11 Mar 2024 11:18:57
We keep hearing these players three Jose under bus and lvg and ole.
Looking at snr players I think only rashford and Shaw and martial remain from lvg.
Only dalot rash Shaw martial lindelof mctom were here with Jose.
Those 5 plus sancho awb maguire and varane from ole.
So is it just rash Shaw and martial that keep throwing managers under the bus?
Onana malacia martinez ericksen cassimero Antony garnacho mainoo rasmus mount are eth signings or youth.
There are 3 others ole signed in amad pellistri and vdb that are simply not good enough to break into the team.
So if its the players that keep getting the managers fired then eth has 10 new ones and the ones that have done best of that 10 were in our academy the others have still a lot to do to convince most of us. Maybe they will become the new toxic players. Despite their winning pedigree elsewhere.
11 Mar 2024 12:18:58
So by your post you clearly see what a mish mash of a squad we have yes? Completely unbalanced. On top of that ridiculous injury list yet you still feel the need to criticise the manager at every move he makes . I’d say your post is great example that a bit of understanding is needed within the fan base that this job is not easy, with ineos I hope whoever is in charge finds it a bit easier! ETH or the next guy!
11 Mar 2024 12:35:49
I think it's less about players intentionally downing tools and more about a collective poor mentality.
They seem to lack fight, they have a tendency to sulk when things get tough. They retreat into themselves and shirk responsibility for their own performances.
It seems to be a recurring thing no matter who we get rid of and bring in.
Weak mentality and bad attitudes can seep into others far easier than strong mentality and great attitude does.
11 Mar 2024 13:17:39
It’s a rinse and repeat cycle since Moyes was sacked. We hire a manager. They try to implant their own style of play. They bring in some players to help them implement it. There seems to be improvement. The squad hits a tough patch. The players shrink into themselves and seem lacking in fight and effort. The manager’s job is at risk. They start setting the team up in a safety first counterattack style. The fans pile on the manager for the team having no identity. The manager gets sacked.
The truth is that the squad has no leaders. It has no players that are unable to step up during difficult spells and drive the rest of the squad on. The squad has no character. It has young players, players afraid of responsibility and players enjoying a big payday at the end of their career. The closest we have to a leader is Martinez who has been injured for most of his time at the club.
11 Mar 2024 13:34:49
I agree shappy it's about mentality. Varane ericksen cssimero onana martinez all serial winners malacia rashford with England mctom with Scotland Shaw with England all these guys looked OK before they came and look good elsewhere. So why do bad at united.?
11 Mar 2024 14:19:28
The culture is set higher up.
The stadium, the training facilities, all sub-par. These young players, like our fans, like shiny new things. Look at the clubs that are doing well, all with new or refurbished state-of-the art facilities.
Imagine walking out at Spurs stadium, or the Emirates, or training at City's facilities.
And then look at ours. Maybe this is a good place to start when wondering why for the past 10 years, we sign players who quickly regress. This is nothing new, and nothing to do with ETH.
11 Mar 2024 14:25:05
I don't actually believe in this group there are as many downing tools, I just don't think enough of them are good enough to play how ETH wants to. You could see Saturday from the start that they were trying to play out from the back and through the press but just weren't capable of it.
11 Mar 2024 15:25:47
He has 10 new players.
11 Mar 2024 15:28:13
Thats mad ken, all those players still there and we expect ETH to do any better with that mix mash, bunch of players that have consistently been inconsistent.
Square peg in round holes. Bring ETH, who is a clone pep and expect him to do better with those individuals you name, jesus christ ?.
11 Mar 2024 15:48:52
In my humble view apart from one bad egg (Sancho) the players aren't intentionally going out to 'down tools' or get anyone sacked. They're generally a collection of good players, one or two excellent ones most teams would take and a handful of average ones. Controversial I guess.
We've had a handful of excellent managers, most of whom had won things at other clubs.
Sir Jim had it right in his interview - can't remember the exact phrase, but he remarked that if the same issues kept arising, the problems were obviously above the managers and players.
He's on the case already.
11 Mar 2024 15:54:27
It’s also important to remember that not every transfer is the manager’s choice. I always remember when Jose said he was offered Fred or no new midfielder. Casemiro sounds like an example of that for me. Clearly not ETH’s preferred choice, but we needed a holding mid, so it was him or nothing. Likewise, I don’t know whose idea it was to sign Mount.
Antony is a massive failure on ETH’s part. Huge money for a very limited player. Hojland looks a very good prospect. Onana is starting to look good and has improved throughout the season. Martinez is an excellent player, but unlucky with injuries. Malacia, again, a good back up left back but injury. I think there’s probably questions to be asked of the medical and conditioning staff given the amount of injuries. Hard training doesn’t do that, it’s poor conditioning. Eriksen, good option on a free, but looking like his legs have gone.
A mixed bunch of signings, but given recruitment has been a massive problem at the club for years, I’m not sure how much can be laid at the manager’s feet.
11 Mar 2024 17:08:59
Since ferfie left these useless played have been in 6 or 7 finals in 10 years.
2 last year
In last 9 years Liverpool have won 1 more trophy.
We have no challenged in the league in all those years.
In last 6 seasons we have contested 6 finals.
Useless players don't do that.
11 Mar 2024 17:38:05
Ken it was only last week you were saying our trophies would be swapped with Liverpool’s in an instant. Now you’re comparing the two to suit your narrative. Give up ?.
11 Mar 2024 22:07:59
Ken. Is Maguire/ Evans as good on the ball and at receiving the ball as Martinez in tight situations and dealing with the press? No. Is Martinez essential in the way ETH wants to play? Yes. This is where these players aren’t good enough. They are not useless but they’re not good enough in this system. Defensively if we try press from the front our midfield squeeze and so should the defence but they lack pace so stay deeper so therefore huge gaps are between defence and midfield. ETH didn’t think Maguire was good enough to play how he wants but a sale didn’t happen, he didn’t identify Evans as a signing he wanted to play his system, he signed as cover on a free because we needed bodies. Do you honestly believe Maguire and Evans would play 20+ games in a fully fit City or Liverpool team?
11 Mar 2024 23:52:40
Of course I don't ports maguire or Evans would not get into most teams.
12 Mar 2024 01:43:46
I think fans are just si know seeing the same old BS from the players. Leaks to press. Powerful agents. Poor effort and quality on the pitch. Not liking playing certain positions. I just think a few of the linger serving players have used up all their chances with the fans. New players and a fresh start will bring a fresh new hope. Old players remind us all of failures past.
12 Mar 2024 11:08:53
Come on Tumble. Pretty sure Maguire would get into at least 2/ 3 sides in the Prem? Evans half, purely based on age. I get that Maguire isn't a liked player and no Franz Beckenbauer but putting that aside he's an England starter which again many will say doesn't mean a great deal but they're probably favourites for the Euros.
12 Mar 2024 15:40:14
These ten players he got just for perspective in the last 2-3 weeks when he’s been getting pelters for style or performance or results he’s mainly had 3 signings playing, Keeper whose been good, cas whose been poor who I also don’t believe was an ETH signing and evans who quite clearly was never meant to be here! So perspective is needed and sensible heads are needed! It’s not rocket science imo! Just because idiots on sky and talksport fail to acknowledge the issues he’s having and go for the jugular when you delve into facts it’s little wonder we look disjointed and lack consistency!
12 Mar 2024 16:12:46
The sun was shining out of Casemiro's backside until this week, did I miss a memo? :D.