23 May 2024 08:53:34
I remember when the rumours of Poch being next manager instead of ten hag were flying round and this page was full of people slagging Poch off
He’s not won anything major, failed at spurs, couldn’t win anything meaningful with psg
Now he’s the flavor of the hour
Now the same people who didn’t want Poch back then are now suddenly he’s number one fan and want him to take control
The guy is a success in failure, backwards step if we get him in imo, his football is just as dross as the football we’ve had over the last 10 years
Don’t get the Poch lovers tbh.
23 May 2024 09:00:30
Who are those people bolger that slagged him off last year and now want him?
23 May 2024 09:06:06
I've no real preference at all who comes in.
There are 1 or 2 I'd prefer it wasn't but imo nobody can do worse than 10hag did this season.
Juve gone for the largely unproven month.
Bayern gone for the largely unproven kompany like leverkusen went for the unproven alonso.
Chelsea heavily linked with the unproven mckenna or the chap from Leicester.
Some really interesting appointments at big clubs.
Interesting strategies.
When eth leaves we are not sure what we will be getting but we know for sure he will do better than eth imo.
23 May 2024 09:48:54
'we know for sure he will do better than eth'
Do we? What if it's Southgate? Or will anyone do better because of a new structure above and therefore so would ETH.
I don't mind whether he stays or goes, or who comes in (other than maybe Southgate. ) but saying anyone one would be better for sure? Post Fergie ETH has been one of the most successful (shows how low successful now is) so by your logic next season, with any new manager, we'll get a trophy and be competitive at the top of the table at the very least.
23 May 2024 10:12:31
If unproven managers weren't ever recruited they'd never be proven! Might sound obvious, but based on this thread it needs stating.
We're not in a situation where we can cherry pick. Years of poor leadership have gotten us here. We all have our choices. In Poch's defence, he has a good CV despite being laden with the never won anything tag. I thought he was class at Spurs. Managed a toxic squad at PSG very well and was showing signs of turning Chelsea around despite their obvious issues. Them sacking Poch, for me, is less justified than United sacking ETH.
Poch has never had the best, or even second best squad in the EPL. His players let him down the year Leicester won. They should have won the league. Would he win the league at City? Yes. At Liverpool and Arsenal he would do no worse than Klopp or Arteta for me. Would ETH win the league with City? Not with the tactics he used this season at United, no. He would immediately neutralise their best player, Rodri. His inverted wingers would starve Haaland.
I would like to see Poch given a chance.
23 May 2024 10:21:38
I think you missed where I said in my opinion key.
23 May 2024 10:42:19
EtH 1st season 3td, league cup won and FA CuP final. Lost in the EL due to the Martinez injury and the players having a weak mentality.
2nd season, blighted by injuries and being unable to play a steady back 4, coupled with some bad substitutions and the playing out of form players.
3rd season . Sacked or stays.
My preference is for EtH to stay for one final season. Poch hasn't won anything. His Chelsea team have been equally poor as their Utd team. They did manage to find some form over the last few weeks.
23 May 2024 10:47:06
Ok, my reason for wanting eth to be given a shot next season is, I don't agree that he is tactically foolish as some suggest, in fact his peers seems to think he is one of the best. I think he done well last year but his directive was to play a more entertaining style of football and has managed to reach a final while doing it, he is attempting to implement that this year, and yes he has failed so far but he has had to contend with a fair few injuries, players not being able to adjust to the plan, and young players finding their place in the team. I have fault with him too, his signings have not impressed at all, some of claims in his interviews are ridiculous. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago I would be on the side of replacing him but right now, after so many managers I think he should be given a chance to show what he can do with a fit squad and no off field distractions.
23 May 2024 11:05:13
What magic wand are any of these (not-so) superior replacements going to wave to suddenly make every injured player the squad has had across the season match fit? Are they going to personally drive to the doors of the likes of Sancho and Rashford to pick them up on time and help with their off-field demons? What does a coach who was ridiculed for his ineffectiveness as part of the Ole regime add after a season with a championship side? He'd be eaten alive by the egos, much like Potter was when he made the step up. There's a culture of football fans wanting shiny new things and always assuming the grass will be greener.
23 May 2024 11:58:51
Spenno.
The injuries are too much of an excuse for absolute bonkers tactical decisions. The same flaws were on display from gameweek 1 to 36 against arsenal where he finally changed. Why did it take to the 36th game of the season?
I said it the other week, if he had of went a bit more pragmatic and started to try and play with as much of a solid base as possible I’d argue even with injuries we could have 10-15 more points and I’d cut him so much slack because we could be validated we maybe could have done more with a full squad. But with a full squad, go back and watch wolves at home in the opening game.
Giving up 20+ shots a game, vacating the midfield to pretty much play basketball was ludicrous. I don’t think Ten Hag is someone who knows nothing about football, nor do I think he’s necessarily a bad coach. Heck I think he’s a decent guy. However, on the balance of what I’ve seen this season, I don’t think he’s the man to take us forward, especially if the football he played for 95% of the season is what he wants to do.
23 May 2024 12:34:20
There are no guarantees with any manager spenno.
Maybe the leverkusen fans were saying the same as you when alonso was appointed.
Perhaps the bayern fans think the same with kompany to be appointed.
Juve fans may think the same with Motta appointed.
For every ying there is a yang.
Imo the only manager out there that guarantees success is pep.
I think we all know it will take a couple of years to be challenging again, maybe more.
Imo the target has got to continued sustainable improvement on and off the pitch.
23 May 2024 13:13:42
Exactly my thoughts caolan.
I was 100% behind eth until Jan.
I think he has some great qualities but imo is missing some key leadership traits for united.
23 May 2024 13:42:09
I just don't see an obvious replacement or upgrade who will have done any better with the issues EtH has had. Poch was deemed not good enough two years ago. Granted I suspect he is a fantastic man-manager. Maybe that's what is needed in a few cases.
23 May 2024 13:53:38
The best managers in world football atm seem to be larger than life characters, a little spiky, and the likes of Klopp/ Pep/ Arteta taking the Prem examples (plus Slot) by all accounts seem like they have an incredible relationship with their players. Fair to say EtH maybe doesn't come across in those ways but then again does Ancelloti, prob second only behind Pep. Completely different characters.
23 May 2024 14:03:11
Spenno,
I don’t care who the manager is to be honest. I just want to enjoy watching the team again, and look forward to games.
Moving forward the game is going the way of coaches instead of the traditional manager like Fergie was for example.
If ten hag remains, I’d hope to see a continuation of the stability of the team from the last couple of games and build from that foundation. I just don’t have any confidence that he will.
23 May 2024 15:19:39
It shouldn't make a difference but unfortunately in life it does but one of ETHs problems is he doesn't seem to be very warm towards people- now I've lived in Holland for 6 years I get it with the aloofness but Poch, McKenna do seem to have that likeabilty factor players lean towards like Klopp and Ange have . Its all balance I guess, no one is more likeable than OGS.
{Ed007's Note - Ange Postecoglou definitely doesn't have any likability factor among his players. There were rumours since confirmed by Celtic players about how AP kept his distance from the players, he didn't have much of a personal connection with players, refusing to socialise in and around the training ground.
Even AP's No.2 at Celtic has spoken about how Ange liked to keep a distance between players and coaching staff etc.}
23 May 2024 15:25:24
Spenno I can't think of a 1st choice player or manager that Woodward got right so perhaps being his 1st choice is a bad thing. Poch not being his 1st choice may turn out to be a compliment?.
23 May 2024 19:06:39
Not sure why people are so hung up on Poch like he is God's gift. Has won nothing in his career and was sacked from PSG for having no clear style of play. and people think he'll be better than ETH.
I'm not saying ETH is the right man, but Poch certainly isn't going to take the club forward.
23 May 2024 19:20:21
All the speculation about the manager is mostly baseless and let the chips fall after Saturday. Its a bit sad to see all the stuff written which a lot of it is bs and imo quite unsettling if you are a player or the coaching staff imo.
Going to the game and quiet optimistic. It will be a very close game and finally a team without massive injury problems, although fitness levels will not be there for players who have just come back. GGMU.
23 May 2024 19:21:04
Just my opinion looking in, ETH is never going to be the guy to get United back to the top. He might improve next year, he might not. But I can never see him being able to take United back to the top.
I don’t buy into the injuries being the reason it all went wrong. Yes it had an effect, but he still managed to field a team of internationals most weeks. If the players you have available can’t play the game plan you want then change the game plan. You don’t just throw the players on the pitch and hope it works out. However, if that style of play is ETH’s game plan then it won’t work no matter who is on the pitch. No back four can cope with that many attacks in a game.
Getting outplayed by city or Arsenal is one thing and is understandable at the current time. But when teams fighting relegation can have that many shots, out fight and often out play you, then there is something really wrong.
I’m 100% in the camp of trying somebody else now. The rebuild starts this summer, so if the new regime isn’t sold on ETH then why start a rebuild with him. Might as well start with the guy you want in charge.
However, I do agree with some of the posters above. Taking a chance on McKenna is probably not the best move right now. Probably a little too inexperienced right now. Maybe as the next boss.
I don’t see any reason not to go with Poch. I think he’d jump at the chance. Players seem to like him and play for him. He pretty much had a team full of brand new players at the start of the season, most of them very young, once he had time to nail down his starting 11 and get them drilled in what he wants they started to perform.
Just my thoughts, I’m not an expert. So can only hope the people at United making the decisions get it right.
23 May 2024 19:39:12
In complete agreement fallguy.
I still think potter would be a good option aswel.
Poch I always look at as a utd manager don't know why.
I believe it will be tuchel but still can't shake the idea of Southgate.
23 May 2024 20:51:30
News tonight saying united have met with McKenna’s representatives.
Every appointment is a risk. But he would be a massive risk.
23 May 2024 22:35:27
Well Fallguy the people at Utd whoever they have been haven’t made one right decision since Fergie left.
Let’s hope the next one is right, but the form book isn’t good.
24 May 2024 10:09:07
The people making the decisions for last 12 years are gone spenno. So it's a new form book.
24 May 2024 10:56:15
He is at the wrong club if he needs no off field distraction.
There will always be off field distraction at united banjoe.