27 Jan 2017 01:50:04
I may be in a minority here but I am falling out of the hype that is Marcus Rashford. Flash in the pans, half season wonder, call him whatever. He is a very selfish player. Another Danny Welbeck in the making. I am inclined towards Moon's viewpoint on this one. He still has a long way to go and hope he sets it right. You may be as fast as a cheetah but unless you do the right thing with the ball at your feet, you are just a waste of space on the pitch. His decision making is a total disaster sometimes. Over the past month or so I can point out at least 15 cases wherein he could have created an opportunity for a goal with a simple pass to a better placed player but no, he has to show off and do all by himself and loses the ball. There was a case even yesterday where he did the hard work and could have crossed to better placed Rooney or Zlatan but chose to do to himself and as always lost it. You can see Zlatan getting frustrated by him during the game. It's a matter of time before he too gets the cull like Martial or worse like Memphis.
PS- the value of that late Fellaini goal in the first leg. Great sub Jose.
{Ed001's Note - give him time mate he is just a kid trying too hard to impress. He is a much higher quality player than Welbeck was at the same age. Patience is key with youth development as they are always inconsistent as youngsters.}
27 Jan 2017 04:31:57
Agree that fans tend to overhype young players way too early which subsequently puts enormous pressure on them. That being said I think Rashford is the real deal and while he may not go on to be "world class" he should at least become a very good player. As most young players he does need to improve his decision making but that will come with more games under his belt.
He is direct and a good finisher, both qualities United's first team lacks right now. He has come on and changed games a few times this season and I think with his limited playing time he has done a good job despite not being as prolific in front of goal as last season.
27 Jan 2017 05:07:19
Point taken Ed. But at what cost? People want him playing and starting all games but has he contributed enough to warrant that treatment? I understand that we need to be patient with the lad but would it not be better if let's say we sent him out on loan for a season to a mid table team. I get frustrated to the point that I feel Lingard is a better player, a more team player than Rashford.
27 Jan 2017 05:29:55
You lost credibility when you compared him to welbeck my friend, he is an 18 year old striker, if zlatan ibrahimovic at 35 goes time to time for impossible shots rather than passing it to better positioned player, one can't blame an 18 year old for being selfish. He is a striker if he isn't selfish he can't really succeed. Welbeck was a bambi of ice, Rashford has pace a bit of trickery and is a decent finisher, barring pace welbeck had nothing else and his finishing was as atrocious as it comes.
{Ed025's Note - thats a bit harsh on danny CSM..
27 Jan 2017 05:50:44
Wow, perhaps we should sell him then? I think he has huge potential and needs a run of games, his pace terrifies defenders, the issue last night was he was too quick for his team mates half the time.
He's also well grounded, works hard, and by all accounts has a great attitude. I'm struggling to understand why you have posted this. He's a young player who only broke through (spectacularly) last year and is now in and out of the team (mainly out) . I think he will be a special player in a few years
27 Jan 2017 07:52:00
I said this would happen when he was so good last year, he was never going to keep up that form as he is a young kid but we all know he has the ability to score big goals in big games and hopefully that will lead him to become a top top player in years to come. He's a young kid, in all honesty Shan this post is a total knee jerk reaction and like AJH I can't really work out why you have posted it.
By the way, I thought Rashford was our best player last night, had that full back beat every time he got the ball, people like beast are asking for us to be entertaining and last night Rashford was the only one that tries to be, gets you off your seat when he runs at people, I have no problem with his development at all, he just set his bar too high last season and people need to realise he's still a young kid learning the ropes.
27 Jan 2017 07:58:48
At least he actually takes on his full back, most of our wingers are too apprehensive to even give it a try.
Also didn't see what was so selfish about his performance yesterday, he tracked back well, was the only forward who looked like he was going to make things happen.
27 Jan 2017 08:04:18
I agree that he is a good player and may turn out to be special in a few years time but what about now. I am not comparing him to a Zlatan or a Rooney but then you also heard the comments of Jose regarding no special treatment to Martial. If he doesn't improve his decision making, he may be out of the team very soon. He has played a lot of games this season and has been a waste in quite a few of them because he messes up good opportunities.
CSM, a striker needs to be selfish in front of goal not everywhere on the pitch. Rashford tries to do too much on his own when a non football fan clearly sees that there is no chance of success. That's my whole frustration with his game right now.
27 Jan 2017 08:13:02
Patience and more time.
This guy is in a different class to Welbeck.
I don't want to compare him to ronaldo but I remember him at 18/ 19, we were all saying the same thing. But at this age, only 1 year in the full squad, he needs and arm around the shoulder and his talent watched over.
I think he could be a world beater.
27 Jan 2017 08:54:43
Personally, I thought he was our most dangerous player last night. Gave both their full backs a torrid time. If Meyler had been booked in the first half (for the challenge similar to jones') it would have made for an interesting duel between the two of them.
and to add to that, does anyone else think Jon Moss looks massive? There's no way he's fit enough to be reffing at the top level. Might be the reason for some of his dodgy decisions.
27 Jan 2017 08:55:49
he is a striker playing on the wing .
what did he do last season that was special, score goals .
he beats a man now, makes a good run he is looking at the corner post last season he was looking at the GK.
his best attribute imo was his finishing and movement but he is tied to the touchline at the moment
27 Jan 2017 06:35:32
Ed, you are on the wrong page mate. This is the Manchester United page. We don't do "give it time". We want it all, and we want it NOW.
We are Manchester United, and we demand instant success.
After a few weeks of positivity, the hysteria has returned - and with a vengeance. It's all getting a bit silly really.
{Ed001's Note - it is shocking how much all the pages change the second there is a performance that isn't perfect. The lad is just a child still, does no one here remember how much flak Ronaldo used to take over his play in his first few years? He was considered (rightly so most of the time to be fair) as nothing more than a greedy show pony, but he was given time and developed his game to become one of the best players ever. To be fair it isn't a recent thing though, after Ian Rush had failed to score in his first three years at Liverpool, he was labelled a flop. Another youngster that the management stood behind and reaped rewards from doing so. At this age players are learning and need to be backed for the potential they have, not the actual performances they display.}
27 Jan 2017 09:05:29
To me he looks like a player who will have a very good career playing at the to level.
I remember RVN getting hugely frustrated by a young Ronaldo also.
I'm not sure he will hit the heights of the likes of zlatan rooney or RVN as it's way to early to tell. But by all accounts he works hard and looks after himself so that bodes well for his future. His on field decision making will improve with maturity and experience I can't remember too many players that were the finished article at 19. Also including his youth manager he is on his 3rd manager and coaching set up in 9 months. I still have high hopes for him.
27 Jan 2017 09:19:44
or is he a winger who has been played as a striker jred? ;)
27 Jan 2017 09:51:33
As I said, in a minority. This is not a knee jerk reaction and you will realise if you see my posts over the past couple of months. I have pointed this out two to three times before. Anyways, cheers guys. I am yet to be convinced with Rashford and I will wait and watch on this one. I am not saying sell him and i agree that he needs time but he too needs to be careful . We have had too many world beaters that have never reached their full potential, the likes of Morrison, welbeck, cleverley, Memphis, januzaj amongst several others.
27 Jan 2017 09:53:40
He hasn't played a lot of games, I've been banging on about this all year, I want him in the team. Unfortunately whilst Ibra is around he isn't going to get to play up front
27 Jan 2017 10:00:51
Rashford is a kid who doesn't hide on the pitch, I think if I won a competition to take a penalty at half time in front of 76,000 I would wet myself on the run up. He needs to run at defenders and from a more central position t get the best out of him although anywhere across the front 3 he is a danger. Its the kids 2nd season, I imagine he looks at TV at home at every game he plays in and isn't 100% happy this season which brings pressure in itself as it would in any human being.
I would play him at the weekend more centrally for 45 minutes as he is a great threat. in 12 months time we can see where he is in his development
27 Jan 2017 10:06:44
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no he looks more like a striker did you not see him play there last season.
27 Jan 2017 10:47:09
He is a converted winger. He played most of his youth football on The wings. I have to say he looks better as a striker to me. He is a decent finisher and doesn't lack composure in front of goal. I'd be a lot more confidant of Rashford being a long term success than a couple of our other young players. And I set that success coming as a striker.
I could name 9 players last night that performed worse or definitely no better than rashford last night.
27 Jan 2017 11:01:26
ashley cole was a striker in his youth football days far better lb tho .
rash played on the wing and behind the striker as a kid n butt thinks he could make a good 10, i'm not so sure about that .
but he looks a far better striker than a winger imo same goes for martial .
2 strikes playing wide
27 Jan 2017 11:31:05
I agree on Rashford but not martial. Martial lacks composure in front of goal at times and does not look a natural finisher imo. He also looks less comfortable with his back to goal. He is very young so can work on these areas but I don't see the same potential for martial to be as good a striker as Rashford.
I'm not knocking martial ability just think he is better coming from a wide area. He could well develop into a striker in time but for me through the middle Rashford looks more comfortable than martial
27 Jan 2017 11:50:56
Good post about martial Ken. Agree completely with that assessment.
27 Jan 2017 11:59:52
You probably said the same about Ronaldo and look what happened there.
There's so much pressure on these kids, and expecting a 10 every game is far too much.
Rashford is 19. Did you do your job perfectly at that age?
{Ed007's Note - Had you been practicing or training for your job for well over 10 years by the time you were 19? Rashford has been at Utd since he was 7 - that's 12 years.}
27 Jan 2017 12:24:00
more than one player can be a striker i don't see what rashford or any other striker has to done with martial best position .
martial has played out wide all season and been average to be honest .
last season his best games where as a striker and his form tailed off when he was pushed out wide.
his form at monaco improved once he was given a central role.
his finishing looked great last season finished the season top scorer, but his whole game has dropped this season not just his finishing .
looks a potential great striker not sure he looks a great winger.
27 Jan 2017 12:33:52
missed of .
his finishing is a lot better than his crossing .
bags of talent and only 21 got a bit of henry about him and like him looks a better player whe doing the business down the middle not the touchline.
27 Jan 2017 11:50:03
God forbid you try to have a joke on this page jred.
I was only alluding to his youth days when he was always played as a winger and only last season was converted into a striker. Obviously went right over your head again jred.
I agree ed001, in fact I gave the exact same comparison to ronaldos younger years. Rashford needs to be backed and not slated here on the site. Incredible stuff really.
27 Jan 2017 12:57:02
By that logic ed007 u must have scored the highest possible in school final year exams whatever they are in Britain, given one must spend 10 or so years studying before appearing for those.
{Ed007's Note - Obviously you didn't do too well at school. If you want to compare being a footballer to a normal job - as Wazza did - then you have to consider the length of time people would have been doing the job by the time they're 19, it's really not that difficult.
By the time they reach 19 most people would have been doing their job for 3 years at most whereas the majority of professional footballers are at clubs for years before they're 19.}
27 Jan 2017 13:13:14
So u are saying because someone played u9 through to u21 he should be brilliant at the highest levels, but then you don't agree when i ask you the same about your schooling. i mean if kicking the ball for 10 years through a young age means one should be great by now same goes for studying, we do that from a young age too don't we. And i didn't compare football with a normal job.
{Ed007's Note - Wazza did, read it back.}
27 Jan 2017 13:23:31
Nothing wrong with his comparison either ed007, Rashford is in his 2nd year as a first team footballer, and as u said most people are working for 3 years atmost not exactly incomprehensible to compare 2 years in to a job with 3 years into a job is it, by the way u still haven't answered my first question.
{Ed007's Note - So Rashford only started playing football and being trained by Utd when he was 16? Ok, got you.}
27 Jan 2017 13:27:47
So u are saying playing u18 and epl is the same thing, can't argue with that great logic ed.
{Ed007's Note - You're hallucinating now and seeing things that aren't even there.}
27 Jan 2017 13:38:33
Ed007's Note - Had you been practicing or training for your job for well over 10 years by the time you were 19? Rashford has been at Utd since he was 7 - that's 12 years.
Thats sounds a lot like saying if one has been playing since u7's he must be brilliant every single time once he starts playing first team, which in a way means playing u18 means one must be brilliant in first team. And you still haven't answered my first question about your school grades ed given that was my comparison not jobs.
{Ed007's Note - I have no idea what you're on about now. Rashford has been training to be a professional footballer since he was 7 - most people only start training for their job at 16. Even you're not that much of a moron you can't understand that?}
27 Jan 2017 13:46:23
007 - School and the real world are very different things. You can't be so naive as to think that experience doesn't impact your decision making as you get older, bioth at work and in every day life. Experience brings withit knowing what to do in the situation of a split-second decision, whether that's kicking a football or driving a car.
{Ed007's Note - So now you're on about schools, it was you that compared a normal job to a footballer so make up your mind.
'Rashford is 19. Did you do your job perfectly at that age?'
You agree you said that?
Rashford - training to be a footballer since he was 7.
Normal dudes - training in their job since 16, maybe 18.
You can't compare being a footballer to a normal job. What if a girl has been working on a supermarket checkout since she was 16 - I bet there's a good chance she could do her job perfectly.}
27 Jan 2017 13:52:57
I don't get how you can compare the two to be honest!
{Ed007's Note - That's exactly my point, Angel, thank God.}
27 Jan 2017 14:04:07
007 - It was Rashford's decision making which was in question, and I was merely pointing out that decision making comes with experience, which I touched on again in my reply.
I don't know why people expect miracles form 19 year old kids, it's something the media has done for decades which we all used to see and disagree with but over time it has spread to fans and become a culture. There's so much on the line now that a youngster learning his trade can be strung up by the b***s for wasting a few passes, by inpatient fans who feel they are owed something.
{Ed007's Note - You don't make many stray passes on FIFA do you? ;-) Modern fans are all the same mate, the GK should save every shot, defenders must win every tackle etc.
There's an old saying that you're only as good as your last game, well that's changed to your only as good as your last touch.}
27 Jan 2017 14:13:43
We are getting completely off topic ed, expecting a footballer to be at his best at 19 as he has been playing for many earlier years is stupid.
And about whole school job thing, if training for a job is the criteria most people go to school and college to get a job, so if their job has anything to do with their education then they too have been training for their job for those school and college years, so shouldn't that count as training too.
{Ed007's Note -
27 Jan 2017 14:16:41
So u agree with me and wazza about rashford being judged harshly for no reason, please tell me why are we arguing then🤔
{Ed007's Note - Because you don't have a clue what you're talking about would be my guess :-D All I said to Wazza was you can't compare a professional footballer's competence at 19 with someone in a normal job at the same age. Rashford has received training and coaching from professional guys at the top end of their jobs since he was 7, normal people don't start training in their job until they are 16.
That's facts, it was you that complicated things.}
27 Jan 2017 14:30:49
common_sense moyes I had absolutely no idea we were arguing, I thought we were both having separate conversations with 007 😂
{Ed007's Note - confused.com lol
27 Jan 2017 14:45:59
Love having you back bond 😂😂😂
{Ed007's Note - Aw shucks, thanks.}
27 Jan 2017 18:04:32
That confused the pure rubbish out of me :)