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08 Apr 2016 10:03:03
With a lot of young players in our team already then the links to young players coming in also I'm hoping we're targeting a sprinkling of experience thru our spine.
Not sure how much has changed with targets but Stones, Hummels, Kroos, Bazoer, Sanches look like they're strongly linked, I can't even think of a keeper to replace DDG and then do you add another striker like Dembele or Wilson who is already there or go with a more experienced head, personally prefer to see Martial as our number 9 but then does that mean we need another LW too (Mane) lots of work to be done still on our squad I suspect not only with incomings but what do you do with the likes of Jones, Rojo, Young, Valencia, Januzaj, Fellaini, Bastian, Carrick. That's a big upheaval still in my eyes.

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08 Apr 2016 10:29:46
I was one about this with old man Mad Matter yesterday. The players you have suggested should be sold, were very similar to the ones I chose. Perhaps keep basti for his experience unless we get a decent offer. For years we haven't properly addressed our problematic areas. The squad still looks like a patchwork quilt.

The main focus needs to be the defence. I'm a firm believer that the best teams must have a solid defence. X 2CBs for me in the summer and allow Jones and Rojo to leave. Shaw and CBJ at lb and Darmian and Varela at rb. Fosu Mensah being promoted and allow Blind to move back to midfield.

My choice of CBs would be Varane. I rate him highly and he is a mixture of Rio and Vidic. The Hummells boat sailed long ago. I've always liked Boateng but u can't see him leaving Bayern. I don't know a lot about Marquinhos and Stones looks good but is far from the finished article. He needs a solid experienced CB to play alongside him.

Fellaini, Valencia, Carrick can leave for me. Schweinsteiger will more than likely stay for another year.
Mata needs to hit the gym and build his strength up.

Ibra wants far too much money if the reports are to believed. Ligue 1 isn't the most challenging league. Would he score 20 goals plus a season? I'm not sure.

Ronaldo, love the guy but nearly 32 and still class but not worth spending half our budget on.

Our biggest worry should be who will replace DDG. I think he will be at RM and ED002 confirmed this sometime ago.

08 Apr 2016 10:39:52
Yes forgot about Varane, I like him, he seems to have stagnated at Real and a move away could rejuvenate him.
I agree on promoting Fosu Mensah, unsure really where his best position is but seems versatile which is good and is also a god trait in Daley Blind, every team needs a utility player. Your right tho we need to build from defence and 2x is what's needed for me too.
I like Morgan and Ander but then I think we miss a dynamic and energetic presence in their too so hopefully we get that adressed.
Up top is a tough one, don't want to stunt Rashford or Martial growth but a lack of experience up there apart from Wayne.
I literally can't think of a keeper we're even linked with, let alone a top drawer one which we will need. This summer will be a tough one too with City, Chelsea and ourselves all looking at centre backs.

08 Apr 2016 10:42:49
Lukaku and a centre back for me. Read today that everton want 65 mil for lukaku and i think we should pay it. He has been the best centre forward in the league this season and guarantees goals.

08 Apr 2016 11:19:53
I think we are all in agreement on outgoings: Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Fellaini are the four I would start with. You could add to that list McNair, Carrick and Young who don't have a future I don't think. Maybe even Januzaj who has stalled so much he is now bang average.

I wold keep Bastian, he has so much experience and has played well in certain games for us.

As I have said time and time again, the only players worthy of a start guaranteed are De Gea, Shaw, Schneiderlin and Martial. That means 7 places are up for grabs (one probably has Rooney on it) .

We need a centre back - I'd take Stones for sure, he may be a bit raw but under the right manager he would be the world's best within 2 years. For noe, perhaps stick with Smalling. I really do like Toprak though, Leverkusen Captain, commanding centre back, no nonsense and a decent age around 26 I believe.

I think that we will see another CM coming in, looks likely to be Renato Sanches with interest also in Bazoer. I'd look at Gomes too if Herrera leaves. The right wing is a big area to work on, I'd look at Bernardo Silva as a player who comes in off the line and really has a go at running people - could work well with Darmian/ Varela keeping the width. Lastly upfront I'd like to see Ibrahimovic here, but don't think it will happen. Instead, big money for Lukaku would be fine but the main target should be Kane - put £60 million in front of Levy and I bet he would take it.

08 Apr 2016 12:04:58
There is no way Levy will sell Kane for less than 90m and only to Real or Barcelona and even then I can't see him going he is Mr Tottenham we will sign Lukakau for the forward position. I am shore a huge investment will be made this summer maybe biggest in our history I also think Hummeles will sign and Xhaka and Griezmann providing we get champions league.

08 Apr 2016 15:15:05
Lukaku is highly overrated.

08 Apr 2016 15:39:06
Given how much we have spent in recent years it's embarrassing how poor our squad is.

Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Jones, Rooney, Carrick, Januzaj, Powell, Lingard and Bastian should all be shipped out in the summer and I expect DDG is as good as gone (Mata too if JM takes the job) .

That leaves us with Smalling, Rojo, Blind, Shaw, Darmian, Spider, Herrera, Martial, Depay and the youngsters (of which the only players who MIGHT make it are, imo, Rashford, FM and CBJ) .

Given that Rojo, Smalling and Blind are squad players at best and Darmian and Depay are massively under-performing - I worry for next season (more so If LVClown stays on) .

Even if we signed 5 world class players we'd still be miles off the likes of Barcelona and Bayern.

08 Apr 2016 15:55:53
Totally agree red seven.

08 Apr 2016 16:06:05
You all need to get back on the meds. Fresh, we are not all in agreement at all, the sheep mentality now reels off long lists of players who are not good enough and peo nod their heads. A different Manager would get far more out of the players we have, and no, I don't think it should be the arrogant one.

08 Apr 2016 16:28:11
Ajh
Come on pal, all players at other teams are great all ours are crap .

Leicester showed the way, bottom of the table this time last year, then sold all there crap players bought 11 superstars and look how good they have this season.

Also managers play no part, the only thing you need to do is buy the right players and you have a great team .
Have you not played fifa.

08 Apr 2016 16:50:18
Unfortunately most of our first team are squad players at best bar a few, I can't see anyone getting 'the best' out of Valencia, Rojo, Fellaini, Jones etc. they're just not good enough for a club like ours. Not every player has to be a so called superstar but the players don't seem to fit well into this team at all. Partly down to fear, no confidence, restriction and a lot to do with lack of ability.

08 Apr 2016 17:00:14
Just give Leicester a blank cheque for Kante and sit back and watch the points pile up!

08 Apr 2016 12:24:52
Talking with a couple everton fans this week and the general consensus was please take Barkley, Stones they are licking their lips to get rid as he is a risk taker and his head has been turned and would be over the moon to get a big money offer for Lukaku as its only a matter of time before he leaves. Amazing what the folk who watch their team every week see in players that other fans dont. Oh and with 1 being a former player would expect them to have more than just a commentators eye.
Think all 3 will move on but personally think we could spend the money more wisely, eg Kane, Varane/ Marquinos, and Kante to put some energy and drive into the midfield.

{Ed025's Note - the problem cooky is that because of stones and barkley being english they come with a premium, if i was united i would look elsewhere as i think they are both overrated, lukaku is an excellent CF though mate and with better service than he has been getting at everton could be prolific, that is of course if united will stump up the £50m+ that everton will wanmt..

08 Apr 2016 17:20:20
AJH - I wish I could agree with you - but our squad is poor. Players like Fellaini, Young, Jones and Valencia wouldn't make it into Barcelona's B-Team and yet are starting for us consistently when fit.

From a financial point of view we should be aiming to be the best team in the world but will never realise that aim with a squad of mediocre players.

Barcelona have Messi, Iniesta, Neymar, Suarez, Busquets and Pique.
Bayern have Lewandowski, Vidal, Costa, Mueller, Roben and Alaba.
Real have Ronaldo, Bale, Kroos, Ramos, Benzema and James.
We have Rooney, Martial, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Shaw and Smalling.

I don't think ANY of our players would improve Barca, Bayern or Real apart from DDG (who's on his way out) - and yet any one of the players listed above would walk into our team.

Our activity in the transfer market has been shocking for some time now and yet despite outspending pretty much every club in the world over recent seasons we are lightyears away from matching them on the pitch. Even teams like Atletico Madrid, Juve, Dortmund and PSG are out of reach and I shouldn't have to remind you that we will likely be 19 points behind Leicester by the end of the weekend.

A better manager might be able to get a little more out of the team but even with the right manager we'd still be some way off being the best team in England - let alone the world.

08 Apr 2016 17:50:09
Red
Barcelona and munich are head and shoulders above the rest .
Barce have MSM but they don't look great in midfield or at the back .

Real
Benz james kroos and ramos have all struggled this season, bale still has injury issues and ronaldo doesn't look the same . Still a very good team but underperforming .
Im a big fan of kroos and schniederlin, both have been poor this season tho .

08 Apr 2016 18:00:44
So have leicester really got a better squad of players than us?

We have bought some very good players that aren't playing well for various reasons .
Or all of a sudden have they become crap once they moved to united?
Should we try to get the best out of them or buy more players and hope these ones play well .

Vardy has been great this year, scored 5 goals last year should of been sold .

08 Apr 2016 18:25:21
Leicester have an identity, team ethic and players who know third role none of which we have. Who would get in the Leicester team from us. DDG, Shaw, Martial. Yet we would take Kante, Mahrez, Vardy, schmiechel prob, Drinkwater has been miles ahead of any of our MF, Huth and Morgan have been better than any pairing we've come up with. So yeah Leicester have a better team.

08 Apr 2016 18:45:29
Welsh
And this time last year how many of the liecester players would of got in our squad?

Have all there players suddenly become great and ours crap in 12 month .
Can you imagine if some one had said we should buy vardy or drinkwater 10 month ago .

Leicester have a better team but do they have better players?

If ranieri can do that with vardy (5goals last season ) drinkwater huth and co what could a good coach do with our squad.

And then all of a sudden all our crap players maybe wouldn't look quite as bad .

08 Apr 2016 18:51:50
Jred - Barcelona have Busquets and Iniesta in their midfield - two of the best midfielders around. Rakitic and Turan aren't half bad either. Their defense is definitely their weakest area - but Pique, Alves and Alba are all better than what we've got.

The only player you've listed at Real that has struggled is James. Benzema has actually looked better this season than he has in some time and the rest have been solid. Ronaldo might not be as good as he was but is still better than everyone bar MSN. As for Bale's injuries; his goals return is still very impressive considering how little he has played.

The point I was making is that the best teams have the best players and those players listed would walk into our current squad.

Leicester is a great example of how a manager can get the best out of average players. As good as they have been this season though - their place at the top of the league is as much down to the 'big' teams in the league being poor. That and Mahrez and Kante having great seasons.

Over the previous ten seasons the eventual champions have averaged 87.4 points. Even if they win their remaining 6 games they can't match that. They've taken 12 points from Chelski, Spurs, City and us this season already and will probably pick up another 2 when they play us and Chelski over the coming month. Realistically with the players available all 4 teams should be beating Leicester on both occasions.

If us, Chelski and City hadn't had managerial issues this season I suspect that would have been the case and Leicester would be sitting in 6th place at best now. Fair play to them though. They have certainly taken advantage of the situation and fully deserve to be where they are.

08 Apr 2016 19:36:57
Leicester are walking the league playing the best football and have not got the best players .
If they where mid table i don't think anyone would be raving about kante or mahrez, nobody was shouting to buy them in the summer but there playing in a winning team now .

Mata was a world beater until. we bought him and i'm sure di maria and bastion would of made your list of great players at other teams if we hadnt bought them .

I wonder how many of them other players you listed wouldn't look quite as good in this united team as they do for barcelona or munich?

Imo we have a better squad of players than the one we won the league with .
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So if raneiri can do that with the leicester squad what would a top manager do with this united squad .
And if we where playing well how many of our players would be great .

Imo fergys best league win was with that last squad, it was average imo but because it was winning people argued all the players where great. Clevs and welbeck where going to be worldclass
People just seem to want superstars big names, they think you can buy a player and he will play the same for united in a different set up as he did for barcelona .

08 Apr 2016 19:51:01
WRD - I reckon Smalling would push both centre backs for a spot. Schneiderlin and Herrera on form are better than Drinkwater. Mata, again, on form, would take a no 10 role in their team, but I don't think he fits their system. Even Darmian would give Simpson (is he still first choice right back? ) a damn good run for that spot. I reckon Ranieri would have these players playing a lot better than LvG at the moment.

08 Apr 2016 20:03:21
Celtic
How would the leicester players look under lvg.

{Ed007's Note - Horny?}

08 Apr 2016 20:06:51
I'm basing it on currently, Leicester have a better team and wether players are world class or not better ability than United's right now. Wether that's down to LVG, the formation or whatever right now it's prob half and half united players and Leicester players in a starting XI. If Rojo, Valencia, Jones and the other players I mentioned was in the Leicester squad they'd not be in the first team and that'sy point our first team isn't good enough in a season where Chelsea struggled, Liverpool are in rebuild, City have been average we still don't have a team good enough to even make top 4 so major upheaval needed. It's all well and good saying this and that player is better than Leicester's the league doesn't lie.

08 Apr 2016 20:19:55
Jred - Agree entirely that his last win was by far his best - but a better squad now than then? You must be having a laugh!

Carrick and Rooney were 3 years younger and had a lot more to offer. We also had Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, Evra, RVP and Ferdinand (some of them were on the decline but all are better than what we have now with the exception of perhaps Evra) . More importantly we had great squad depth compared to now. We had leaders and winners.

It was certainly the worst squad of players that SAF won with but I'd take that over what we have now every day of the week.

I agree that some have underperformed under LVG - but players like Basti (who is never fit) and Young, Fellaini and Valencia (who just aren't good enough) would still be poor under a different manager. Our squad would still be thin and we'd still be missing leaders and winners on the pitch.

08 Apr 2016 20:29:02
Welsh
Would hazard get in the leicester team on his form this season am not sure he would get in the villa team .

I wouldn't sell hazard tho, i think he is a top player .
Leicester have the best team in the league i don't think they have the best players tho .

But its all about opinions i honestly don't think this squad is as bad as many make out . Although as a team we are very average .
Is the answer to spend more cash? We have spent a large amount 300 mil in 2 year, has that worked?
And i don't think we have bought bad players either .
If depay, martial herrera mata schniederlin and bastion where all on form the team would imo look pretty good .
Not to mention the likes of shaw, darmian and even rojo .

If a manager could get us playing like a team and get our players playing well i think our squad would suddenly look a bit better .
I think we are massively under achiving with the players we have.

08 Apr 2016 20:53:02
Redseven
The back 4 was shot pal, evra vidic and ferdy where finished.
Evra got dogs abuse on this site
Carrick and rooney where playing cm clev and anderson tried hard .
Giggs also got abuse every time he played
Herrera schneiderlin bastion are a better option imo . People on here where going mad about our cm, at the time .
Up top rvp carried the team but welbeck, young, chica, nani?
Rvp was tops but the rest, i would take martial, depay (as bad as he has been ) linders rooney and mata, as better players even tho they are not playing well at the moment .

I think we could put out a stronger first 11 now on paper and last year add falcao, rvp and di maria it looks even better.
I would only take rvp out the fergy squad . But how would or did rvp do under lvg?
You could make an argument for rio and vidic but smalling and blind (surprisingly) have played well.
A lot of players aren't playing well, i don't think that means there bad players . Hazard to name 1 has been awful this year but he is a talented lad


But one team won the league by 11 points, si everyone was happy, one is 16 points behind leicester, so all our players are crap .

08 Apr 2016 21:04:08
More cash is going to have to happen, not necessarily £300m tho, aces in places is what we need, your right jred we've got great talent there but not getting played correctly, out of confidence, would Jose get those players galvanised, probably but I still think this squad is someway off, we need a good few experienced, top drawer heads thru our team with a sprinkling of youngsters which we have got and are linked too.

08 Apr 2016 22:15:17
Welsh
I would be be happy with 3 good players, as long as we can get the rest playing well.

09 Apr 2016 00:45:17
Jred - Of our current squad the only players that would have made it into that team are DDG (obviously he's better now than he was then), Shaw, Martial, Spider and maybe Smalling. I'd take Rafael over Darmian, Vidal over Blind, RVP over Lingard, Rooney of 3 years ago over present day Rooney, Carrick of 3 years ago over present day Carrick and Scholes over Herrera.

The rest of the squad is no contest. Players like Chico, Welbeck, Evans, Kagawa, Nani, Fletcher, Giggs and even Clevs were useful to have in the squad - especially with all the injuries we seem to get.

You can blame our poor playing style on the manager and that will obviously have an effect on the players in terms of confidence and getting the best out of them - but I don't think SAF could win with the current squad being as thin as it is (although given the money I think he'd have built a squad capable of winning everything) .

You can point out players like Falcao and ADM who LVG failed to get the best out of (although JM and GH have both since failed with Falcao) - but there were plenty that SAF failed to get the best from.

When we signed Smalling and Jones they were 2 of the best young prospects in the league and yet their development stalled under him. Kagawa signed for us having just been voted Best Bundesliga Player in the previous campaign and yet SAF couldn't get the best from him. Veron, Pique, Forlan. There were plenty.

In contrast - LVG does have some success stories. He got Young playing the best football I've seen of him since his Villa days last season and Smalling has come on leaps and bounds under LVG in the past 12 months. I don't personally (as I think it was entirely unintentional) - but many will point out him giving chances to youth players too. Rashford and Lingard have done well in LVG's side.

09 Apr 2016 01:31:23
Redseven
So ddg of now would be in your team
Shaw martial and spider .
Rafeal over darmian? Raf was always injured year after year and very rash, yellow card bad defender . What is raf doing now?
Darmian the italian first team player has been a good player for a few year .

Rvp over linders? Eh not the same position .
Rooney of 3 yer back over current one? i'm a rooney fan but fergys last year was rooneys worse in a united shirt.
You wouldn't have blind? i'm not sure how but he has been one of our best players this season .
The rest of your squad players got slated on here week after week .
Herrera ripped us apart home and away by the way .

Your point on rashford a co again points to this squad is quite strong .

And yes over 25 years fergy had some players that didn't work out but he had a lot more that did .


Do don't gove me "in contrast lvg has had some succes stories"

Or i will post what fergy won against lvg success.

09 Apr 2016 13:07:53
In Rooney's last season under SAF he had a massive run in with the manager meaning he didn't play much and was played a lot deeper than usual when he did play. Despite that he still managed 29 goals and assists (16/ 13) in 31 starts for us. He'd also just come off the back of what many would consider to be his best season for us (40 goals and assists in 43 starts) .

Comparatively; this season he's managed just 16 goals and assists in 32 starts. His first touch and fitness have degraded massively since the 12/ 13 season and as a result of that - many on here argue that he doesn't deserve his place in the side anymore. To go from arguably our best player (if not in the top 3) to outside the top 11 in what most would consider to be our worst squad of the EPL era suggests that he's nowhere near the player he was four years ago.

Even talking strictly in terms of him as an asset - a 27 year old is a lot more valuable and useful to us than somebody nearing 31!

Rafael is currently playing for Lyon and will more than likely be playing Champions League football next season. That's more than you can say for Darmian. He might be an international - but that's more down to the competition. There are no other notable Italian RBs whilst Rafael has been stuck behind Maicon and then Dani Alves for a spot in the Brazil team.

Rafael might have been a little rash but he was fantastic offensively. Darmian can't beat the first man. I'm not sure how you can blame that on LVG!

Would I take Blind over Vidic? Hell no. I wouldn't take him over Ferdinand (who was really struggling in his last season under SAF) . I wouldn't take him over John O'Shea.

Herrera is a good player - and as I said earlier - one of the few we have that are good enough. That said I'd sooner have a midfield with Scholes and Carrick (of 3 years ago) due to their experience and winning mentality. Maybe I'd take him over Spider - but either way only one of the two would make it into a first 11 made up of the 2 squads.

Ultimately, which squad was better and which players SAF and LVG did or did not get the best from are not the point. The discussion in this thread centres around whether or not our current squad is good enough to compete with the very best.

If you honestly believe that another manager could compete on all fronts (including in Europe) with this squad - then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don't think you'll find (m) any that will agree with you though!

09 Apr 2016 13:21:15
Redseven
As i said in the above, 3 decent players would be enough .
Imo the squad is far stronger than people like yourself make out .

Darmian for example is a better player than he has shown so far and raf was a yellow waiting to happen (when fit enough to play ) .

And the 3 players don't have to be superstar names who play for barce or madrid.

09 Apr 2016 13:26:37
I have maybe been a bit harsh to rafael, after all he has been fit enough to play 11 league games this season.

09 Apr 2016 13:56:16
I agree that Darmian is a lot better than this seasons performances make him out to be (with the exception of the first few games where he looked very good) - but I still preferred Rafael. Somewhat a moot point either way.

If we sign 3 players and only lose Carrick and DDG (which seems incredibly unlikely) we'll have about 20 first team players including the likes of Young, Fellaini, Jones, Rojo, Valencia and Basti (who I include on this list because his fitness issues make him something of a liability) .

One of your 3 signings will need to be a keeper (assuming you don't want to stick with Romero) - so you're effectively brining in 2 outfield players.

Do you honestly believe that those 2 signings are enough to make our first 11 capable of beating the likes of Barcelona or Bayern Munich? Then there's the fact that we seem to average about 7 injuries at any given time. Does our squad have the depth to cover 2 or 3 of those 11 and still beat them?

Could Valencia or Varela deal with MSN if Darmian got injured? Could Darmian deal with them if he wasn't? Does Depay offer enough protection to his fullback to protect them from Roben, Muller and Costa or have it in him to get past Lahm, Alaba, Boeteng and Co? I don't think so.

09 Apr 2016 14:20:35
Red
Im not sure our best united team with scholes and co could beat barcelona.
Vidic rio and co couldn't stop messi i'm not sure they would of stopped msm.

I don't think ddg will leave .
In darmian and shaw we have 2 good full backs .
Smalling seems to get a lot of stick but i think he has done ok, but i do think we need another cb.

In cm bastian, spieder and herrera should work but i would like to 1 more added .

Up top i would like to see linders given a chance, all things considered i think he has done well this season .
Depay has been awful, but he is a good player so next year with rooney mata, linders, martial depay and rashford we have good options .
I would like another striker but if depay and martial find form plus a new signing it has great potential imo then add linders, rooney and mata into the mix .

So for me 3 players a cb, cm and forward gives us a very good squad .

But MSM are something else i'm not sure you can buy a team to stop them .

09 Apr 2016 15:03:44
Bastian's injury record worries me too much to consider him a first choice option. Even when he is 'fit' he's unable to last 90 minutes. By the start of next season he'll be 32 and those problems will get worse. I agree that we need at least one more midfielder but for me they would be first choice (a holding player of sorts with Herrera and Spider playing in front) .

The issue then becomes what happens if one of those 3 gets injured for a sustained period? We have Fellaini, Blind, Mata (if he stays) and Bastian who can cover - is that good enough?

Defensively I'm inclined to agree when it comes to the fbs (assuming Darmian can return to the form he showed in the first few games) - but again - what happens if one of them is injured? CBJ has done a job when called upon (although so did TB lasts season - and where is he now? ), Blind and Rojo can play there (although Rojo always looks shaky on the left and Blind may be needed elsewhere) . On the right hand side we are worse. If you thought that Raf was a defensive liability I don't see how you can defend Varela at RB. Smalling and Jones can cover but with your system Smalling is needed in the middle and Jones is never fit. Valencia? Young? Are they Viable options at fullback?

I think that while Smalling has been decent this season a lot of that is down to the system we play and the cover that gives him. Let's agree to disagree that he is good enough to be a first teamer at Manchester United and say that we only sign 1 CB. Are Blind and Rojo good enough if both Smalling and our new CB get injured?

Let's say we sign another forward with Rooney, Martial, Rashford and a new Striker covering the position. I'd say we're well stocked there - but what about the wings? Martial and Depay for the LW isn't too bad but Lingard as the only option on the right? Ignoring the issue of whether or not he is good enough - what happens if he is injured?

Out of all of our players - which would you say would be a CLEAR upgrade for the likes of Chelski, City, Spurs and Arsenal?

Smalling, DDG, Shaw and Martial are the only 4 that would get near. All of the other teams around us have far better first 11s and much deeper squads.

You say that nobody can keep up with Barcelona and yet in the last 10 days Real beat them away and Atletico picked up a great result away (they probably would have got the draw had they not lost Torres) .

You might think that it's fine for us to be so far behind the best - but we are Manchester United. Up until very recently we'd been there or there abouts for 15-20 years.

09 Apr 2016 15:20:03
Red seven
Thats football all teams can be beat even the great barce.
You asked if darmian could stop msm well like u say athletic should of beat them with torres and luiz for example (neither good enough fir chelsea ) .

Which of our players would be a upgrade on the chelsea players? Where are chelsea in the league?

I don't think its fine we are behind the top teams like leicester barcelona and munich . I just don't think our players are as bad as you are making out.

09 Apr 2016 15:24:05
Should also say if bastian mata fellaini and blind plush the kids are our cm cover for spider herrera and someone like kante or if you want the superstar route vidal i would say that is very strong cm options.







 

 

 
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