30 Aug 2016 11:15:45
Hi ed001
I saw a great question and reply on the Liverpool page on your rating of some of the managers in the EPL can you copy and paste onto this page add I'm sure some don't like venturing over to the dark side😀😀
Thanks.
Can't say I agree with all of it but some really good points and insights.
{Ed001's Note - just because it is you kenneth:
Hi Ed001
If you have the time.
I would love to get your opinion on the top Elp managers. Take away the money at each club, how would you rate them in terms of tatical knowledge, man management and improving players. Rate Klopp, Wenger, Pep, Jose, Conte, Potch, koeman.
Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - that is really difficult. I will try. I think Ranieri deserves to be in there too.
Klopp is a builder. He builds a side, but it takes time. It is not an over night thing. He looks for players that can be developed into top players, rather than ready made stars. Tactically he is not the best, far from the worst, but he is too intent on entertaining the fans (which I personally prefer) to get involved in just tactically breaking down the opposition, in the way Jose and Conte look to do. He wants to put a team out to nullify the opposition by not giving them time and space to play their game. I love how he wants it to be a team, not just a team of players, but a team of players and fans all pulling in the same direction.
Wenger was light years ahead of everyone when he came in to the Prem. He was using the latest scientific techniques etc, while everyone else was still in the 70s and 80s. Trouble is, he hasn't kept up with the pace of development and so he is no longer ahead of the rest, in many cases he is behind. Still, he has performed a minor miracle to keep Arsenal consistently top four over the last few years. Tactically he went stale, too many similar players in his teams with little variation to the play, now he has got carried away buying powerful players in every window! It is like he is collecting, for a few years it was attacking midfielders, now he has got bored so started collecting defensive midfielders. As for improving players, he is too loyal to the wrong ones, the likes of Wilshire and Diaby, like an over-indulgent parent, so the ones that could have been developed end up stagnating. A really nice guy, highly intelligent, but, in my opinion, he just got a little too stuck in a rut there and needed this summer of investment to revitalise him.
Guardiola is the hardest to judge, had a team so much better than the rest at Barca initially, by the team he left they were barely a match for the two Madrid sides. It is arguable whether that was down to him or the clash of egos he had with Messi which led to him leaving. However, what is not arguable is that he took over the best side in Europe, when he went to Bayern, playing the best football, and turned them into a borefest to watch and oversaw them diminish as a power in Europe. Again though, it is arguable whether that was down to him or the improvement elsewhere, personally I think he is just obscenely overrated, but this is where we will really find out. He has taken over a mainly average Man City side, spent ridiculous amounts of money on mainly average players, but he will be expected, at a bare minimum, to win league titles. I know people are getting all excited over the system he is playing, but I fail to see anything special about it. It is far too complicated for my liking, with little need of those complications, that is why his teams get worse over time, in my opinion. He overcomplicates everything, and that leads to mistakes. He is just lucky that he had the best players, so his team's mistakes were less likely to get punished. Has his coaching ever really improved anyone? I am not so sure. The next few season's we will really get to see. It is all very well saying Messi got better, but was that down to Pep or Messi? The fringe players never improved under him, that is for sure.
Mourinho is a short term winner at the expense of the long term future. He is always intent on winning, but there is no plan for the future of the team he is at. Tactically he is excellent, in that he will set his teams out with a plan to stifle the opposition and it is usually a successful plan. He is far too negative and relies too much on power and play acting/diving/cheating for my liking. His attitude is to win at all costs, with no compunction at all about bending or breaking the rules. Everyone treats his hiding in the clothes basket while at Chelsea as funny, for me it just highlights how little respect he has for the rules of the game or his opponents. I find him and his attitude distasteful. He has shown no interest in developing players, so it is impossible to judge, he does get more out of the players he has than most, but he never looks to bring on youngsters and develop them. He will have to do that now, so it will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Conte is not my kind of manager at all. Tactically limited, his Juve side struggled badly in Europe against any kind of quality. He is more of a firefighter. Someone to come in, steady the ship, get it moving the right way and then move him aside for someone to actually take the club on. Developing players is something that is difficult to judge him on, he really has not had to do that.
Pochettino is a decent enough manager, but he has not shown me anything to think he has the makings of a winner. He is very limited tactically, though his tactic is well drilled and works well usually, he very rarely, if ever looks to vary it. Developing players is difficult to judge him on too, he started off well at Saints, but then looked to buy players, rather than trust youngsters. He is doing a similar thing at Spurs, looking to bring in players, rather than attempt to develop the youngsters there. His dependence on physical prowess over quality on the ball is a hindrance to his team as well.
Koeman had struggled, since leaving the Eredivisie, then went into a good Southampton set up and took it on a level. He is decent tactically, but no more than decent and gets caught out by opponents far too often for my liking. Without the strong set up he inherited at Saints, it will be interesting to see how he does. He will certainly be given the tools to succeed, as Steve Walsh will find him the players. It is up to him to get it right on the pitch. I don't expect him to look to develop youngsters much either, he also looked to buy rather than develop within when he could.
Ranieri is a pure man manager, who looks to get the absolute maximum from his players by setting up his tactics to suit them and concentrating on building a team spirit second to none. He keeps things simple, he plays to his strengths and I love that about him.
30 Aug 2016 11:52:58
Cracking read ed and I must say I agree with literally everything you said.
I agree on mourihno as a person I am not a fan but he is a serial winner and we needed to get back to winning sharpish so he was the right choice imo.
As far as the messiah goes I honestly cannot see the fuss about him for me he is just van gaal who has had great players he over complicates the game to the point of ridiculous and regardless of what every press agency/ pundit thinks I reckon he will struggle this season .
30 Aug 2016 12:04:40
Your all heart 001😀 Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - I know mate, that's why you love me and constantly spam my inbox with love notes each day.....}
30 Aug 2016 12:52:44
My thoughts on Pep 100%, said a while back that I really don't see his time at City being any better than it was under Pellegrini. They'll win a few things but it won't be anything major. I dislike Jose as a person too hugely, and have said previously that it will definitely end in problems, but hopefully a few trophies first will soften the divorce slightly. I would have taken Jose over Pep though if given a choice.
30 Aug 2016 12:57:49
Top post ed. There's some good stuff over on the scouse page. Agree on pep 1000% so over rated.
30 Aug 2016 13:12:34
Spot on brendan.
30 Aug 2016 13:15:04
One could say the same thing about Fergie in his later years when there was an abject failure to bring through any new quality players. Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Gary Neville etc - none were replaced like for like. Perhaps it says more about the league than the manager that the pressure to win this and every year, seems not just a requirement but also very seductive. Only teams where winning a championship is a pipedream can afford to build a team slowly.
If there's one thing that Leicester's success last year illustrates it's that consistency is a major plus. Chopping and changing to give all the players a go leads to the opposite, as do injuries. Rafa Benitez found that out at Liverpool, and was much derided by his own supporters as well as the press.
To some extent then, the criticism of Mourinho with regard to not bringing young players through is fair but also as much to do with the financial stakes of the modern game as it is with the manager himself. We will see how he does at United. It looks like the club has a raft of good young players and the ingredients for consistency and timely replacement could be in place for a very competitive decade - plus, of course, the money. I have a feeling Jose wants to stay at United for the long haul and that he is setting his stall out accordingly.
30 Aug 2016 12:22:05
You're moving up the ranks ed001. You're now my 23rd favorite ed.
{Ed001's Note - that's good, out of 12 I have come 23rd, I really have moved up in the world.}
30 Aug 2016 13:25:58
Ed good read hard to argue with any of it. but you forgot to mention the big sam. Big sam the best manager to grace the epl. the great escape artist. tactical genius kick it up to the big man.
{Ed001's Note - he talks himself up enough to have no need of my input mate. Remember this is the guy who would have won everything, including the Bundeslia, Premier League and Serie A, if he had been managing Real Madrid. It must be true because he said so.}
30 Aug 2016 14:52:57
Ed001 of the managers listed who do you think is the best if there is such a thing? Also are there any better managers out there in your opinion?
{Ed001's Note - as I was saying on the Liverpool site, it really depends on which club they are with. Conte is perfect for Chelsea right now, as is Jose for Man Utd and Klopp for Liverpool. Doesn't mean they would be the best elsewhere. Allegri has impressed me, but for me, the best is Bielsa. The best coach that is. Certainly not the best manager though.}
30 Aug 2016 15:22:31
Ps Mourinho is not the messiah he is just a naughty boy!
30 Aug 2016 15:42:37
Ed, I'd say Pochettinos problem is his transfer dealings! He's good at integrating youth team players with the 1st team but his knowledge and experience of the market seems to be very limited with his transfer buys. I've not seen him go for a player who is established enough as a 1st team player other than Wanyama, rather a squad rotator. You've gone on like Pochettinos stopped believing in youth and started spending big bucks, when at both Spurs and Saints he hasn't actually had many big signings. He's bought Wanyama twice, Jansen and that other lad Son from the bundeslinga last season. Then Sours themselves have shelved out money on young signings due to the lack of players being able to come through there reserves. What he does do, is get players to gel. Whatever there age. He seems to be able to find a balance for a young team to be able to play with such confidence at a very high level in the most competitive league in the world. Spurs last season had the lowest average age! And yes they blew it in the end to come third but what Pochettinos did with that very young Spurs team was beyond impressive. Obviously not as impressive as Ranieri!
30 Aug 2016 15:32:17
Ed super good information.
Which manager do you think will steer their team to the title this season and why so pls?
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{Ed001's Note - I think it is probably between the Manchester clubs to be honest. Jose is a winner and had a huge budget. Pep always starts well and has Aguero plus a monstrous budget. If Aguero stays fit, they will be difficult to stop.}
30 Aug 2016 15:46:32
Also Ed, do you not rate Simeone? For me he is absolutely outstanding with what he does on the budget he's on against the 2 massive powerhouses! Best defensive team in Europe, with the best defensive coach! And probably best CB in Godin too!
{Ed001's Note - sorry I meant to put him in as well as Allegri and Bielsa. They were the 3 I chose when asked a similar question on the Liverpool site. It was an oversight on my part that I missed him out this time.}
30 Aug 2016 16:11:25
Just to push it one step further ed do you see any emerging managerial talent in the next crop. UK based? Mark Warburton has caught my eye. Great job at Brentford doing ok at rangers.
30 Aug 2016 18:30:46
when it comes to English managers who are over looked, Chris Hughton for me is a very very good manager! An Underdog, who's always in a running wirh his own style and brand of attractive football! The clubs he's been at, have never fully backed him but now he's at Brighton who do back him but don't have the necessary funds to back him as much as some of the other Championship clubs could!
30 Aug 2016 23:22:47
Re Hughton IMO very average coach. Had Norwich in the Premier league in a relatively stable position then totally lost the plot and the players and they were relegated. Too typical example of how British clubs select ex players who have not been properly trained to be managers nor naturally savvy enough. Only manager I would take a punt on is Sean Dyche. Appears to be realistic knows the game inside out has passion and twice brought a vert limited Burnley to the highest English league and plays nice football.
30 Aug 2016 23:38:06
HI Ed001,
Who would you say is the best manager and if Fergie was still a manager today, I would like to get your Thoughts on him?
{Ed001's Note - Simeone gets the absolute most from the resources he has to hand, so it would have to be him. Though Bielsa is without a doubt (as Simeone, Pep etc will all attest) the best coach in the world right now.
As for Fergie, it is hard to say, the world has changed, what made him successful in his era would not work now. He would not have had the financial edge in his favour at Aberdeen he had when he was there, due to the North Sea money, so he probably would have never reached the same heights. Having said that, he did show an ability to adapt throughout his career so maybe he could have coped, it is difficult to see him having anything like the same success though. he clearly struggled to dominate in the same manner once the money came into other clubs and he no longer had the advantage of more money to spend than everyone else. Give him charge of Man Utd now and I am sure he would still win things, just not dominate the way he was able to. Sad thing is, in modern football, he would never have got the chance to get the job or to survive long enough to win things.}
31 Aug 2016 07:48:54
No Ancelloti then ha ed001?
{Ed001's Note - I like Ancelotti, but he has not picked up as many league trophies as he should have, really, considering the quality of the teams he has managed.}
31 Aug 2016 07:58:07
Also ed any new and upcoming managers you like.
I really like the looks of Roger Schmidt of Leverkusen.
Thanks ed1.
{Ed001's Note - apart from him, I can't think of anyone to be honest. They either seem to be ridiculously overhyped without actually achieving anything (Eddie Howe), or just concentrate on boring the pants off everyone and then whining they don't get loads of credit for it, despite getting ridiculous amounts of coverage (Sean Dyche). I haven't really seen anyone that has really stood out, they always seem to have glaring weaknesses when tested, such as Tuchel.}
31 Aug 2016 08:15:11
what weakness in Tuchel ed? Only saw him last year and did a good job didn't he getting dortmund back to top of the table and getting best out of his players.
{Ed001's Note - he got his arse handed to him against Liverpool. His team folded completely and he had no idea what to do. He just looked a little boy lost.}
31 Aug 2016 08:28:57
Last question ed1 why does ed2 not like Klopp?
{Ed001's Note - no idea.}
31 Aug 2016 09:48:07
This is why I love Ed001 the most :D.
{Ed001's Note - awww thank you zaid! I am blushing here. Though it might just be a fever as I have been suffering with man flu over the last few days....}
31 Aug 2016 14:24:50
Hereford, I was always under the impression Norwich didn't back Hughton fully and he never had the funds to improve on what he had. Same as Newcastle and QPR, but everywhere he's gone, he's left a good impression, you don't do that by being a mediocre manager!