23 Feb 2015 15:09:54
We should expect good football simply on account of the players we have and the money that has been spent on them - we should expect to be competing with the best and certainly beating the weak convincingly.
Furthermore the facilities and infrastructure built to aid these superstars should ensure top efficiency in preparation and training so maximum performance in their ONE game of the week is delivered. We have the best stadium, support worldwide, heritage in England - the full class of 14/15 is not living up to it and in any industry the blame lands on the managers lap, he is not getting the best out of the players. It simply has to change with the manager first, 6-7 months zero progress and unbelievable advantages thrown his way in the summer due to the disappointment of his predecessor. We all acknowledge we need a shed load of problems fixing still, if anything we are weaker after 2 transfer windows so who knows if the summer will be any different?
Therefore the team and manager are not delivering. Do you think Phil Jones, ADM, Januzaj, (just random names) care about what we were like in the 80's or 90's? I think there are far too many excuses being made. SAF has gone Moyes has gone, half the players should be gone and LVG should go first - he is not flexible enough for the situation we are in.
This season has not been good enough, the performances are poor, the management has been atrocious from an outside perspective and the return on investment from the clubs perspective has been nothing short of what must have been going through the minds of an ENRON or WorldCom investor.
You can't sack all the players, so the solution is simple!
23 Feb 2015 16:01:32
so we get rid of LVG get a new manager in, who again changes all his staff, training regime, playing style ETC,
give the new manager 150 million to spend,
as well as all the new signings the new manager wants, plus the bedding in time for those set players not to mention our current players getting used to the above mentioned we are again back to square one.
there is no logic what so ever in getting rid of the manager.
23 Feb 2015 16:02:35
I think all united fans have been frustrated with the football this season. I agree that the money spent is absolutely not showing in the performances. But sack the manager? Surely that's just a knee-jerk reaction. Sacking a manager is what teams fighting for survival do. It usually will achieve a short-term goal and invigorate a team half way through a season to stay up. We need stability. It takes time for managers to implement a play style and adapt to a new team, a new league, a new country ect. Beast, I fully 100 million percent share your frustration with regards to the football this season, it has been nothing short of awful but managers need time. Unless Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp or Simeone are available we cannot sack Van Gaal. We need to trust him, he's won things everywhere he's been.
23 Feb 2015 16:34:34
Its the most logical things to do. Things can hardly get much worse, his methods are not being implemented properly, training is hardly benefiting our performances or fitness levels. Not sure exactly what we lose (aside from a bit of face) by sacking him. Burying our heads and hoping isn't what winners do, we need to be proactive or we turn into an also ran!
There seems to be no logic keeping somebody that consistently gets things wrong and hasn't improved us one jot since he took over.
Also - If I were a World Class talent I would look at Falcao, ADM, RVP, Mata, Kagawa even Herrera and think, no thanks Utd, I don't need all that money badly enough to deal with a drop in career and a loco manager!
23 Feb 2015 16:56:51
Changing both fullbacks whilst drawing / loosing the game was the final straw for me.
23 Feb 2015 17:28:21
Again beast it's your opinion that it's the most logical thing to do.
23 Feb 2015 17:46:15
Chris - Yet again I am countering a point from spb directly beneath my comment "there is no logic what so ever in getting rid of the manager".
Am I not allowed to refer to the same word as used to counter my point now?
23 Feb 2015 18:55:25
Of course u are mate I'm just being pedantic :)
I'm only having a giggle bud.
23 Feb 2015 18:56:28
so we sack him and that's 2 managers in 2 years sacked,
what manager is going to want to manager us when the likely hood is they will be sacked?
i don't see anything wrong with what lvg is doing.
we are 4th and its still in our own hands to secure 4th place.
23 Feb 2015 19:31:22
Beast - your statement "We should expect good football simply on account of the players we have and the money that has been spent on them" is somewhat confusing. Look back on the comments on here (pretty sure you have written or agreed with a lot of them) and if they are to be believed we have the following:
DeGea - our best player this year
Rafael - injured, too impulsive etc
Jones, Smalling, Evans - not good defenders, can't distribute the ball etc
Rojo - a relative success who can't pass and just lumps it forward
McNair & Shaw - two youngsters finding their way, showing potential
Mata - too lightweight for midfield, games pass him by, bit of a luxury
Blind - seen as as stop gap until we can get better
Valencia - can't defend, can't beat a man, can't cross
Carrick - slows the game up, no creativity
Fellaini - can only use his physical presence, not a Utd player
Rooney - past it, can't pass, can't run etc
RVP - past it, manager's favourite, not interested etc
I won't go into the other players but as these are views expressed on here regularly, please tell me how we should expect good football.
23 Feb 2015 21:28:30
Chris - No worries mate, I should chill, haha.
Keanooh - Yes, but ask me to go through and critique any other team aside from Chelsea & City and I will be even harsher. We have the 3rd best team in the league on paper, yet we play like we are mid-table or worse.
I am critical because we should be competing with the very best, our players are not good enough for that, but they are playing far worse than they are capable. hope that makes sense, off to the sack now!
23 Feb 2015 23:41:32
Playing like mid table?? Sure we've just dropped out the top 3. your views are 2 dimensional "play amazing football score lots of goals and win" there's about 18 teams in the prem that could benefit from your wisdom. all of a sudden we've bought di maria whos not even shown half the quality of the likes of tadic and falcao who is as prolific as shaun goater and we have the 3rd best squad in the league. really???? Guarantee you was calling for fergies head during mourinhos first tenure, probably said he was stubborn and past it? Probably criticised him for the keano staam n Beckham problems. you probably one of the ones who blamed him for last years squad. Try praising the improvement on last year with a not too dissimilar squad not to mention the experience we lost in giggs vida rio evra etc your criticism is like a cancer that eats away at the core of the club stop glory hunting and be glad of the fight for top 4 this season that wasnt there last year. its called growth.
24 Feb 2015 11:49:50
Praising the improvement on last year, there has been no improvement on last year!