture or develop certain players in our squad. In some respects I do have sympathy because I don't think his demands have been unreasonable or excessive. He has simply fallen foul of a Club that are only prepared to back him so far. I think the Club could have been more generous and shown a real commitment to deliver what he wanted but have stopped just short. I will continue to support Jose as I believe he is an excellent manager. I just think he is not compatible with the Club. He doesn't play the right brand of football and appears in conflict with the board. Having said that I do believe he's done a decent job (style aside) and if he left tomorrow he'd leave us in a stronger position than when he took over.

Make no mistake it will be hard to return us to the pinnacle of both English and European football. What we need is a young, driven, ambitious, manager with a clear commitment to attacking football, investing in youth and working to develop and improve players. The board must invest in better scouting, our academy and to uphold and protect the values and tradition of our Club. They must also continue to invest in the squad and be prepared to compete for the best players. They should judge their tenure on trophies won not revenue created and not lose sight that they are the custodian's of one of the most famous sporting institutions in the world where success should be measured on the pitch not off it.

We have no divine right to win but we must at least try and give ourselves a fighting chance. sometimes that means going the extra mile and taking a leap of faith which the board have so far been unwilling to do. Good night and let's all hope for some positive news tomorrow.

DLIB

1.) 09 Aug 2018 06:57:58
DLIB

Under the present ownership I have not seen the ambition to be No1 in the world, finish top four and increase the asset value definitely but it seems to fall short of wanting to be the best. I see more ambition from City and now Liverpool than from us (even Wolves and Fulham) but hey they don’t have the yummy noodle partners that we have. I saw a stat yesterday about the difference in the Glazers net spending which indicated once they made top four they seem to ease off on the spending. I am an old cracked record but when Ronaldo left we bought Valencia, the Ronaldo money propped up the accounts preventing a loss. They seem to have an aim and that is increase the asset value by doing enough on the pitch, when is the last time the stadium had any real upgrade? Only when they used the money in the bank from plc days. See it for what it is.
Let’s see what happens today but I don’t have high expectations of solving our issues. The clock on the years since winning the league is ticking and right now it is more likely Liverpool will stop theirs before we stop ours, and that is down to the board.


2.) 09 Aug 2018 07:22:40
Isn’t Jose providing this youth by playing Rashford, McT, bringing back Andreas P, Dalot, Fred, Lindelof, Bailly, Pogba, Lingard etc?


 

 

06 Aug 2018 23:13:26
Is nobody else concerned that we're about to lose Martial and Pogba after our window closes without any possibility of replacing them.

Ed 2 has said they are both available if our valuation is met! With foreign Clubs still able to buy players until the end of August would we have the resolve to reject any offers if the valuation is met after our deadline has passed and we haven't brought anyone in?

DLIB

1.) 06 Aug 2018 23:44:57
I imagine if we are aware that them players are to be sold that they will be replaced in the next couple of days. No replacements will mean we don’t listen to offers, you would have to assume anyway.


2.) 06 Aug 2018 23:48:50
No i'm not fussed at all. If we take a year out to get house in order I couldn't care less.


3.) 07 Aug 2018 08:30:33
That haven't brought much to the team as of late so how would you even notice.


 

 

18 Jul 2018 19:00:59
Am I the only one that's not particularly concerned about the transfer window?

I think we've got a very good squad of players and it's about time Jose started to get the best out of what's he's got.

We signed Lindelof for a handsome fee last summer, Bailly the year before so I think it's about time they both got paired together. Lindelof has now had a year to settle and come off the back of a good World Cup. Hopefully Bailly can stay clear of injury and get a good pre season under his belt. He's our best defender and it's about time Jose showed some faith and confidence in HIS signings and gave them a run of games. I also have high hopes for Tuanzebe and would like to see him partnered with Bailly at CB on tour. I'd much rather he was given a chance than sign Cahill for instance.

From what I've read Fred should be an excellent addition and add something different in midfield.

The only position I'd really like to strengthen would be at RW to give the side some balance. Having said that I believe we have an excellent prospect in Tahith Chong who won the Jimmy Murphy player of the year award last season. I'd love to see him given a chance in some games rather than playing Mata or Lingard out of position where they are less effective.

For me Jose has to start showing some faith in his players and build some confidence. We have a good squad with some very promising youngsters.

We all love new players and I agree we need to strengthen in certain areas especially at full back but we also have talented players that need a chance. Surely Shaw deserves a run of games if not just sell him. We also have Mitchell who looked really promising at Hearts and Dalot is very highly rated.

I know it's a big ask to try and topple City blooding young players but we have good experience in De Gea, Matic, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku the spine of the team is very strong. Give the players some confidence and let's see what they can do. Try to play the right way and the fans (in general) will remain supportive and patient.

We've attempted to buy our way back to the top and it's not really worked. Now is the time to forge a team, develop a set pattern of play, trust some of our promising youngsters and try and play with some energy and intensity. I honestly believe that the squad is strong and if Jose could just recapture that old twinkle in his eye and showed the lads some support and loyalty I'm certain they'd respond.

DLIB

1.) 18 Jul 2018 20:36:15
I completely agree with you but I doubt it will happen. We do have some good players but Jose seems to have made his mind up about some of them. Pogba has been offered to 4 clubs, Martial is being moved out, Shaw is free to go, all 3 of them are very talented. Sanchez will prevent Rashford’s development, still not clear why we bought him. Fellaini has been re-signed and I suspect we will sign a couple more, I just hope they work out better than most of the recent lot.


2.) 18 Jul 2018 20:48:38
I agree on the center backs. But there is such a drop-off if Bailly or Lindelof are out. Smalling, Jones, and Rojo are all limited. And I don't want Cahill either. Give Tuanzebe a chance.

At RW, I agree that Mata and Lingard really both play like #10s. I've heard about Chong's talent, but I'm not sure he will be strong enough yet. But that is what the tour will be good for, to see how he holds up against men.

Shaw sounds very fit, and deserves his chance. But if we are going to compete for the title, we need two at each outside back spot that can get up and down the pitch. Young has been a great professional, but is past his prime now.

So in all, still think we need a proper RW, another LB, and a center mid. We have a lot of talent up front, we should only add someone who can make a major difference if available.


 

 

 

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26 Jul 2018 16:25:54
Shappy - The exotic name thing wasn't aimed at you pal. In hindsight I should have omitted that. I just think Maguire is universally underrated on here but by no means am I saying he's the finished article. I think he'd be a decent signing but I understand your reservations and take your point about him maybe not being a major upgrade on we've already got. Anyway this site would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion.

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26 Jul 2018 12:01:27
I take your point Shappy but I think McGuire has come in for some undue criticism to be honest.

It remains to be seen if he's a viable target but I think he'd be a solid addition to our team. From what I've seen he's big, strong, very good in the air and good with the ball. He maybe lacks a yard of pace and I've heard people criticise his positioning at times but that's something that can be worked on and will prove with experience. I think he's better than what we've got (maybe Bailly apart) . He's got good pedigree and actually played in the FA youth Cup final against us with the likes of Pogba and Lingard. He's continued to improve at both Hull then Leicester and maybe he deserves a chance to play at a higher level. Sometimes we get seduced by more exotic names but I think he's a good solid player, at the right age that will continue to improve.

I think Lindelof was signed for the right reasons but I just think he lacks the physicality for the Prem League. If Jose isn't going to play him then maybe now is the time to cash in. He's had a good World Cup and I'm sure we'd get our money back at least. I'd definitely cash in on Rojo. He's perpetually injured and apart from a 15-20 game spell where he looked half decent playing next to Jones he's been pretty unspectacular to say the least. I think both Smalling and Jones are solid squad players and have served the club well. I fully agree about Tuanzebe but I'm not sure he's ready just yet.

In relation to the Martial saga just let the boy move on. It's obvious he isn't going to flourish under Mourinho and I see little point in keeping a player that is unhappy and isn't going to help the team. He may develop into a very good player but at the moment he's just not quite there and has shown little interest in fighting for his place. His next move will be crucial and if he's hankering for a move to the likes of Real or Bayern I'm certain he'll find himself in exactly the same position.

Maybe some kind of swap deal with Spurs for Son Heung-Min would interest all parties. He works tirelessly, he can play in any position across the top three including striker and scores goals.

Utd need to start getting creative if we want to see some transfer activity this summer.

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14 Aug 2018 18:42:33
Good post Mumbles.

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14 Aug 2018 11:28:22
Got to be Gary Neville for me.

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09 Aug 2018 23:32:29
AJH - I was just trying to illustrate a point about ambition. I even posted earlier in the summer that I was relaxed about the window and didn't think we needed to spend just for the sake of it, that Jose needed to get the best out of some talented players that had underperformed and I stand by that. Having said that there are obvious deficiencies in the squad which haven't been addressed for which I am disappointed. Forget CB, Jose has signed two and I believe both are good players and deserve a chance. We needed a LB and above all a RW in my opinion to bring some balance to the team. These positions have not been strengthened and if they had we'd have a better chance. I'm not asking for them to break the bank I am realistic. It was hard to invest in those areas when we spent big money on Pogba and Lukaku in previous windows but this was a chance to improve those areas. Don't forget between 2009 - 2013 they invested very little in the squad.

Eric - Bit harsh mate I was only trying to describe the irony of Klopp's words but fair enough.

AAA - I agree mate.

Kopitef - Your entitled to your opinion mate. I'm not advocating that the Glazers break the bank just spend as much as you have pal.

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09 Aug 2018 11:29:08
Well done Betty brilliant what a fantastic read! 👏

I've not been posting long and assume from other posters comments you've been on an extended break but welcome back I have no doubt you've been missed!

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08 Aug 2018 23:27:00
Very good Betty you even brought a smile to my miserable face! Thank you for lightening the mood!

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