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17 May 2017 08:37:27
Haven't been on here that long and I pick up the eds and the posters find a lot of sources as very dubious and not reliable but a couple mentioning bale may like a return to England and would prefer a move to utd over Chelsea, anything in this or twaddle .

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{Ed001's Note - according to those that know the lad very well, family, friends and former and current coaches of his, at least the ones I have managed to speak to, they all say he has no interest in leaving Spain and is really happy there. Unless Madrid want rid, which I have not heard of any genuine talk of that being the case just yet, it is highly unlikely he will be moving this summer. Money may talk I guess, but this is his dream, playing for Madrid.}


1.) 17 May 2017 11:21:28
Cheers mate, greizmann it is then hopefully if bale a none starter, damn talk sport building my hopes up.


 

 

 

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14 May 2018 21:40:06
I've found it an interesting debate that's been going on, on here about Jose. I hope we don't all become entrenched in our views and stick to them no matter what .
If he's not yr cup of tea but he buys a few players and the performances improve then I hope we all root for him .
If it gets to Christmas and it's pretty clear we are nowhere near and it's still turgid to watch then I hope people say that's enough of this .
I think both points of view are valid his track record is that of a winner but then again we all have eyes and it's not pretty.
Everyone wants us to be successful we just disagree how that will happen for the record I'm not sitting totally on the fence I can't stand the way we play but I'd not fire a bloke for coming second and getting to a cup final but I would say to him if you want to play that way then you really do have to win things and compete for the major honours to justify it .

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1.) 14 May 2018 21:50:15
Good post, mate.


2.) 14 May 2018 23:02:49
Both sides of the fence are correct in their own way. I think a lot of our problems don't stem from Jose but he often exacerbates them. Take the style of play issue for example. In Jose's favour the squad is still heavily unbalanced and short in key areas. We have no top level full backs and our centre backs need protection. Moreover, our right hand side is non existent offensively.

But, Jose has refused to develop Luke Shaw, whatever problems the lad has why can't Jose be the one to compromise and try and get through to him in a different manner than his usual 'push the player for a response'? Jose could have pushed for more players in the transfer market. Lastly, Mkhi was probably our best option on the right but Jose got rid of him, again he was a player who needed an arm round the shoulder not public humiliation to motivate him.


3.) 14 May 2018 23:40:11
Good point Slate and i also agree with Nathaniel. As i said in a previous post further down, its his man management and his belief that his way or no way attitude is his downfall. A good manager is not one who doesn't listen, but one who listens and makes the right decisions. Mourinho to his detriment belongs to the former characteristic.


4.) 15 May 2018 07:37:05
Must be all those trophies weighing him down that means he always makes bad decisions.


5.) 15 May 2018 08:43:47
Luke Shaw is a professional athlete not fit enough to play matches. How is this Jose’s fault. He’s an adult and should take responsibility for his lack of application and effort because he has all the talent. Miki simply was a bad buy it happens under every manager at every club.


6.) 15 May 2018 08:53:51
Ken, no one is saying Jose hasn't been successful. The question is has Jose become a victim of his own success?

Jose has always been arrogant, but has his success made him so arrogant that he can't learn from his mistakes as he doesn't believe he makes any?

Jose has won the title in his second year at every club bar ours, his last job ended with him leaving the club he took to the title close to the relegation zone.

He doesn't seem to have the same zest he used to, his interviews tend to come in one of two options. Sulky Jose who points out everyone messed up bar him or gloating Jose saying see I proved you wrong, or this is what I've won. No jokes, no smiles.

This is not the same Jose as before, so we can't say he will definitely have the same success as before.

At some point even the greatest become a spent force, I think it's safe to say there is more success in Jose's past then there will likely be in his future.

He is still a very good manager, he has just slipped into yesterday's man, as younger, fresher men have replaced him. The future success belongs to them. Maybe it makes more sense hitching our wagon onto someone on the up rather than someone on the down.


7.) 15 May 2018 09:19:42
Eric, Shaw has the exact same issue Rooney had all of his career. He needs games to play himself into fitness. Wayne would come back at the start of every preseason over weight and would need to play 3-4 games in a row to reach peak fitness. When he came back from injury it would take nearly a month for him to be back up to speed. That's one of the reasons his goals often came in spurts.

Shaw is the same, he starts a game does well but tires towards the end. Then he doesn't play for a month and the same issue happens again. When Shaw played 3-4 games in a row for us by the time he got to the 3rd/ 4th game he was close to or was our man of the match in most games. Then Jose dropped him again.

Shaw could be great for us, and I fully expect him to do very well wherever he goes as long as he can steer clear of injury. He is unlikely to a player who plays at their peak into their mid 30's but he could like Rooney be a player who shines bright at a younger age then fades younger than others.


8.) 15 May 2018 09:20:45
LVG came with a pretty decent CV. People could still see his best days were behind him, from watching the way Holland played in the World Cup alone.


9.) 15 May 2018 09:27:24
And you gather that opinion even if you state it as fact based on what shappy?
You don't know him or have never met him and you have no idea what he says behind closed doors. For every player that says bad about him there will be 2 that sing his praises.
You really have no idea what mistakes he makes or what advice he takes. There was no more arrogant a manager than fergie in many respects. Or no more arrogant a man than pep. If you Ever get to the very top in your career after your studies you will probably have some arrogance about you then.
But you have no idea what it takes to become one of the best in the world at what you do. Most of us don't.
Your bias is very evident in your posts and remarks which clouds your judgements. The reality is none of us have the expertise to make such outlandish remarks. But it doesn't stop us doing it😂

You love an 'I told you so' but you are as often wrong as you are right on this page.


10.) 15 May 2018 09:49:23
Top post ken. Shappy you simply dislike Jose and that is clouding your judgement on him. Every top manager has an ego and arrogance about their philosophy or how football should be played. For me pep is the best manager in the league. But he is also the most arrogant and stubborn. If it was not for an open chequebook he would be nowhere near where he is now. In his first season it was very clear that city did not have the right players to play out from the back yet he still did it and they were poor that season. Fast forward now the guy stuck to his guns and they have had a magnificent season. Whose to say Jose won’t get this side playing better once he sorts out the defence properly? You are almost hoping he fails so you can say I told you so. I am backing the manager because that is the right thing to do. I don’t agree with everything he does especially the way he has singled out shaw. But we also do not see what goes on behind the scenes. Fans are too quick to jump on Jose and blame him for being a narcissist and the devil incarnate. If he fails next year I will happily take the ‘I told you so’ from mourinho out brigade because I don’t mind being proven wrong. But at least I am backing the manager for as long as he is here because he is one of us whilst he is managing the club. Some may argue he does not get the club or the traditions blah blah blah but we protect or own at united. And when he leaves my loyalty to him will go and then it will be behind the next manager. What chance does Jose have when even his own fans are waiting for him to fail? Whose to say when the new manager comes in that this cycle will not repeat again if we are not playing city esque football?


11.) 15 May 2018 11:17:41
Slate151 (OP), I think the beauty of this site is that the views of others who post here can be very persuasive. Before we had this latest debate on Jose I wanted him gone this summer. However, I have genuinely been convinced to be patient and give it another year.

Why? Well, because people have pointed out:
1) He's a serial winner
2. The squad has needed massive changes and two years is not long enough to rebuild
3. The first few years under Fergie were pretty dire.
4. Stability is better than constant change
5. There are perhaps reasons why we are not playing more attacking football yet.

Also, because I'm generally a positive person. I don't like to be negative. So, I have genuniely been convinced to put aside my dislikes and doubts and give Jose a chance to deliver. I'm even thinking that for the reasons I've listed above and barring some Jose self implosion, we should give him at least another two seasons and perhaps a full five years.

Of course, just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's going to continue into the future. However, we can learn from history. So, I think that we can see Mourinho the same was as Moyes and LVC, in which case we should recognise that he will never come good and get rid ASAP. Or, we should see him as a Fergie figure and give him plenty of time and patience to do what he needs to do to get us back to the top again.

There's no point in flim flamming in the middle. That's just indecisive and confusing. So, if Jose is not a Moyes/ LVG, let's see if he can tap into his inner Fergie.

Go Jose or go home!


12.) 15 May 2018 11:36:41
Really good post manc man.


13.) 15 May 2018 12:16:58
Mourinho as a Fergie figure, whatever next.


14.) 15 May 2018 12:21:40
Manc
The guy finished 2 Nd in the league and is in the cup final, I don't think he can be sacked for that, however the performances have been dire lots of times .
Posters have pointed out if he changes a few players that will get better, well I'm all for seeing if it does and hope it does . However if he changes some and it's still dire to watch then the it's the players thing goes out the window . I don't understand what's wrong with let's just see before forming yr opinion on the long term .


15.) 15 May 2018 16:19:38
Sorry Shappy. Shaw is fat for a footballer and can’t stay fit or even try to. Ship him out.


16.) 15 May 2018 18:17:48
Thanks Ken, he better bloody well deliver tho!


 

 

04 May 2018 10:29:55
I'm glad Jose is stating he wants squad players to stay as wether he wants them to or not it's more sensible to say he wants them at utd when we negotiate with other teams than saying he duznt want them . You wouldn't tell someone buying yr car how much you don't want it, you say how good it is .
We all hope for a big name midfielder maybe savic, if we get someone like this then itl be hard for any other midfield arrivals to get in the side as they would have to oust newboy, pogba and matic. Fellani maybe wants well rewarding for agreeing to stay as a squad player, more than he's worth but the alternative could be shell out on another midfielder, still big wages and still just a squad player, it may make more sense to use that money on a player in a different position who will be a first team starter.

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1.) 04 May 2018 11:31:03
I see where you are coming from but i would rather have squad players that push our starting eleven for places or at least is at a similar level for rotation. Its no good having 3 good midfielders with a huge step down in quality to a squad player. Matic looks half the player he was at the start of the season purely because he has had to play pretty much every game. It would be nice to have squad players that can come in and performance of the team not drop drastically.


2.) 04 May 2018 11:34:08
Agree jamie. Nobody really pushing young and valencia for their place I the team same can be said for pogba matic herrera. When fellaini is your 1st reserve midfield player then you know you are short on squad depth and quality.


3.) 04 May 2018 14:21:27
Good point Jaime.


4.) 04 May 2018 15:06:38
Luke Shaw should be pushing Young to start at left back. The fact he is not suggests why he has no future at the club.


5.) 04 May 2018 16:02:57
the only thing young is pushing is big macs into his mouth.


6.) 04 May 2018 17:56:34
Young? He is in great shape.


 

 

05 Apr 2018 14:34:29
How do you think city will approach the Derby game ed, do you think pep will think the Liverpool tie is beyond saving . His team selection could be influenced by how he sees it, there's a couple of schools of thought beat utd take the tittle go into Liverpool game on a high or it's a derby there may be tackles flying in, the league's in the bag anyway and he needs all his best players fit, not injured and ready to throw the kitchen sink at Liverpool . Obviously you can't read his mind but what do you suspect.

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{Ed002's Note - As any other game. He certainly won't see any game as beyond saving.}


 

 

13 Mar 2018 22:05:02
I didn't really understand the selection or the tactics tonite . What were the tactics we just had twenty odd shots against us at home against a pretty average Seville . We put a man who's barely played in four month into midfield to form the slowest most static unimaginative combination in centre midfield as possible . We move rashford away from the position where he has just dismantled Liverpool and played the game at testimonial pace until we went two down . I'm a fan of Sanchez but let's be honest how is he keeping martial or Mata out of the side on form .

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1.) 13 Mar 2018 22:21:50
Nothing short of a horror show, from selection and tactics to performance. 2 years into his tenure and the bus is well and truly a mainstay of Mourinho' plans, is there a more predictable boring side to watch in top flight football. 3 transfer windows in and Mourinho's biggest game for us and that's what he produces, the players look disinterested carrying out his non attacking anti football now too.


2.) 13 Mar 2018 22:23:58
Wages of Sanchez!


 

 

13 Mar 2018 10:26:53
Morning all, if ed 1 about or other posters, I watched the city game last night and it followed a pretty familiar pattern, opponent's retreat and the result looking pretty inevitable from an early stage in the game, this formula very rarely works and they often win with their opponents not really laying a glove on them . If this continues next season then no matter how much utd improve if everybody plays that way against city then they are going to rack up masses of points.
I think basically my point is what can teams do different not just utd to start giving them more problems in a game and not keep following a plan most use that duznt work and duznt even look like working. Thanks if anyone has any insight.

Slate151

{Ed001's Note - press them, particularly Fernandinho who is very poor in possession and will turn it over repeatedly if pressed. It is because no one puts pressure on them on the ball that they do what they do.}


1.) 13 Mar 2018 11:51:43
Teams’ approaches to City baffle me. Their strength is in attack, but offer the centre backs on real protection. Yet, teams constantly sit back and hope to absorb the pressure and nick a goal. 🤔

Pep plays with 8 attack minded players, it’s not rocket science to think that targeting their defence might be more productive than allowing them attack. They could still win because they’re a great attacking team, but it’s better than just letting them do what they do best.


2.) 13 Mar 2018 12:15:59
I think teams feel if they attack city and mess up then city’s counter attack will blow them away. Teams go into games aiming for damage control and to not get embarrassed rather than go for them. Psychologically city have won before they have stepped on the pitch and that’s what we used to have under Fergie.

I think if we play similar to the way we did against Liverpool and play that long ball into Lukaku then I think we could really trouble city. Lukaku’s hold up play has really improved and getting runners going off him will allow us to get at city’s defence. Kompany and otamendi are very good in the air so it will be tougher than Lovren or Van Dijk but we really have to go at city. Ed is right putting pressure on Fernandinho is key as well as he pretty much holds the fort when the rest of the attackers go forward. They have defensive frailties to be exposed and teams have no been able to do it as city are so good in possession.


3.) 13 Mar 2018 12:26:52
If you sit back against a good team they will do what they like,
Get in their faces, You can have all the good players in the world but you need that one player in a team that will harass players. get in their faces give them no time on the ball.
A lot of managers now set up their teams not to lose.


4.) 13 Mar 2018 13:25:39
Can't believe I am going to say this but if you watch Liverpool's tactic against them, they were spot on. They pressed high and brought a lot of energy to the game. Like all the others have stated, you can get at City by pressing them, especially their weaker players on the ball. City's weakness IMO is their defence in possession, press them and they will give the ball away or look to go long.


5.) 13 Mar 2018 14:06:37
You would think teams would have watched them roll over teams all season who have sat back passively, but most teams seem to just keep doing it, teams like stoke and Newcastle have always got stuck in at home but against city just seem to surrender and keep the score down, even Chelsea appeared to offer nothing and follow the sit bk and take the inevitable defeat . Liverpool got more joy having a go and pressing and I hope somebody else does so next season teams will follow a different blueprint against them and stop this almost acceptance of defeat .


6.) 13 Mar 2018 15:35:53
I think the fact that city's movement and ball retention is so good has a lot to do with it .


7.) 13 Mar 2018 16:22:54
Spot on Ed001, Fernandinho is the weakest link there. He's a bit flaky and doesn't like it when he's getting pressured. I really think Mctominay could do a good job by getting in his face and haranguing him the for the whole match.

{Ed001's Note - agreed, he really does not like it. Very good player when given time and space but rush him and put him under pressure and he gives the ball away time and time again.}


 

 

 

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06 May 2018 21:09:25
I think the whole do you blame players or the manager thing needs consistency if you feel it's not the managers fault when players performance or attitude are poor as he's not out on the pitch and can't be held accountable when they cross the line that's fine but why praise him when performance and attitude is good when you feel it was nothing to do with him when it wasn't.
To me the buck stops with the manager good or bad . I don't like the way he has us playing most of the time but we are second and in a cup final and as I say buck stops with the manager so to me that's worthy of another chance to make a title challenge . I may like others suspect we are as likely to slip back as keep going forward but that hasn't happened yet . If we do well next year IL praise the manager if we don't IL hold him accountable what I won't do is say he's great when we win but it's the players fault when we lose and nothing to do with him .

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14 Nov 2017 10:35:43
I'm a big bale fan and would have loved us to get him last summer, other posters pointed out it was to risky as he's injured a lot and now to be honest they are being proved correct . Very hard to justify big fee and big wages .

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17 Jul 2017 14:13:18
If there was an acceptance ddg was leaving it would be a big call not to take kroos if it shown to be possible, played for some good sides but made them better a serial trophy winner, you'd need a pretty special side not to fit him in, not realy a destroyer though but offers massive control of a game against good sides to imo.

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15 Jun 2017 18:49:14
Danny IL try and offer a view as why a few struggle with morata price . What's causing his valuation people don't see it in his record, sub then 15 in two seasons at juventos then back to Madrid bench again, nobody saying he's a bad player . Is valuation because there's fierce competition for him forcing the price up, maybe but haven't heard much about that . Or finally is price seeming so high cause they don't want to sell, but they seem fairly keen to negotiate if that's the case, maybe they are only willing to negotiate because it's to good a deal for them not to . Personally I'd walk away explore other options and see if there stance changed a little if all interest went because of the price . Hopefully figures of 70 or 80 million is wild paper talk.

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15 Jun 2017 15:18:09
Agree weggy walk away if there's any truth in 80 million we are trying to compete with real Madrid not finance their next superstar by buying there sub. Who else is going to give them anywhere near that, call there bluff and walk away or change target . I'd rather poke up Torino than real Madrid.

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22 May 2018 15:41:37
You certainly have some interesting theories Singh I'm glad we have moved on from the Jose picks smalling every game not because he likes him but because he duznt like him and just wanted him in the shop window theory to the new you shouldn't post about Jose unless it's to say something good as you aren't a manager but it's ok to say what u like about the players even if you have never been a player. It's a forum for people's opinions you will agree with some and disagree with others but people are entitled to an opinion . I don't go and watch a movie and think that was a terrible movie to be then told well I'm not a film director so I must be wrong .

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20 May 2018 22:53:02
Over dramatic redman many fans simply want us to be successful but enjoy watching us trying aswell, playing good entertaining football isn't a pipedream just a different tactical way of good footballers playing .
You want 2 fullbacks a CB, a cm and a right side attacker, I don't disagree but what you don't mention is under Jose we have spent a lot of money on two CBS, and two for cm already . It seems to go over people's head the two CBS have been unable to dislodge what we already had, many of us may think Bailly and lindelehoff are better than what we had but come a big game Jose didn't .

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20 May 2018 00:15:19
I'm taking a guess the plan is two wide attackers play very narrow and use the two fullbacks for the width . But why persist with that when it's clearly not what the two fullbacks you keep selecting are any good at . Get new ones in and try it again I get, but why have we not changed that plan this season when we either haven't got the fullbacks to do that or don't select them . It's been pretty obvious for a long time we lack the width and that's not young and Valencia's strong points so why have we kept doing it. I think we need lots of training ground work on attacking in particular .

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19 May 2018 23:28:52
I'm not really sure how we are utilising him jred, he duznt look too sure either, looks to me like a load of work on the training ground is needed on what we are actually trying to do when attacking I struggle to see what we actually work on . Hopefully Jose is going to make it a bit clearer to the players during the summer as it surely can't be going to plan attacking wise.

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19 May 2018 22:41:55
Jred
I think Sanchez is the one thing I'd cut Jose a bit of slack on . When we were linked with ozil the vast majority wondered if it was possible to get Sanchez instead, he looked arsenal's player we coveted the most .
Nobody I doubt could have seen how bad he would be upto now and whatever the flaws in the tactics he has struggled in lots of games to make the most basic of passes despite appearing to try hard.
Jose was on a hiding to nothing whatever he did, if he took him out the team a good while ago and tried to work on tactics and confidence the minute we lost a game Jose would get pelters such as why did we lose with the big wages guy not even in the team, so he chose to keep playing him hoping he would improve, but that's fired up the martial thing as he may have had some indifferent games but not to the same degree as Sanchez.
I hope we do lots of work in the summer with him and his team mates as to what we are actually trying to do and hopefully his confidence picks up and he will look more like the player many of us hoped for.

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