07 Jul 2015 09:09:13
It bugs me that folk are perplexed that LVG has not delivered on his promise of 'getting them in early before the tour'.
How many promises did he deliver on last season? Remember he promised fluid attacking football and that the players would understand 'the philosophy' in a couple of months? In fact did he not promise the title at one point?
So the moral of the story is don't get your knickers in a knot over a shameless liars false promises.
07 Jul 2015 09:42:57
Well, lvg doesn't do the negotiations.
07 Jul 2015 09:57:39
JMB - totally agree, it's like this cat has 99 lives when it comes to spinning the BS. We all 'want' to believe him but he is just winging it.
At the start he would at least come out after a game and tell the truth about the performances, then half way through the season he started seeing things that weren't happening because he was worried for his job. Desperate people say and do desperate things. Instead of working on his plans for his season I wouldn't be surprised if most of his time is spent working on pithy comments for his press conferences and the myriad of excuses that will be forthcoming.
These contracts for existing players should have been wrapped up months ago. We were competing for nothing and our time now could be spent negotiating the vital transfers we need and getting them in with the group preparing for what is going to be a very hard and long season. We were unfit and under prepared all season, we have more games next season and vital qualifiers early on - I'm very very concerned, we can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.
07 Jul 2015 10:23:55
Still banging on with your agenda I see JMB. Since when was the manager responsible for transfer negotiations?
At least come up with an arguement that if factually correct.
I was going to say that you Beast and the returning Kloot will make a nice little threesome. But for Christs sake don't tell Kloot where you are posting from. Fans from Cheshire get crucified , so someone in Australia thinking he knows it all?
Good luck 😊
07 Jul 2015 10:25:24
Oh , there we go. A post from Beast "agreeing with everything you say".
My my , what a surprise.
07 Jul 2015 10:39:33
I get the felling some here get more satisfaction is seeing us fail than succeed. Last season is over and new season and lots of optimism as far as I am concerned.
07 Jul 2015 10:41:38
Lol Betty
07 Jul 2015 10:47:40
Actually Betty I was referring to the fans who have constantly complained about the managers statement of getting the players in before pre-season.
Where did I state he handles the negotiations? The guy couldn't even handle a £57million player correctly so I have no doubt he is not anywhere near the negotiation table. All I am saying is why make a statement to the fans when you know it's not in your power to upheld?
As for where I am posting from, what difference does that make? I apologise for not wanting to live my only life in the dreary surroundings of Manchester but I fly thousands of miles and pay thousands of my hard earned dollars to see as many games live as possible during the season. I get up at unjustifiable times to watch our team (which screws up my days big time) and I have in the past paid out my arse for tickets to big games such as CL finals etc. I would class myself as more of a fan than a lot of Mancunians to be honest.
I also apologise on Beast's behalf for having his own opinion. I know guys like you don't like that.
07 Jul 2015 10:48:39
i sometimes wonder if beast and jmb are the same person.
BEAST how do you know we haven't been negotiating for VITAL TRANSFERS, this isn't football manager where you wrap up a player within a few days.
JMB - another typical post, whinging and moaning like a child who's had his toys taken away, the tour hasn't even started yet has it? so unless your magic crystal ball has told you we aren't signing anyone i think you should stop getting your knickers in a twist.
07 Jul 2015 11:11:01
SPB - I don't know who we have been negotiating for etc. BUT I do know that the manager needs a lot of time with player in order to get them on his wave length, he said he wants and expects business to be done early so we have a full pre-season. Has that happened? If PSG hadn't come in for Depay I bet we would still be "negotiating" that deal as well.
It's funny how JMB and I get this "same person" tag, yet we don't say "spb, IMBS and Betty could be the same person because they disagree with JMB", we just happen to hold similar views on a lot of the issues facing our club, I am sure there will be many things we have differences on, but at the moment JMB is one of the posters on here that call a spade a spade in my eyes.
GCU - All of us want to do well, but voicing our concerns doesn't mean we want them to happen, it just looks like we are plodding along and not learning from previous mistakes. Just like how LVG would say the team didn't perform well, then start the exact same team for the following game with the exact same negative format. Banging heads on brick walls.
07 Jul 2015 11:13:23
Oh - and since when is the "tour" the start of pre-season? Those goal posts move more than the BS coming out of LVG.
07 Jul 2015 11:18:49
Keep going JMB , you may even convince yourself one day. It is obvious for all to see what you were implying , so no point in back tracking.
As for where you live , you are missing the point. Seeing as you are the all knowing oracle on this site , I thought you would understand what I was referring to.
ie Kloots opinion on fans that live further than length of gnats knacker bag from Old Trafford.
07 Jul 2015 11:31:55
Spb is LVG your dad? You seem to stick up for him no matter what.
Are you and GDS the same person?
07 Jul 2015 11:57:51
Beast
I'm not even disagreeing with you completely. What's your deal?
07 Jul 2015 11:59:05
Betty you actually seen what you wanted to see and thought you would jump down my throat but if that's what makes you happy I am pleased to oblige. Betty I don't care for whomever Kloot is or his opinion on menial topics. I saw a post from him about LVG the other day which I agreed with but as you well know I probably will not agree with everything he says.
Beast - that's exactly right mate. At the moment we (among others) call a donkey as a donkey and others would call a donkey a stallion or a stallion a mare depending on how big the badwagon gets. Another valid point about the tour being the new preseason as well. It's just constant hypocrisy, quite funny actually.
07 Jul 2015 12:03:21
Even though I don't agree with Beast or JMB that often, this site would be a lot more boring without them.
07 Jul 2015 12:32:18
Because the manager negotiates transfer deals.
O no wait, that's Woodward and we all know he's useless.
07 Jul 2015 12:35:41
Back to the original point of bringing players in early.
Surely if we bring in darmian (who apparently we've agreed a fee for) and schneiderlin (who for all intents and purposes looks likely to move soon as well) along with depay then that seems like swift business to me
For me i'd think we would bring in 4/5 new players and to have signed one and close to two isn't too shabby.
07 Jul 2015 12:39:46
IMBS - I was just using you as an example as you had posted in the thread, could have been anybody. Actually your point is great because people tar with the same brush too easily. Apologies for any offence.
07 Jul 2015 13:03:54
Yeah JMB and Beast are the same person, either that or lovers. lol
07 Jul 2015 13:05:36
DSG - We suffered all season because of our CB issues, we play from the back and lack a leader back there. This is the most vital signing all summer, without the key organiser everything is stagnating.
Depay was only signed early because of PSG, why didn't we sign others early if that was the plan? Yes Woody is to blame, but LVG opens his trap and nothing but spin comes out.
07 Jul 2015 13:16:54
Beast
There is huge difference this year to last year as we have a settled squad that needs additions but they understand what LVG wants from them. Even if we started the season with predominantly players from last year i expect us to have a very good struts until the late arrivals can be bled in. I agree there is no excuses for a poor stet this year.
Our performance was great with Carrick in the team and we outplayed all the tope teams with the exception of the away win at Arsenal.
There is always a risk of missing out on high profile players and also the fact that it takes time to get them. Transfers between top clubs always take time.
Just for the sake of getting players early, no one will be happy if we went with option 3 because they are easier to get.
07 Jul 2015 13:30:20
JMB- he's not my dad i'm afraid, i just don't get all the slating, we understand you don't like the manager but how is it the manager's fault players are not signed yet?
you say he promised to get players in early, but he didn't say he WOULD DEFINITELY get them, he did say the club would TRY(theres a difference), so unless they are not trying at all to get any players then surely he has fulfilled his promise? "we will try get players in early"
beast - only depay has been bought but how is it the manager's fault that players have not been signed, your argument was that our time should have been spent on getting players in, but is it really that simple to say "lets go out and get this player, and that player"? especially as the season hadn't finished.
its not that simple it takes time, the window has been open 7 days and the usual doomers and gloomers ie you and jmb are already getting on the manager's back. when he has no control over the situation.(negotiations) but if i'm correct he did have a hand in getting depay otherwise he was off to psg,
the players have only been back 2 days, no ones knows what's going on regarding transfers, just because the manager said he wants to get players in early doesn't mean that is going to happen.
07 Jul 2015 13:31:01
Beast, i agree with you about the centre back and thought we would have signed hummels as soon as last season finished but it looks like he's happy to stay at dortmund or we have moved our interest on to others like otamendi (who has been at the copa america) and ramos(which has all the signs of a long running saga). Surely you can't blame lvg for either of those issues
And in terms of signing players early who is there out there that have been snapped up by other teams that were perceived targets for us
Only really clyne who we obviously didn't want and moved our interest elsewhere (most likely darmian)
07 Jul 2015 13:32:10
also to add JMB, i only stick up for the manager when he's getting slated for no reason, how can you blame the manager for the lack of transfer activity?
07 Jul 2015 13:38:40
Lol what's going on here then?
I'm pretty sure we aim to get our deals done early every year but it never happens. Its nothing new. Kloot used to blame it on the Glazer's trying to sell season tickets based on false promises.
07 Jul 2015 13:39:44
GCU - This season should be much better (could it be worse), but then if you switched the first 5 games with the last 5 games of last season there was no difference. We are about to add 5-6 players to the squad which is going to unsettle a lot, we may lose a keeper and we are going nowhere fast with the massive CB issue imo.
I agree we shouldn't just go for the easy option. But the reason we are struggling is that we overspent massively and now for any world class signing the seller is holding us over a barrel and the agent is expecting mega mega wages. We are suffering because of earlier mistakes. LVG should keep his trap shut and Woody needs replacing, too much damage.
If we replace Woody we can then make a big statement about not being held over a barrel anymore and it may mean we can actually sign top class players that our rivals would want rather than mid-level Italian teams.
The one thing LVG said is he needs players in early for pre-season - this hasn't happened. Getting his excuses lined up early if we start slow again or God forbid don't qualify for CL.
07 Jul 2015 14:03:51
preseason only started yesterday.
07 Jul 2015 14:25:08
That's the point SPB -
Boss - I would like you to be early for work today
Employee - Ok boss
Boss - Where were you, I specifically said I needed you in early?
Employee - I'm only a few minutes late
Boss - Fair enough, what I say doesn't matter!
Doesn't quite make sense does it.
07 Jul 2015 14:59:55
beast your way of subject now, how can you compare asking someone to be in early for work with million pound transfers?
it doesn't make sense when you suggest asking someone to come in early for work with making signings early.
07 Jul 2015 16:12:45
Yes it does. The manager says he wants and needs business done early, it hasn't been done for whatever reason, therefore the manager is weak and the people who are meant to be doing this job need replacing. Clients (us) are let down by incompetence.
All in all, we are being told one thing and another is happening time and time again if LVG can't deliver he needs to keep stum and kick off internally, not line up his excuses before a ball is kicked!