02 Sep 2015 15:06:01
Shappy's post below was excellent. It doesn't necessarily make it any easier to watch us playing such dull football, or excuse some of the current tactics and decisions, but it does put it in perspective. Face it, there are only 3 remaining 1st XI players from SAF's last season, Rooney, de Gea and Carrick, and next year there may be none, with Carrick aging and Rooney playing as he is. It has been and remains a totally transformational process, and we should expect it to take time for it all to come together. Hopefully Martial and Depay can be the Robbens, Riberys and Ronaldo's of their generation, and if so we will be in for an exciting time.
Maybe the most important change of all is that we hired a European coach for the first time. For all SAF's accomplishments, his success in Europe was minimal considering the number of times we participated in the ECL. The tactics which were so dominant in England rarely lit up the European stage, where the game was becoming more technical, thanks in large part to coaches like Van Gaal. Could it be that the club has recognized this, and is deliberately rebuilding itself for the purposes of emphasizing success in Europe, as much as in England?
It seems like a number of Van Gaal's clubs have gone on to greater success after his departure. Could that be because of the bones and structure he left behind? The next manager will be extremely important. Assuming the right one is available/hired - someone who gets to revel in the glory of bringing trophies back to OT - LVG will reasonably claim to have been the architect of it. Maybe then (but not before, I imagine) even the Beast will tip his hat to the philosopher.
02 Sep 2015 15:21:10
Its exactly what moyes said that sir Alex told him that the club needed to evolve along the European route
Moyes was trying to inpliment the sane tactics as lvg.
Under lvg it will always remain the same as it is but as the quality of player gets better so will the team.
Playing the way you are requires a really good set of players, which is getting out together.
The next manager after lvg will have the most success bases on the foundations that have been laid.
02 Sep 2015 16:23:21
What exactly has he done? Woody has sold or released a load of players for next to nothing, (I presume sanctioned/instructed by LVG). Anybody could do that, we sold to anybody prepared to pay the wages. Yes we had a lot of deadwood, but so do most teams, they don't get rid of them all without bringing in enough cover.
Then we buy 3 or 4 quality players, 2 or 3 massive gambles that nobody knows how they will turn out and then a couple of complete duds.
Of the players he was praised for improving last season only Smalling seems to have a place in the team. I don't see any of our youth products featuring regularly, where are they? He will do everything he can do shoehorn players into different positions, one injury at the back and 4 players will switch position for the next game.
Fair enough, we can hope, but if anybody else was in charge we could say the same, in fact I am confident we would be seeing better football and the major holes in our first team will have been addressed by the war chest we are spending.
I appreciate we are trying to be optimistic here, but I don't see any progress on the pitch, more and more problems off it and more and more money being spent on "hopeful" acquisitions, not to mention the thread bare squad we now have to combat on all fronts.
Sorry but LVG is not doing a good job, it's just wishful thinking and that is all we have left. The excuses will start early October.
02 Sep 2015 16:53:53
shaw
you make a good point .
a number of managers have taken over from lvg and won major honours with the same players lvg had.
heynckes won the treble after lvg got sacked for coming 4th.
all he had to do was completly change the tactics , get the best out the players all the things a top manager does
02 Sep 2015 17:42:23
"The 4-2-3-1 formation brought the best out of many Bayern players [in his first season in charge] and gave their play a sense of identity, something that hadn't been seen in Munich for quite a while," he said.
"The season after, the formation became a dogma. He never diverted from it. Not when the opposition had worked out a way to deal with, not when specific games warranted it, nor when key players were injured. Instead, players were shuffled around inside the system and often ended up in very unfamiliar positions."
Dutch coach commenting on LVG in April last year.
I now agree for one.