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14 May 2019 14:43:56
Angel Gomes departure rumours doing the rounds. Sounds like Herrera has put him in his removal van to PSG.

No idea if true, however arguably the last thing United need right now is for future prospects to be unsettled. If true, is this a case of an impatient youngster not being ready or a genuinely "ready" talent being held back?

I think the strength of the "lightweight not ready for the PL" argument has been well and truly destroyed by David and Bernado at City!


1.) 14 May 2019 14:51:58
I know what your saying about size but Gomes is even smaller and far more lightweight than those two. I personally don’t think he will make it but hope otherwise. If he has said what is reported then it’s goodnight Vienna I’m afraid. Most of these supposed wonder kids have there filled with absolute tosh from most coaches I know from my 15 year old being in the academy process. Glorified PE coaches most of them.

2.) 14 May 2019 15:19:36
Bye bye Gomes.

3.) 14 May 2019 15:44:09
There is a big difference between small and lightweight the 2 silva's are small not light weight, gomes on the other hand genuinely looks like a shoulder to shoulder will end up with him ending up a few feet from where he started.

4.) 14 May 2019 16:06:19
Gomes needs to fill out. I'm not a fan of the idea that you need to have a certain physique to play football in the EPL. That isn't true, there are many examples of players with a smaller stature being able to compete at that level. However, it isn't Gomes's height that is the problem, more that he hasn't yet filled out. There is a concern that he could be injured when going toe to toe with many EPL players.

That said, playing at youth level is beneath him at this stage. A loan out to a less physically demanding, but of higher technical skill is what he needs at this juncture. Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands could all be good destinations for him.

Hopefully, that is what he was was getting at with these comments. There are no direct quotes, just suggestive comments from someone "close to the player". So there may or may not be anything in these comments. He is a super talented lad, who needs a good structure to his development. If the club can get it right then we will have a great young player. Let's wait and see.

5.) 14 May 2019 16:25:58
I have a hard time believing this one. I have heard great things about Gomes, and the idea of a loan makes sense to where he can gain experience.

6.) 14 May 2019 17:24:04
He is still an old boy not yet developed into a young man.
He has a contract. There is no issue. Bad red devil. I bet the publication that released t hay crap also has had us signing at least 2 dozen different names.
Why does anyone believe all this crap?

7.) 14 May 2019 17:30:21
Stick him in the championship for a season, that’ll learn him!

8.) 14 May 2019 17:52:56
You often get noises like this at the end of a season, however how are his compatriots in the World Cup winning team progressing? He could and should have had some time at the end of the season yet got none or almost none, that has to rankle with him. It happened to city with Sancho and Brahim so easily happen with Gomes. Depends how they have been managing him and the explanations as to why he wasn’t given any time at all on the pitch. At that age you think you are better than you are but if you are given no time at all then you may agitate to go.

9.) 14 May 2019 18:29:39
Red man disagree completely. If your 18 and supposedly a Utd fan and your around the first team it’s what I and many of us would dream for. If he’s good enough he’ll get his chance. It beggars belief the impatience of some people. He’s 18 for Christ sake but looks 12.He would be bullied off the ball so easily. If he wants to play regular then a loan is in order but these kids think there too good for a loan and should be starting every game.

10.) 14 May 2019 18:39:56
Blackpool Red

So he was ok for Mourinho to give a sub appearance nearly what 2 years ago but not good enough to get on the pitch. So we prefer non performing experience over even 15 mins of youth?

If he isn’t good enough fair enough but to go with experience over youth when you are being let down with experience is illogical. I would rather have lost with those kids given minutes but making managerial decisions when under pressure is not easy, takes experience and confidence.

11.) 14 May 2019 18:39:12
Would agree a loan to a championship call will do good for him. The championship league is a tough place and he will show people what h3 is made off.

12.) 14 May 2019 19:05:07
You don’t get my point. If it’s true what’s he’s said then it’s another kid getting too big for his boots. I’d rather play youngsters than these overpaid clowns.

13.) 14 May 2019 19:32:31
Singh I was half joking actually as I think he’d be massively humbled and it would prove him wrong, but who knows it might be a good move.

Perhaps a season in Portugal would be better for him.

14.) 14 May 2019 20:28:56
He has to test himself somehow and if he isn't going to get games here and its no point playing for under 21s or as you don't learn much.

It would be better for him to either stick and fight buf if he is itching for a move then he can go on loan and test himself.

15.) 14 May 2019 20:32:29
Don't think he will make it balckpool red? as what a footballer? or with Utd? because he will defiantly make it as a footballer, he's a class little player and would be stupid to let him go.

16.) 14 May 2019 20:42:34
More and more youngsters from PL are echoing similar sentiments and expressing similar desires it seems. They see a kid like Sancho moving to Bundesliga and lighting it up, and they're probably wondering why they should wait patiently and go on loans left and right.

If Gomes is feeling that way, then it's no different to a couple of youngsters of ours (Chelsea) . Just recently we had a top GK prospect decline to extend his contract and he's joining PSG on a free this summer.

17.) 14 May 2019 22:09:34
All Ole apparently said is that he's physically fragile. Which he is. A good gust of wind could have him over. Imagine a shoulder barge off of some big meat head.

18.) 14 May 2019 22:29:13

19.) 14 May 2019 22:52:28
Kids develop muscle mass at different stages. He is a late developer In that sense . He is a very talented kid. But even at 18 he is physically behind where many a16 yo would be. He just needs to be patient. Its unwise sms wrong to over train until a certain muscle mass is naturally developed. If you do you will hamper growth of natural muscle mass which leads to muscle issues long term.
Jessie had the same issue. Great at under age but didn't make any impact at men's level until he was 22.
Its not about heigths either. Remember pallister. A bean pole when he arrived.
He will always be small in stature but he can be as strong as aguero salah hazzard etc who are all diminutive players who you just can't knock off the ball.
He can get there he needs to listen to the best advice work on his skills movement passing technique and just wait for his body to catch up. PATIENCE.

20.) 14 May 2019 23:21:29
rubbish. Best at 17 / 18? Put weight on when he was 20.Can only knock him over if they can catch him. Go Angel prove these "know all's" wrong son!

21.) 15 May 2019 06:49:25
He’s one of our highest rated youngsters yet he is sat watching players underperforming every week and he can’t get on the pitch. If he isn’t going to get a chance this year then when is he? I’d be peed off.

22.) 15 May 2019 07:21:37
Ignorance is bliss.



05 May 2019 21:04:16
Can somebody please tell me how any manager (Ole, anybody) can be judged so harshly given the resources he has to hand in such a short timescale.

It's quite staggering that with the worst squad, easily for 30 years, that some on here are suggesting Ole should be sacked when:

1. He hasn't had a single transfer window to be judged by.

2. He is managing the laziest squad in the PL, which is also arguably also the unfittest.

3. He has had to try numerous formations to accommodate the issues in 2.

4. He is arguably now playing regulars to demonstrate how inadequate they are.

Ole has done nothing wrong. yet. I'm not suggesting he's the messiah, however the rash conclusions being spouted on here are unfair and illogical. On the one hand the squad is not fit for purpose however on the other Ole should be achieving more! How? Seriously. Just how!?!

The players are getting a free ride. The same players that downed tools on Jose have done exactly the same since Ole was appointed permanent. The evidence, results and quality of performances, is beyond any doubt. So the question is why? My belief is many do not want Ole because they fear what he represents. That being the end for many of them.

For the love of God give the guy a break. He's being managed by the worst football 'CEO' in the history of United whilst also having to manage one of the worst squads I've seen in my 45 years as a United supporter. He is literally surrounded by s***!


1.) 05 May 2019 21:09:10
Good post.

2.) 05 May 2019 21:29:54
Personally I think they should sack solskjaer and then replace him with interim manager ole gunnar solskjaer.

3.) 05 May 2019 22:33:03
Good post, BRD. Even better one, GB :)

4.) 05 May 2019 23:08:49
The players aren't getting a free ride, most on here want the club to sell half the squad lol. The only players getting a free ride are the “home grown” players in the media. Players like young, smalling, jones, shaw, lingard and rashford never get digged out by the likes of neville, scholes and rio. Quite convenient that.

The fans should be questioning whether a managers whos previous managerial experience is at molde and cardiff is ready to do this huge job.

We need to recruit efficiently and effectively, a style of play needs to be introduced and youth players need to be integrated into the first team squad.

What from oles previous experience suggests he can do that?

Just saying “we are man yanited” and being a club legend has a very short shelf life.

5.) 06 May 2019 04:34:38
Ok so let me understand this right. The same squad that finished second and were in the FA cup final last year and were apparently being mismanaged and held back byJose Mourinho and under achieving? They are now so bad just because Ole is incharge? The poor performances were used as a reason to sack the manager so why not now? isn't it the manager's role to motivate these players and get the best out of them anymore? We just keep shifting the goal posts to argue our narrative.

6.) 06 May 2019 10:14:16
The likes of Young, Jones etc actually look like their bothered in fames compared to some. We all know they're not good enough. Just because Scholes and Neville haven't criticized them doesn't mean others haven't. There's been plenty of pundits and journos on twitter saying how are they still at United.

7.) 06 May 2019 10:23:00
UA no one is going to sack a manager 2 months after being appointed. It would be a farce.

You mention last season coming second and the cup final. Good achievement. And yes Jose mismanaged them and held them back. Towards the end of the season you could see the effort starting to go down. Then Jose nuked the squad in the summer with his transfer tantrum, said they were all crap. Look at the performances from the start of the season to Christmas. No effort.

Ole came in and got the new manager bounce. I think some of them thought " great he's gone, temporary boss, best put some effort in and look good for the next sap who comes in. " I think they underestimated Ole, thought he's a nice guy not a tyrant like the last one, thought they could play him. So they responded to the atm around the shoulder. When it looked like he might actually get the job and made noises about moving them on they reverted to type. Now they've gone back and suckered people into calling for another sacking.



03 Mar 2019 11:16:02
How many people would sacrifice (United’s) Champions League qualification next season if that guaranteed Liverpool not winning Premier League this year?

Just had an interesting chat with a friend and wondered what wider consensus is.


1.) 03 Mar 2019 11:33:56
I really don’t get this. Much as it would frustrate me, if Liverpool win the League then fair play to them, they will deserve it. They have played some scintillating football and if they pip City then that is some achievement. I would say well done, and then concentrate on United and how we can close the gap.

Why would we sacrifice anything? I found the whole debate a bit childish.

2.) 03 Mar 2019 11:43:12
No one is doubting its childish I don’t think. I don’t particularly like it in myself that I would sacrifice 4th as long as that lot don’t win. It’s not logical or big of me but that’s football.

I would not sacrifice a goat or an arm to stop them but one little 4th place so they continue to have never won the Premiership. Worth it 😉.

3.) 03 Mar 2019 11:59:03
If its not liverpool who win the league it'll be city - so either way i won't be pleased but United's upturn lately is much more of a positive focus for me. All is much rosier at old Trafford so frankly I've no appetite to consider things like that. How we aim to close the gap on these teams is a more interesting debate.

4.) 03 Mar 2019 13:05:53
So you’d be happy for our reputation to fall further just so we can say yah boo to the Scousers?

We had a banner showing how many years had passed since City won a trophy but times change. Like it or not Liverpool and United are by far the most successful clubs in English football history and their current barren run matches ours post ‘68, it was only a matter of time.

I’m looking forward to improving more and battling them for the title, if they win it this year (and I think they will) then it will be well deserved.

5.) 03 Mar 2019 13:32:07
The problem with this hypothetical situation, if we finish 5th it’s europa league next season which more or less guarantees we won’t be challenging for the title next season with Thursday/ Sunday fixtures.

6.) 03 Mar 2019 14:08:00
Crazy talk. No self respecting united supporter would be happy if Liverpool win the league. But no self respecting united supporter would sacrifice our failure for theirs.
I want us to win every game.

7.) 03 Mar 2019 14:31:02
30 though is such a nice round number.

8.) 03 Mar 2019 14:58:45
These things are never as bad as they seem. Their fans are already insufferable so nothing will change there. Champions League football means we can attract a better calibre of player in the summer and improve. We're not too much away from having a squad that could challenge. Top 4 would be a huge achievement and if we could take that form into next season, they we would surely be in the mix and that's all that matters.

The team that tops the table deserves it. If it's them, so be it.

9.) 03 Mar 2019 15:36:29
Don't care if they win it, will make it so much sweeter when we take it off them next year.

10.) 03 Mar 2019 16:18:58
Makes us look like a small club when we'd rather fail, than have Liverpool win. You know, like the Scousers.

11.) 03 Mar 2019 19:34:47
Perfect response Noucamp a question like that should never pollute the pages of this great site.



11 May 2016 19:20:36
Am I the only person who feels uncomfortable with the video shared by Lingard? Just childish and pathetic. I really could not imagine those images being seen if the likes of Keane, Scholes or Robson were on board, not to mention Sir Alex.

Those events should have spurred those players on to put in a performance to shut those morons up. All that happened is those very same morons can now argue they helped shape the result.

That video ("mummy, mummy" Oh my God) says a lot about what is wrong with the current squad. They let the club, and a long line of players going back many years, down badly.

Sir Matt would be turning in his grave if he could get an internet connection down there!


1.) 11 May 2016 19:33:02
I posted about it as well. It certainly doesn't make them look like a battle tested unit steeling themselves for battle. Children on the bus, and bullied on the pitch when it mattered most. Two set pieces, and there went our golden opportunity to seize the 4th spot.

2.) 11 May 2016 19:36:39
Was it not stan collymore who posted the video.

3.) 11 May 2016 19:45:20
BadRedDevil, who are you sucking off, to get this post on the main banter page? :)

4.) 11 May 2016 20:26:55
Ew. happily married heterosexual thanks! I think its a significant point of 'banter'. I honestly believe that the early stories of how strict LVG is are a load of rubbish. This just would not have happened, maybe not even under Moyes yet alone SAF.

5.) 11 May 2016 21:41:43
I know, mate. I posted the same thing earlier, and was banished to the Other Pages. I'm obviously just not as easy as you.

{Ed004's Note - We just like him more than you... :-S}

6.) 12 May 2016 13:01:22
Ed. That hurts, mate. It's ok, I don't mind sharing the Others Page with well-educated, thoughtful, incisive and witty posters. Like. Er. Ronnie :)

{Ed004's Note - I could ask it a page could be specifically made up for you two if you want? Just so other page doesn't get too crowded}



21 Dec 2015 10:11:57
Different but interesting times at the moment. Phil Jobes comments about how unified the dressing room is under LVG smack more of the players not to be seen in the same light as the "Chelsea rats".

Hard to believe that all is as well as Jones makes out. Also interesting that Mata is the only player actively stating that LVG should stay. His position would immediately be under threat were Mourinho come to United.

Seems that the club are giving LVG more rope to hang himself with, and I'm sure that Stoke and Chelsea will oblige. Maybe United, if and I state if, are considering Jose, believe that seeing the Chelsea game out of the way first is a wise idea to avoid a media circus.

Either way, this is a fascinating moment in time and one that one way or another is going to define the success that the club will experience over the next few years.

My own personal hope is Jose. I believe that the events at Chelsea will have given him opportunity to be a wiser manager and person. It seems like fate is bring he and United together. It may seem a romantic notion, but the club's history is steeped in romance. Let the love affair begin.





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20 Jul 2019 20:26:29
Disagree Shappy. Just because OGS doesn’t see Lukaku as essential for the style he wants to play doesn’t mean his value has dropped. Supply and demand based on style of play. Simple.




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16 Jul 2016 12:51:19
Juve are negotiating other deals for incoming players. Why would they confirm that they could be getting £100m+. Only increases asking price for players they're interested in. Reality is the market knows. But no pointing making it easier.




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10 Nov 2015 15:05:46
Thorne: "Now, times change, I know. If we could transplant our best team from, say, the 90's to the present day, I doubt they would be half as successfull. Possession has become more important. However, it is not all important. "

Deluded and insulting to the teams of the 90's, who would quite frankly romp this league year on year! You seriously telling me that the team of 99 would not have won the league last year! Get real.

What a ridiculous comment!





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03 Dec 2019 15:31:58
Like yourself Fresh, I don't post very often. I've tried my hardest (debating hard with RedMan in the early days) to stay faithful to Ole, to be optimistic in the face of his tactical naivety - but yes, this is beyond ridiculous. Our inability to compete effectively and ruthlessly against mediocre teams is sufficient evidence that Ole is out of his depth. In fact, he shouldn't be allowed in the pool.

I'm also afraid (for Ole, as I have huge respect for his values and desire to make the club great again) that Ole is walking a frayed tightrope at the moment. Frayed because it's dependent upon the football management based incompetence of Ed Woodward. Woodward has engineered a situation, whereupon isolating one of the best managers in the game (Jose) through an alleged transfer policy, that in order to save his own face he now has to resolutely show how commanding and strategic he can be by giving his full support to arguably the worst manager we have had since Dave Sexton. Even Moyes had more pedigree, however we would not have won the league under Moyes were he still there.

One final point, I'm sick to death of the anti-Poch line of 'what has he won? '. Really? In this country, he rejuvenated Southampton and Spurs (neither perennial winners) whilst taking Spurs to a Champions League final, which we will never know, but robbed of one of the best strikers in Europe he may have won. Regardless, that is a resume that contrasts very well against Ole's. If we wait too much longer we will be in a position where Leicester will seem more attractive once Rogers (who I would take in a heartbeat) leaves for Arsenal.

Sad times, but the game of football is an evolution, and our time will come again.




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13 Aug 2019 12:20:38
Jeez Red Man. Fed-up with this "they hit the post twice". So what!?! Analyse and criticise as much as you want. Goals count. United scored four. Chelsea scored zero. It was the first game of the season. A new (and maybe first for some period of time) philosophy, starting line-up and season of hope and expectation and the players adapted to these factors extremely well in a significant top-six match-up that could seriously derailed the start to the season.

So much to celebrate and be optimistic about. Rashford and Martial play together and score. Daniel James, a superb moment of emotion. Five academy players starting. AWB. Maguire. Superb counter-attacks. Better pressing. Early signs of quality play from the centre-backs. So much to celebrate. Despite this you bemoan our good fortune, lack of midfield, a new 5-yr contract and the most irritating comment that Magiure will face bigger tests as if to suggest he may fail. Also why (by others) in other posts is he being compared to Lindelof instead of the chuckle brothers and sick note? That's the improvement that matters.

Equally - with a glass half-full - if Abrahams shot was going in DDG may have been able to save it, likewise Emerson's. A positive outlook would be that very few goalkeepers can save powerful shots that are only going to hit the woodwork.

All these ifs, buts and maybes are ridiculous. A result does not have to correlate with possession or shots on/ off target. Only goals. Ironically I don't remember such a critical analysis of United's 99 Champions League victory! If possession and efforts were so important in that match we never would have completed the treble. Football very often defies logic, and maybe you would enjoy games such as Sunday a lot more if you stopped trying to find some where there is none.

Could I suggest you buy half-pint glasses in the future - that way you don't need to fill them up!




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08 Aug 2019 18:20:42

Ed’s, please allow GIFs!


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09 Jun 2019 08:05:53
Half United Addict!?! Surveyed every single fan did you? It’s BS like this that is the cause of so many problems in the world today. A keyboard has become one of the most dangerous weapons. Under the wrong fingers they create hate, divides and ignorance. Really boils my blood when folks spout an unproven “fact” based on nothing more than their own whim to justify their own self serving bias. 😡.