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21 Aug 2019 14:20:26
Best word ever used on this site.


Ken, I completely agree with the sentiment on this one. The utter tripe being spouted with these 'modernisms' as I call them, or new 'buzz words' is cringeworthy.

Football is a simple game made to look, or sound like rocket science by armchair experts trying to look smart.

There should never be any mention of 'false nines', 'inverted wingers', 'vertical passes' or 'double pivots' in any sensible football discussion.


Bolloxology. ha ha.

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21 Aug 2019 14:37:09
Betty you've not been introduced to the inverted full back yet?

I'm waiting for someone to invent the false sweeper.

{Ed001's Note - they already did. I worked with one. He would spend all day 'sweeping' up the factory but nowhere would be any cleaner after he went past than it was before he got there. He was defo a false sweeper as his broom was just for leaning on while he chatted to you.}

21 Aug 2019 14:40:27
😂😂😂 good man Betty.
To be honest i like a bit of tactical analysis and the likes i do find it interesting but to suggest that there is no way to play verticle passes against wolves is just silly talk.

Do you know what i find amazing.
1 poster got frustrated saying we can't be judging players after 2 games. Because somebody had questioned the performance of lingard and his little wet dream shaw.
Yet in the same post made a judgement on martial and rashford looking great so far.
So apparently its ok to make positive assessments over 2 games but not negative ones 😂😂 if it fits your personal narrative.
Comedy gold. Really. Or just more bolloxology. 😂.

21 Aug 2019 14:42:36
Swollocksology 😉.

21 Aug 2019 15:04:28
Ken don't be silly again .
Just because a player or team has a bad game doesn't mean he is a bad player or it's a bad team .

Assessing players by a game by game basis is a obsession on the site for some.
Nice to see I got a mention again, this is a bit of a weird obsession as well.

21 Aug 2019 15:35:08
Jred i don't make judgements on a player being a good or bad player on any given game.
But its ok to say any player had a good or bad game when looking at that that game in isolation.

But its odd to slate people for making a judgment on 2 games on shaw or jessie and then go on to say martial and rash are looking good after the same 2 games.
Is it a case that players can look good after 2 games but they can't look bad after 2 games. Now that's silly.

21 Aug 2019 15:37:11
As regards lingard simple question to all would he get in the other top 6 sides simpe answer is no.

{Ed047's Note - exactly dazw, we kept the likes of Jenkinson, Walcott, Wilshere and Gibbs for way to long hoping they’d come good.

21 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Swolloxology - even better angel!

Personally, I would make it at illegal to use such terms. And anyone heard talking about 'half spaces' would be hung from the nearest crossbar by their eyelids.

Oh, and another thing. Why this recent obsession with banging on about the 'high press'? So you mean players closing down the opposition?


21 Aug 2019 16:19:01
Hi ed047.
I do understand that all squads need players who can dip in and out of the team and play when required.
Players like jessie can do that and be a fairly decent squad player.
Its easier having players like that from within the club as they don't tend to moan as much when not in the team.
So as a squad player he fits the bill. But as a regular starter i think he comes up short at the highest level.
Some blossom late like fletch and go on to deservedly become a regular starter. There is room for him in the squad. He has been a regular starter now for 4 years or so. How has that worked out?
Of course not all his fault but if you have half a dozen starters who should be back up players you end up coming 5th or 6th 4 times in last 6 years.
Too many average players.
Mctom periera greenwood tuanzebe gomes garner and chong all look likely to get some reasonable game time this season.
I think in 5 years we will be lucky to still have 2 of them at the club as regular starters. Maybe another 1 will make a squad player.
Januzai was the next big thing. Macheda before him welbeck before him.
I support the idea of giving them opportunities but i think you need to be ruthless when they are not good enough.

{Ed047's Note - we’ve definitely been guilty of that Ken, the home grown quota also causes a problem as it did with the group I mentioned but doesn’t count for any of the latest group I’d like to leave.

Arsenal have been forever allegedly needing two more players and the truth was it was much more than that. Which I think it is now with you.

It was only the likes of United in Fergies hey days and Liverpool and City now where that’s true.

We have some exciting youth in Willock, Nelson, Smith-Rowe, Martinelli and Zaka but in our current position neither of our clubs can really afford to gamble on to many of them.

I watch for example Rashford and Martial and think back to Walcott who would produce moments of brilliance as your two do but he never kicked on but that’s what those two have to do because they’ve taken that first big step to get in the side.

I’m still not sure about us, I like a lot of the players, it’s more Emery that worries me and you have that too with OGS in my opinion.

21 Aug 2019 16:26:01
Dazw, I honestly believe Lingard is Newcastle level at best. Never been a fan of his and never thought he'd come good. His presence in the squad is the sign there are huge gaps to be filled.

21 Aug 2019 16:40:36
What r u talking about?
I said above
Just because a player or team has a bad game doesn't mean he is a bad player or it's a bad team.
Same goes for a player having a good game.
But to start saying a team isn't good enough after 1or 2 league game imo is stupid.
To say a player needs sold after 1 league game imo is daft as well, I would wait until the end of the season to make that call.
Both of which are very different to saying a player had a good or bad game.
Think before you type.

21 Aug 2019 16:46:30
we are doing exactly the same ed47 with players and as long as it continues e will never get back to were we should be.

{Ed047's Note - I actually think as a club you’re in a bad place, with the money you’ve spent since Fergie left you should have an incredible squad.

When you look back at all the players that arrived and then left it’s mental.

I think AWB and McGuire are your first steps in the right direction but that’s two in how long?

Every season I’ve thought you are going to buy some top top quality and start smashing it again but it just seems like you’re still treading water.

I really feel Pogba is holding you back, not just in what he does on the pitch but also that whatever’s been said he 100% wants to go.

As clubs we both need to get back fighting for the big owners.

21 Aug 2019 17:07:36
The point is who do you put in for him?

Mata has the pace of an asthmatic snail carrying some heavy shopping.

Gomes is just 18. Its too soon to put the burden on him. I think he'll get his chance soon.

Pereira I don't think is good enough. He fails to convince.

Anyone thinking Sanchez is the answer needs to rethink what the question is.

Yes we should have bought someone in the summer. We didn't. This us what we have. And I wouldn't expect much activity in January.

Totally agree re Pogba Ed.

Ken I think Greenwood will be a first teamer. Garner and Tuanzebe in the squad. Gomes could go as I believe he's not got long left on his contract. Chong I think will fall short. McTom is already first team. And I've already said Pereira isn't good enough.

21 Aug 2019 17:29:44
sorry ment to say were we want to be not should be.

{Ed047's Note - no probs mate, I meant to say big trophies, not big owners! No idea where that came from. 🙄🤣

21 Aug 2019 17:39:11
Agree Betty, what about waffle ology can that be a new word.
Or we could call a false striker cause he doesn't score any goals😂.

21 Aug 2019 17:41:59
But jred, ken has a point. Nobody is able to constructively criticise a player according to you. In order to give a balanced view then you have to assess the positives and negatives. Many posters’ view of shaw’s ability has been this way for a while. One game doesn’t make someone a great player. Likewise one bad game doesn’t necessarily make them terrible either. Balance is so important.

21 Aug 2019 17:43:47
The point is that the transfer team failed to bring in an attacking mid. Lingard is there because of this, not on the basis merit.

21 Aug 2019 18:19:06
Jred really?
Its not all about you.
I said the exact same as you.
I don't judge players on 1 game. i'm not sure anybody does actually in fact i'm sure nobody does.
Furthermore my judgements like everybody else can change as form changes.
Fred I've maintained should be judged at the end of this season.
Anybody judging periera lingard or shaw for example are not judging them on this season only i'm sure but judging them on what they have seen for the past 4 years or so.

I don't like martial as a footballer and based on what he has done at United in 4 years i'd sell him.
However he has got his position changed and he now has a number he likes and playing in a different system he may well thrive. He has 2 goals in 2 games so if he keeps that up ill change my opinion.
You seem to have a problem with anybody wanting rid of certain players i'm not sure why that is. Maybe you don't want good or better players maybe you want to be scrapping for 4th 5th or 6th and your happy with that.
Im more interested in watching my team being able to compete and becoming competitive for major honours again.
I don't accept mediocrity easily when solutions appear obvious to me on how we can be more competitive.
Some supporters are happy just top plod along and not to be as good as we can be.
Its not my style its not how i conduct my own life and its not how i want my club and team to conduct their business.
People will always give loads of reasons why things can't be done. I only ever look for reasons one readon why things could be done.
Imo the clubs competitiveness will not return until certain situations are resolved. I think we are on the right track but miles behind where we need to be.
I support ole but that doesn't mean i won't criticise certain decisions i don't agree with.

21 Aug 2019 18:19:44
In 5 years mort do you think mctom will be I the team?

21 Aug 2019 18:34:54
Why not, if he continues to improve as he has done so far?

21 Aug 2019 19:22:59
I think he has a chance nou.
He reminds me of fletch in some ways. A real steady eddie.
I think tuanzebe has a real chance.
Greenwood though at this stage is the potential star imo.

Its very rare to get more than 1 or 2 from any group.

21 Aug 2019 19:15:07
I don't really care about your opinion, for what ever reason you get your knickers in a twist if someone doesn't agree with you .

You where posting about selling shaw after the first game of the season, would it not be better to make that call at the end of the season.
Wasnt many post about getting rid of shaw during the summer, then after 1 game .
If you want to discuss his performance that's one thing, but to be shouting about replacing him selling him at the start of the season is in my opinion wrong.
What if he has a good season?

The strange thing is the people who post about people all having an opinion, get very upset if it's not the same as there own .
I've been on the site a while now, the crack over time has changed, less about footy more about buying selling players. It seems if you disagree with that people sulk.

Last week it was shaw, as I said at the time next week it will probably be someone else, linders or martial. As it turns out it was linders, so that probably means it will be martial next week or maybe pogba.
Now you maybe don't like that, or don't like when its pointed out but rightly or wrongly that's how it is .
I didn't say it was right or wrong it's just the way the site is or maybe a lot of supporters are now .
People seem to support players more than a team now, its maybe part of the game being global now. In my opinion a lot of fans now are more interested in building some kind of super team than actually supporting there team.
It's all about buying this player or that player so we can win this or that .
But they actually forget to support there team and the players that are actually at the club.
It more about the team we could have as opposed to the actual club you support .
Fans are bigger fans of players at other clubs (who never have a bad game) than there own . Again each to there own.

21 Aug 2019 19:31:23
Exactly what noucamp said. The difference in him from two years ago is marked. In five years if he keeps improving I don't ser why he wouldn't be in the team.

21 Aug 2019 19:51:36
I think tuanzebe has a good chance. He's 3rd choice at the moment. I would be against signing another centre back but jones, rojo and bailly are so unreliable and I can't see Smalling accepting dropping down the order to 4th.

I think usually we'd accept 1-2 players coming every couple of years. But tho group have some real potential. I don't think all will make it but circumstances sometimes help. We have a manager prepared to give them a chance and a weak squad that's created gaps for them go have the opportunities.

Great crops probably come through once a generation. We had the 92 group. Who have Barcelona produced in recent years after their great group?

21 Aug 2019 20:16:16
When have I said ‘sell’ shaw? I said he’s not good enough to start. That doesn’t mean we should sell him, but instead replace him in the starting XI with a better player and he stays for squad depth. You jump to conclusions and focus on one single point of someone’s post to push an agenda. You forget all context and isolate one comment. I’ve also posted on this site for many years. As people know, I often post long posts discussing a range of things, trying to offer a fair and balanced assessment. You seem to ignore that and focus on the one point you have a problem with. At the end of the day We all want what’s best for the club. We just have different views. I have no problem with your view, but you often attack posters when they don’t agree with you. Like ken said, if it’s ok to be positive about the last few matches then there is no reason why someone can bring up a negative as well. We aren’t the finished article and that’s clear to see. Nothing wrong with criticising a player of someone feels they are not up to it.

21 Aug 2019 20:16:21
Good post above Ken.

I wouldn't have shaw or pogba anywhere near our team. I base that on watching them over the last couple of seasons. not good enough. IMO keeping pogba is going to seriously work against us and is a big big mistake.

Martial hits highs in fits. But in fairness, he has never ever had a run at CF and that is what he is, no doubt. Now he really has to nail it down this year.

21 Aug 2019 20:17:52
If shaw has a good season I’ll happily eat my words because that means united will be better for it. I don’t have any agenda, I want to see united be the best. But personally, I don’t think he’s good enough. That’s my option.

21 Aug 2019 20:35:41
I think its bit early in the season to be talking about replacing a player.
Time will tell but I think shaw will still be at the club and starting games next season.
It interesting that you only concentrated about one part of my post and then complained about me doing the same .

Like I have said each to their own and people use the site for different things .
As for attacking posters, it's just an opinion and very rarely personal.
Just because it's a different opinion doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted .
You think we should replace shaw, I think it's a bit early to make that call .
I also think it was shaw last week linders this week it will be someone else next week.

21 Aug 2019 20:38:40
Got to be honest I've re read my long post and I don't see that as an attack .
I'm just trying to explain my way of thinking .
I suppose it's the way you read it .

21 Aug 2019 20:48:29
Fair enough jred we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point.

21 Aug 2019 21:10:44
Maybe revisit it at the end of the season.

21 Aug 2019 22:03:01
Happy to do that mate.

22 Aug 2019 07:27:39
Get a room! >.

22 Aug 2019 08:25:48
Dont knock it, it's better to have a bit of discussing than throw the dummy out or get personal.
A refreshing change imo.

22 Aug 2019 17:34:33
Jred, knock it? Dummy? Personal? If my reply had been printed in full the comedy would have more obvious. Get over yourself.



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