05 Sep 2016 16:40:33
It's crazy how a lot of you think Guardiola is very similar to Van Gaal.
The man has changed for the better every year for the past 5 or so seasons.
This evening I've set aside a few hours to write a post for the FNV part of the website all about how changes in tactics and what he is bringing to the Premier League this year.
I'm happy with Mourinho, I think they're both on a par to be honest. But I do think We'll struggle against City this week, Mourinho always struggles against Pep.
{Ed041's Note - I'm sure that will be interesting as I'm not convinced. I just don't see how you can make any claims like u have when he has had it easy to a large extent, in leagues where his teams were miles ahead of everyone else and the moment it looked like getting tricky he jumped. In fact id say he regressed Bayern myself.
05 Sep 2016 17:44:46
He is very similar to van Gaal.
Both play poshesshion hogging yawn yawn football.
And you have very sticky posters of the two of them hidden under your bed.
05 Sep 2016 17:57:58
jose
i agree with you on this i think pep is a top manager.
05 Sep 2016 18:08:00
Hes a top manager but not as good as Jose or until he proves it with a team like Man City.
I completely agree with Ed that Guardiola had it easy so far and actually made Bayern go down in quality.
I can see Ancelloti doing really well for Bayern and they will have a very good chance with champions league as Guardiola is no longer there.
05 Sep 2016 18:34:46
I don't think anyone is saying he's not a top manager but there are question marks about him.
Can he manage in a league of lower quality than those before but one which is way more competitve.
Can he manage a group of players that are not as good as what he's had before.
They are legitimate tests of his management.
05 Sep 2016 18:39:41
dsg
same as fergy then, must be a lot of questions about him .
to be fair people say the same about messi .
05 Sep 2016 18:51:00
Jose - You were banging on until the very end about how LVG was a tactical genius. I read your tactical assessment of LVG, which was very kind of you to post. I also recall a post you made just before he was moved on saying something like "Am I the only one who thinks LVG should stay", or words to that effect.
So what has changed since then? LVG hasn't managed anybody else and he was sacked, (which was not your decision) .
I appreciate anybody posting more inciteful comments, but I'm a bit skeptical personally about any "Assessments" you prepare considering your views and mine are polar opposites.
In my humble opinion it doesn't take a genius to know that Pep and LVG are very similar managers. Pep has just tried to do it with a bit more pace in the build up. It's like the Black and White TV was the predecessor to the Colour TV. There are obvious improvements but that's just because one is younger and time moves on.
05 Sep 2016 19:01:40
beast
can you not say that about 99% of the top managers.
05 Sep 2016 20:11:29
Difference between Pep and LVG,
Pep always had the players he needed.
LVG didnt.
05 Sep 2016 20:21:01
Didn't Jose Moonrinho also say a while back that Wayne Rooney was " one of the most intelligent players I have ever seen"?
Enough said.
PS please, this is not to start another debate about the England "manager". 😀.
05 Sep 2016 20:48:27
Fergie did it at Aberdeen a feat not repeated since. He build several title and cl winning teams over the best part of 30 years He won with poor teams with not a huge amount of investment particularly towards the end.
He Took on the challenge of new money at Chelsea and city and beat them to titles.
Yes he was far from perfect but has a lit less questions to answer than pep.
Pep is a really good coach imo but he has not overcome anything like the challenges Fergie overcame at United and Aberdeen .
He did no better than his predecessor at bayern he in fact did worse despite spending huge money.
He inherited a fantastic team at Barcelona that included the phenomenon that is messi. Those that followed him have broken records he set so I'm not sure that his success at Barcelona was down to him anymore than down to the players he had such as messi ineasta and xavi
He will win things at city but won't dominate like he did in the one horse town of the German league. He will not dominate in the EPL like Fergie did.
And I'm not sure he could coach Aberdeen to European glory and break the monopoly of the old firm.
05 Sep 2016 21:18:36
His 2010/ 11 and 2012/ 13 teams were certainly of a lower standard and to win the title in those season was nothing short of a masterstroke.
The only real question mark that hangs over ferguson is his record in europe which he himself has said is not as good as it should have been. The fact that pep beat us in two finals is quite ironic considering we are having this debate.
05 Sep 2016 21:23:01
The EPL will test peps resolve to th highest level! To the point where he may be looking good at xmas but we will see exactly how he has coped by may 2017.
In my humble opinion, for this season, he will struggle!
05 Sep 2016 21:43:29
At the time in Scotland Aberdeen had a good team and a bit of coin.
Could fergy do it in a tactical league like la liga, he had some good United teams but struggled at times with the tactical side of Europe. 2 CL in 25 year .
Will pep dominate the epl like fergy?
I doubt it, I'm not sure any manager or team will again to be honest .
If fergy was 10 years younger I'm not sure he would
You can make a case for fergy Jose pep to be great managers the truth is there records show that they are .
Or you can ignore what they have won pick holes in there achievements and make out they had it easy .
Forgot how many times I have read on this site Jose is only a good manager if he has sheds load of cash etc.
Ken
You say messi is a phenomenon and I agree, all though many would argue and have that his only that good in an amazing barce side .
Not that good for Argentina .
It's not that simple .
Madrid at the time had ronaldo and co, good managers there where some good teams in Europe but Barcelona dominated. So credit where it is due .
But the point is you can pick holes in anyone's reputation.
05 Sep 2016 21:43:58
Messi and co in their pomp. A truly great side nearly unbeatable at that time. With great players riding the crest of a wave Fergie should have won a couple more champion leagues but those 2 were not the ones he rues I'm sure.
97 and 01 were the 2 he should have won I think.
05 Sep 2016 21:43:29
At the time in Scotland Aberdeen had a good team and a bit of coin.
Could fergy do it in a tactical league like la liga, he had some good United teams but struggled at times with the tactical side of Europe. 2 CL in 25 year .
Will pep dominate the epl like fergy?
I doubt it, I'm not sure any manager or team will again to be honest .
If fergy was 10 years younger I'm not sure he would
You can make a case for fergy Jose pep to be great managers the truth is there records show that they are .
Or you can ignore what they have won pick holes in there achievements and make out they had it easy .
Forgot how many times I have read on this site Jose is only a good manager if he has sheds load of cash etc.
Ken
You say messi is a phenomenon and I agree, all though many would argue and have that his only that good in an amazing barce side .
Not that good for Argentina .
It's not that simple .
Madrid at the time had ronaldo and co, good managers there where some good teams in Europe but Barcelona dominated. So credit where it is due .
But the point is you can pick holes in anyone's reputation.
05 Sep 2016 21:43:58
Messi and co in their pomp. A truly great side nearly unbeatable at that time. With great players riding the crest of a wave Fergie should have won a couple more champion leagues but those 2 were not the ones he rues I'm sure.
97 and 01 were the 2 he should have won I think.
05 Sep 2016 22:22:57
Jesus, even I could manage Messi xavi iniesta busquetts and turn them into champions year in year out. Let's face it moorinho, if we had Messi xavi and iniesta in our team then the rest of the league will be playing for second spot.
At Bayern, he only had a depleted Dortmund side to beat and he again had incredible talent in the side.
City possess superb players in Aguerro Silva and De Bruyne, but this league is a lot more competitive than Spain or Germany. So it will be interesting how Pep does.
No one is questioning his ability. But you have to realise that Jose Mourinho is also a top class manager who won the CL in Portugal Italy and Spain. He won titles in all these countries and in England. This guy is different class.
05 Sep 2016 22:45:47
Sch
Like I said they are all good managers .
Messi and co don't win the league every year tho so it's maybe not as easy as people think.
How many titles could you of won with ronaldo and co? More than the one they have managed in the 8 year he has been at the club .
If pep had dominated with the great players at Madrid would people say anyone can win a title with ronaldo and bale etc?
I'm playing devils advocate a bit, but you can pick holes in anyone's record if you want to.
05 Sep 2016 22:42:53
The following doesn't mean I think pep isn't a good coach he is. But a great one not yet it's not something he has proved beyond doubt. After inheriting a team with Ronaldinho, Deco, Iniesta etc with Messi and co coming up later even moyes would struggle not to win with such talent at his disposal. Then going to the one team show that is the Bundesliga with bayern.
Jose on the other hand has achieved just as much with way fewer resources. His champions League winning Porto team beat all the big guns on the road to the title including SAF let's see how the season goes not just the weekend game before deciding who is better ultimately.