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09 Dec 2020 11:46:56
Phil Jones links to Newcastle surface again. Something went so badly wrong with this guy. A major lesson to be learnt by the club as oozed potential. Now, the more pressing question is how much better than Jones is Maguire? No joke. The gap is not as big as we'd like or hope.


1.) 09 Dec 2020 13:03:02
The gap is huge, one is on the pitch training and playing, the other is on the treatment table. His injuries ruined any chance he had, just never got a good full season.

2.) 09 Dec 2020 13:03:20
I've always called Maguire the fully fit version of Phil Jones. Maguire is just as calamitous as Jones.

The question is, does OGS have the balls to drop his underperformers.

3.) 09 Dec 2020 13:04:06
If I remember correctly we tried to sign Jones that same season you did and when that didn't work we went with Henderson. Seemed a huge mistake @ the time.

4.) 09 Dec 2020 13:24:57
Mad Hatter, doesn’t seem so. It mystifies me how Tuanzebe has not featured more after his performance away to PSG. He made Mbappe look ordinary and Lindelof better. Price tags matter at United. Only conclusion that can be drawn.

5.) 09 Dec 2020 17:21:55
Why is Jones anything to do with Henderson? Both different positions.

6.) 10 Dec 2020 08:28:42
Not sure Maguire is an £80m upgrade on Smalling though for example.

7.) 10 Dec 2020 15:04:40

I agree with you. i'd quite like to see how a Bailly and Tuanzebe partnership would work. The problem is players come back from injuries and don't get game time for ages. Then they get thrown in at the deep end and get slated for notnpkaying well, when they haven't played enough games to be match sharp. I remember when OGS put Bailly at RB against Barcelona. He hadn't played any football prior to then as he had been injured.




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13 Jan 2024 16:27:31
Reading fans showing us how it’s done.


1.) 13 Jan 2024 21:17:51
That must surely depend on what it is they're reading.

2.) 13 Jan 2024 23:19:52
Classic dad joke. Love it!



24 Dec 2023 21:08:33
So we now have a situation where the more successful INEOS is on the pitch the more likely the Glazers are to hang around longer. The ultimate conundrum for many supporters.


1.) 24 Dec 2023 22:51:50
Not really, if you are a true supporter then all you should care about is the long term success of your club, who owns it or gets richer off the back of owning it really shouldn't be of any concern to supporters of the club.

I'd rather not see Glazer ownership, but what I WANT to see is good football, played with attacking verve, trust in youth, and success on the pitch.

I think too many fans are far too focused on many aspects that should not really be of concern to us. Ultimately the only reason they are is due to a lack of success on the pitch.

2.) 24 Dec 2023 22:53:41
Who would have seen that coming!

3.) 25 Dec 2023 00:00:23
Spot on Shappy . Some people seems to hate Glazers even more than they love United . As far as we see improvement on football facilities etc I don’t care if Glazers make more money.

4.) 25 Dec 2023 02:28:36

The Glazers and their respective networks will always make money, that's the legacy of Malcolm.
Manchester United sits within the collective business portfolio of the broad network and is therefore a means to make more money.

The 2 main problems at United under the Glazers are the debt and sporting mismanagement.
I don't believe for a second that Joel and Avram were the only two siblings interested in remaining, nor do I believe that any of them are in touch with reality.

The only way the debt would be removed was offered by Jassim, but he didn't offer them enough so that simply wasn't an option.
Sir Jim was never going to push for a full buyout, but offered more flexibility which appealed to their greed.
So really, of the 2 main problems at the club, only 1 was at all possible.

The 25% stake is not the ideal outcome any of us wanted, but it does come with a commitment to sporting endeavour from a group with far greater credibility than the mugs we've had to suffer for so long.

This has, so far, been a season where good news and vibes have been in very short supply, I'll take this positive news for what it is - the potential of seeing fortunes improve.

{Ed001's Note - just to point out, from what I have been told regarding the siblings, only Joel and Avram have any interest in keeping the club. That has been part of the issue with the sale. They never wanted to sell, the rest wanted rid. One of them, I can't remember which one off the top of my head right now, was the one who was the actual mover behind the Glazers buying the club in the first place. It was not Malcolm who wanted to get involved, it was those two kids who wanted to buy into a Premier League club. One of them did the research and put together the deal, but the other was very much his ally in the whole process. They have never wanted to sell, but obviously they were outnumbered in a family vote to end up with the club up for sale.}

5.) 25 Dec 2023 11:01:29
Minority and non-active members of essentially family businesses tend not to have the same agendas, and frequently want out. It gets even worse as holdings and power dissipate down the generations.

6.) 25 Dec 2023 15:11:01
We all would want the Glazers gone, however as pointed out and referenced by Ed that in hindsight looks like it was never an option and likely why the Qatar bid was unsuccessful.
In light of that we have to look at this deal as better than what we had. What we need to see over the coming months is what happens with the board, hierarchy of the top with change at sporting director etc. would Also like them to comment on the debt and if that is being addressed as well as future dividends. If there is a plan to stop the club hemorrhaging money that is a start.
Comment on the infrastructure and how the club intend to move forward with the ground improvements.

7.) 25 Dec 2023 16:55:43
I’m not for one minute suggesting we continue to be unsuccessful to get rid of the Glazers. But, tne prospect of ‘them’ continuing to draw dividends and live the high life of a United Exec sickens me.

8.) 25 Dec 2023 20:09:00
With the right CEO and DoF in place United are more than big enough to be a club who can challenge for titles, whilst bringing though youngsters and playing an attractive brand of football.

The ownership structure for me is far less important than who they bring in to run the the whole show on their behalf. That is why with this move I have hope. Hope that Sir Jim will bring the right people in and that under Ineos this club will move forward to being what I hope it will again.

I understand why people want the Glazers gone, I don't think many people if any actively want them, my biggest problem wasn't the LBO or the dividends, I just think that under their ownership United have been very poorly run and they as owners should have demanded change a lot quicker and put in place a system that ensured United were better run.

That being said, Sir Jim appears to make changes I have wanted for years and if he gets them tight I believe there is a clear way forward for United and for that I will support him.

Not everyone will, but I think he is the best chance we have had since Fergie to actually turn this around.

9.) 26 Dec 2023 18:04:58
Ed001 i remember you have previously said it was Joel.

All investment by Ratcliffe will be in exchange for new shares that's how it works, so if he invests £300m and it gets approved, more class B and A shares will become available to him, so he could buy his way to a majority that way.



21 Dec 2023 19:07:07
The A22 presentation was a nauseatingly disgusting revenue pitch to couldn’t care less about football club owners:

“Let’s create a streaming platform free to viewers (nothing about match going fans) to attract advertisers. ”! Supporters are the product. Not football. No different to your Facebook timeline.

Still a load of crap. Glazers will love it. It’s still much closer to US franchised sport. The top clubs will be safe every season. Still doesn’t explain in detail how our precious football pyramid is preserved. Still doesn’t have the sporting jeopardy of the original knock-out only European Cup. I hope our up and coming football regulator and football fans do what’s needed. Trash this crap.

I miss the days of sheepskin coat chairman smoking cigars and driving around in jags. Football was dodgy, but honest. Pitches weren’t perfect. Neither were the now sanitised tackles. No VAR. No online bookies. Half time scores. A bit rough and ready, but 3pm on a Saturday meant something. The ESL is just another backwards engineered by progress.


1.) 21 Dec 2023 19:58:46
You missed jumpers for goal posts.

2.) 21 Dec 2023 22:31:56
@Dodgy ??.

3.) 22 Dec 2023 15:08:49
Boy bad. exactly how I feel. Couldn't agree more.

4.) 22 Dec 2023 18:36:52
Cuppa at half time Dodgy, last man back goalie, is that your mum calling you for tea, ooh halcyon days.



30 Nov 2023 07:55:43
Bedding a new goalkeeper in is never easy. It can take months. Indeed De Gea was woeful at the beginning. Weak on crosses and couldn’t command his area - if indeed he ever did.

I have sympathy for Onana. He’s playing behind a poor defence in a team that on the whole has been poor. We all know goalkeeping errors are spotlighted more because of the impact. Ridiculous to suggest change.

The goalkeeper I saw at Inter last season is still there. The clamour for us to sign him was there. How fickle just because he’s hit some poor form. Class is permanent etc. He needs time and for the team as a unit to improve too. Both will happen. I’ve seen enough to believe he is far from our biggest issue.


1.) 30 Nov 2023 08:28:36
I have absolutely no sympathy for him. He is a Champions League finalist previously played for top European teams. This isn't about bedding in, this is about sheer ability.

The mistakes aren't due to bedding in, they are simply bad goalkeeping - end of. He is not making up for it with his distribution, which was allegedly the best in the world and I would dare say his pass completion probably isn't much better than De Geas.

The simple point is this - if we kept De Gea we would be in the last 16 of the Champions League.

2.) 30 Nov 2023 08:38:35
Onana is a good goalkeeper and has atributes that a lot of goalkeepers do not have. A couple of points though
1. Are we playing the right way to utilise these additional attributes of being a sweeper keeper/ playing out from the back
2. His fundamentals seem flawed. So many times this year he has let in a ball that has been close to him by either making the wrong assumption of where it is going or not having his feet position correct.
The second free kick last night should have been the easier one, the only player making a header was Martial so his assumption should be he will miss it or it will be headed behind. To miss judge that trajectory for me is a problem. he could have even gone with both hands to save it due ro to there actually being less danger.
Hopefully he will come good but needs to be working on the training ground. Whether we see Bayinder at some point if he goes of to the AFCON will be interesting.

3.) 30 Nov 2023 09:03:03
To say that last night's keepers' errors had anything to do with playing behind a weak defence is delusional. All three goals were down to poor keeping and cannot be seen as anything else. I am not suggesting we get rid but we need to be realistic about last night.

4.) 30 Nov 2023 09:28:28
I do worry about his basics. He got praised by the commentators for a decent save against Everton. But none of them pointed out that he parried it back into the goalmouth area, rather than away from goal, necessitating a follow-up block. There's obviously a decent keeper there, and his distribution when he gets the chance, is far superior to Dave's, but Fergie took Dave out for awhile at the start, and he came back stronger. Onana strikes me as the kind of character who would see being dropped for a few games as a challenge, so might be for the best.

5.) 30 Nov 2023 09:39:07
@Fizz. No need to make it personal. I'm not delusional. I'm a realist.

And by the way. It does have an effect. Your entire environment (at home and work) has an impact on your confidence and (peak) performance level. I worked for many years as a performance coach in sport and business having also studied the subject to Masters level. I have a great deal of insight into what impacts performance, both physical and mental. Many performance issues are reduced to the simplest of variables that could never reflect the actual cause/ effect (in this case poor saves) .

Would you let a doctor perform surgery on you if you knew he was going through a tough divorce? Would you expect to get the best from a footballer who is being accused of assault? Where do you draw the line on the influence of external factors?

I'm not trying to manufacture an argument to support Onana. I have no skin in the game. I just have sympathy for his circumstances. Swap him for Ederson at City and you wouldn't spot the difference. Clear example of how environment impacts performance.

6.) 30 Nov 2023 09:47:58
LMAO but who is being personal? I responded to your post. You might not agree with me over a single word in that post but it is what it is and I have no need for your CV.
Have a grand day.

7.) 30 Nov 2023 09:51:28
The keeper had a bad night but while Scott mctominay is in midfield offering nothing in build up or defence we haven't a sniff.

Bruno makes 2 fouls he's supposed to be the attacking player but he's the one who's had to get back because he knows Scott won't.

Mctominay left amrabat and mainoo on their own time and time again allowed them to get straight in at our defence and tackles were made so we could get organised, mctominay is not offering anywhere near enough going forward for what he's costing us in at the back/ in control of the ball.

The goalkeeper on, first goal he's tried to guess where the shots going I can forgive that one, the second was literally right at him, I know martial was running across it but he has to save it. And for the last one his positioning is awful to get beat at the near post like that. He's shown he can do it but he's making very basic errors and showing that some very basic things are issues let's hope he can fix them and quick.

8.) 30 Nov 2023 09:51:51
Errors from direct free kicks can't be put down to the defensive structure, Onana has cost us badly in the champions league.

The playing out from the back struggle is clearly because Martinez and Shaw have been injured, far and away our best technical players which is fair enough in my opinion.

9.) 30 Nov 2023 10:09:20
It doesn't take time for a top professional goalkeeper to make that save. Straight at him. I would have save it myself.

10.) 30 Nov 2023 10:27:34
He's single-handedly cost us half a dozen points in a group that we should definitely have finished at least second in. We all cried for a revolutionary new GK to play with his feet and whilst he's made a few decent saves he's also dropped more than a share of howlers and hasn't transformed anything just yet. We'll never know the full DdG story but I'm sure we'd be going into next week with a great chance of qualifying with him in goal.
But as it stands we still have a chance. He can only improve.

11.) 30 Nov 2023 10:45:36
Sadly a lot of people are easily led by a media narrative.

If you read the press then the only goalkeeper having a poor season is the guy between the sticks for Manchester United. It doesn't matter who that is by the way.

Arsenal's goalkeeping situation is a mess, and one entirely created by Arteta.

It's easy to pick out isolated moments to highlight something, but in doing so you also remove all the context around that situation.

It's like walking into a room as one person explodes and starts tearing into someone else. It might seem unreasonable, or that the person shouting is the aggressor or instigator. But you have no idea what happened before, you have no context.

Football highlights are exactly the same. You are looking at a tiny isolated incident without any context.

Has Onana made mistakes this season? Absolutely. Does that make him a bad keeper? Not really.

Firstly, all players make mistakes. Yet we need to look at the context to get a clearer idea about what is going on.

You could easily such clip up the 4-5 mistakes he has made this season, but that isn't representative of his ability. Imagine if someone did that for you. Just created a montage of every mistake you've made in your career and used that to judge your ability. Completely ignoring the circumstances around why those mistakes happened or all the really good things you've done.

For context around Onana. He currently has the highest save percentage in the EPL this season. He has also faced the 5th highest amount of shots.

What does that tell us? Well it tells us that he is playing behind a very leaky defence that is forcing him into making more saves than he should. Yet he is saving a higher amount of those shots than any other keeper in the league. If we make mistakes 5% of the time, then we will make a mistake once in every 20 times we do something. Therefore, the guy asked to do the task 20 times has once mistakes, whereas the guy asked to do it 100 times makes 5 mistakes. Does that make him worse at his job than the guy who only made the one mistake?

There are several factors as to why our defence is so leaky and Onana being a new keeper is certainly a factor in that. Yet the biggest and most obvious issue is the injuries. We all know that defending is done as a unit, that knowing eachothers game and working together is the key to good defending. Which we also know is pretty much impossible to get in a constantly changing defensive line up. Until we get some consistency in team selection in defence it will be impossible to gain some consistency in performances.

Onana despite facing a huge number of shots (only the keepers at the promoted clubs and Fulham have faced more shots), he has the highest save percentage and the joint most clean sheets in the league. So he clearly isn't a bad shot stopper, in fact he's actually one of the best in the league.

For those saying DDG would have been better, well Onana has a higher save percentage this season than DDG had last season. While if you look at errors leading to a goal, and you average that out against shots faced then DDG made more mistakes leading to a goal last season than Onana currently has this season. Which suggests that if DDG was still here and playing behind this defence and facing the number of shots that Onana has that he would have made MORE errors leading to a goal than the Cameroonian.

Then we have those decrying that Onana was signed for his ball playing ability and that we aren't seeing that from him. Those people seem to have a very short memory. He did play out from the back when he first joined, but once Martinez and Shaw got injured playing out from the back became a liability. None of our other defenders have the technical skills to be press resistant. Meaning every time the keeper played out to them they were being pressed and losing the ball.

If your side will lose the ball everytime your keeper plays out then you might as well get your keeper to play long balls as at least you are losing possession of the ball 60-70 yards from your goal with most of your team behind the ball. As opposed to losing it 30 yards from goal with the majority of your team the wrong side of the ball to defend.

The reason Onana isn't playing out from the back has nothing to do with his ability, but the ability of the players he has to play a pass to.

Again its the context behind it that gives you insight rather than just looking at the surface level.

Onana is not a bad keeper, in fact he's a very good one. But he is trying to settle into a new team, in a new country, with a new culture, in a new league that has a very different style to what he has faced previously. All while that team is facing an injury crisis and playing very poorly.

It's easy to jump on the media led bandwagon, especially when you are feeling disappointed and frustrated. Just try and remember to gain some perspective and not just baa along with the sheep.

12.) 30 Nov 2023 10:59:14
Onana made two errors last night Shappy and cost two goals.
1 Look at how the wall was organised and then he stepped to his left, classic error.
2 Well it just went through him.

We should also look at who gave away two stupid free kicks in dangerous areas.

Onana has made mistakes and they have been costly ones. There will be questions about any keeper when that happens.

13.) 30 Nov 2023 11:01:32
Onana is making similar mistakes, shots low and close to him. Brentford, Bayern now Gala.

De gea came and made a lot of mistakes, but the difference is with de gea we signed potential as he was 19. Onana is 27. He’s not going to improve much more or develop new abilities. That’s the concern.

14.) 30 Nov 2023 11:12:15

He has a technical flaw dealing with low shots. He is not a bad keeper and has his strengths but there is something not right with how he handles lower shots especially if they are close to him and not ones he can stretch for.

DDG made similar howlers funny enough and its an open invitation to get crucified by the fans and media because they make any goalie look very clumsy and incompetent.

15.) 30 Nov 2023 11:12:17
Shappy behave. Nothing to do with a media bandwagon. I watched the game. The keeper made 3 mega poor efforts that cost us 3 goals. I don't need media to tell me.
Last nights result is on him and there is getting away from that no matter how you write it.

16.) 30 Nov 2023 11:31:18
First goal was not just Onana's fault. The wall was poor. There should have been two defenders behind the two Gal players in the wall. The ball went straight through their space as they peeled away. Every player in that team (yes, inc Onana but not just him) should have prevented that. Lack of leadership.

The third goal was just a superb strike. How Onana can be criticised for that I have no clue. Nobody could name a goalkeeper who would definitely have saved that shot.

Usual over reaction from many United supporters. It's football. A player has hit a poor run of form. Get over it.

17.) 30 Nov 2023 11:48:24
Onana has made some absolute howlers, but that's a poor way to judge goalkeepers. A StatsBomb tweet last week said he's saved +8.6 goals beyond expected in the EPL this year, which is best in the league. He also did some really good things yesterday and his distribution is really excellent. Yesterday was bad but he has been solid, and he comes for crosses well which has helped us a lot. Unfortunately he has been facing far too many shots. We let through too many runs from deep. I'm holding off judgement on him until we actually have a settled side, but if people can't see positives in the guy I think that's misguided.

18.) 30 Nov 2023 12:21:53
He just doesn't look comfortable . His handling is atrcious as he often takes two efforts to grasp the ball and his distribution is not on point atm . Saying that last night we or should i say bruno gave 2 stupid freekicks away and let's be fair, their 3rd goal was a superb bit of shill from the player first touch and then he hit the shot both powerfully and early. We could have easily lost the game but we cannot defend a lead with this setup.

19.) 30 Nov 2023 13:27:13
Shappy we don't need a lecture every time someone wants to express something. I haven't read a single thing in the news or pored over your usual statistics. I just watch the games and make an opinion. He is at fault for a great deal of goals this season, and we'll likely be eliminated from CL due to a fair few of them. End of.

20.) 30 Nov 2023 13:46:21
People always want to look for blame or pick out an individual when the team loses, but it is a team game.

Galatasaray had 16 shots, 8 on target. Is that Onana's fault that the team in front of him have allowed that many shots on goal. Or the fact United had 17 shots with only 4 on target? Was it Onana's poor finishing that stopped us being out of sight and scoring the 5 or 6 goals we probably should have from he chances we created?

This is where the idea that "Onana cost us the game" falls flat on its face.

Did he have a good game? Absolutely not. Yet what people fail to realise is that the game when fairly similarly to how most of our games have gone this season. We have been wide open defensively and it is the fact that Onana has for the most part kept the score line down.

As pointed out above the xG model suggests he's saved over 8 goals more than he should have on average. He has the highest save percentage in the league saving 78% of the shots he faces on target. While only the Luton, Fulham, Sheffield United and Burnley goalkeepers have faced more shots.

Does he have a weakness for low shots close to his body? Yeah possibly, hard to say for sure on a relatively small sample size. But name me a player who doesn't have a weakness. For example I'd fancy my 14 year old nephew to win a header against Leo Messi, does that make Messi a bad player? Of course not, every player will have a weakness.

The issue with the possible one with Onana is that it was a particular strength of the keeper he has replaced. Meaning its not something we are accustomed to seeing at our club.

DDG has a very different build, he was much more wirery. Meaning he could quickly react and adjust to make those saves. Onana is much more muscular meaning he is less flexible and will be slower to react in close quarters.

However, Onana is far better in the air, better with the ball at his feet, a better communicator, and the stats would suggest that he is as good a shot stopper over all.

Last season in 38 games DDG had a 71.1% save percentage and made 99 saves in the EPL. This season after just 13 games Onana has made 51 saves and has a save percentage of 78.8%.

Which highlights how many more saves Onana is having to make, and that he is actually saving a higher percentage of those than DDG managed last season.

Onana is not a bad keeper, he's just an over worked one.

21.) 30 Nov 2023 14:45:19
BRD he set the wall up, then proceeded not to trust it. That’s poor. If it goes over the wall and in the corner; then no complaints.

The mistakes he’s making are bread and butter to the best keepers in the world.

Shappy- you can use stats to highlight any point, the eye test never ever fails. I don’t compare him to de gea, because de gea was poor the last two seasons. Onana hasn’t been a significant upgrade.

22.) 30 Nov 2023 15:24:02
The real issue with Onana is it seems like he left his glasses in Milan. Keepers can not make the mistakes he has this season without serious questioning. His price tag makes it much more of an issue. Hopefully he finds form soon.

23.) 30 Nov 2023 15:36:36
People are blaming Onana last night not because we want a scapegoat but b3cause he was at fault and it isn't the first time in the Champion league this year he has cost us points.

All keepers, even the very best will make a mistakes as in fact do all players. If United want to compete again for top hours however they can't have a keeper making so many.

I do think a new regime will look to replace him.

24.) 30 Nov 2023 17:45:47
Oakbark, I doubt they will. Honestly have a look around the EPL, which keepers do you think are categorically a better keeper than Onana. Not better at one thing specifically, but overall a better keeper?

For me the only one is Alisson. Who is probably the best keeper in the world right now. Would I take Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale, Raya, Ederson, Vicario or Emi Martinez over Onana?

Probably not, he's at least as good as all of them, probably better than most.

I've rewatched the goals from last night several times now. Anyone who thinks Onana is at fault for the third goal must equally think Muslera is at fault for both Bruno's and Garnacho's goals. Three of the 6 goals scored last night were hit into the top corners, keepers don't save those.

The second goal there is no denying that he was totally at fault for that. Yes it dipped, but he needs to be keeping that out.

The first goal I'd say he's partially at fault, but I wouldn't call it a glaring error. Yes he set the wall up, but the wall was in the right place. There is nothing wrong with where the wall was. The issue came with Bruno standing with his arms crossed next to the two Galatasaray players on the end of the wall. He should have been behind them stopping them from peeling off the wall. The only mistake that Onana makes is he takes a step to his left as the ball is struck, which means he can't sort his feet out quickly enough as the ball comes through the gap. However, this is something pretty much 90% of keepers do as the most likely place the shot will be going is over the wall towards the near post. So keepers will tend to gamble and start moving that way when the ball is struck so they have a chance of getting there if it does clear the wall.

I wouldn't call it a massive error and would in all honesty say Bruno's poor positioning and not standing behind or even tracking the players as they peeled away was the main issue. That space should never be allowed to open up like that.

25.) 30 Nov 2023 21:24:38
Stats whilst of some use, can also very misleading unless used in context. And can only be accurate with consistent measurable inputs. For example Maguire pass success rate is always high. Why? Because he passes it mainly sideways or backwards. Same for Lindlhof. That’s not a dig at them (on this occasion) . Do the same statistics oh his effective forward passes. Completely different outcome. Pass saves are very similar. How many were really saves? A lot are just weak shots resembling a back pass. I’m not saying this is the case with Onana. Just making a point. But do the statistics with those removed and see how those numbers compare to other keepers.

1. Fact is that statistics can be skewed to win an argument by selective data samples.

2. Fact is that Onana has made a lot of gaffs this year and cost us vital goals and essential points. That cannot be argued to death. At 27 he should not be making these mistakes.

I’m not calling for his head. Far from it. But you cannot defend his shortcomings, more hope he filters them out of his game especially with a better defence in front of him.

26.) 30 Nov 2023 22:31:16
Following on the topic from this thread then that onana has single handedly cost us our champ league status, if he hadn’t of saved that penalty we’d of been out before last night? ??‍♂️ then whose fault is it if we’re constructing our usual pile ons after any game we don’t win!

27.) 01 Dec 2023 05:25:45

WE are doing the usual thing about a player when things don't go our way no doubt about that. However you can't argue he has cost us two win vs gala. At home his loose pass got cas sent off and we went from winning a game to losing one and then away yesterday that was really poor. The second goal was a lifeline for them.

One can have a debate about how we handle setbacks and how we could have still won the game given the chances we had.

He is going to have intense scrutiny going forward and fans will pile on including media and pundits and its his own doing tbh as he has made a few gafs.

28.) 01 Dec 2023 06:57:29
Yes he cost us a goal last night and at home was guilty for the red
Against Copenhagen at home he saved the blushes of our forwards and mctom by saving that pen and ultimately kept us in champions league? This is my point, you can’t just pile on players for big mistakes and forget the big moments before? If he doesn’t save that penalty gala away is a dead rubber!? Margins and details people chose to ignore when going in on one of our players!
A down grade on ddg I’ve read …
Ddg last season alone without even thinking cost us the fa cup final, our Europa run and nearly blew top four at West Ham! It happens
This guy like our other new signings need support, Mount is another who has become the go to guy to slaughter!
You need big shoulders to play at united and I’m sure these guys will prove it!

29.) 01 Dec 2023 07:51:14
2nd best goalkeeper in league what are you on! That’s laughable at best.



19 Nov 2023 08:54:11
Rashford. What’s happened to him? Was last season a fluke? Is it off-field issues? Poor coaching? Is he mourning for Sancho? New contract ego fever? I genuinely have no clue.

That performance against Malta on top of the tripe I see from him week-in week-out leaves me wanting him sold in January.


1.) 19 Nov 2023 09:16:10
Good question. He certainly isn't the player he once was for sure. Hopefully water it is he can overcome it because it appears to be more than simply a loss of 'form'.

2.) 19 Nov 2023 09:16:26
Maybe he was playing for a new contract?

He has only had one good season in the last 4-5 years.

3.) 19 Nov 2023 10:06:14
Before he got injured against Wolves, he was carrying the team, people have short memories. Since then he has been average or poor, apart from that very hot spell last year.

It seems his mentality impacts his performances and for whatever reason he is all over the place. I have defended him continually on here but I would be happy to see him leave, we cannot wait forever for consistency.

What has changed in the last few years? None of us know, but from the outside, the bling has arrived, the tattoos and the flashy cars, his relationship with his fiance ended, I do worry that the trappings of fame have impacted him. But what do I know?

4.) 19 Nov 2023 10:50:45
Simple he ain’t a top player never has been never will be
Said it all along one trick pony cut inside and smash it
Lacks football intelligence
How people ever rated him is beyond me
I’d get rid in a heart beat.

5.) 19 Nov 2023 12:12:47
Take away Rashford tho and wheres the threath of goals coming from hel come good at some point this season he always has a purple patch still 1 of your best players even playing the way he is now offers way more than likes of Antony shouldn't consider selling him he's kinda your only iconic player now.

6.) 19 Nov 2023 13:49:12
Rashford does some things excellently and others really poorly. He looks at times like he hasn't received proper coaching and plays on instinct. The Athletic did an article on him recently which (from memory) showed that last year he achieved 0.48 expected goals a game, and this year is at 0.42.

Depending on your point of view he glossed over his deficiencies last year by getting more goals than expected, or this year he's been unlucky and his performances are better than people are suggesting. The reality as ever is in between. He can be a really good player, but needs to put the work in on the areas he remains poor at. Passing, creating space for teammates, decision making, pressing, heading are all areas he's below average at. Because of this, when he's not scoring he seems worse than others.

7.) 19 Nov 2023 14:02:17
Not having a left back or any kind of support meaning they can easily commit 2/ 3 defenders to marking you usually makes life pretty difficult but yeah WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO RASHFORD!

8.) 19 Nov 2023 14:34:27
The off-field issues he’s dealing / dealt with will no doubt be having a negative impact on his performances. He’s been a little fool but it’s time now for him to move on and get his head back into football.

9.) 19 Nov 2023 15:10:59
Rashford is a player who is capable of greatness. At his age he has a similar goal return to Wayne Rooney at the same age. So let's not pretend he isn't talented.

The issue has always been that his form tends to be streaky. Whether that is because he often gets moved around positionally, never really being able to tied down one spot as his own. Or whether his confidence is impacted more easily than others, or whether the fact that he tends to pick up injuries at key points in the season which seems to disrupt his flow, its hard to tell.

This season I don't think starting at CF for the first month until Hojlund was signed and fit was helpful. He often struggles more at CF. He tends to do better wide left, where he can cut in and create his own chances. While the teams poor performances and lack of creativity further starved him of good chances. He does seem like a confidence player, so that dry spell wouldn't have helped.

However, even in poor form his presence still makes him a threat. Probably the most dangerous one we have. So we might just have to play him through this until he finds form again.

10.) 19 Nov 2023 15:13:20
AJH i'd say rashford has never carried the team. Sure he got the goals last year but other than that his performances in the games were always poor standard. i'd say for 85 minutes of the games last season he was the same as this season but getting the goals he did masked the rest. He's a player who plays for himself, doesn't look up very rarely creates and with poor work rate this last issue a quality I cannot abide and would see him as a bench player or sold. Of course if that was up to me.

11.) 19 Nov 2023 15:36:12
I am no Rashford lover, but to say he did not carry the team last season is ludicrous if it was not for his goals we would have been nowhere near Champions league this season or even in the finals that you all bang on about was so great achievement.

It’s clear he needs his head in the right place to perform to a decent level, to me the problem is he don’t buy into what is trying to be achieved and for some reason he can’t get past that in his head, but TBF he is the best chance of goals we got in the team so to bin him off is just plain foolish.

You seriously think any professional footballer goes onto the pitch and thinks I got loads of money so I don’t want to bother today.
Take his potential goals out this team, that can hardly score goals anyway is plain stupidity unless you got a replacement who can actually score!

12.) 19 Nov 2023 15:36:55
Good not great player underperforming as is the whole team.

Defence has been chopping and changing and the midfield is awful and our right winger is half fidget spinner half alleged criminal.

Plenty of places to point fingers but some fans have it out for rashford for some reason.

13.) 19 Nov 2023 15:46:32
What Blackpool red said. Agree with every word.

14.) 19 Nov 2023 17:04:07
My view of Rashford is that he's like a Subaru Impreza.

He's got the pace, he's got great acceleration, he's got plenty of horsepower, he's great on straights with little challenge.
However, his handling is poor, his dealing with challenges is poor, he's about as robust as a tomato.

All in all, as much as he gets people off their seats when steaming through with all the confidence, he's just a flashy racer - like an Impreza.

Add to this his lack of awareness, lack of a pass, lack of a cross, lack of diligent support for his defenders, lack of working when the fan gets busy, he shows himself as being actually nowhere near world-class.

One thing that made him look better last season was the rather overlooked form of Shaw who, when on his game, is arguably the best LB in world football.
Last season Shaw was immense and put in the work that Rashford hides away from.
He, in turn, was supported by Martinez who covered the space left by Shaw.
Martinez was covered, for example, by Casemiro.

It's all about the puzzle pieces.

This season our midfield has been different. No Fred, a labouring Casemiro, a seemingly insufficient Amrabat, a combative but excellent Mejbri, Fernandes regressing, and Mount barely getting into any kind of stride.
Only McTominay and Donny are as they were.
So these puzzle pieces have an unavoidably symbiotic effect on the central defensive unit.

Our central defensive unit has suffered greatly.
Martinez rushed back too quickly before the setback, Varane struggling, Lindelof looking lost, the Shaw injury, the Evans return, a new Keeper.
Nothing is as it was in central defence, the only positive being the renaissance of Maguire.

The mess in the middle has impacted the left flank where, with no Shaw or Malacia, Fernandez and Williams out on loan, we've had to make do with the options of Reguilon, Dalot and Amrabat. Nothing as it was there and very little of what Rashford needs to thrive is offered by any of the latter 3.

So, while I don't regard Rashford as highly as some, his lack of productivity this season is the result of more than just his failings.

This season we're seeing two big changes that each have greatly underestimated effects on a team when lady luck keeps flicking hot ash onto the boys - a new Keeper and a new main Striker.
So really, Rashford, like the equally underperforming Fernandes, has been the only familiar constant this season - which is why we haven't yet looked like a cohesive team.

And still, we're getting a miserable rub.
Onana has been looking better recently, getting used to a slightly more settled unit in front of him, finding his place in ten Hag's United system - now he's picked up an injury too.

Finally, back to Rashford.
Garnacho and Martial aren't currently offering enough in their apps to warrant shifting him out.
I think he's still currently the best of the bunch, but we do need better.

Griezmann is an interesting rumour.
The release clause works for me, but the mooted salary on offer sounds about as United as it gets.
That said, he's a better team player anywhere on the pitch than Rashford ever will be by a country mile and would immediately provide a level of composed class to our forward line not seen since Berbatov.
Obviously, a player who will be 33 before the end of the season would never be my first-choice, but does the class and experience justify the expense?

Personally, I would look to sell Rashford in the summer.
PSG will likely be the most interested club and, tbh, he'll absolutely thrive in France.
I don't think we'll get more than £100m for him, but £75m+ will do for me.

So should we stick with the Impreza and wait for it to start rattling before making a decision, or get a nice post-2005 Civic that brings fresh, albeit short-term, qualities to it's class, from which other models can be positively influenced?

Time for a sensible approach, the Impreza must go.

15.) 19 Nov 2023 17:42:26
I think much of what makes a striker is mental composure. Without saying specifically that Rashy is weak mentally, I think there he does struggle to deal with things more than others, whether they're bad press, being in the public eye or whatever.

16.) 19 Nov 2023 17:43:51
He's the golden boy of United. I would say he's probably the least likely player to be sold in my opinion, regardless of current form, unless he pushes for it. Maybe the boo boys will force him out.

17.) 19 Nov 2023 17:58:42
Well put Ork.
Shappy I disagree. I don’t believe Rashford is capable of greatness at all.

18.) 19 Nov 2023 18:44:16
Shappy I can’t believe you mentioned greatness and Rashford in the same sentence

We have had some real greats at our club but he comes nowhere near those legend’s and never will

It seems a lot of fans now accept mediocrity which this club and the fans should never do.

19.) 19 Nov 2023 18:46:38
Ganarcho ain’t exactly pulling up any trees in fact his mentality is the exact opposite of Rashford, in Garnacho’s own head he already a superstar! And he been reigned in a bit, he might just turn out to be another januzaj

He not kicking on at all…. Which is another worry.

20.) 19 Nov 2023 20:22:56
Totally agree Rangers about Garnacho

Another one overhyped before he’s actually done anything

The modern day footballer lorded before doing anything great.

21.) 19 Nov 2023 20:26:53
Garnachos good but don't think he's going to really hit the top not when you look at players like Cole Palmer same age but far far better player.

22.) 19 Nov 2023 20:32:16
Maybe he's missing Shaw being behind him, Shaw bombs forward and opens up space for him.

23.) 20 Nov 2023 02:37:52
Donny same as he was?. By that I assume you mean a mobile chicane that is warming the bench……occasionally?

24.) 20 Nov 2023 12:52:25
Rashford is 18th in United's all time leading goalscorers list currently.

If he keeps scoring at the same rate over the next 5-6 season's as he has over the past 5-6 years then he'll end up around the same number of goals as Sir Bobby and Rooney for the club.

That would certainly qualify him as a great.

25.) 20 Nov 2023 15:23:26
Lol he can't hit a barn door at the moment let alone repeat the fluke of last season for 6 more years. I don't think any current Utd player will be regarded as great in decades to come. But I'd love to be proved wrong.

26.) 20 Nov 2023 17:45:08
Spenno, last season he got 29 goals, he's currently on 124, meaning he still managed 95 goals in 5 seasons prior to his best ever season last year. He averages around 19 goals a season in his first 5 seasons. That goes up to just over 20 if you include last season.

If he manages to maintain the same 19 goals a season average over the next 6 years he'll be on 238 goals for the club, which would put him 1 goal ahead of Denis Law, 11 behind Charlton and 15 behind Rooney.

That's if he just maintains his previous average and never does any better or score more consistently.

Given that he is currently managing to score at a similar rate as our best ever goal scorers, means if he maintains that then he'll be considered a great by the end of his career.

If you want to factor in that Booby Charlton and Wayne Rooney managed to score those numbers in some of the best Manchester United teams ever. Teams filled with world class players all over the pitch, creating goalscoring chances and dominating the ball. Compare that to the relative utter trash that Rashford has had to play with over the past 6 years then it makes his goalscoring record look all the more impressive.

It's just fashionable to dig out our players. Yes Rashford's form is poor this season. Who knows why, but he has been arguably our best player (along with Bruno, another player its fashionable to rag on) over the past few years, he's certainly been one of our most important.

I'd be very surprised if the Manchester United team built over the next few years doesn't have Rashford and Bruno as key players in it. They've carried us for so long, now their form has dipped and people can't wait to get the knives out. Very short memories and very short-sighted.

27.) 20 Nov 2023 19:28:16
If’s and buts Shappy

I’d put my life on it that he doesn’t get 20 goals a season for the next 5 years

Why all the excuses he’s been shocking and is the laziest player we have along with Martial

We will never do anything again if we have hangers on at the club which we have for the last 8 years

He’s a one trick pony who pulls out of tackles doesn’t track back and is shocking when it’s one on one with the keeper

Sell him start a fresh.

28.) 20 Nov 2023 21:35:28
Blackpool may he needs the change to fulfil his potential, he's been in some awful teams and is still in one. Maybe we're holding rashy back not the otherway around. If he was in a team that actually turned up everyweek he would score goals.

29.) 20 Nov 2023 21:55:26
I’ve heard it all now Dannyc

Lame excuse.

30.) 21 Nov 2023 02:36:38
Would be good if he turned up every week!

He does sulk and yes we are not creating, but that is his job as much as anyone else up front.

He will sadly be gone sooner rather than later and we may never know just how good he could be in a red shirt.

I hope I am wrong and he turns the tide. He seems a good bloke and I want him to do well.

31.) 21 Nov 2023 20:10:51
Blackpool, all he has to do is repeat what he had already done at United and he will end up around the 240-250 goal mark.

He doesn't need to step up, or improve. Just maintain doing what he's already done to the same level.

I think it's just bias and personal agenda to willfully ignore or dismiss the fact that Rashford has played in some utterly awful teams and has never had a class act of players to support him.

You look at the list of players someone like Wayne Rooney played with at United, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Ronaldo, RvN, RvP, Keane, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Neville, VDS, Berbatov, Tevez, etc.

He got to play with some of our best ever players, mostly during their peaks as well.

Who are the best players Rashford has played with at United? And how many of them were at their peak at that time?

Yet despite that very poor back up cast Rashford has a very similar scoring rate to Rooney.

Also I think people are very harsh on Rashford being lazy. He doesn't track back, but that doesn't make him lazy. Firstly, that might be a tactical instruction from the manager. You don't typically want you best out ball chasing players back deep into his own half. As simply you then don't have them as an attacking option if you do win the ball.

Secondly, the camera follows the ball, which means unless you are in the stadium you don't see how much a player does off the ball. This was one of the things that lead to Carrick being underrated for so many years.

Rashford makes more high intensity sprints than anyone else in the team and is in the top 3 in the entire league in this measure.

Does that sound lazy? If that is lazy then there are around 497 lazier players than Rashford in the EPL.

He makes many off the ball sprints, but is rarely found as we lack the quality to play the ball through to him either accurately or quickly enough. So I wouldn't call him lazy, maybe just a forward who doesn't do the defensive work of a defender.

I admit his attitude currently on the pitch doesn't seem quite right. His shoulders seem to have dropped a little. That could be many things, not least playing in a side that is in awful form and not creating the kind of quality chances he needs. Which would be frustrating for most forwards. But given he is carrying the responsibility and burden of being Manchester United's chief goal scorer, but is not being given the chances to do the job he is expected, must be very frustrating. Especially for a player who is also a boyhood fan of the club.

Or maybe he's having issues in his personal life. Who knows.

What we do know is that over his Manchester United career to date he was scored at a similar rate to many of our all time leading goalscorers.

He works hard off the ball in an attacking sense, even if sometimes fans might want to see him do more defensively.

He's also never had the luxury of playing in a good United side let alone a great one.

If any fan seriously looks at this United team and considers Rashford as being one of the biggest problems then I'd seriously question your football knowledge. There is a bare minimum of 20 players at the club who should be shown the door before Rashford.

32.) 21 Nov 2023 20:24:52
You don’t seem to grasp it Shappy

It’s not just ability it’s workrate or should I say lack of it

You mustn’t watch him much if you think he’s a top player

Why all these lame excuses, he’s the one out their putting in dreadful performances

Bryan Robson was in some shocking Utd teams but he stood out like a beacon

You’ll never convince me on Rashford.

33.) 22 Nov 2023 01:37:16
Blackpool, you're probably right, no one will be able to convince you if you are close minded and willfully ignorant of anything that challenges your pre-held belief.

You've completed brushed over the point I made about Rashford being 3rd in the entire EPL for high intensity sprints.

So the most physically draining thing you can do in football is a high intensity sprint. Rashford is doing more of them than 497 other EPL players.

How is that a lack of work rate? How is that lazy?

You are ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative.

34.) 22 Nov 2023 08:41:37
More nonsense Shappy

Stats prove absolutely nothing

My eyes tell me everything I need to know about Rashford

I said years ago he wasn’t what everyone thought he was but would love him to disprove me but I was right all along

This nonsense about narratives that’s what you do all the time in your essays

We’ll leave it at that as I’m bored keep going over the same

We’ll agree to disagree on this.

35.) 22 Nov 2023 11:33:10

There are 2 glaring things you're missing mate.

1. A high-intensity sprint is just that - a sprint.
There's nothing to define a high-intensity sprint as anything other than what it is.
Rashford does sprint, nobody's ever said he doesn't, but that's not necessarily working hard for the team, is it?
There are plenty of factors behind the performances of himself and the team, but it's daft to try to defend the indefensible - he simply does not graft and anybody who insists he does because he runs about a bit is just trying to look reasonable in a phone box.
You crack on mate, but the high-intensity sprint argument is utterly flawed.

2. Rashford will be remembered as a great goalscorer, but not as a great player. Lukaku is a great goalscorer, but an average player.
The best comparison for me would be Lineker - also quick with some nifty tricks, but also did next to no grafting. He's regarded as one of England's greatest goalscorers, but he's not even in the equation when it comes to greatest attacking players.
Rashford is essentially a throwback played in a modern setup. This throwback does occasionally thrive, but in this particular case only when he feels cuddled by everyone.
Great attacking players have far more to them than he has.
He might well be up with Rooney and Charlton in the scoring charts when he finishes, but it's an insult to compare him with them as a 'player' - he's not even on the same planet.
The modern attacking player needs to be more than a goalscoring headless chicken that runs about but doesn't want a dirty kit.

I know you still won't get it and that's fine, but you're wrong and there's diddly-squat that you can say to change that.




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One of your favourite players of all time. Jeez.

Just don’t get this DDG love in. Above average goalkeeper who won many personal awards because he was in a below average United side. Poor at crosses and commanding area. Always had a mistake in him. Last season helped knock us out of Europa and awful in Cup Final. Tried to move on numerous occasions. Payed way above what he was worth. Nowhere near the standard of Edwin (please get better soon) or Schmikes.

Regardless of how his departure has been handled (think about NHS staff and teachers for some perspective) it’s no worse than Keane or RVN who made far greater contributions to the club.

Personally swapping him for Onana will be best bit of business this summer for me.




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@Eric79 the time to judge is when pre-season starts, not the start of the season. That date is beginning to loom large.




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Ahem. Jerry Jones.

I think Dallas Cowboys fans would argue very strongly about how owners do get too involved with team matters!





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Thanks Ed. Insightful.


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Thanks Ed. Keen to see that. I'd also be curious what your thoughts are on McTominay. Such an enigma.


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