28 May 2024 04:26:20
Saf only won 5 fa cups. Utd have won 13 in nearly 150 years. I think people are underplaying how big an FA cup win is. How many has harry Kane got? Or Arteta since he started managing? How about Alan Shearer, greatest scorer in epl history? We cannot allow top 4 to become more important than winning the second biggest prize in english football. And we can't be sacking managers who win the FA cup in a season when they have suffered major injury crises throughout the year. Make the smart choice ineos and put some trust in EtH.
28 May 2024 07:40:06
Agreed Dodgy. Winning a trophy is much more important than any league position beyond 1st. We are averaging an FA Cup win every 11.5 years.
Imo we’ve had a better season than Arsenal in both of the last two years.
Give me a trophy and 3rd/ 8th over 2nd and no trophy every single day of the week.
{Ed025's Note - the FA cup was a good end to the season Wazza but to say you had a better season than Arsenal is stretching it a bit far mate, they ran city very close in the major trophy where UTD were also rans, its papered over the cracks and to think that it absolves the team for what was a disgrace of a season is foolhardy imo, it seems that all is forgiven now and EtH is the best thing since sliced bread again and the slate is wiped clean...United should be better than that..
28 May 2024 08:55:04
Hear hear!
28 May 2024 09:46:23
Wazza, although I agree with your sentiment, sadly, getting champions league has almost become a trophy in itself over the past 20 years due to the financial reward and ability to attract better players. Performance in the league now will always outweigh any cup win which is a sad indictment of how people hold the FA Cup. I’d love (even more so this season ?) if the FA Cup winners got champions league ahead of 4th. No sport in the world rewards 4th place with a more significant reward than winning a cup. And I don’t care if a Palace, Fulham, Brighton won it, good for them, they deserve a crack at the big time. But the truth is, apart from Leicester, it’s usually won by won of the “top 4/ 5” clubs anyway.
28 May 2024 08:47:16
I get your point Ed25, but I posted similar recently that we need to realise where we are in the pecking order right now.
We’re a club actually starting again with an actual professional footballing structure being put in place to finally to fill the void left by Sir Alex. To win two cups in two years in this mess, with a takeover happening, certain players making life very difficult (I’m looking at you Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford and Greenwood), and an injury list longer than an A&E ward all centred around defence, I think ten Hag has done as good as anybody could. I think he deserves a shot. He’s not all of a sudden a bad coach this year when last year and his time at Ajax proved otherwise. He invests in youth, has a track record of decent football (maybe not this year granted), and wins trophies.
If he was still at Ajax now, they wouldn’t be in the mess they are, and he’d be exactly the type of manager we’d all be wanting to be appointed right now. He’s had an average seaon, but we beat our arch rivals and beat them deservedly so in the cup final. I for one and pretty happy with that, with expectations league form must improve.
Backed by a proper football structure (training facilities, medical teams, fitness coaches), with proper recruitment and scouting, he’s got as good a chance as anybody.
It’ll still be Tuchel mind after my long Shappy style essay.
{Ed025's Note - i get what you are saying Eric but for a club of United,s stature its just not good enough mate, how long is this transition going to take?, yes the cup was a nice boost but CL qualification should be a given for a club of this magnitude and for me the FA cup has just papered over the cracks, i really expected better after 22/23 where it looked like progress but the same old flaws seem to have come home to roost again and United should never accept mediocrity imo, i dont think its all down to EtH but i dont think hes ruthless enough to stem the tide, its not an easy fix though and whoever (if anybody) takes over will have a massive job on their hands, but i do wish you well because the premier league needs a strong United team and you all deserve better..
28 May 2024 08:56:41
Ed I get that side of the argument, but before a ball is kicked, I’d take a trophy and no CL over CL and no trophy.
The rest is just noise and will soon be forgotten.
{Ed025's Note - im not buying that Wazza, CL qualification is your bread and butter for a club of United,s history mate, not scraping through against Coventry for a day out in London, it should be nights out in Barcelona and Madrid that should be the aim of a club of your stature, but i suppose we all have our own standards..
28 May 2024 09:17:17
Total delusion ed025 we had nowhere close a season to Arsenal. The fans were seething every game yet people come out with these wild statements we had a better season than Arsenal.
What have we become? Total Liverpool levels of delusion, shocking. The manager has been allover the place and will continue to be next season because he doesn’t get the league.
{Ed025's Note - im with you G nev, it just shows how low expectations have fallen to mate..
28 May 2024 09:18:00
I daresay in the history books only the facts will remain, which are that I will remember the season more for Manchester United winning the FA Cup than Arsenal 'almost' winning the league. :p.
{Ed025's Note - but even Wigan can win cups spenno, no disrespect to the likes of Villa and Spurs but if you are happy to finish behind the likes of them then it just shows how far this club has fallen mate..
28 May 2024 10:00:04
Well said DB.
28 May 2024 10:14:00
I must be old fashioned, but I just do not see CL qualification as better than a domestic trophy.
The only way CL qualification can be deemed better is if the team goes on to win it. So let’s see if Arsenal win the CL this coming season. But I very much doubt they will as it’s very difficult, and therefore I’m taking the trophy every day of the week.
{Ed025's Note - i can just picture you Wazza standing on your own in a nightclub with your shirt open sporting a Del Boy like medallion around your neck mate.. :)
28 May 2024 11:12:48
We had an awful season, but we did win a trophy, taking us to 2 behind Liverpool. The obsession with the a champions League is pretty silly, qualifying generates cash but even if we had scraped top 4, we would be a long way from winning it.
Arsenal had a great season, they have an awesome team, they are well positioned to challenge for the League and Champions League. We won a cup off the back of a terrible league showing.
But I still like to keep the trophies clicking over.
28 May 2024 11:29:11
Fair point Ed025, I don't doubt that the club has fallen considerably in the last decade. But got to cling onto the few rays of sunshine they've provided in that time!
{Ed025's Note - its ok to bask in the sunshine sometimes spenno, as long as you prepare for the cold and rain that inevitably comes your way mate.. :)
28 May 2024 12:24:30
If we had just had Arsenal's season then no way would there be any discussion of Ten Hag being sacked.
28 May 2024 13:19:31
Agreed. A great end to a truly awful season.
28 May 2024 12:38:59
Agree 100% Ed025. There's a real lack of reality with some of the posters in here. I just don't get what they've been watching all year.
{Ed025's Note - they have been watching guff BRD, a bunch of players some of them very good individuals who have not played as a team mate, unfortunately that has to be laid at the door of the manager im afraid, turning up for a cup final is just not good enough and some of them should be ashamed of themselves, hes a nice man EtH...maybe too nice and far too loyal to some imo, would these players have acted up like they did if SAF was in charge?...not a chance, get someone in with a backbone i suggest..
28 May 2024 16:39:46
Ed, I don’t think anybody is claiming that United have played well all year. I think every poster on here, regardless of their opinion on ETH, will accept that 8th isn’t good enough.
There is a difference between dropping standards and accepting where we are. This conversation has veered well away from the subject of winning a trophy vs CL qualification. As for the night club, you’re more likely to catch me in the Thomas Frost!
{Ed025's Note - love it Wazza, for me mate the domestic cups are a bonus and are mainly for the supporters than the club, the generation of money and the players it will attract it would be CL every day of the week personally, some will have a different view i suppose and thats fine..
28 May 2024 16:59:40
Backbone Ed? Poch? Lol.
{Ed025's Note - not for me angel..
28 May 2024 18:34:53
Nor me ed, smart thing would be to let ETH carry on. If it doesn't go well, no harm done, more time will have passed, structure in place and a new man will be appointed.
Sack ETH now, puts INEOS right under the cosh straight off the bat.
{Ed025's Note - they say the biggest act of stupidity is to do the same thing and expect different results angel, i see it as a great opportunity for SJR to put a marker down here and show he can steer the club in the right direction, but maybe thats just me mate..
28 May 2024 18:37:16
It’s a totally fair argument Ed - and what you say about fans… we are all fans. Nothing more (despite what one or two on here think ?) . The cups are great and I have to admit I’ve been over the moon since Saturday. As they say, you’re only as good as your last game, and our last game was an FA Cup win which was also a derby AND dropped Chelsea to the Europa conference AND knocked Newcastle out of Europe. As a fan, surely that’s something to celebrate.
{Ed025's Note - im not knocking the excellent cup win Wazza, its the best i have seen you play for quite a while mate so enjoy it..
28 May 2024 20:30:31
Well 25, that we can agree on.
{Ed025's Note - i knew there had to be something we agree on Wazza mate.. :)
28 May 2024 22:54:18
Spurs comparison is harsh Ed025, there was a trophy win after all!
{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point actually Kev.. :)
29 May 2024 08:24:41
I'm alright with insanity if it means winning trophies ed.
if you think so ed. But if SJR does, he better get it right because there won't be much sympathy if it goes tits up. That's why I think he should give ETH the rope. He will either pull himself up or hang himself. And if he does hang, we'll SJR can turn around and start from a completely new slate. He doesn't by sacking a man that majority want to stay.
{Ed025's Note - in the end its just my opinion angel, i just dont think one great game can define a season mate even though lifting the cup was a massive boost for the fan base, i could be wrong....but that has never happened before.. :)
29 May 2024 09:30:38
Was this poll that states the majority want ETH to stay carried out before or after the FA cup?
I wonder, if it was done afterwards, how much the result was swayed by the immediate euphoria of winning the cup and what the results would have been if it wasn’t done afterwards? I’m not advocating either way. I have already decided what I would prefer but will accept a decision either way.
As far as FA Cup goes, I would have preferred CL over an FA Cup (or both! ) . It’s not about winning the CL. It’s about being there to attract the right players to support the rebuild.
29 May 2024 09:28:43
I'm looking at the 2 seasons, 2 cups, 3 finals and we should have went further in Europa league last year. All under an absolute mess of a club. He needs time. Our two most successful managers of all time, had time.
I'm sick of this carousel and I will not judge him on last season. There's been huge upheaval at the club.
Haha Ed, we will see ?.
{Ed025's Note - we certainly will mate.. :)
29 May 2024 10:52:54
It was before the cup final Keefy.
Honestly it’s mostly noisy internet fans that want him out from my experience. The feeling in and around the ground, and amongst friends who are local and lifelong Manchester United fans, is very positive towards ETH. As I have said before, I’ve never heard so much discontent towards players inside OT. But one or two of those players are leaving / have left, which bodes well for the coming season.
29 May 2024 12:13:17
Fair enough.
As I have said I am not completely against ETH but admit to sitting in the out basket. But as I have said will happily get behind him and team if he stays.
BUT
He needs some educating or vetting of his post match comments. Some may be lost in translation but jeez he has spouted some tripe! That is possibly what has alienated him more than his strange tactics and substitutions as he often comes over as having lost the plot.
Time will tell. Going to be a very long and drawn out close season!
29 May 2024 13:46:01
He can talk double dutch for my liking Keefy mate, as long as he keeps bringing home that silverware ?.
29 May 2024 17:12:04
I was a 9 year old in boarding school and had no affiliation until I saw united win that 77 fa cup vs the scousers. its always been a great trophy for me and my induction to becoming a lifetime united fan. I wonder how many young ones watching that game of Saturday are the next lifers.