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15 Jun 2024 08:52:04
A good friend is friends with someone senior at Peterborough United. Strong links to United through Ferguson and Fry.
Sound bites are that things are far from well under the bonnet with ETH and there are still chances he will not sign contract on terms put forward.
Issues are his own responsibilities (reduced) and concerns over some parts of his coaching setup and his own pragmatism. Also relationship between SJR and ETH is feisty to say the least.
Info a few days old now so he may have signed since. I live in hope.
1.) 15 Jun 2024 11:35:41
???.
2.) 15 Jun 2024 12:06:22
Funny how now the manager is staying and given your clear dislike for the manager that suddenly you have contacts that say things are different to how they are generally reported. Especially as it supports your view.
Very convenient.
3.) 15 Jun 2024 12:14:46
Yet more credible reporters have said that ETH is more than happy with his responsibilities and agrees that the club needs a head of recruitment.
But we’ll take the word of Dave from the Dog and Duck ?.
4.) 15 Jun 2024 12:53:02
Peterborough United? Cracking source/ sauce! ???.
5.) 15 Jun 2024 14:07:47
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about contract extensions but others they spoke to were not interested in the job. See what happens after the Euros. }
This rumour may well be correct, read what ed002 wrote.
6.) 15 Jun 2024 14:41:19
Don’t think I’ll bother posting in here again.
{Ed002's Note - I'll have your account deleted then.}
7.) 15 Jun 2024 15:55:59
This site is called Manchester United Rumours and you've all jumped on someone who has posted a rumour.
It's not exactly encouraging for people who might want to post a rumour in the future
Thanks for the rumour BRD.
8.) 15 Jun 2024 16:56:57
Let’s hope you’re right, BRD.
With the executive team soon to be making decisions about transfers and tactics, we need a coach who can get those ideas across and keep the players motivated: two things that Ten Haag has proven to be woefully incapable of doing.
Aside from his very public spats with Sancho and Ronaldo, it sounds like he’s had bust ups with Varane, Cas, Rashford, and Antony, at the very least. If the guy can’t even get on with the signings he chooses, it seems somewhat unlikely that he’ll do any better with somebody else calling the shots.
9.) 15 Jun 2024 19:54:39
Mancman, it isn't a rumour, it is a fictitious piece of garbage from someone who doesn't like a decision.
Read the last sentence.
'I live in hope'
Wow.
In the words of Red from Shawshank redemption, 'Hope will get you killed'
10.) 15 Jun 2024 21:17:28
Nah Jimbo Red, I doubt someone would invent something that random. Why can't we just take the rumour in good faith? BRD would have to be a really saddo to make up and post something like that.
Plus it reads to me that he hopes Ten Hag has signed a contract.
11.) 15 Jun 2024 22:07:45
Jimbobred
I saw something the other day that mentioned his assistant rubs a lot of people up the wrong way and had run ins with McLaren so to me it doesn't sound like he has made it all up.
12.) 15 Jun 2024 22:48:22
Sign the contact or don’t sign. that's up to ETH. Reckon he’ll be gone by Xmas either way.
13.) 16 Jun 2024 00:48:07
Jimbo you’re arguing with the same person across multiple accounts here. It isn’t worth your time.
14.) 16 Jun 2024 01:17:03
Lol and so it begins.
15.) 16 Jun 2024 08:02:49
Am inclined to believe United and ETH more a marriage of convenience at the moment: INEOS clearky couldn’t get their first choice and have settled with ETH for now.
However, reports about end of season review apparently highlighted the following concerns about ETH:
1. Communication issues, with some players not understanding his instructions or even buying into the repetitive way he tried to drill them in.
2. Inflexible and unwilling to take on board advice from other coaches. Be a problem for new United structure.
3. Desire to have power with transfers etc; not willing to forego veto he currently has.
Thus, unless ETH signs a contract that addresses these issues, he will surely leave sooner rather than later.
I also think that this is linked to INEOS treading water and not making such an important decision until Ashworth arrives, maybe in the Autumn.
So thanks for your rumour BRD: really wouldn’t surprise me if ETH does go soon.
(Also, snippet from Ed002 post about see what happens after the Euros…)
16.) 16 Jun 2024 08:39:17
nothing changes. Those who wanted him gone will be out in full force after every bad result and those who wanted him to continue will focus more on the positives, that's football.
I think people using player issues as stick to beat the manager is clutching at straws as there seems to be an issue with every manager and some of these players, who want to run riot at the club and ill disciplined and suspect the review has highlighted that given some of the statements that has come out from Ineos.
One thing for sure many of the players put in major shifts for him and most are the ones people really like and the untouchable group.
Still waiting for clubs to line up to buy this so called incredible player Sancho for a fraction of what we paid for him who eth has ruined or been responsible for the fall out supposedly :)
Personally hope we get a lot of outs and 4 maybe 5 quality ins. I trust with a better group of players he will do exceptionally well.
I don't believe all the stories circulating about a 35 to 50 mill budget. it's stirring the pot as usual when it comes to united. The 2021 financials, which were very bad drop out come end of June and we should have a much higher budget on transfers. If we can shift players would not surprise me to see 200 mill spend.
Here is to hoping we get a lot of key things done this summer.
17.) 16 Jun 2024 08:50:37
Yet you feel its worth your time replying wazza? Not the brightest bulb are ya.
18.) 16 Jun 2024 08:59:04
redseven
If you are referring to the story circulating about cas being unhappy we went for Hoiland and not Kane or were late to chase rice. Those were club decisions.
Also if you are referring to Antony being a twat and being unhappy when asked to play left back late in a game with the team having no left back most of the season and think that's okay then that's a strange view and doubt at most other top clubs it would be tolerated. Camavingha played left back for real season before last including the semis against city.
And if rash is unhappy for being asked to play wide because we bought a young striker who plays down the middle and also help defensively. Or sanch and ronaldo both ignoring instructions to press the ball and wanting to do their own thing, I guess we have a different philosophy all together when it comes to management, players and what's acceptable behavior and what is not.
Clutching at straws mate. at least wait until we lose a game before it starts:)
19.) 16 Jun 2024 10:42:43
Ahmad, you are absolutely right about the players having problems with successive managers.
It makes you wonder how some can defend the players.
The latest rumours are Varane and Casemiro being unhappy that training at Manchester United is different to at Real Madrid. I do wonder if these players have a few brain cells to rub together between them.
It should be perfectly obvious that if you choose to move employer, you are going to be expected to learn new policies and procedures. That is true whether you are a footballer or an office worker. The response to these players should be swift, you’re not at Real Madrid now, you chose to switch employer, and now you adapt to our way of working.
20.) 16 Jun 2024 10:42:50
Noted Wazza, thanks for the heads up. Can probably pick the other account names!
21.) 16 Jun 2024 11:08:13
Just a guess Jimbo due to the broken record that’s playing.
22.) 16 Jun 2024 11:11:08
Ahmad. Funny how they always seem to be “club decisions” when it suits your narrative.
And we’ve already lost more than enough games, thanks. Fact is, we’ve been awful since the Carabao Cup final back in January 2023, and were it not for Rashford’s unprecedented purple patch, Ten Haag would have been out the door last summer rather than this one. Hopefully, one of INEOS’s main targets becomes available before the start of the season and we can finally start to rebuild.
23.) 16 Jun 2024 14:53:31
redseven
You are clutching at straws. get used to seeing him as the manger and i suspect for a lot longer than you think. You are referring to the Laurie Whitwell article from the athletic, which is very detailed from the start of eth tenure. Funny how you take bits and pieces to suit your argument that is far from some of the core issues at the club that sounds unbelievable. my take was the manager is the least of our problems and many things to get fixed before you get to the manager.
24.) 16 Jun 2024 21:31:02
Everyone bashed the OP. Only for ETH to come out today to confirm that the issues with the new contract persist.
25.) 17 Jun 2024 06:46:25
He said they still have to find an agreement on the new contract. This isn’t news.
26.) 17 Jun 2024 08:20:05
Just hope INEOS not stalling for time to bring Ashworth and Southgate in, so they can rebuild United replicating the process they took with England…
Southgate might get on well with the players but, as witnessed last night, he seems to really lack in-game management and the nous to make changes.
27.) 17 Jun 2024 10:55:58
Wallace, gets on well with the players, lacks in-game management etc. Kind of reminds you of another manager we had recently doesn't it?
Honestly, I'm dreading the possibility of Southgate as manager. If we are going to have a manager purely based on his ability to keep the players happy, we should bring Ole back. I still believe that while he certainly wasn't good enough, he could have improved in those areas, arguably had even started to, and I'd much rather suffer through a couple of years of him while he learns to make changes during a match than have Southgate.
For the record, I'm not seriously advocating bringing OGS back (although I wouldn't be as opposed to it as many would I suspect), just ponting out the irony of Southgate being a rumoured target, when he's got such similar weaknesses to Ole, and IMO isn't any better of a manager.
09 Dec 2020 11:46:56
Phil Jones links to Newcastle surface again. Something went so badly wrong with this guy. A major lesson to be learnt by the club as oozed potential. Now, the more pressing question is how much better than Jones is Maguire? No joke. The gap is not as big as we'd like or hope.
1.) 09 Dec 2020 13:03:02
The gap is huge, one is on the pitch training and playing, the other is on the treatment table. His injuries ruined any chance he had, just never got a good full season.
2.) 09 Dec 2020 13:03:20
I've always called Maguire the fully fit version of Phil Jones. Maguire is just as calamitous as Jones.
The question is, does OGS have the balls to drop his underperformers.
3.) 09 Dec 2020 13:04:06
If I remember correctly we tried to sign Jones that same season you did and when that didn't work we went with Henderson. Seemed a huge mistake @ the time.
4.) 09 Dec 2020 13:24:57
Mad Hatter, doesn’t seem so. It mystifies me how Tuanzebe has not featured more after his performance away to PSG. He made Mbappe look ordinary and Lindelof better. Price tags matter at United. Only conclusion that can be drawn.
5.) 09 Dec 2020 17:21:55
Why is Jones anything to do with Henderson? Both different positions.
6.) 10 Dec 2020 08:28:42
Not sure Maguire is an £80m upgrade on Smalling though for example.
7.) 10 Dec 2020 15:04:40
BRD,
I agree with you. i'd quite like to see how a Bailly and Tuanzebe partnership would work. The problem is players come back from injuries and don't get game time for ages. Then they get thrown in at the deep end and get slated for notnpkaying well, when they haven't played enough games to be match sharp. I remember when OGS put Bailly at RB against Barcelona. He hadn't played any football prior to then as he had been injured.
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25 Sep 2024 22:22:10
Swap the managers around and United win. Plain and simple. Sick of this fraud. We had home advantage and at the risk of sounding arrogant the best players.
Result. Draw. Of course. City. Liverpool. Arsenal. Villa. Spurs. Brighton. Newcastle. All win this comfortably.
1-0 up and he sends Garnacho on and tells him “Defend, defend, defend”. Jesus wept.
1.) 25 Sep 2024 23:12:40
'They wanted it more their players fight for everything we didn't' that's what our manager bloke said.
I think our next 3 are spurs Porto and villa.
He needs to sort it out and quickly we can't afford to lose any of those 3 games.
2.) 26 Sep 2024 06:04:28
One nil up at home against what is regarded as a minnow, his tactical instructions to Garnacho, probably our most vibrant attacker, as heard by Hargreaves himself, defend defend defend. It’s hard to comprehend. That goes against everything the club stands for. SAF must be shaking his head. I certainly am.
Anaemic, afraid to lose, trying to hold onto a one goal lead at home. Unbelievable, unacceptable yet again.
Spurs next and anything other than a win and he must go. Sorry I am not going to buy this dross beyond that. He MUST now show he is a United standard manager, dominate Spurs, playing attacking football score goals and win. Come out fighting, No more of this dross.
3.) 26 Sep 2024 06:27:26
People still believe he will do better. 3 years and half bilion pounds later, we still average.
4.) 26 Sep 2024 06:53:26
@Tumble. There’s zero chance we don’t lose at least one of those three. Possibly two.
5.) 26 Sep 2024 06:58:24
How very dare you attack the tactical master? Wash your mouths out!
6.) 26 Sep 2024 07:11:06
@ brd. We just need a change of luck. ??.
7.) 26 Sep 2024 08:44:16
Lads, we can’t expect to beat a side of Twente’s calibre with our left back out injured….
In all seriousness, it’s a shambles. Keeping him was a terrible decision and he needs moved on.
8.) 26 Sep 2024 08:59:30
never really been a fan of sacking managers but this guy is getting hard to support!
think his "vote of confidense "was born out of replacement being somewhat not so great" but he has to go. Consistantly poor team set up players only partially coming to the party and tactically. rubbish.
the options are
zidane, don't think it would work he has only managed a winning team that most could simply manage
tuchel- a problematic personality
potter and southgate --just no
a decent shout could be max allegri?
thought he would last till xmas given fixtures and transfers he got in the summer but doubt he will last past the next international break.
9.) 26 Sep 2024 09:13:25
As boyzone said, it’s better when you say nothing at all. ?.
10.) 26 Sep 2024 09:21:56
How many times have we heard “they just wanted it more” during Ten Haag’s tenure? I’m sick of it. We’ve changed the players and the management structure at the club but still the same problems persist. It shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the culprit. The man can’t manage, can’t motivate, and refuses to take responsibility for his many mistakes.
We’ve reached a point where I’d rather see Southgate in the dugout than this pretender, which really is saying something. Ten Haag isn’t fit to manage a McDonald’s, so unless he’s come to clean the bathrooms, he has no business being at one of the biggest football clubs in the world.
11.) 26 Sep 2024 09:30:27
I don't see us winning any of those games.
12.) 26 Sep 2024 10:17:52
A poor result, Utd should be beating this calibre of side in Europe especially at home as there are far trickier ties to come.
The next three games are definitely harder on paper than our last three. We tend to rise to the occasion when we're expected to lose and flunk our lines in the games we're expected to win.
13.) 26 Sep 2024 12:19:17
Remember everyone "we must stick to the plan".
What f**king plan Eric?
It's absolute dross!
I can see us loosing the next 3 games.
Im sick to death of him now.
22 Sep 2024 09:02:08
Liverpool - Defeat
Brighton - Defeat
Palace - Draw
Southampton - Win
Barnsley - Win
The table never lies. Defines the pedigree of ETH quite nicely.
1.) 22 Sep 2024 09:52:31
BRD,
You throwing your toys out of your pram.
2.) 22 Sep 2024 13:33:49
BRD, the table never lies only when all the games have been played.
As always you like to remove any and all context to support your rhetoric.
The Liverpool game is the only game where we played badly. We started well and were the better side for the first 15 minutes or so. But then Liverpool slowly got a hold of the game, scored a quick souple of goals and our confidence crumbled. That was poor and no one is saying any differently.
We should have beaten Fulham far more comfortably than we did, wasting 2 or 3 really good chances.
The game against Brighton we were sucker punched, we had the better of the chances and shaded them in terms of performance. But got caught in extra time. That was unlucky.
We were far and away the better team against Palace, but came up against a man of the match performance from our former academy keeper Dean Henderson, while we should have done better with a couple of the chances we had.
This season in the EPL we are currently:
4th for touches of the ball.
3rd for number of passes.
6th for possession.
5th for number of shots.
1st for number of "big chances" missed.
Joint 2nd for number of times we've hit the woodwork.
Joint 2nd with Arsenal for clean sheets.
Onana has gone from 2nd most saves made in the league last season to currently 16th. Due to being much better defensively.
We are 2nd in the league for expected goals (xG), if you understand that stat.
Yet despite all those stats highlighting where we rank in terms of many different performance based metrics we are 11th in the table.
I assure you at this stage of the season the table very much lies.
The managers job is to come up with tactics, game plan and team selection to support the team performance. Yet results often depend on individual performance and not the team performance.
For us so far this season we have been let down by individual players finishing. Players presented with good opportunities but they fail to capitalise on them.
The team have played well, or at least well enough in all the matches, bar the Liverpool game, to win all of them.
Based on performances this season we deserved to beat Palace, get a bare minimum of a draw with Brighton, possibly a win. We should have also got an extra goal or two against Fulham to improve that goal difference.
That would give us a minimum of an extra 3 points and put us on par with Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle (4th, 5th and 6th), or maybe an extra 5 points and put us level with Liverpool, City and Villa (1st, 2nd and 3rd) .
But we aren't there, and that is down to players not taking good chances created for them. That is down to individual players and not the manager.
3.) 22 Sep 2024 14:01:06
If you don't see or recognize a major positive change in terms of everything we are doing and patterns of play, you are blinded by your personal bias towards the manager.
4.) 22 Sep 2024 14:22:28
saves, shots xG etc does not cut it Shappy, we do not have an out and out goal scorer. There are only 4 teams who have scored fewer goals than us this season and three other teams tied with us on 5 apiece.
ETH will be gone soon enough, as we do not score anywhere near enough goals, our goal difference is 0, probably only as we have strengthened the defence, and are not as open in midfield.
If you do not score goals yon cannot win games, no matter what the stats say, end of really. We have not really addressed the goal scoring situation in the past 3 - 5 years. Zirkzee is another hopeful to go alongside Hojlund, he is 23 and should be ripping it up by now.
It is just not good enough, we need and should have several proven goal scorers, we are Man Utd, renowned for entertaining football. Fergie always had options upfront, at this present moment in time we do not.
5.) 22 Sep 2024 14:31:02
I will skweem, and skweeem, and skweem. (stamps feet loudly)
6.) 22 Sep 2024 15:12:17
Jrred, only Liverpool have created more chances to score than us so far this season.
Let that sink in for a minute.
We have created more chances than Arsenal, City, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle and Villa.
All teams that have been praised this season for their good play and form, and rightly so for the most of it.
Yes we could do with a world class striker. Ashworth should have popped down to the local ASDA where they have shelves and shelves of them.
Seriously the 36m we spent on Zirkzee was all we had to spend on a striker this summer. The only way to spend more would have been to not buy one of MdL or Ugarte. Both of which were needed.
So which world class strikers do you think we could have signed this summer?
The reality is there are very few top end strikers available, we were not the only team looking for one this summer, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barcelona, and AC Milan were all looking for a new striker, and none of them signed one better than Zirkzee or at all in most cases.
If there was a top class striker available this summer all those clubs would have likely been ahead of us in the queue for them as well.
Your suggestion that EtH should be sacked because the players he has aren't good enough seems an odd one.
Surely if we don't have good enough players that is on the club and not the manager.
The manager has devised a system, tactics and a game plan that is consistently producing good chances for our forwards. He has done everything he can to support the players, but he can't kick the ball for them.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and likewise we cannot rebuild the squad in one summer. No matter who the club signed this summer there was going to be holes in the squad and areas of clear weakness. In light of so few good options up front they have chosen to rebuild other areas of the squad where they could bring in quality players.
Maybe next summer a top class striker is available and we can move for them, or maybe there won't be and we will need to continue developing the players we have.
Still no point crying over things that cannot be changed.
{Ed001's Note - Gyokeres was available in the summer.}
7.) 22 Sep 2024 15:30:47
Ed001, so was Santiago Gimenez, yet no one was prepared to pay what it would have cost to get them.
United definitely didn't have the funds without making concessions elsewhere.
For United to sign Gyokeres it would have meant not signing both of Zirkzee and Yoro and use those funds on Gyokeres instead.
In the short term maybe that would have been a good idea, but long term I think United made the right choice with Yoro and Zirkzee.
{Ed001's Note - not a chance, you are deluded if you think that. I like Zirkzee but you needed Gyokeres not him and he would have made much more difference to you. He is a goalscorer.
Not sure what Giminez has to do with anything, other than you trying to pull meaningless names out of a hat to prove some non-existent point.}
8.) 22 Sep 2024 16:06:47
We have had trouble converting big chances for a number of seasons, not sure why it still hasn't been solved.
My personal bug bear however is the lack of movement off the ball when in possession, it is far too static.
9.) 22 Sep 2024 17:39:22
I'm not going to paste a pre-copied list of strikers here, but I'm sure if a few months ago we were asked to come up with handful of options to spend £40m I'm sure Joshua Zirkzee wouldn't have been on anyone's list. It feels like nothing more than a Dutch connection to me. We are not feared with this selection of attacking players. Maybe that will change if we can continue with this better run and confidence grows. As long as we don't see that ridiculous Mount/ Fernandes pairing again maybe there's a glint of light at the end of the tunnel.
10.) 22 Sep 2024 18:02:44
Rhetoric. Get a grip Shappy. It’s my opinion driven by the facts of our season so far. Deluded belief based on victories against Barnsley and Southampton.
Then ETH drops the only in-form goal scorer we have. Then what happens? 0-0. Absolute shambles of a manager.
11.) 22 Sep 2024 18:09:17
I did expect Rashy to start based on the Barnsley game but to be fair Garnacho also played well in that game, and we've all been crying out for Diallo to start more, so something had to give.
12.) 22 Sep 2024 18:37:47
Sounds like a wake here. We drew and played really well. on another day we win 3-0. we are creating chances with a team that has quite a few new players in it that just getting their feet wet. Take stock after 10 games and midway through the season imo. until then let it develop.
I am very optimistic goals will come, these players are too good to keep missing. Making life difficult for ourselves atm but like a lot of things I am seeing.
13.) 22 Sep 2024 18:47:37
So our top goalscorer Spenno?
The team needed a victory. A decent one, not just the should-easily-be-beaten if we think we’re as good as we believe we are.
ETH talked about rotating players. For what exactly? Twente? Give me a break. Palace was the much bigger game and our inability to score cost us again. Maybe though ETH knows he won’t get top-4 so prioritising Europa?
Rashford should have played and then rested in the week ready for Spurs.
Like many I’m frustrated by Rashford. But. He was the most in-form fit striker we had. ETH instead (having spent months trying to get the guy in form) tries to be cute. He benches him. Yet again he derails any chance of progress with his selections.
Really don’t care what jibes are thrown my way. ETH is not a top-tier manager and never will be.
{Ed077's Note - in reference to the discussion on strikers above, We didn't fail to score against Palace because our Striker was poorin fact Zirkzee helped create chances and should have had an assist or 2 but our other players failed to score from the chances he, and others, had created.
14.) 22 Sep 2024 20:21:58
Now they all want rashy to start lol. if he starts they all complain because amad or garna get dropped. Honestly can't make this stuff up.
15.) 22 Sep 2024 21:40:34
If it don’t go in the net it ain’t a goal!
Quote stats all you like but the one that counts is goals. Simple fact.
16.) 23 Sep 2024 08:22:13
KEEFYT7143, that is what I was saying above, you can use all the stats you want but if you do not score a goal you ain't going to win, simples!
Shappy thanks for the quote of 'only Liverpool have created more chances to score than us so far this season', that is exactly my point, stats are meaningless, basically created and promoted by marketing gurus of TV and betting companies.
17.) 23 Sep 2024 09:26:31
Amen to that jrred.
11 Sep 2024 21:03:08
Feels like time for a poll Eds.
ETH in or out?
{Ed033's Note -
ETH in or out poll
1.) 11 Sep 2024 22:30:27
It depends on the 8 weeks. Too early to say.
2.) 12 Sep 2024 10:04:13
It's not been a strong start to the season, but then it never has been under EtH. Even in his first season where he did well, all things considered.
There has been a massive upheaval over the summer, lots of players leaving, a massive reshaping of the squad, almost an entire new coaching staff, new people up and down the club and a new structure.
There was always a good chance that it would take a little while for the ship to stop rocking and for us to find a new groove.
I don't think anything can or should be done this side of Christmas unless we go in to full meltdown.
The reality is that many of our best players are young, and young players struggle for consistency, while we have very few experienced players with enough quality to carry them.
From what I've seen we haven't been anywhere near good enough, yet we have been better than last season and you can see some of the new ideas in spells during games.
It'll take time to perfect it and to bring up the players confidence and consistency in what they are being asked to do.
Unfortunately I think we need the one thing football fans lack, patience.
3.) 12 Sep 2024 11:04:25
Ah, patience. In terms of the EtH era, and in particular everything that has happened in the last 6 months, we need to allow things to settle and see where we are in another season or two.
Add up every era post SAF era however, and it's easy to see why patience is being tested. In the grand scheme of things we've won a couple of cups in this period, but because the golden age of Fergie was so great and doesn't seem such distant history, the drop-off has been immense, and the football has been consistently poor under each subsequent manager.
Fortunately it feels as if we are definitely doing things differently this time round and there is a lot of experience around the manager. I do believe things will come good but there has to be an immediate improvement in style or the manager may not be the benefactor of everything positive happening around him.
4.) 12 Sep 2024 14:03:03
Depends on for whom .?
27 May 2024 14:21:59
The fan campaign to keep ETH is a joke. For years we’ve begged for a football structure made up of football (not finance) experts. Now we have the start of one it’s supposed to not use its knowledge, experience and skills to respect the wishes of a petition to keep ETH. All on the back of winning an FA Cup.
The ultimatum to either respect ‘our’ wishes or face the backlash that “INEOS are as bad as the Glazers” is pathetic and childish.
Such loyalty to a man who has overseen the worst season for many years is admirable but wholly naive. However, everybody is entitled to their opinion. But the one that matters is that of the football board.
If the board decide to keep ETH, so be it. But it should be a footballing decision based on a review of the last 2-years and whether ETH suits the footballing strategy defined solely by the board.
For fans to collectively believe they know best. Words fail me. It’s liquid arrogance. The club, and in particular the development of a squad, needs to become resilient to the negative impact experienced due to managerial changes.
I pray the club do not listen to the fans, the media or even ETH telling the press he’ll go somewhere else and carry on winning there.
Personally, I think it’s more important that supporters should show faith in the likes of SJR (as co-owner) and Wilcox, Ashworth and Berrada. They are the long term future.
1.) 27 May 2024 15:08:02
What about in his first season, 2 finals and 1 cup and 3rd place finish? With a better available squad? Imagine if arteta/ Klopp were fired in their first two seasons.
Hopefully with a better structure above him, and better available squad we should see a much improved 3rd season.
If not EtH, who would you pick? Tuchel who falls out with everyone, Frank who hasn’t won anything, McKenna who hasn’t even managed in the PL or Poch who has never won anything in his time in the PL?
2.) 27 May 2024 15:21:09
I don't believe any of those involved are mugs and am not worried Iver then pandering to fans whims. I think they will pick who they think the best man is.
Who that turns out to be, Lord knows. I don't think they keep Ten Hag if there is a better option. I also don't think there is a clear and obvious outstanding alternative either so I am going to just trust them to get it right.
I think Ten Hag words and fight resonated with the fans after the final. I think it did him a world of good in the eyes of the mob.
3.) 27 May 2024 16:36:51
Too many football experts on twitter and YouTube. Embarassing. If we start next season poorly they’ll be calling for his head before Xmas. The glazer thing to do would be to listen to the mob and appease the fans, INEOS I hope are different, base your decision on facts and a clear vision…. nothing else.
4.) 27 May 2024 17:02:30
BRD what absolute utter garbage.
Why should fans put our faith in Ineos? Because they have done such a fantastic job with Nice and have a track record of turning football clubs around? Nonsense.
Of course they need to take into consideration the will of the fans. Its the paying fans who keep the club going. Its because of the fans we aren't joining the European Super League.
If you're happy with Ineos rejecting the fans opinion, and running a dictatorship club then so be it. It's no surprise we are in the sh*t we are. You're part of the problem.
5.) 27 May 2024 17:13:48
He's the 5th Manager since SAF, including some. big names, they have all struggled which tells you something is wrong. He's had 2 years, don't underestimate how much he will have learnt about the club, SAF had a dogy start remember. Changing Manager every 2 years is just madness.
6.) 27 May 2024 17:37:48
Another load of rubbish BRD.
He also oversaw our best season for years last season. But let’s erase that from the history books.
7.) 27 May 2024 19:00:22
We've seen EtH during the highs and the lows. He kept on fighting and we won the FA Cup.
Give him one more season. INEOS haven't completed their structure yet and will have to implement over the course of next season aswell, in particular when Ashworth eventually joins.
8.) 27 May 2024 19:55:31
Erm Kurtis, we should put faith in Ineos because they are putting a footballing structure in place with highly qualified individuals for the roles. Why should we listen to you sat un your arm chair over the likes of Jean Claude, Omar Berrerda, Jason Wilcox and Dan Ashworth? Show us your credentials.
9.) 27 May 2024 22:03:10
G_Nev at what point did I say I know more than those being appointed? Oh yeah I didn't. I'm stating the opinion I'm entitled to as a fan and highlighting the history of Ineos "success" with their other club.
Go crawl back under your bridge.
10.) 27 May 2024 22:43:24
@Kurtis. How, exactly, am I part of the problem? I share my opinion of ETH in here and with friends - and I’m quite sure this forum and my local has no sway over club strategy. I certainly don’t get on ETH’s back when I go to games. I don’t throw my toys out of the pram on X, Facebook or some stupid petition.
And, to suggest that if the club do something that many fans are against will in some way bring the club to its needs is laughable. Fans will still turn up and buy their merchandise even if the football board sack ETH. The supporters to date were weak and benign in their efforts to get the Glazers out - myself included. We accept big decisions because as much as we’d like to think we can sway them we can’t. If you think fan reaction to sacking ETH will somehow worry the board then you’re going to be disappointed.
They’re not rejecting fans opinion, they’re relying on their own. That’s very different. I find it reassuring. They know far more than you and I ever will about football club ownership, strategy and such decision making and will use facts and evidence spanning ETH’s entire time at the club. You’re basing it on one weekend. Short sighted. I’d hate an owner that made a decision based on ONE GAME!
What’s so sad about this situation is virtually everybody in here wanted Qatar or SJR to get the Glazers out. A process has started and you’re on the new owner’s back already. SJR has spent £1.25 billion to be able to make such decisions and you think he’s the kind of guy that is deterred by social media or you calling me part of the problem.
Finally, to compare sacking ETH to the proposed ESL is daft. The ESL involved and united supporters from multiple clubs. It was going to be a paradigm shift in football competition. It was anti-competitive and one step towards franchised football. You’re comparing that to one club sacking a manager? A futile and desperate comparison to win an argument.
11.) 28 May 2024 13:59:05
BRD
When did what the fans think become a joke. Saw a pole 78% want his to stay 13 percent gone and 9 undecided. I don't think its about winning one game but a massive majority look at our year maybe not with as a critical eye as the small minority. You are a small minority and also have a voice and opinion.
Why do the fans need to back Ineos over eth, we have seen nothing yet from ineos to judge them by anything. If you go by the nice experience they screwed taht up until now but have lost their manager to Nice.
ETh has won two trophies with a injury plagued squad, 3 finals. City's first ever domestic cup defeat under Guardiola.
This page wants most of the players gone but a handful including yourself who is quick to tell us during the season how most of these players are no good. If we are that bad then why the lofty expectations. Can't have it both ways.
27 Apr 2024 17:01:37
In less than a week, we struggle to beat Sheffield Utd, we can’t beat Burnley, and ETH tells us we won’t win the league next season. Now I see why so many believe he’s the right man.
1.) 27 Apr 2024 17:59:13
Brd.
I think we all know in reality the likelihood is we won't win the league.
However no top class manager privately never mind publicly concedes before a ball is kicked.
It's ole-esque statement.
He just should learn about the power of silence. That should never have been said. The press are playing him like a fiddle. He's a goner.
All we have as fans is hope the last man we need crushing our hope is the man in charge.
2.) 27 Apr 2024 18:20:22
Perfectly put Tumble!
3.) 27 Apr 2024 18:22:58
Totally disagree tumble. It is time this fan base takes a breath and realised what we are. Until we truely accept that we are not the club of 15 years ago, we will continue with this rubbish. First we need to be honest with where we are, then we need to start the rebuild we know we need.
We can't just buy 1 or 2 players, change the manager and expect to challenge city. Does it hurt people's feeling to hear that?
Took Liverpool a long time to realise what they were, and they had a few false dawn's along the way. They won some cups, but it was a commitment to a style, breaking up the old and bringing in players for that style that finally helped them break through. Arsenal similar story.
I like to hear the honesty from ten hag. He is right, we are miles off challenging. Do you disagree?
4.) 27 Apr 2024 18:28:10
The guy can’t win no matter what he says
If he says “we’re not that far away from challenging” he gets called deluded
He then says we aren't close which is realistic and still gets slaughtered.
If anyone thinks we’re close to city and arsenal need to go doctors even with a good window we are miles off.
5.) 27 Apr 2024 18:39:36
We are miles off and we will be even further away if he stays. Struggled at home against 2 sides who’ll be in the EFL next season and you’d struggle to tell a gap between them and us. Tactically naive and stubborn with crap players is a recipe for disaster. And for all the backing that he’s got crap players, a lot of those he wanted so he’s got to take responsibility there too. Honestly just end the season now. Limping in the cup final to get a hiding…. what fun!
6.) 27 Apr 2024 18:55:47
You’re right Bolger. He finds winning very hard indeed.
7.) 27 Apr 2024 19:14:04
Ten hags honesty? He's deluded, the most entertaining team in the league.
A better coach gets more out of these players. Being honest a better coach doesn't sign half of the players ten hag has chosen to bring in. Question marks on all of them. Clubs fault for giving him to much say so.
8.) 27 Apr 2024 19:19:30
I just want to enjoy watching my team. For 12 months it’s been shocking. Towards the end of last season in April it was poor. This entire season has been ridiculous.
Trophies will come in time, and they’re great. But for the love of god I just want to enjoy what I’m seeing.
9.) 27 Apr 2024 19:43:50
Yes DB I disagree.
10.) 27 Apr 2024 20:04:25
Caolan_2 sums it up. I’d swap a trophy winning season full of crap football for nothing more than entertaining football that makes me want to walk through that turnstile.
11.) 27 Apr 2024 22:22:57
Or Tumblr.
He could be echoing SJR comments about patience.
Here is a fact. We will not win the league next year.
Here is another fact. We will have the same posters posting the same repetitive tosh next season.
Here is where the facts get less predictable. We might have the direction of the club in order, the backroom staff aligned, plans in place for the redevelopment of OT and training facilities, a pathway to the first team for all youth players worthy of a place, a transfer strategy that identifies any shortcomings from the youth setups and plugs accordingly based upon solid research from our upgraded scouting network, the players who have downed tools repeatedly over the last few tenures will have been moved on etc etc etc.
As SJR has stated clearly, EtH less clearly, and I've been saying. We are in a period of actual transition, where we have a plan. I don't believe all the previous comments about transition have been accurate, they have been lies from the board all the way down the club hierarchy. Now we actual have plans in place to rectify any issues that are preventing the club from competing again. That's right, not winning trophies, just competing. That is step 1.
Have we been dire this year and a few of the last 10, yes.
Will we fix all those issues in 3 months before the new season kick off, no.
Just be patient and trust the process, otherwise you will die a few years younger my friend.
12.) 27 Apr 2024 23:51:45
Im Not stressed at all jimbo this is my hobby supporting united. Well one of them.
I'm very well aware of the process we need to umberto from a structural point of view.
I know it's not a quick fix I don't expect one at all.
2 / season of continuous improvement. A team and coach the fans can identify with. That will take time.
Eth is in my opinion not the fan to k lead us.
The people in charge of this new process did not put him in and I feel its inevitable that he goes in the summer.
I'm OK and more confidant and comfortable if they put their own man in. I think they will be too.
If that sets us back a year I'm OK with that. It's a great opportunity for the right man.
15 Jun 2024 14:41:19
Don’t think I’ll bother posting in here again.
{Ed002's Note - I'll have your account deleted then.}
13 Jun 2024 07:50:35
I can understand keeping him on a year. Perplexed by the 2-year extension.
If as rumours are circulating he still has demands for transfer and tactical control before signing then it’s a disaster if the club cave on these. He’s shown questionable ability in both areas. In particular tactical nous against a low block which for me is why we won’t get top-4.
I’m curious Eds if any of you have the time. Did Wilcox have any influence on tactics for Cup Final? The switch to a false nine the game before seems to be credited to him in some quarters.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}
28 May 2024 12:37:01
How have they had 'months' @Shawthing? It's only just finished! They just can't win. Moan when they wait and you would have moaned if they didn't.
18 Apr 2024 14:55:46
Excuse me @Shappy, but have we really got that?
Any true disciplinarian would have dropped Rashford weeks ago. He would not have tolerated the night clubbing in Ireland. He wouldn't have let Antony waste a position in the team week after week. He would have sorted out the dressing room leaks. He would crack down on social media likes and huffs. He would sort out the rancid relationship with certain social media hacks and all told, he would have created a far different culture to the one we have now. A professional, team focused, results orientated culture.
I see things happening around the team that rarely seem to happen anywhere else. So no, those of us that wanted more discipline are still waiting. More than discipline, I want a coach that earns the respect of the players in such a manner that discipline as a verb, rather than an adjective, isn rarely necessary. A manager who walks in and respect just happens. Example. Ancelotti. The man oozes class and the right to be respected. I don't see that in ETH. In fact I haven't seen that since Sir Alex.
16 Apr 2024 12:56:31
Holy cow. One of your best ever Ed!
09 Oct 2024 07:46:21
100# Shappy.
08 Oct 2024 07:21:44
Mine was at Hillsborough. 1976. Cup semi v Derby County. Gordon Hill won 2-0.
07 Oct 2024 07:46:55
That’s not true at all @Ports. Deeply unfair. It seems everyone in here accepts he has to go now. All it demonstrates is we all differ in levels of patience and belief in his abilities. Also, maybe some were more willing to put their neck on the line much earlier than others to question his suitability to the club. Who knows. If he’s not sacked and goes on a 20-game unbeaten run after the international break then we’ll all look stupid.
Always seems such a shame that differing opinions can’t be treated with less hostility in here. We have no skin in the game. Seems it’s too important to be right rather than contribute to an interesting discussion.
04 Oct 2024 12:19:15
@DLIB. 100%. Rashford is a luxury that seldom delivers. I can think of very few elite managers that would tolerate him even if he did.
03 Oct 2024 15:15:28
Great post @Norn_84.