28 May 2015 14:56:36
Why does it seem on this page that if certain opinions don't match more regular posters then it's wrong or disregarded. It's a banter site full of opinion no one opinion is more right than another, we need to get more on the same page as we all support United rather than defending our own points all the time.
On another point on behalf of us all of like to thank all the eds for there input, banter, work and insight during the past season and I wish you luck in the upcoming transfer window, I know I appreciate the knowledge and long may it continue.
{Ed001's Note - thank you, I will pass that on to Eds 007 and 025. Maybe even 004 if he is good. Maybe.}
28 May 2015 15:32:32
Top post and I would like to thank the eds for this top website.
28 May 2015 16:01:59
I consider myself a regular and I will agree or disagree with anyone, regular or not. Hopefully, reasonably politely but even if I disagree, all opinions are welcome.
28 May 2015 16:28:11
Some people take the mentality that they are debating with a fan of a rival club, that's the core problem. If you criticise something you automatically fall into the "enemy" category for some on here. The key to improvement is identifying weakness and improving it, too many people aren't willing to accept their ideals and common consensus is likely wrong, it happens in all walks of life.
It would be wrong to expect pundits to watch every game for every club, but some fans take what they say as verbatim. They will talk of Utds form and individuals form over the past few months having just watched a couple of games! Some fans think because a so called expert says it that this the gospel.
There are obviously well informed fans who fall on different sides of arguments and that normally makes for good debates, it's when the sheep get hold of something that everything goes tits up. Everything has to be black or white with those guys and that's when it all gets bitter - people basically in denial!
{Ed025's Note - great post that beast, i agree with every word mate..
28 May 2015 16:47:17
Pass our thanks onto ed002 aswell ed001 from all the people on here how value him/her opinon and not the bad vegetables how drove him/her away
28 May 2015 16:52:56
I have no problem with being disagreed with, that's kind of the whole point of a debate. Hopefully if you have a reasoned and respectful debate everyone can come away from it with a bit more knowledge. What I don't like is condescension and outright rudeness to others with a different opinion than you. A certain somebody is making this place a little toxic at the moment with this behaviour.
28 May 2015 17:05:34
Its GDS isn't it Rosie?
28 May 2015 17:14:48
Who are the 'sheep' beast? Someone who disagree's with u?
Sorry mate I don't think anyone is a sheep on here, everyone has an opinion like the u have said.
Some just don't always see the glass half empty all the time or think lvg is the problem of all problems.
Likewise some don't feel the need to constantly hammer home their personal agenda either.
Debates need to come back to this site and quick.
28 May 2015 17:20:04
I agree a second day in a row with you here AJH ha, yeah it's all in good fun wether we agree or not or at least it should be. Yes Rosie it's what I was saying that you've put more eloquently than me about the condescending tones. Top post that beast aswell.
Yes don't forget ed 002, maybe a bit of flattery from us all will bring her back, miss you Ed2 x
28 May 2015 17:45:29
Not a Rooney debate tho Chris ha
28 May 2015 18:29:38
Always gets the juices flowing WRD
28 May 2015 19:17:41
Chris - It varies dependent on topic. There are people with views that are very firmly in place, this isn't a bad thing of course, but there needs to be some flexibility and being able to see things from more than one perspective.
For example you highlight that I believe LVG is the problem of all problems, this is wrong. Lots of people ignore half of what I say and just jump on the LVG thing because its easy and if you disagree with a point I am making just bang the Beast hates LVG drum and my post just gets disregarded by many.
He is the key problem performance wise, but there are many other issues aside from LVG. Woodwards inexperience in the transfer market or our incompetence whoever is at fault, the failure of our youth system, the inability to bring potential top class players through to where they ought to be (Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Zaha, Januzaj the list goes on). The handover from SAF. Our inability to be ruthless with players reaching their sell by date (Massive problem which we are still ignoring). Young players made of glass.I am sure there are many other issues which have nothing significant to do with LVG.
LVG is building something that is fundamentally wrong in my eyes but I don't blame him for all that is wrong. He is just a guy with a plan and I think it stinks, the people backing him at the club and tolerating his nonsense are just as bad, but LVG is the figure head and ultimately the person taking us down this path to "boredomville".
A big problem is the fans allowing LVG to believe what he is doing is approved by us, he constantly says the fans back the way I play, he is attributing general support of stability to what we are seeing on the pitch, this is a horrible abuse almost a delusion.
He probably has some fantastic ideas and I have read from several posters (Red Man in particular I believe)that he is helping organise a hell of a lot behind the scenes, so he is not all bad. But we are not entertained by youth set-ups, diets, training, commercial contracts, etc etc, The reason we watch Man Utd is to be entertained and excited on match day, LVG seems like he couldn't care less about that.
We are all hoping we sign some very good players this summer, but whenever we announce something I will always be thinking we could be getting so much more from them with a different manager that has the attacking ethos I grew up loving. I just hope this summer he instils the attacking mind-set and system that we deserve to see for the players we possess.
28 May 2015 19:55:57
Beast, one of your better posts my friend. as you say the are some deep rooted issues still to be addressed.
28 May 2015 21:42:39
AJH,
That made me laugh pal, it could be me to be fair, although I haven't said I'm going on a break, changed my name and posted on every post for 2 days so I would guess it wasn't aimed at me.
Hope not anyway, love you rosie!
28 May 2015 21:55:12
beast
2 very good posts pal
29 May 2015 15:59:05
"Beast as you say the are some deep rooted issues", AJH
I think you're right AJH, my sisters a pyschatrist and for a small fee would help Beast deal with his issues.