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22 May 2018 13:11:04
I can't believe what I'm reading here.

It's been a long time since I've posted on here after being a regular for so many years.

After the way the club and fans treated Van Gaal I decided to stop associating myself with a lot of United forums.

However, I've recently found my way back on here and my god nothing has changed with our fanbase. It's disgusting.

As United fans we've taken the mick out of Liverpool for years because of how they're fans behave. How they're basically spoilt children with no respect for anything other than the club itself. Well, whilst the scouse lot have been getting their act together we've turned into them.

Calling for a manager's head after what he's achieved in his career, in the premier and with us this year is ridiculous.

I like Martial as much as the next guy but he's hardly been consistently effective since his first season and if you're giving me a choice between him and Sanchez then It's Sanchez all day.

People are acting like Mourinho is the antichrist, when in reality he's a phenomenal manager (top 3 in the world imo) . You don't get to discredit someone has already achieved everything 10 times over whilst you think you're brilliant because you play football manager.

I would have thought a man who has moved away from his family, his children, friends and family to HELP US would be treated far better than he has been.

So what if we lost the FA Cup, they're 1 off games. Sometimes you play badly and lose. it happens.

Pep and City are miles ahead of us? - I don't actually agree but let's not forget Pep has signed 18 players in the same time as Mou has signed 8. - And let's not forget that City were already in a much better place than we are to begin with (I don't mean just as a team, I mean as an entire club; infrastructure, facilities, direction, etc) .

Mourinho has transformed this side from the average to good team we had under Van Gaal into a team that competes on almost every front.

Many of you seem to forget that Mourinho is part of Manchester United. there is no 'I support the club not the manager! ' they're one and the same thing whilst he is with us!

I see murmours of falling outs with players and staff alike. Well don't we all clash with our colleagues at work from time to time? Yet we understand it's not personal it comes from a desire to win.

I see a man that's giving up his LIFE to HELP us (lets not forget pre-Mourinho you were all telling me we're a dying club under Van Gaal and Moyes), yet he gets no respect from any of you.

I'd much rather see Pogba leave seeing as all he seems bothered about is stupid haircuts and instagram than Mourinho who seems to be focussed on MAKING SURE THE TEAM WIN.

Sure he's not going to get it right every year but honestly, we don't deserve a manager like this or a club like we have.

I said it 2 years ago and I'll say it again, this club's fan have been a disgrace since Sir Alex left.

{Ed033's Note - Welcome back Moon.

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22 May 2018 13:36:15
100% agreed.

22 May 2018 13:51:35
Giving up his life, talk about overreacting. Last I checked he was earning 15mn a year he isn't giving up on anything.

About his desire to win, do klopp and pep and pochettino have less of a desire to win? Did fergie have less desire to win than mourinho. Why is it mourinho alone who manages to fall out with majority of his team everywhere he goes, why don't the others?

Who stopped mourinho from buying 18 players he wanted, if atletico hadn't been banned his spending would have been same as pep's and we still wouldn't have won the league. Mourinho's on the verge of selling his own cb's before he gets rid of Smalling and Jones so let's not talk like he has some how been hamstrung in the market.

Sanchez since coming to utd - 18 app, 3 goals, 3 assists. Martial's last 4 games before Sanchez signed 3 goals, 3 assists. Let's all pick the next Rooney instead of of Martial.

22 May 2018 13:53:54
Welcome back Moon. And well said. The state of mind of our "fans/ supporters" makes me sad. Everyone just wants fancy names, first it was the players they wanted, now they have started on the manager.

22 May 2018 14:05:16
Some of you need to check yourselves. No wonder we are fading into obscurity!

22 May 2018 14:05:24
So in a nutshell this site might aswell close down if fans aren't allowed to express their opinion or is it just opinions that differ to yours which are a disgrace.

No one should blindly follow without thought.

Trust and faith is earnt and for a lot of people Jose hasn't done enough at united to warrant it.

I mainly come on here so I can here other united fans views that are different to mine I Would rather hear some good reasons why I'm wrong than a pack of sheep towing the party line.

You make it sound like Jose is doing us a favour by managing us he is one of the best paid managers in the world with one of the biggest budgets in the world, we are manchester united and are bigger than any one manager

I'm still (but only just) a Jose in but I fully respect the thoughts and opinions of the José out.


Add to the debate don't call fans a disgrace for having an opinion about football.

22 May 2018 14:14:36
You do realise that the club is paying said manager a significant salary to give up his life and be away from his family, he didn’t have to take the job if that was going to be an issue for him, but I’m sure a few million in the bank at the end of each season softens the blow.
In my opinion he has done a good job, not great but good. I am confident that being the manager that he is he will turn it around.
Calling fans a disgrace because they have a different view point to you is a bit ott if you ask me. Whilst I respect your view on us being not being miles behind city, I respectfully disagree, we are abosolutly light years behind them in almost all aspects linked to the club (apart from finances generated) . The issue most have is not mourihnos ability to get results it’s tr style in which he goes about it, however at the time of his appointment we were in desperate need of results. I for one think it will improve given time but it does frustrate some what when you see the way city play and what can be achieved in the way they approach a football match.

22 May 2018 14:18:23
It should be 3 goals and 2 assists for martial not 3 assists.

22 May 2018 14:18:49
Manchester United have played 56 competitive games this season.

Honestly how many can you say you truly enjoyed watching?

Seriously how many games left you feeling like you've been treated to a great game?

Were not talking about being happy with the result, but the game as a whole. How many of those 56 games would you be happy to sit through again?

I want to enjoy watching my team, and I can honestly say I spent the entire season enduring my teams performances.

You can't win every game, and you can't win every trophy. But when I talk to fans of clubs who know there club isn't likely to win anything they all say the same thing they go to enjoy themselves.

I just want to be able to enjoy the football my club is playing. I respect Mourinho for everything he has done in his career. He has been very successful, but I said when we were first linked to Mourinho that he wasn't the right manager for us. I said his style of play and his angsty style would grate, I said he wasn't the man to be trusted with young players. I was shouted down, I was told Mourinho would buy into the clubs history, he would play attacking football, he would promote youth and he was the reincarnation of Sir Alex and was the only person who could get us back to winning ways.

I take no pleasure in being right, as it has sucked all joy I have from watching my club. I know I'm not the only one, I have several friends who aren't renewing season tickets for next season as they can't justify spending so much money when they get so little in return.

If this is the cost of winning then you can keep it. The fear of doing a "Liverpool" has meant the club has lost its way. Instead of doing thing the United way we have gone down the win at all cost route.

As great a manager Mourinho is, he isn't right for our club, he wasn't right when we hired him, he was right when he bored us to three cup finals winning two of them and he isn't right now.

Is it better to take the moral high ground and continue down the wrong path? Or is it better to admit you were wrong and make the harsh decision to move on a man who hasn't really done much wrong, but is taking the club down the wrong path?

22 May 2018 14:39:02
Moon what side of the fence are you on cause you just criticised pogba for his haircuts.

22 May 2018 14:44:43
Well said Moon. I love the bit about football manager and some think just because they have managed a football team they think they know all about management. No wonder they are here typing posts and Mourinho is managing United. 🤣🤣.

22 May 2018 14:59:24
Singh haven't you questioned jones and smalling's place at the club, are you a footballer or a coach that you know something more than jose mourinho? because if according to you if you aren't a professional coach you can't criticize god emperor Mourinho, how exactly can you criticize the players?

22 May 2018 15:06:25
I get the impression we could have Lloyd Christmas with his assistant Derek Zoolander managing us into football hell and some of our fans would still back them to the death.

Those of you supporting the bizarre post from Moon really need to re-read what he is saying about you and the fact he thinks Jose Mourinho is bigger than the club you claim to support.

Unless you support Jose no matter what club he goes to of course. Moon just strikes me as being a bit bitter, the legacy of researching and praising the master tactician LVG only to have realised it was all BS just a moment too late is clearly still a bit raw.

22 May 2018 15:09:13
I question playera all the time and i just say what i think about them. If they don't perform to the standards i have then i question them.

I don't critise the Manager or question his choices as i believe he knows a lot more then most of us.

No i am not a coach oe never coached a team i am a supporter like you but i just don't get it when people question Mourinho after how much he has won.

I also think you should back the manager until he is here and give him full support as he knows the players inside out because he works with them.

None of us know the players on a personal level so for us to question and read journalists talking absolute rubbish about players is pointless and then have a dig at Mourinho is a joke.

22 May 2018 15:10:18
Even funnier is you are criticizing scholes and wright for having an opinion, by your own standards did you play at the level they did or win stuff they have, must be why you are typing posts for free and they are making millions for their opinions on tv?

22 May 2018 15:28:05
So you are allowed to question the players who don't perform to the standard because you are a fan but others aren't allowed to question the manager who they think isn't performing to the standard because they aren't professional managers, seems fair doesn't it.

Pogba has won a lot of trophies, so have jones, smalling, young, valencia so how exactly does the how do you question someone who has won so many things work with them?

The back the manager until he is here means never criticize the manager why exactly can't we apply the same standards for the players or is the manager some how more important than all the players?

No one here is having a joke at expense of mourinho, mou does not like shaw or martial much and wants to get rid of them that isn't exactly a secret. All the inference of his players feelings are being drawn directly from statements mourinho makes, just after the fa cup final he threw lukaku under the bus calling him out for not risking himself in the final, no one made him say that, that was all mourinho.

Also you can find essays from likes of shappy and beast and some posts from me detailing our problems with mourinho very little of it has to do with what the media says.

22 May 2018 15:33:42
Singh you said further down smalling and Jones are only playing cause they are English yet you said here you don't question the manager.

22 May 2018 15:39:18
Lollll they are ex players who have playerd for their club and they are crticising the club to put pressure on United.

Oh yes i type posts for free to wind people like you up.

I have also not played to their level but i have unbiased brain to call a spade a spade. I don't care how big the player has been for the club once they have gone they are just a ex player.

If i think they talk tripe i would say they talk tripe i don't need to play at the highest level to have an opinion on journalism.

You ahould also read back the posts and see i said they probably get a script to read from and that is the reason they talk tripe but they can also refrain from saying certain things which causes friction at the club.

This is all hypothetical as it could be that Mourinho doesn't give a toss about what Scholes or anyone has to say.

22 May 2018 15:41:37
You certainly have some interesting theories Singh I'm glad we have moved on from the Jose picks smalling every game not because he likes him but because he duznt like him and just wanted him in the shop window theory to the new you shouldn't post about Jose unless it's to say something good as you aren't a manager but it's ok to say what u like about the players even if you have never been a player. It's a forum for people's opinions you will agree with some and disagree with others but people are entitled to an opinion . I don't go and watch a movie and think that was a terrible movie to be then told well I'm not a film director so I must be wrong .

22 May 2018 15:44:17
This is getting very personal. Can't we differ AND respect alternative views. Can we be humble enough to think we might be wrong? We are getting more toxic by the hour.

22 May 2018 15:45:11
Leahy,

There is a lot of politics involved in sports not just football. Certain players are kept for the image of the club not for their abilities.

James Rodrigues was at Madridin his last couple of yeqrs because he wqs one of the biggest brand for their club and a huge marketable player for colombia not for his ability as they woukdve got rid of him a year or two before he left.

Certain players play fortheir national teams because they are wanted by the sponsors and media not because of their ability.

I am not 100 percent sure in saying Jones and Smalling have lasted in the last couple years because they are english but i am 100 percent sure they are given a lot more leeway because of that not because of their ability.

Also if you check Ed002s post he did mention that a certain engkish player maybe targeted to fill the english quota of players not because he is a good player but because he is english.

There is a lot more politics in sports then we realise.

22 May 2018 15:52:21
He does give a toss what ex-players, pundits, managers and other people 'in the know' have to say. It's proven time and again by his petulant press conferences/ comments.

His whole slagging off Chelsea's approach to the game (which was identical to ours and would have been a mirror image until the end had we scored first), was based on the fact everybody with eyes and brain that work together has been saying how negative and boring we are to watch.

I also find it funny how the FA Cup final performance/ loss is being seen as some one off freak. Please tell me the last time we played well for a game, 20 minutes against City don't count as a game?

Singh - I'd humbly suggest you don't resort to saying you are winding people up to protect yourself from criticism. It demeans all the other posts you make, some of which I agree with and I don't like to think of myself as being 'wound up' for agreeing with them.

22 May 2018 15:58:12
I feel like Bolger’s post further down the page on shappys thread should be copied and pasted here. At the end of the day everyone has their own opinions, and no one will be right or wrong. Starting to look like arsenal fan tv at times now.

22 May 2018 16:07:08
I am only kidding i don't post to wind people up i just have a very open mind in terms of how i watch sports.

Common Sense i love you really.

It gets boring at work and sometimes you need entertainment to pasd your day. 🤣🤣.

22 May 2018 16:33:34
"I see a man that's giving up his LIFE to HELP us".

I didn't realise he was doing it for charity. I take back everything I've ever said about him. He is indeed, a living saint.

I think that must be one of the most cringeworthy lines I've ever read on this site. Seriously?

22 May 2018 17:16:33
Interesting debate and i disagree about all of Moon's post from start to finish. To say we're not light years behind City is baffling. We are behind them in every area of the pitch except GK. We're also behind them in terms of the tactics the managers play and in terms of cohesion between manager and players.
As for Mourinho, i was one of the ones who thought he'll do very well here. But 2 seasons into his tenure, i have realized I was 100% mistaken. Yes, he's got more points than last season, but the football is dire, the atmosphere between him and most players is terrible, the style of football is shocking, his constant public criticism of the players is incredibly unprofessional and counter productive, his treatment of the press smacks of a highly unintelligent man, his constant blame on others is arrogant.
In addition to all that, he has bought badly. Out of mkhitaryan, sanchez, bailly, lindelof, Matic, Pogba, lukaku. Only three of those have shown real class. He's fighting with most of the players all the time.
His tactics and decision making in the top games have seen us lose important games like the CL against Seville and the FA cup final. It has also seen us play some pretty awful football against the promoted sides.
His man management skills have been non existent.
And some are trying to make out that all is rosy in our back garden. Wake up and smell the roses chaps.

22 May 2018 17:26:20
ED033 - Thank you! good to be back.

CSM - The man lives across the country from his family and it's not because he wants too.

Who stopped Mourinho buying 18 players? are you actually that dense? Jesus christ. - because players are just available at supermarkets and don't have wishes of their own.

I don't care about Martial's stats. He's never looked the grade and the only reason you're moaning is because you NEED something to moan about.

United Addict - Thanks mate, I honestly can't stand our fans anymore. I very rarely attend home games or anything of that ilk because of this constant crying like the fans are owed something.

Beast, glad to see you're as friendly as per usual.

Schnauzer, I think you're the kind of fan I don't like. You hear one thing and go down a completely different route with it all. - I quite clearly said I didn't like the attitude so I backed off from the site for a couple of years. Which is the complete opposite from that nonsense you spouted in that first sentence.

I agree, nobody should follow blindly but this is the right now the most successful manager in the European game, he has nothing to prove to you or anyone else.

Jose is doing us a favour! He's had offers from better clubs than United and he is here because he genuinely wants to help us.

The fact that many of you go 'oh he's getting paid so it doesn't matter' is just an idiotic thing to say.

Lets forget that he's missing seeing his kids grow up and go to school every day, he's missing spending quality time with his mrs all because he wants to return this club to greatness.

Wilcey - whether he had to or not doesn't take away from the fact that he has done that and then has to endure constant criticism from a bunch of fans that have never had a clue about football - which is the bottom line. we don't.

I'm calling fans a disgrace because they've driven away every good thing this club had going for it since Ferguson left. - you will be very surprised to the amount of Manchester United employees that have walked away because of the disgustingly offensive behaviour of our fans.

Mourinho had to close all of his social media accounts because of 'fans'. Allegri walked away from a gentleman's agreement because of fans, Van Gaal wanted to resign because of the fans. - what is so hard for you to get this?

It's a bloody game and people are throwing abuse and death threats at the EMPLOYEES who SERVE our CLUB and their families.

Shappy - good to see you're still around. I'm a fan of defensive football, I enjoy it as much as offensive football.

I don't always go WOW! how fast and exciting were we today! But I always come away looking forward to next week.

All this wrong path stuff doesn't hold any substance because you have no idea what's happening within the club.

People say we're not playing well, well if that's true then all 19 other clubs are awful too seeing as we WON against every premier league team this year.

Leahy - So, I think he's at the point of his career where it's make or break. I see him in the same light as Balotelli was in at City. He's an idiot but has unreal talent and he needs to start focusing on that otherwise he'll end up like Balotelli.

I like the lad, think he could do really well in Football but it's all completely on him now.

The only players I don't want to leave United are De Gea and Lingard if I'm being completely honest. The others I'm fairly indifferent towards.

Singh, how many people on this forum know for a fact what is happening at United? The only person on this website who ever knew was ED002 - and i see he's been pushed away again. So, unless you KNOW what's going on then you've got no right to assume we're going down this or that path.

The bottom line here for me is quite simple.

Mourinho (you know, a HUMAN BEING! ) has been FORCED to close his social media accounts because he's been met by a ton of abuse from fans that are also threatening his family.

This is a common theme with United players. I remember Evans, Fletcher and 3 or 4 others doing the same in recent years because of ABUSE and THREATS by our OWN fans.

Not only that but this man has us in 2nd place in the league, had us in the FA Cup final, won us a Europa League, got us back into Europe, beat every single Premier League team in 2018 and won a League cup all with a team that has Smalling, Jones, Young all starting.

Yet he's not done well with us?

I'd walk away from any position where I give everything and yet my family are threatened by those who claim to support the club.

Unfortunately, it's not even a minority of fans anymore, it's most of them.

Our fans are embarrassing. Maybe you as an individual are not but you're part of the same fan base that I am and we all fall under the same banner.

You can sing for it if you think I'm going to back a fan base that constantly abuses and threatens the lives of people who give everything for the sake of our entertainment.

I removed myself from the forefront of our fans for a couple of years and NOTHING has changed whatsoever.

Perhaps it's a British thing? or a Football thing? but the lack of respect is phenomenal.

If I'm Mourinho I'd walk away tomorrow and never even acknowledge the clubs fans again.

22 May 2018 17:58:37
Spot on moon.

22 May 2018 18:04:22
Moon, I think most of us respect Mourinho as a manager for his accomplishments, his big game presence, his ability to draw players, and his man management that past players praise him for. But what remains for a lot us is frustration, not for coming in second, but for being a boring team. We simply are not as fun to watch as we used to be. And we all would like to see Mourinho take more responsibility and blame players less. Maybe only my view here.

22 May 2018 18:18:15
Moon creating facts like mourinho does is not going to change actual reality.

Mourinho could easily have some sort of transport arrangement that gets him to london or move his family to manchester i am sure he makes enough money to do that. All these better jobs which he wasn't offered by the way except in your own imagination, would have been outside England, would he have been doing those clubs a favor too because he didn't want to move his family which is why he is alone in manchester, what do you think would have happened had he had to go to paris or munich? You are just making assumptions and presenting them as facts. No one is forcing mourinho to do any of what you are declaring him a martyr for.

People move countries without their families for 1/ 1000 of the pay mourinho gets, so please stop this nonsense about doing us a favor. Also He isn't returning anything to greatness atleast not the way we are going, he has basically called utd losers with a losing history to try and protect his own image, if you think mourinho cares about any club more than himself you are living in lala land.

You said city signed 18 players not i, mourinho himself stated he wanted 8 players in his 2 windows he got 7, his words so again your created myth that he couldn't sign players, which is why made the point.

Also please list these so called utd personnel who walked away due to fans. What is happening with mourinho is shameful, this is a game, i want him sacked but personal abuse is unnecessary i agree. But then again what group of fans do not have an idiot element we need to root em out for sure but this tarring all the fans with the same brush because they don't kiss the earth your god emperor walks on is bs.

Allegri walked away from the agreement because he was supposed to sign a year later not when LVG was fired, and he was fired, LVG has said so countless times now, so please stop making stuff up. LVG was fired because he didn't finish in top4, fans were unhappy with him yes but that didn't lead to lvg's firing, it was his football which was universally condemned not just by utd fans but by any human being who watched it, are they all entitled pricks because they didn't want to be put to sleep while trying to be entertained.

You talk about his so called achievements and proudly present smalling and jones as example of his greatness, a simple question buddy, if they are so bad why do his signings bailly and lindelof not play ahead of them then? this season he finished 2nd but 19 points behind actual champions with no hope of actually ever competing for the title after spending 300mn, not a great achievment after spending more than a small nation's gdp. If he hadn't won Europa League we would have finished 6th something you quite conveniently forget and without europe he would have lost his job 2 years in a row.

Mourinho was a great manager, he has been sacked from his last 2 jobs because he managed to piss of majority of the players and his last 2 clubs, even coaching staff at his last one. You compare a player with balotelli, right now it is mourinho who looks like balotelli. If he doesn't win it here, the big question is going to be where does he go? Bayern won't take him, nor would madrid or barca, or Chelsea or Arsenal, barring Paris he has no other place high profile enough for him to go and after seeing his football and his handling of players even they might want to think it through.

While in your vivid imagination mourinho may be utd's last chance actual reality says he needs us as much as we need him even, i would say he needs us more. Another failure to manage big players and Big teams might just stop looking at mourinho as an option, especially given that he has turned many teams away just by the fact that they don't like his football anymore.

22 May 2018 18:37:33
I know i don't know anything that's why i stay away from commenting on the ins and outs of the club but i do like to analyse player's attitudes and how they act as employee of the club.

I also back the person in charge whether that's Mourinho or Moyes as they are far more knowledgeable and qualified then any of us.

{Ed002's Note - You don't need to stay away - all input is good input.,}

22 May 2018 18:47:37
Excellent post, CSM. Was going to post similar but I'm nearly 50 and not good at typing on a phone, so you saved me a lot of bother.

{Ed002's Note - 50 is really big, you maybe want to take some exercise.}

22 May 2018 19:17:41
Nou nearly 50 is nothing 🤣🤣🤣. I’m way way past that 🤦‍♂️😩.

22 May 2018 19:30:11
Who’s this clown?
‘I removed myself from the fore front of our fans’
Come on mate, we’re all a bit miffed with the performance’s this season and I personally still can’t make up my mind on Jose but I’d put my house and savings on the fact that no one on this forum has threatened Mr Mourinho or his family.
Lighten up a bit, it’s a ****ing game!

22 May 2018 21:39:33
Thanks ed i just try staying out of things i don't know about. Hope things are well with you.

22 May 2018 21:43:03
Is Moon, Mourinho in real life?







 

 

 
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