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05 Aug 2024 13:14:51
Hi Ed002.
Hope you're well.
Is it true that Barcelona are desperate to get rid of De Jong? If so, are Manchester United still interested in the player, or are the club happy with Mainoo in that position?
{Ed002's Note - Frenkie de Jong (CM/DM) Barcelona will look for a new contract with reduced wages else he will be sold in the summer with interest remaining from Manchester United - although he will need to prove his fitness after injury - so might be one for later in the window. PSG have spoken with his agent and additionally his agent has raised his availability with Chelsea whist discussing another player and with Arsenal - but neither is interested and the wages are huge.}
1.) 05 Aug 2024 14:42:13
Thanks, as always.
2.) 06 Aug 2024 12:39:20
I mean if they are prepared to consider a swap for Antony then they must be truly desperate.
21 Jul 2024 12:52:56
Hi Ed002. Hope you're good.
Do we (or any other clubs besides Madrid) have any interest in Alphonso Davies? One suspects Bayern would prefer to get a decent fee for him this summer than let him walk away for nothing this time next year.
{Ed002's Note - Another club has an interest but not Manchester United.}
1.) 21 Jul 2024 14:43:05
Thanks, Ed. Would be happy to see him move this summer, even if it’s not to us. Am not a fan of Real’s transfer tactics as of late.
2.) 21 Jul 2024 15:52:01
I don't mind it to be honest, they've earned that level of influence. I'd want us to take inspiration for when (if) we return to the top.
Someone like Wharton on a free when he's 24 to partner Mainoo in midfield for club and country would do me nicely!
3.) 21 Jul 2024 23:20:53
They’ve earned their level of influence!? What, like tapping up players left, right and centre!?
4.) 22 Jul 2024 05:04:05
No, what Real are doing is taking the p*** out of other clubs.
They're basically saying 'You crack on spending years helping to develop and nurture talent and, when we feel the time is right, we'll swagger over and bully you into a corner. '
Nobody earns the level of influence to go around acting like a w⚓️ towards everyone else, what utter BS that is.
5.) 22 Jul 2024 10:18:02
While I appreciate it's a perfectly legitimate way to do business, I think this new approach by Real Madrid is morally questionable at best, bullying and professional abuse at worse.
They are one of the wealthiest and richest clubs in the world, they are one of the few clubs that can currently afford to spend large sums of money on the best players.
There are several tiers of clubs, and Real Madrid are in that elite top tier, reserved for the richest, most powerful and successful clubs.
That top tier hoover up the most talented players to create an elite football team on the pitch.
The tiers below realistically will never climb into that top tier, they might occasionally upset the applecart. Finish in the UCL places, win a domestic cup or even do a Leicester and win a surprise league title. Yet that success tends to be fleeting and often ends with their best players being picked off by those established top sides. Unless they get massive outside investment they will not change the established order. While the new rules actually make it harder for outside investment, further cutting off that remaining pathway to becoming a top side.
Yet, those sides in the lower tiers are vital to the overall success and quality of football. As those sides grow, improve and develop they are the ones that push the elite sides to improve further to stay ahead.
However, those sides do not have access to the same TV revenue (with the exception of the EPL), they don't have access to the same level of sponsorship, and they can't make anywhere near as much through merchandise. For many of them they rely on the funds they make through player sales. Either developing a youth player through their academy or by spotting a rough diamond player and polishing him into a top level player. Then selling them on for a huge fee to bring in money to reinvest in their club.
Theses clubs need and rely on the big fees paid by the elite sides for their best players.
Likewise the elite sides are rarely able to develop their own players consistently due to the need to win every game and perform at the highest level in every game. While that environment is often not conducive for a young player to develop in.
These clubs are needed to produce and provide the right space and environment for players to develop and reach their potential.
The elite sides need these clubs to continue the conveyor belt of top talent for them to sign and create their football dream teams.
What Real Madrid are doing by putting pressure on players to run down their contracts so they can leave for free undermines the whole system. It's an abuse of power and position.
While not breaking any rules or laws of the game, it is morally corrupt and threatens the stability of football.
I understand that the spiralling costs of players is staggering, and becoming a problem within itself. Personally I think this is a bigger issue for the smaller and mid-sized clubs who are being pushed to spend representatively more on players due to the incomes of the elite sides growing at a much quicker rate than the rest of the clubs.
When an elite side has a net income of 500m, then a 100m player represents a 5th (20%) of their income. Yet those clubs just below them might only have a net income of 150m, which means that 100m player represents two thirds of their income (66%) .
That is why the inflated prices impact those clubs outside of the elite teams more than those like Real Madrid.
There needs to be a solution to stop these spiraling costs, but it cannot be by all clubs adopting Real Madrid's current approach as that will lead to the financial collapse of those smaller and mid-sized clubs that prop up the entire football structure.
6.) 22 Jul 2024 10:32:16
Too right Ork. I’m no fan of PSG, but Real have had them right off.
7.) 22 Jul 2024 11:39:31
It's not a new approach, Bayern made a habit of that strategy with Lewandowski, Goertzka, Gnabry and Rudy. Is it morally questionable? Of course. But you also could argue that so are transfer fees in itself. I can potentially see a day where the 'Bosman' rule gets expanded and fees no longer exist.
I doubt anyone would've complained if it was us that enticed Mbappe, whilst lining up the likes of Yoro and Davies etc for free in future windows. I definitely would've been bragging about that level of influence to my Liverpool friends that's for sure.
8.) 22 Jul 2024 11:45:30
Not Gnabry I'm confused with someone else who I can't remember now.
17 Jul 2022 14:15:08
Question for Ed002 if you're around. Any chance of us making a move for Depay this summer if Ronaldo leaves?
{Ed002's Note - No he is heading elsewhere.}
1.) 17 Jul 2022 16:06:42
Where?
2.) 17 Jul 2022 16:55:07
Looks to maybe be Spurs?
3.) 17 Jul 2022 17:14:28
I would assume Spurs Fireman.
4.) 17 Jul 2022 18:10:12
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5.) 17 Jul 2022 23:41:54
Thanks, Ed. Think he’s ready for the EPL now, so can see him being a bit of a bargain for somebody. Shame it won’t be us. A front three of Rashford, Sancho, and Depay could be interesting. I’d much rather him than Anthony.
6.) 18 Jul 2022 09:42:13
He’s had two cracks at playing at an elite level with us and Barcelona and been found wanting. Plus the whole circus show that follows him. Not for me.
7.) 18 Jul 2022 13:45:17
If ever there was a player to sign for spurs it's Memphis, dunno why but he is the most spurs like player ever??.
31 Aug 2021 13:57:00
Martial to PSG rumors starting to come in. Could be a good move for all involved.
{Ed077's Note - except PSG 😂😂. Although I would think it improbable at this stage of the window
1.) 31 Aug 2021 14:04:42
Really depends on whether Real come back with another bid for Mbappe. One has to suspect that PSG are hoping that they will though. I know they’re rolling in cash and Mbappe is a top player, but €180m + wages is a ridiculous amount to pay/ lose for the sake of one more season. If he goes, I can see them scrambling to spend the money on Martial and/ or Pogba, which may allow us to bring in a MF. Mendez is apparently working on the deal as an intermediary, although apparently we’re not overly keen.
2.) 31 Aug 2021 15:40:06
Did Tony start those rumors?
3.) 31 Aug 2021 19:05:23
Martial has more chance of signing for Melchester Rovers today than PSG. Sulkychops is here to stay sadly. Frustrating as we know there’s a talented lad there. Just doesn’t show it anywhere often enough!
4.) 31 Aug 2021 19:32:13
I can only see Martial playing in the league cup and fa cup this year unless we have a lot of injuries.
If we want a chance of winning anything this year the left side has to be rotated between Pogba and Rashford, the right between Greenwood and Sancho, the number 10 between Fernandes and maybe Lingard and CF between Ronaldo and Cavani. Rotating these players in each position doesn't significantly alter the quality in my eyes, it is CM that the issue still is.
McFred isn't ideal but it gets the best out of Pogba being on the left and let's the front 4 and full backs do what they do going forward, well maybe not AWB so much.
We always look worse with Pogba in the centre or when Matic comes in which is why we needed an upgrade there, however it was a pretty good window so hopefully CM will be addressed in Jan or next Summer 🤞🤷â€â™‚ï¸.
5.) 01 Sep 2021 02:35:07
The front 4 options are incredible, and you didn't mention DvdB, Amad, Elanga, Martial. Crazy.
Lindelof and Bailly as reserve CBs
Our squad is stacked.
I actually like McT and Fred surrounded by this team, I am concerned when they can't play. I HOPE McTom and DvdB play together and create something new, I can see Scotty having the physicality height and field coverage to play well with Donny. He needs to be a bit more disciplined.
I think we will suprise a few non believers this year, we could pull it off. The league is very strong, be tough for anyone to win this year.
6.) 01 Sep 2021 17:55:51
I just don't see DVDB getting much league and CL game time again for whatever reason Dodgy, and Amad and Elanga will only be cup players on the whole I think and won't get many league or CL run outs.
I agree those 3 are very good players and add to the rest nicely, I just included the players I see playing plenty of league and CL games. Hopefully Martial isn't one of them, unless he stops being a moody, sulky baby and puts the required effort in.
07 Apr 2021 11:43:01
Question for Ed002, if you're around.
You mentioned recently that we may look to a more experienced striker like Benzema this summer as a stop gap of sorts and I was wondering if Aguero may be an option in that regard.
Reports today are suggesting that he wants to stay in the Premier League and would consider offers from Chelsea or Spurs. I'm aware of the animosity between United and City, but surely we could afford to pay more than either club, can all buy guarantee Champion's League football next season and our Manchester location means that he wouldn't have to relocate his family half way across the country.
Have we or he expressed any interest in making a deal?
{Ed002's Note - No, Aguero won't be moving to Manchester United.}
1.) 07 Apr 2021 13:53:37
Shame, Aguero and DDG are good friends and he would have been a nice stop gap for us.
2.) 07 Apr 2021 15:27:51
There is a good chance neither of them will be in Manchester come the start of next season.
3.) 07 Apr 2021 20:07:32
I wouldn't be surprised to see both back in Spain next year. If DDG does want to go, let's hope we don't make the same mistake as we did with Romero.
4.) 07 Apr 2021 21:48:59
Romero is very handsomely paid to sit on a bench every week.
5.) 08 Apr 2021 15:35:08
Still got that sinking feeling that Giroud is a candidate in this area. A scorer of great goals, but not a great scorer of goals, and you get the feeling Tuchel will be bringing in his own CF this summer (maybe Aguerro) .
{Ed077's Note - Giroud isnt a bad player for me. He would be a decent back up option but I am starting to think we need a starting ST.
Aguero to Chelsea? Improbable IMO.}
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13 Sep 2024 12:03:34
Am I going mad or is Ten Haag just trying to gaslight me? I watched his presser earlier and he now seems to be denying that he said that we weren't in a position to win the league four months ago, which I'm fairly confident he did.
It's also slightly worrying that when asked if he thought we were moving in the right direction he avoided saying yes, instead opting for some vague answer about us finding out at the end of the season. I guess by then we'll probably have replaced him with somebody competent, so maybe that's what he meant. Either that, or he doesn't want to commit to an answer so that he can come up with another excuse after he gets canned.
1.) 13 Sep 2024 12:23:47
The issue is he comes across to many as a bumbling idiot. Our performances reflect that and did all last season and this season to-date.
The manager bloke likes to keep expectation levels low just like his supporters.
Looking for every excuse under the soon to justify the rubbish his team serves up on a weekly basis.
Our aim should be to win the league. But if you state that it can't be done from the outset then your liking for trouble.
He is negative and not to be trusted imo.
Even his fans are saying g we shouldn't finish top 4 it's quite pathetic to go into any competition with that mindset. It's weak and portrays weakness ole was the same.
Keep expectations low In the hope that he can convince the numbskulls that 6th was a marvelous result. Using deflection at every opportunity. Is that in the United DNA I don't think so.
2.) 13 Sep 2024 13:05:08
How much stick did I get when I said ETH was useless this time last year!
3.) 13 Sep 2024 17:45:54
Oh Maze, get over it.
4.) 13 Sep 2024 17:49:58
All he has said is we are aiming for bigger trophies and go into every game wanting to win.
The rest of what you are talking about I have no idea as I watched it and you are imagining things. what's wrong with you guys seriously.
Has slot come out and said we are going for the pl title, or ange or emery or anyone who finished ahead of us besides city and arsenal. not sure even Arteta has said it.
Do you guys see journos asking these guys about winning the league, its Gotcha question. If he says yes he will called deluded by you lot.
Anyone who thinks he should say our aim is to win the league is the numbskull and detached from reality. If you don't like the truth its your issue.
5.) 13 Sep 2024 23:53:25
Our aim should ALWAYS be to win the league! That’s reality!
Whether it’s achievable is a different thing entirely.
6.) 14 Sep 2024 03:46:58
Ahmad. There have been multiple occasions when Ten Haag has said that we couldn’t win the league.
On April 27, ahead of the Burnley game, Ten Haag said “We are competing for top four. […] We are not in this moment in a position to compete for number one or number two [in the league]. That is fact”. In the same press conference, he said “It’s not a two or three horse race in the Premier League anymore […]. There are six or seven teams that can compete”.
As he’d already made it pretty clear that he didn’t think we could win the league when saying this, one has to assume that we weren’t one of the six or seven teams that he was talking about. Ergo, he seems to be suggesting that we are the seventh or eighth best team in the league and that finishing fourth would be an achievement.
In a pre-season interview with AD Sportwereld, when asked if we had a chance of winning the league this season he said “we are really a long way away from that”.
You can call me a numbskull or detached from reality all you want, but I’m not the one trying to dispute objective facts. Ten Haag absolutely said these things and no amount of childish name calling is going to change that. If you don’t like the truth, that’s your issue.
7.) 14 Sep 2024 04:12:54
You are right, he is just trying to gaslight you. But you are not falling for it, are you?
8.) 14 Sep 2024 10:03:47
Having spent (wasted) £600 million, how much more do we need to spend before he can say we should be challenging for the title?
9.) 14 Sep 2024 10:07:33
Redseven
Where was united in the league table comparative to the leaders last April. Are you for real or just so far gone in your dislike of eth that you only see what you want to see. What did you expect him to say. We had a sliver of a chance for top 4 at that time if we could win out and some help from teams above us.
He always answers it by replying about transition, need to win every game and our our aim is higher trophies.
Its basic media training 101 for anyone who does media or in a public space and understands you will get quoted as journos will take a bit of what you said that would make a good headline. I do a lot of them every year and know exactly what he is doing and saying. This is not WWF and the rock for Christ sake. if you want that watch WWF and skip his pressers.
Actually every manager does it its the oldest Gotcha question in football as they will bring it back at you all season if its not going well.
If you think a sign of a good manager is one that is about pleasing you and some of the fans with Bravado bs statements, then you will be disappointed more often than not.
Enzo has squad that they have spent 1.4 bill pounds, do you see him talk about any of this nonsense.
Reality is you dislike/ disapprove of him beyond a point off return so whatever he says or does will not matter. I get it.
10.) 14 Sep 2024 11:02:17
Ahmad, are you really not getting the point or just avoiding it? He is just throwing in the towel even before the ball is being kicked. Whether you win it or not, you simply cannot say that you are not competing. For fucks sake, if you are not in it to win it please stay home and let some other team try it. You are the manager of MANCHESTER UNITED not some roadside league team that it doesn't matter what you say.
If you call criticism as hatred then do tell us what we should term your blind faith in that dumbass.
11.) 14 Sep 2024 11:58:32
Great Post ua .
Hatred ?? some cultures use that word in a totally wrong context see it on here a lot. If you don't understand you don't understand.
12.) 14 Sep 2024 17:36:50
Ahmad. The manager of Manchester United should never be saying that we can’t compete for the highest honors, even if the chances of us actually doing so are incredibly slim.
No, I don’t expect him to come out and say “Yes. We’re going to win the league next season”, but I also don’t expect him to throw in the towel before a ball has even been kicked.
What kind of message does that send to the players or potential signings? What about the fans who spend thousands of pounds every year to come and watch the team play? There are a million and one ways he could have chosen to answer that question. Here are just a few:
“Right now we’re just focusing on our next game and finishing the season strongly. ”
“We have a talented group of players and a lot of young players coming through, so anything is possible. ”
“We still have four more league games left to play and a cup final to prepare for. After that, we’ll start to think about next season. ”
“Our main aim is to improve our performances on the pitch. If we can do that, we’re confident that next season will be better than this one. ”
I don’t think anybody would have batted an eyelid if he’d come out with one of these responses, but instead, we’re still talking about it four months later; yet another distraction that we really don’t need. Ten Haag zealots love to harp on about all of the terrible things that he’s had to deal with, but like most of those other issues, this one is very much of his own making.
27 Aug 2024 08:54:23
Ugarte done.
Think this has to go down as one of our most successful transfer windows in quite some time. I expect much of the focus will be on outgoing from here on out (Erickson, Sancho, Lindelof seem the most likely to move on), but am hoping there may be one or two more surprises in terms of incomings.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see us sign a GK, a LB, a CB, a ST, or even another midfielder (to be clear here, I mean one of these positions, not all of them) . Heck, if Sancho and Antony end up leaving, we'll probably need another wide player as well. No matter what we do over the coming days, I can see next summer being just as busy as this one.
1.) 27 Aug 2024 10:08:42
100% agree on it being one of the best transfer windows we've ever had. Obviously, it's all on paper just now and previous windows where we've got players like Mkhitaryan, Sancho, Ronaldo, Sanchez, Pogba and the many others who haven't hit the heights we'd hoped, looked very promising too.
Nevertheless, it looks like for the first time in a long time, we have moved on players we should be. We've made decisions that in previous years we likely wouldn't have. Trying to move Sancho, letting players like Varane, Martial, Van De Beek all leave for nothing or at a huge loss. Selling McTominay is another as very few fans would start him. We're even moving on younger players who may not break into the first team but seem to be structuring sell ones and buy back clauses into deals for them.
As for the signings, in my opinion they all make the squad stronger in areas we needed improvement and they're all 25 and under. If there are any others after Ugarte then brilliant, if not, I'll still be very happy despite the fact we do still have weaknesses in the squad. We can't expect everything to be fixed in one summer.
Will it work? No idea. However, it's good to see us moving away from what we've done in the transfer market across the last decade as we know that definitely hasn't worked.
2.) 27 Aug 2024 10:23:09
I actually can't remember a better transfer window for us.
We've managed to shift a load of players who either weren't contributing, weren't good enough, or had no long term future here.
We've also managed to bring in 5 players who either massively improve us right away, or have the potential to be huge improvements.
We have shaped the squad with more technical and intelligent players. We are starting to see an identity take shape with this squad.
Finally we have somehow managed to to all of this while also balancing the books, reducing the wage bill, raising funds through sales and not over paying for players.
If this window is anything to go on then I'm supremely confident that the new people in charge will be able to turn around our fortunes over the next few summer windows. Continuing to remove those who don't fit what we need, and being in players who suit the club's vision.
I'm not foolish enough to believe every signing will be a success, but I'm confident that we will get more right than wrong moving forward. While without overpaying for players both in fees and wages, when those few players do fail to meet expectations we should be more able to move them on fairly quickly and not be stuck with them for 4-5 years, or sell at a massive loss.
3.) 27 Aug 2024 11:00:11
Agreed great window imo although personally sad to see mc go.
There were many here who did not want Ineos and were skeptics but believe best thing that has happened to the club in a long time and glad Qatar did not get their hands on us. The layers of top people added and probably still more to come, the way they have walked the talk and working to a long term vision and ambition is commendable.
There are no trophies on offer in August, let us see where we are come April/ May before reacting to everything that does not go our way. Work in progress and we are building a great nucleus of a team. Keep the faith and trust the people running things even though its hard to do given everyone has scars from the woodward glazers years and many falls dawns.
4.) 27 Aug 2024 16:52:42
Great window. Best in many a year in terms of getting players out.
Look forward to the manager playing the new guys.
Still too many players on the books that played under ole.
I don't think the mentality will change till the rest are gone.
Dalot maguire lindelof Bruno Shaw and rash. I think only 1 of them and I hope none of them will be here when window shuts next summer.
5.) 27 Aug 2024 16:55:02
Ahmad, I did not want ineos. Not because I did not want what they are now delivering, but because I want the glazers out of our club. They have bought our club for nothing. Taken dividends, underdeveloped the infrastructure, run it more as a business instead if a football club, and saddled us with massive financial problems.
Ineos seem to be sorting out the playing squad, but it will be slow and steady. I agree that the focus on younger talent to develop and not galacticos is very promising, and I'm sure that it will get us back to a proper club eventually.
The problem is the glazers are still there. They are still sucking blood. How do we get them out? I would like to see that pathway.
We are talking about a new stadium now. More debt. Suppose it will be the snapdragon stadium or some such abomination.
6.) 27 Aug 2024 19:10:15
Dodgy, I don't know about you, but I could live with a new stadium being called Ineos Old Trafford for an extra £50 million a year to fund success on the pitch.
10 Aug 2024 16:08:29
Still not sure how I feel about replacing AWB with Masraoi, but I do think De Ligt will prove to be an excellent signing. With any luck, we can find suitors for Cas, Erickson, and McTominay next and then use the money to bring in Ugarte and Rabiot.
I'd be quite happy with that window, although getting rid of Maguire and Lindelof to fund a move for Branthwaite and selling Sancho to pay for De Jong would be the icing on the cake. Sadly, I fear the latter may be the Football Manager player in me speaking, but it's nice to imagine having four top tier CBs and six top tier central midfielders all the same.
1.) 10 Aug 2024 16:47:31
Hopefully someone will tell ETH that Ugarte once had a long weekend in Amsterdam.
2.) 10 Aug 2024 17:19:33
The full back will be 1st choice pretty quickly.
3.) 10 Aug 2024 17:36:32
Replacing AWB is a no brainer. He doesn't suit a progressive style of play and would leave for free next summer if not sold this year.
Whether Mazraoui is the right player to replace him I think is up for debate.
Stylistically he fits the bill, and he's got the ability. The real issue is his injury record, which is abysmal.
Yet if we are honest if a player (any player) is available for 15-20m then they will not be a top proven player with no potential issues.
To be available at that sort of price they are either unproven, injury prone, or a liability in some way.
Is it better to sign a player with a perfect injury record, a good stylistic fit, but has never played at the level we need?
Or a player who has a good injury record, has proven themselves at the right level, but stylistically they are a poor fit (isn't this AWB? ) .
Personally I feel like there has to be a better option out there, a compromise in a different way. Given our injury troubles I'm very reluctant to see us sign a player who is so frequently injured.
4.) 10 Aug 2024 17:42:45
Seems Casimiro is on lots of people's outgoings wish list. I hope he stays. He's better than last years showing.
5.) 10 Aug 2024 18:29:20
Seemed a bit trimmer today as well, Banjoe.
6.) 10 Aug 2024 18:31:44
Banjoe I agree mctom and ericksen should go before him.
But if a Saudi offer came in that didn't leave us too badly off and we can reinvest then I think that would be the best solution.
7.) 10 Aug 2024 18:50:17
I’m not necessarily against replacing AWB, I’m just not sure that Mazraoui is the man for the job.
And Banjoe. I agree that Cas still has some decent performances left in him (we saw that today), but given his age and wage, now’s probably the time to get rid. He’s only going to get worse from here, and with three years left on his contract, it’s difficult to see anybody wanting to take him off our hands after another year of decline. The ship may have already have sailed on that one, but if there’s any chance of moving him on this summer, I think we should take it, even if it’s at a huge loss.
8.) 10 Aug 2024 19:46:46
I thought Cas looked a lot trimmer than last season too and did well todsy all be it's a glorified friendly. Think Amad has to be a starter on the right.
9.) 10 Aug 2024 22:04:52
Cas looked skinny today. I'm guessing he's put a lot of work in pre season. It showed today, looked like his old self.
10.) 11 Aug 2024 00:35:14
Cas looked slimmer, but he still has a sloppy pass in him, can be rash in the tackle and is not positionally disiplined.
I did think today he played some great short passes in the final 3rd and if we didn't have bruno, him and Mainoo with a defensive special-ist behind them could be tasty.
08 Aug 2024 19:01:37
Happy to see DDG edging closer to a return to football, although a little surprised by the £60k/ week he's reportedly agreed with Fiorentina. I'd happily take him back on twice that amount, although after the way the club treated him at the end, I suspect there'd be very little chance of that happening.
1.) 08 Aug 2024 19:10:30
One of my fav Utd players along with Beckham and Ronaldo.
2.) 08 Aug 2024 19:58:10
Doesn't exactly need the money does he, supposed to be worth around £60m.
3.) 08 Aug 2024 20:03:46
Lovely place is Florence, and here’s another excuse to continue following Fiorentina.
4.) 08 Aug 2024 20:22:12
Makes you realize the club was being ran like a luni asylum 345k a week at united. out of work for a year and then 60k a week to a second tier Italian club. Good guy but not sorry to see him go. a lot of them enjoyed winning the lottery at united for too long.
5.) 08 Aug 2024 22:46:14
60k a week guys some very nice meals in Florence. Fair play to him.
6.) 09 Aug 2024 00:01:58
The way the club treated him! We seriously over paid him for several years, he was very well looked after in his job, I wish my job looked after me this badly. His mistreatment is what exactly.
United have been a joke for agents and players to string along for over a decade, he was never worth that much a week and I don't get the sentimentality ruling over smart business decisions.
7.) 09 Aug 2024 06:17:37
Oakbark. It’s not his fault that the club overpaid him. In fact, given how much players like Martial were earning, it could perhaps be argued that Dave’s wages were justified, what with him being our best player for four or five years on the spin.
Besides, I was referring more specifically to the club asking him to take a massive pay cut and then withdrawing their offer when he eventually agreed to it. I’m fairly certain that any one of us here would feel aggrieved if our boss told us that we’d need to slash our salary in order to remain employed after more than a decade of service, more so if they then turned around and said that they were getting rid regardless.
8.) 09 Aug 2024 06:20:54
Ahmad we can’t use salary as a stick to beat the players with. Every single person on this forum would accept 3 times their annual income in a heartbeat if it was offered to them. Why would a footballer do any different? The blame lies fully with the people signing the cheques. The same can be said for players who are not good enough. We know Maguire, AWB and Fred are not very good footballers, but Manchester United employees saw otherwise and decided to buy them. Crazy. But not the player’s fault.
28 Jul 2024 18:40:04
A bit of a bad news day for us really, what with both Yoro and Ito likely to be out for a few months. One wonders whether the latter will lead to Bayern rethinking their position on MDL at a point where our need for him has suddenly intensified.
1.) 28 Jul 2024 21:20:21
We shouldn't be in the situation of having a skinny 18 yr old kid from a foreign league as being our CH next season anyway. Hope they get back quickly.
2.) 29 Jul 2024 12:33:23
You could same the same about Mainoo in midfield or Garnacho on the wing.
Yet pretty much all of United's success has been built on the foundations of a group of young players coming into the side around the same time, growing and developing together into an elite team.
With Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho and Højlund we have a spine of exciting young players who all look like they have the ability to become world class players.
While there are some exciting young players in the academy who could also step into the side over the next few years. Harry Amass, Rhys Bennett, Toby Collyer, Ethan Williams, Shea Lacey, Ethan Wheatley, Jack and Tyler Fletcher and and Max Oyedele. Not all, maybe even none of them will reach the levels that Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho and Højlund might be capable of. But if 3 or 4 of them reach the level of O'Shea, Butt, Brown, Fletcher or Phil Neville then we will have a core group of lads at the club who can all contribute and have grown/ developed together.
We should embrace our identity as one of the few top clubs that create an environment to give youth the chances they need to flourish.
While we also need to be wary of not over playing them, football has changed a lot over the past 30 years, with more and more games packed it the schedule, with less recovery time along with the game being played at a more demanding physical level (faster and stronger, with more intensity) .
Barcelona (one of the other clubs that give youth a chance) have found that playing very young players consistently for 40-50 games a season while they are still growing and developing tends to lead to injuries. As seen with Ansu Fati, Gavi and Pedri in recent times. All were played consistently from the ages of 17 or 18. While they were also played in a less physical league.
So yes we do need to give these players games, and we also need to rely on them to an extent, otherwise there is no need to play them. Yet we still need a good supporting cast around them, and that is where the club needs to be smart with their recruitment. We need to bring in players who can carry the burden in the short to medium term while the youth players develop. Yet, that also needs to be balanced with making sure they aren't blocking off routes into the first team.
MdL for example is a very good player, ticks many boxes for what we need. Yet there are a few legitimate concerns with him. One being that he would only be willing to join on the basis that he is a guaranteed starter. Otherwise he might as well stay at Bayern, earning more money, playing UCL football and challenging for major honours. He also has hardly ever played on the left side of the CB pairing. Which would force the 18 year old Yoro to adapting his game to play on the left when Martinez isn't available. Not really ideal for Yoro's development.
The other big issue is that MdL has a mixed injury record. While that might open up chances for a player like Yoro, it also means that he is potentially having to play with Maguire or Lindelof if Martinez is also out injured. Neither are really suited to being that leader to help guide him through games, as neither can really manage their own game let alone support a young player alongside them.
MdL probably wouldn't be a bad signing, but it's nowhere near guaranteed that he'd be a good one. He could end up being the most highly paid player in the physio's room for half of every season, while displacing Yoro for the other half of it.
3.) 29 Jul 2024 12:34:59
Burren,
The skinny 18 year old is one of the best young defenders in the world, we could do without him being injured and I already can’t wait for him to be back.
30 Sep 2024 08:51:55
At least Ole tried to play entertaining football and got on well with the squad. He also had a good record against the big six, save for that 5-0 thumping at home against the scousers.
He probably isn’t the man for the job in the long-term (although let’s remember that he too had to deal with all of the same issues that the Ten Haag apologists are constantly bleating on about), but between him and Van Nistelrooy, I do think he could steady the ship between now and the end of the season.
The alternative seems to be rushing out and signing Southgate to a long-term deal, which I don’t think any of us want. Ole until the end of the season will give the new management structure time to scout and secure the right manager, which we haven’t had since SAF left.
29 Sep 2024 18:25:14
Enough is enough. Get rid of Ten Haag and bring Ole back until the end of the season.
27 Sep 2024 02:59:50
Hopefully not, Spenno. Given that the only reason they didn’t get rid of him in the summer was because they couldn’t get the person they wanted in to replace him, you’d like to think they’d have put a lower severance payout in his new contract. At the very least, it shouldn’t have gone up.
04 Sep 2024 17:55:06
We can but dream.
28 Aug 2024 18:34:57
In the current climate, Chiesa seems like a steal and would likely have been a solid signing for us with Sancho leaving.
In terms of replacements, I’m not really sure who I’d go for this late in the window. Under the previous administration we’d have probably moved for somebody like Kingsley Coman on loan, but he doesn’t really match what INEOS are looking to build.
08 Oct 2024 13:10:09
Ahmed. We’re currently sitting in 14th and finished last season in eighth. Under Ten Haag, we are mid-table team, whether you care to admit it or not.
08 Oct 2024 13:00:34
First home match was King Eric’s testimonial. First away match was a 1-1 draw at Villa Park.
07 Oct 2024 17:48:04
Ahmad. But we’re not a top 5 or 6 team. We’re mid-table at best. We have millions on the bench because we overpaid for them, not because of squad depth. Ten Haag has spent hundreds of millions of pounds and somehow managed to make our squad worse.
07 Oct 2024 17:37:38
This question assumes that we believed that Ten Haag was the right man for the job in the first place, which not all of us did.
To be clear, I’m not necessarily saying I was against his appointment (although I probably would have chosen Poch if it were up to me), more that I opted to reserve judgment to see what he could do. Sadly, Ten Haag never did enough to convince me that he has what it takes to take us back to the top. In fact, it had become pretty clear that he didn’t by February or March of his first season.
02 Oct 2024 16:25:29
DLIB. With each week that passes, that decision becomes a lot easier. Ten Haag is living on borrowed time and has been for some time now. He should have gone in the summer.