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20 Nov 2019 13:47:19
What worries me now is the reaction when we lose a few games,

We all know it will be Poch this poch that.

I don't think he would change anything at United, I think sticking with ole is the best thing to do and let him see out his contract and then look what position we are in then.

If we chop ole in the summer then we are starting a new plan a new vision again. We need to stop the vicious circle and stick with the plan.

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20 Nov 2019 14:33:57
Unless we see a serious decline in form then we need to stick with Ole until the summer.

Hopefully Bayern swoop for Pochettino soon and that complication will be removed from fans minds.

Personally I think Bayern is the best move for Pochettino, well run club, clear structure, good squad with money to bring more players in and enough young players for Pochettino to work on and improve. Plus there is a excellent chance he can win something with Bayern and that will relax him and allow him to focus on coaching again.

20 Nov 2019 15:13:51
Pochettino being available isn't complicating fans minds. He is a superior coach. He has left his previous clubs in a much better position than he started with.

Would Ole even get in the door for an interview with Bayern? Not a hope. Players progress when they know there's another player in the squad that is competing with them. If Ole continues to produce the same results as he has been since the start of the season. He should be gone fairly soon and the superior coach inserted if in fact we have any ambition to progress as a club.

20 Nov 2019 15:23:54
I was thing the same earlier on today. Maybe Pochittino will take over Bayern at the end of the season. He will have had a break and will have been able to. discuss targets with the club etc.

I think Bayern did mention they plan to stick with their Interim manager for now.

20 Nov 2019 15:51:29
no doubt it will start on Sunday if we lose to an in form Sheffield United.

20 Nov 2019 16:22:57
Spurs have benefited immensely over the past 5-6 years due to the ability to retain their best players.

Only a decade earlier the likes of Kane, Son, Ali, Ericsson, Vertonghen, Alderweireld even Lloris would have undoubtedly been sold. A policy of selling your best players is never a recipe for success and Spurs's recent resurgence has coincided with this approach.

Potch has invested relatively well with the likes of Son, Ali, Alderweireld, Davies, Tripper and even Dier doing particularly well in spells however all were signed in 2015 or earlier and his more recent acquisitions just haven't been anywhere near as successful. Spurs just haven't been able to push on and clinch the top honours perhaps their early potential suggested.

The end of their cycle was drawing to a close under Potch and the squad needed refreshing and reinvigorating. They invested in the summer but not with the vigour or the quality required to really capture the imagination or suggest they could challenge the brilliant City or Liverpool. It felt like Potch had taken the squad as far as he could.

With question marks over the future of key players Levi has rolled the dice and appointed the winner. Jose is inheriting an experienced and very talented squad of players. It is a squad that has fallen just short of winning the top honours and maybe only lacked the belief and winning fortitude rather than the talent or ability. Mourinho will undoubtedly fortify minds, exude confidence and bring that winning mentality and experience which perhaps has been missing.

I expect Mourinho to reinvigorate this squad. Surely players such as Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Ericsson will now be tempted to sign new contracts. If he can keep the majority of this squad together accompanied with a few additional intelligent signings Spurs will be a real force over the next few years. Mourinho might just help this squad fulfil its full potential before it's too late.

I don't expect Mourinho to build a new team or be at Spurs for a long time but he has a squad that might just enable him to re-build his reputation.

Where Spurs go after Mourinho would worry me but over the next few years Spurs fans can get excited especially if Pep or even Klopp fancy a new challenge elsewhere.

In relation to Utd I think we've seen signs over recent games to be hopeful. Rashford, Martial and James look
a formidable front three that will only get better with time. They need help from midfield and we lack depth but Greenwood continues to impress. The noises coming out of Old Trafford in relation to player recruitment sound promising and if we can invest wisely both in January and the summer things will steadily improve.

Fascinating times ahead.

20 Nov 2019 17:30:48
mumbles a superior coach who also won nothing? with a far superior team over his tenure.

i love the ole bashing on here.

poch isn't a cert just like moyes lvg and jose were not certs to succeed

at least we are looking like having a plan. judge ole when his contract is over not 12 games in.

20 Nov 2019 18:06:12
Bolger He's nearly in charge a year and we look woeful. We beat Norwich 3-1 and we're organising a knighthood. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in world football outside United that would choose Ole over Pochettino.

20 Nov 2019 19:02:51
Why are we talking about poch the real highlight is now surely our interest in dier will be gone. As ed said in the past he was a jose target so surely he will stay put. Surely that's a win for us.

20 Nov 2019 19:15:53
I think Poch won't be out of a job for long. He will probably move back to Spain.

I imagine some fans will be begging the club to bring him in if we lose to Sheffield United.

21 Nov 2019 10:12:02
Dlib, I think the retention o players has more to do with Levy.

21 Nov 2019 10:50:49
James, Rashford and Martial would flourish under a manager like Pochettino. I say sound him out and get
Him signed.

21 Nov 2019 13:07:26
I'm not so sure Eric. Initially many young players have flourished under Pochettino, but in recent seasons who can you say have improved? Dier? Alli? Sanchez?

He did well with them when he wasn't under pressure to win something. But from the moment he was expected to win, the players development stalled.

Personally I think he needs to go to a club where he is a near cert to win something, Bayern Munich or PSG. He can then get that monkey off his back and focus on what made him a good coach in the first place, developing players and creating a good style of play.

21 Nov 2019 13:32:37
I suppose every defeat will be a learning ‘pochortunity’.

21 Nov 2019 14:40:28
Exactly shappy. To me it seems like he can't cope with pressure or expectation. He's crumbled at Spurs under the pressure and people think he would succeed in the biggest pressured job in football?

21 Nov 2019 15:11:31
Mort you can learn to cope with the pressure. But until he wins a title or a cup he will always be labelled the nearly man.

I think once he wins something he will be able to relax more and return to what he does best.

21 Nov 2019 16:08:18
As you he needs the first trophy to get it off his back. But if he can't cope with the pressure at spurs then he has no chance of coping at united where there's more things against you.

21 Nov 2019 17:36:40
Mort, United certainly isn't the most pressurised job in the world, not even close. The expectations from fans has dropped dramatically from title winners 7 years ago to now hoping we can challenge for 4th. Our manager was given a 4 year contract after an emotional win against PSG. Since then his record has been appaling. We've been bested by some really average teams and when we have won, many games have been grinding out 1 nil wins.

The pressure and expectations are so low that wins against Norwich and Brighton are the high points of the last few months.

And to finally show that this isn't a pressurised job, some fans are still backing Ole after the worst run of results in 40 years. Happy to be slipping further down the table citing "We only need 2 or 3 transfer windows".

Any ambitious club would have sacked Ole at the end of last season. United reward mediocre players with long high paying contracts. There's no pressure anywhere in the club.

22 Nov 2019 05:17:32
Beside Madrid, i don't think there's any other club with more press focus than Utd. With the press comes all kinds of pressure. If he couldn't cope with the expectations at Spurs, he won't at ManUtd.

22 Nov 2019 07:28:18
Utterly clueless mumbles. There's loads of pressure at this club. Why do you think 4 managers and dozens have players have struggled.

22 Nov 2019 10:32:34
Mumbles, the fans demanded the sacking of a manager and the board followed through. The fans, the sponsors and the board have high expectations. Then regardless of how the team is performing on the pitch the media reports on our club more than any other. All of that creates a media spotlight on our club and our manager unlike most clubs. Only Real Madrid might have a bigger spotlight on their manager.

22 Nov 2019 11:09:05
It's not the most pressurised job in world football Mort. The managers have struggled because they can't reach the bare minimum goals that have been set. It's not pressure that caused defeats to Palace, West Ham, Newcastle and Bournemouth this season. Those teams set up to contain us and played us like a fiddle.

Any team that is tactically disciplined and work harder than us have a wonderful chance of beating us because our manager is tactically inept. Pressure doesn't come into this.

Many players struggled here because there is no one pushing them. City have 2 players for each position. If you're not performing you're out of the team. We have players on high wages that havnt progressed at all in years.

Jones (the next Duncan Edwards) would struggle to get a game for many teams in the premier league. He's on his 3rd contact. Only signed a new one 8 months ago.

Lingard. Profiting from scoring 4 goals in November of 2017. Given a contract on par with Bernado Silva. He's not good enough but we be still at the club when he's 33.

Smalling. Not the worst player but also given a new contract 8 months ago and then farmed out on loan.

Young should have been replaced years ago but is still getting contract renewals.

Shaw hasn't progressed because there is no pressure from anyone in the squad. Williams should provide a good challenge now though.

Rashford signing a huge contract thinking he has made it. No one one pushing these players on. Add Martial into that mix.

A team with aspirations of being the best wouldn't allow players to stand still or go backwards and still rewarded them with high paying contracts.

Ole took over when we were 6th. After a half season in charge we finished the season in 6th and he still kept his job. That doesn't sound like pressure.

22 Nov 2019 12:51:41
You've gone from saying that there is no expectations to bringing up the incompetence of money men running the club.



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