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23 Nov 2018 10:54:32
Nice of our manager to take time out of his busy schedule to criticise 4 of our younger players, rash, martial, Shaw and linders to the world's press .

No doubt some will think this is a great idea but I'm really not sure what the need is.

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23 Nov 2018 11:35:56
Need to take time out of your busy schedule jred and see what's actualy been said instead of reading out of the Daily Mirror.

23 Nov 2018 11:39:02
Cant read again jred?

23 Nov 2018 12:03:57
Scholes I have watched the interview with Stoichcov not just read the supposed quotes in the MEN which you have posted above . Which is also incorrect
Fzz
Yawn.

23 Nov 2018 14:03:19
How many times have people posted on here about players and their lack of maturity and spoke about those that surround them.
Really valid points by the manager and in the context of that interview are perfectly logical factual and correct.
He didn't slate any body. If amy body thinks that's a slating you have lived a very protected and privliged life.
Typical of one or 2 of the usual suspects on giving out about a fake news story. Pathetic imo.

23 Nov 2018 14:23:22
Stop it Ken. People are allowed to have opinions. Joses not.

23 Nov 2018 14:32:18
Usally suspects 😂😂
That sounds like something I would post.

23 Nov 2018 14:33:02
I don't know what was said, or in what context which makes it hard to judge on this incident.

However, I do have two points.

Firstly, The context of who is saying something completely changes how it affects an individual. If a random person on the street calls you "worthless" it isn't going to affect you the same way as say if your mum said it. In that respect what a manager says to the world wide press and what fans say on a forum are worlds apart.

Secondly, A sensible man, who had dealt with the press for many many years and who had been on the end of them twisting his words time and time again would be more guarded and cautious in what he says if he truly cared about his position and the damage his words can have on it. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

If someone repeatedly says things to the press that are easily misconstrued then he is either stupid, or he doesn't care.

23 Nov 2018 14:57:49
Shappy you left out a part to your 1st point, how the fans perceive the manager's comments may be worlds apart from the way the players do. We are hardly privy to what is being said behind closed doors.

23 Nov 2018 15:27:24
mbd, Your right we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe the players aren't taking what he says to heart.

However, with Lukaku coming out and saying that players need to take criticism better. Then with half our squad apparently wanting to leave I would suggest that many of the players aren't taking what he says in the media or behind closed doors well at all.

The sad thing is this has happened at Jose's last two jobs, which shows that he either isn't learning or he doesn't care.

23 Nov 2018 17:31:20
Gis treatment of shaw and martial seems to have woken them from their slumber.

23 Nov 2018 19:53:00
Shappy, I'd say it's because he doesn't care about anything except himself. Amusingly that ongoing trait makes him look like a person so it's counterproductive although profitable.

It's an amazing thing in football how serial losers and pillocks keep getting top jobs.

23 Nov 2018 21:57:48
I’d say it’s because he’s trying to set similar standards to that of a once ‘legend’ of a manager - that being no player is bigger than the club. The issue now is that most players think they are bigger than the club (s) they play for and combining that with the poison they are being fed by their agents is resulting in very difficult circumstances for both parties. Jose isn’t the problem here, he needs to make adjustments to his approach (which I think he already has begun to) but United more than any other club right now need players that WANT to play for the badge.

23 Nov 2018 22:51:03
Bang on giggsy.

24 Nov 2018 07:31:03
Cheers, ken.

24 Nov 2018 08:08:44
KingGiggsy, I have no doubt why Mourinho is doing it. He is trying to get a reaction, to get more out of his players.

However, that style of management didn't work for him Real Madrid where it lost him the dressing room, nor at Chelsea where he also lost the dressing room.

This shows that it might not work with modern players. Ergo he will have to adapt and change his methods to what does work with modern players.

24 Nov 2018 09:45:04
KingGiggsy

Agree and good points

Shappy

This lost dressing room stuff, Jose won major trophies with both Real Madrid (wonder why they want him back if you were right) and Chelsea who took him back. Remind me what Eden Hazard said recently about Mourinho? Then consider those two clubs, the players know the club echelon do not back managers very well, so a bit of stamping of feet by regarded players and off the manager goes, it’s just happened at Madrid again. To an extent it’s what we have been seeing in our club, the players have become more in control than the manager. It can’t be allowed to happen or it becomes a spiral on repeat. This modern players nonsense is the same as in society, don’t hurt their feelings, they are all winners, it breeds complacency and average teams. That isn’t good enough for United or Mourinho.
Mourinho noted, commented correctly about maturity in people and is likely adapting his methods to improve what he can from the individual. These players should be self motivated, so the point you make about him having to do something to get a reaction should tell you what you need to know.

24 Nov 2018 11:48:36
Redman another good post. Jose will have success again no dfoubt about it.

24 Nov 2018 17:30:12
Ken, I have no doubt Jose will win another trophy or two. Just like LvG did with the FA cup with us. It doesn't mean he isn't past his best. His career arc is declining, he has had his best moments. If he stayed at Chelsea rather than getting sacked would he have won something again with Chelsea is the real question.

He has never, not once in his career turned things around once they started spiralling out of control. It always ends with him leaving on bad terms.

When people say trust in Jose, it is blind faith as they are expecting him to do something he has never managed before.







 

 

 
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