09 May 2017 14:16:42
Well it looks like Chelsea have finally wrapp8 the league up and to be honest they deserve it, spurs and Chelsea have been the best 2 teams in the league .
I've read a lot on here that it's down to all there great players but the best honest there best performance has come from conte Imo.
Defensively they have been great, have a good gk nearly on a par with Ddg but the back 4 or 3 is where conte has been clever.
Luiz has done great but a lot considered him a bit of a joke on the site however conte has played a 3 at the back which has give him some protection and let him get on the ball which has worked very well.
Cahill who is solid, not the same level as bailly and then azilicueta a rb who to be fair has done great at cb .
But what's made it work is the form of there wing backs and who conte has used them as an attacking forecast given Chelsea a 5 up top .
Moses and Alonso have been great, who would of thought that, could you see moses at united . I'm not sure either are top full backs or attackers but conte has found a role that gets the best out of them.
And that where conte has done well, Chelsea started the season pretty poor but conte quickly changed the formation and has really got the best out of the above .
In cm Kante is the stand out but are the rest of them that good .
I though last summer fellaini would do well under jose as he is very similar to matic and fabergass while he has been a fantastic isn't quite the same he was . Does for Chelsea what carrick does for us, to be honest herrer or pogba would walk in to the Chelsea midfield Imo .
Up front is similar Costa has been good a bit like Ibra for us, not sure there the type of player this united team need but both had a good season .
Hazard is class but Pedro, William while playing well have both got stick on the site, conte has them all playing well tho and they look like an attacking unit.
Got to wonder tho if the tables where turned and we had a front 3 or 4 that included Costa Pedro and Willian that maybe weren't on top of the game and had Chelsea had a in form Ibra miki martial and rash what people's opinions would be.
On the bench last night Chelsea had begovic, zouma, ake, chalobah and Loftus. Not the strongest bench Imo.
But you look at Chelsea last year and this year and Imo united and Chelsea and I have to say hats off to conte.
09 May 2017 14:38:12
That's a good post, jred. I'm a Chelsea fan, but I agree with (almost) everything you said. Pogba would start in our team, no question about that. Herrera would probably start over Matic as well. Valencia is IMO a better fit for RWB spot and as you said Cahill is decent but nothing more. Bailly would start over him probably. In attack, the only Chelsea player I'd pick would be Hazard as he's different class and the best attacker in the PL in my opinion. I think Ibra is a better striker than Costa, and I'd start Mkhi and Martial over Pedro myself. Only thing I disagree on is Courtois. I find him to be at least on par with De Gea, but that's a minor thing.
All in all, I think you guys have more talented players in your squad than we do. Conte has us performing well nonetheless, and I'm sure Jose will put you back on top next season. There's too much to work with in your squad for you guys not to get rubbish together. That's why I'm really happy that we can probably win the title this season. It might be the last chance we have with you lot and City dominating the transfer market.
09 May 2017 14:42:37
I've said it a few times, jred. Individually, in my opinion, this team of ours is as good as Chelsea's. Our squad is definitely stronger. A few more goals at home, and we'd have been up there challenging.
09 May 2017 14:45:57
This time last year you didn't want Conte, you didn't rate him, you thought he was a cheat and his tactics were negative.
I said I would rather have Conte than Mourinho, very few agreed with me on this site back then. I wonder how many do now.
He has done a wonderful job of unifying that dressing room, of inspiring the players and of getting the measure of this league.
For me Conte, Pochettino and Simeone are the best managers under 50, and arguably as good or better than those over 50 as well. Maybe if things don't work out well with Jose next season we should take a serious look at Simeone, as I'm sure Conte and Pochettino are currently unavailable.
{Ed001's Note - Nagelmann?}
09 May 2017 14:49:20
99
Yer I totally agree.
Jackson
Both top gk I wouldn't swap ddg for Courtois but then again I wouldn't courteous for ddg.
09 May 2017 14:59:06
Shaps
I've said a few times during the season how well he has done he has proved me wrong as has Jose, been pretty poor to be honest .
I still think conte is a cheat but that seems to be Italian football for you.
09 May 2017 15:01:15
Simeone would of been my first choice last summer but I don't think we will see him in the Epl got a feeling he will go inter eventually.
09 May 2017 15:18:25
Have you people actually watched Atletico play? You want Jose gone for his style of football and then want Simeone.
09 May 2017 15:58:44
Simione plays similarly to mourinho. Have you seen Athletico play? They go out of their way to stop the opposition playing. So you want to get rid of Mourinho and put Simione in his place? That makes no sense at all.
Re the teams, courtois is better than ddg. Herrera Pogba bailly Rashford will fit in Chelsea team but the rest of our players are not the same standard as Chelsea's. Simple as that.
09 May 2017 15:59:36
Exactly shan.
09 May 2017 16:00:31
Shan
Again no one has suggested Jose should be sacked.
Your getting a bit repetitive just posting the same thing over and over .
I think simeone has done a fantastic job at athletico.
09 May 2017 16:14:54
Should also say if simeone was my first choice last summer Jose was my second .
Again no one above has said Jose should be sacked .
09 May 2017 16:33:47
It's the 2 league titles in 3 years for Chelsea and 1 top 4 for our squad I the same period. But you say or squad is better. Noucamp that is delusional I don't expect that from you from the other bloke yeah because he is just out for a row.
09 May 2017 17:04:04
Ken, not delusional, mate. If I am, then the Chelsea fan up above is as well. Hazard, Kanté, Alonso at the minute, and maybe Luiz, are the only players I would put automatically into our team. Poor management at United for the last three seasons has been our undoing, not poor quality of players. Would Moses, Cahill, Willian, Fabregas, and Matic automatically get into our team ahead of Valencia, Bailly, Herrera and Pogba? Did you see the Chelsea bench last night? Sometimes you just have to hold your hand up and say the other manager has done better with what he has available.
09 May 2017 17:07:08
And I'm still waiting for the 3 Chelsea subs you said would get into our team, from the post below, mate.
09 May 2017 17:46:24
Fabregas Willian and Terry.
Jose won a title with these players as well.
09 May 2017 17:53:19
Nagelmann is a very interesting choice ed01. Very good youth coach and looks to have taken the step up to senior level in his stride.
What do you think about him as a manager of the game and the players.
{Ed001's Note - I really rate what he has done so far. The question is how well will his methods work over a longer period of time? No matter who the coach is, they have to adapt and evolve over time. Fergie did it by changing the head coach under him, as they moved on to a managerial role, he would bring in a new one that was up to date with the latest methods and techniques. So it never got stale. Others, such as Wenger, start off ahead of the curve, then gradually are caught up and end up behind. We will have to see what Nagelmann is like in the long term, but right now he is a stand out manager.}
09 May 2017 18:05:06
Fabregas Willian curtois kante Costa hazard Pedro will walk straight in our team.
09 May 2017 18:13:36
Terry? When was the last time he played football .
William and fabergas are as much subs for Chelsea as mata miki martial carrick fellaini are for united .
Terry? There really wasn't a third option was there
Leciester won the title last season I think we have a better squad than them.
09 May 2017 18:25:02
Terry, Zouma, Ake, Chalobah, Loftus-Cheek, Willian
That was the bench from last night. You'd have a 36 year old Terry in ahead of Rojo, and Willian in ahead of who? Miki, Mata? Fabregas was playing so he doesn't count. Still wouldn't have him in ahead of Pogba or Herrera. Plus, he's a wee c**t.
Janssen Vorm Nkoudou Trippier Sissoko Dembele Wimmer
That was the Spurs bench in their last game, who you also said would have three players in our first team. At a push, I'd give you Dembele ahead of Herrera. As for the rest. Even their first team, I've got down at about half and half with ours.
I know this is all subjective and opinion, but I've been a football fan for 40 years. Rose-tinted or delusional is not something I've ever been called as a United fan. I call it like I see it, mate.
09 May 2017 18:30:27
Terry wouldn't start for you guys. He's barely able to move at this point. He's probably still really good when you want to sit deep and pack the box, as his vision and positional sense are 2nd to almost none. But your team should be dominating proceedings and playing on the front foot. With Terry you can't do that as he can't defend in space anymore. Players running at him lead to either a red card or him getting blown past and a 1v1 with the keeper.
Willian is a decently good player, but he's nothing special. He slows down nearly every attack and often doesn't even look towards goal to see if he can be dangerous. He simply likes passing it back. He's a good squad player to have, but no way in hell should he be starting over Martial, Mkhi, Mata and Rashford. I think you've got a fairly equal player in Lingard (hard worker but not the most dangerous attacking wise) .
You can't start Fabregas in a midfield 2 against a top club either. Opposition midfields just breeze past him (which is what happened when we played City at the Etihad this season. We got incredibly lucky that they didn't score more than 1 before we hit back, as they were waltzing through our midfield whenever they wanted) . Fab is a very good impact player, and extremely useful against a side like Boro for example as they left him with all the time and space in the world because they sat deep. In general I'd start Herrera over him.
Lastly, Pedro's had a very good season. I've been absolutely surprised by what he's been able to do. But if I could I'd buy Martial off you guys and I'd start him in that spot. Power, speed, dribbling and an eye for goal. He ticks all the boxes and I've been a fan of his since his Monaco days (gutted when I found out Chelsea weren't willing to pay more than 20m or something, and that you guys were) .
09 May 2017 20:02:53
Seems the point being missed in the eulogy to Conte is that he inherited the Champions from 1 year previously, We are where we are after the team not being adequately improved late in SAF tenure, then appointing a relegation manager, followed by someone who didn't work. Perspective is needed and reality is that Chelsea were a lot further on in their position as a team this season than we were. You can use it or try and use it as a stick to beat Jose with but in reality the starting position at the beginning of this season was miles apart.
09 May 2017 20:04:29
Pedro is a good example of a player who looked pants last year but looks good this year. On a wider note, the Chelsea players downed tools last year and were rubbish whereas the same group of players looked excellent and won the League. None of that is opinion, it is fact.
Yet people insist our players are rubbish and that Jose is the Messiah, I simply don't buy that. Of course he needs time but I expected more from him this season. He wasn't my first choice, I didn't want him anywhere near our club and he has pretty much delivered what I thought he would. I sincerely hope he can step it up. It I remain unconvinced.
09 May 2017 20:16:52
Redman
Or back to my op you can recognise that conte has done a very good job this season compared to what Chelsea did last season instead of offering nothing other than the "Jose is great line ".
I think people forget this is Manchester United not Jose united it seems some support him more than the club .
09 May 2017 20:17:15
Some good points here. I don't think our squad is as bad as some make out but there are definitely deficiencies and a lot of average talent. The point point missed by many here is the lack of European footy for Conte to deal with. This can work to the benefit or detriment of a team, depending on other circumstances, so will be interesting to see how things pan out for Chelsea next season - with more on their plate.
09 May 2017 20:31:58
Jred
I do recognise Conte has done a very good job, anyone winning the league has done, I have not said he hasn't but his starting position was further on than Jose and he didn't have Thursday nights. Let's not forget Ranieri won it last year and where is he now?
I don't offer the Jose is great line, but his cv is, especially compared to the last two managers, however he is our manager and is turning the ship around. I feel it is turning and do not agree with the sniping against him at this point, he has not deserved it.
I trust your some support Jose more than the club comment was not aimed at me.
09 May 2017 21:15:10
Red
It was general observation to be honest, all I seem to read from some people is Jose this Jose that.
At the end of the day Jose is just an employee who has been at the club for 10 month .
Imo the team should of probably done better than what they have this season and by team I mean manager and players .
Jose took over a team that had finished 5th on goal difference and won the FA cup that's not to bad, he then bought pogba Ibra miki and bailly and the result is we will probably finish lower in the league than the previous season .
Conte took over a mid table team bought Kante and Luiz is in the final of the FA cup and won the league .
That's not my opinion it's fact .
Fair point about Leicester but Chelsea struggled much the same after they won the league very similar in fact with both managers getting the sack .
09 May 2017 21:56:28
Jred
I think the team should have done better, but we have shown a lack of composure in front of goal when it mattered and that is down to the players inexperience under increasing pressure.
I really don't think people appreciate where we were at the end of last season, a lack of confidence but we had lost the winnng mentality, the absolute belief we would prevail, it will take time to rebuild that.
09 May 2017 22:38:06
At the end of the season we where 5th and FA cup winners and that was with this same squad minus Ibra miki pogba and bailly and even rashford who only played the last couple of month last season .
Far better squad than last season Imo.